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Eotech Or Acog?
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Re: Eotech Or Acog?
Why don't you do a search and see if you find the answer to what you are asking second your question has nothing to base a reason why we would say one or the other. What are you going to be doing with it? Just because you said its going on an AR doesn't meen anything. Give us something to base a reason off of then maybe you might get a good answer.
Why don't you do a search and see if you find the answer to what you are asking second your question has nothing to base a reason why we would say one or the other. What are you going to be doing with it? Just because you said its going on an AR doesn't meen anything. Give us something to base a reason off of then maybe you might get a good answer.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
For a rifle set up only for close range, i.e., contact distance to no more than 300m, I would go with the EOTECH because it would be faster for close quarters, is parallax free, and has unlimited eye relief.
For an all-around battle rifle to be used from any range, from CQB out to the edge of the rifle's effective range, I would go with the ACOG; it has a great ranging and BDC reticle that makes quick hits on unknown-distance targets really quick and simple, and can be used for close quarters too... with both eyes open, it acts as an unmagnified red dot.
For a rifle set up only for close range, i.e., contact distance to no more than 300m, I would go with the EOTECH because it would be faster for close quarters, is parallax free, and has unlimited eye relief.
For an all-around battle rifle to be used from any range, from CQB out to the edge of the rifle's effective range, I would go with the ACOG; it has a great ranging and BDC reticle that makes quick hits on unknown-distance targets really quick and simple, and can be used for close quarters too... with both eyes open, it acts as an unmagnified red dot.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
Acog’s are over rated, and over priced heavy fix powered scopes which will soon be obsolete by advances in variable power optics.
Acog’s are over rated, and over priced heavy fix powered scopes which will soon be obsolete by advances in variable power optics.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: henschman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For a rifle set up only for close range, i.e., contact distance to no more than 300m, I would go with the EOTECH because it would be faster for close quarters, is parallax free, and has unlimited eye relief.
For an all-around battle rifle to be used from any range, from CQB out to the edge of the rifle's effective range, I would go with the ACOG; it has a great ranging and BDC reticle that makes quick hits on unknown-distance targets really quick and simple, and can be used for close quarters too... with both eyes open, it acts as an unmagnified red dot.</div></div>
Thank you very much...this is exactly what I was looking for.
Not sure why people on here lately have been complete fucking assholes when only asking a simple question...if you have nothing to contribute to a thread then just keep your fucking mouth shut...nobody wants to hear or read for that matter your ridiculous comments trying to either down play someones questions or just plain being a fucking asshole for no reason.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: henschman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For a rifle set up only for close range, i.e., contact distance to no more than 300m, I would go with the EOTECH because it would be faster for close quarters, is parallax free, and has unlimited eye relief.
For an all-around battle rifle to be used from any range, from CQB out to the edge of the rifle's effective range, I would go with the ACOG; it has a great ranging and BDC reticle that makes quick hits on unknown-distance targets really quick and simple, and can be used for close quarters too... with both eyes open, it acts as an unmagnified red dot.</div></div>
Thank you very much...this is exactly what I was looking for.
Not sure why people on here lately have been complete fucking assholes when only asking a simple question...if you have nothing to contribute to a thread then just keep your fucking mouth shut...nobody wants to hear or read for that matter your ridiculous comments trying to either down play someones questions or just plain being a fucking asshole for no reason.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
Well IMO you have more choices than just thoes two optics.
I went with the Eotech but that takes nothing away from the Acog.
I got an awsome deal on the Eotech so I jumped on it but they are in two different classes.
I'd say the Eotech is more in a catagory with the aimpoint, reflex amd other nonmagnified CQB optics.
I'd put the Acog in with other fixed power optics like USO's SN-12 or ST-6.
I really like my eotech and here's why, I got the 557 with the BDC reticle compinsated out to 600yds. Then I put a vortex 3x magnifier behind it in a Larue FTS mount. This allows me to have a dedicated CQB optic with the option of added magnification for farther shots if I need it.
But their is nothing wrong with the Acog for mid to far shooting, indoors you probably won't like it as much, but the glass is excelent and they are extreamly durable.
It really depends on personal preferance and the specific things your rifle will be used for.
Also consider CQB scopes like the S&B short dot and USO SN-4, also for less money vortex & SS make high quality, low power QCB style scopes.
Well IMO you have more choices than just thoes two optics.
I went with the Eotech but that takes nothing away from the Acog.
I got an awsome deal on the Eotech so I jumped on it but they are in two different classes.
I'd say the Eotech is more in a catagory with the aimpoint, reflex amd other nonmagnified CQB optics.
I'd put the Acog in with other fixed power optics like USO's SN-12 or ST-6.
I really like my eotech and here's why, I got the 557 with the BDC reticle compinsated out to 600yds. Then I put a vortex 3x magnifier behind it in a Larue FTS mount. This allows me to have a dedicated CQB optic with the option of added magnification for farther shots if I need it.
But their is nothing wrong with the Acog for mid to far shooting, indoors you probably won't like it as much, but the glass is excelent and they are extreamly durable.
It really depends on personal preferance and the specific things your rifle will be used for.
Also consider CQB scopes like the S&B short dot and USO SN-4, also for less money vortex & SS make high quality, low power QCB style scopes.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
This rifle will mainly be used to fun/personal defense. I just ordered a lefty stag in 5.56 and wanted to put something worth while that I know will hold a zero. I have had bad luck with my other holographic type sites on the other AR and just wanted to make sure to get something that I know will be on when I need it to be. My ol lady will have this rifle at the house with her when I am on the road and she is there alone.
This rifle will mainly be used to fun/personal defense. I just ordered a lefty stag in 5.56 and wanted to put something worth while that I know will hold a zero. I have had bad luck with my other holographic type sites on the other AR and just wanted to make sure to get something that I know will be on when I need it to be. My ol lady will have this rifle at the house with her when I am on the road and she is there alone.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LFOD1776</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Elcan Specter DR.</div></div>
Just a bit outta my price range
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LFOD1776</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Elcan Specter DR.</div></div>
Just a bit outta my price range
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
A fixed power optic would not be the way I'd go for a home defense gun.
I'd look out for a good deal on an eotech if money is a concern. It seems from what I've seen you can pick up the eotech's at a cheaper price than an Aimpoint.
If money isn't a big deal then I'd go with a low power varible like the short dot.
Also Vortex and SS make low power variables that don't break the bank, I have tried neither but I'd be willing to give them a shot from what I've heard about the other scopes thoes companies are putting out I dout these are any different.
A fixed power optic would not be the way I'd go for a home defense gun.
I'd look out for a good deal on an eotech if money is a concern. It seems from what I've seen you can pick up the eotech's at a cheaper price than an Aimpoint.
If money isn't a big deal then I'd go with a low power varible like the short dot.
Also Vortex and SS make low power variables that don't break the bank, I have tried neither but I'd be willing to give them a shot from what I've heard about the other scopes thoes companies are putting out I dout these are any different.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This rifle will mainly be used to fun/personal defense. I just ordered a lefty stag in 5.56 and wanted to put something worth while that I know will hold a zero. I have had bad luck with my other holographic type sites on the other AR and just wanted to make sure to get something that I know will be on when I need it to be. My ol lady will have this rifle at the house with her when I am on the road and she is there alone. </div></div>
If that is what you want out of it then go with the Eotech. If I were you I would get the Aimpoint M4 due to the eight years of battery life. I leave mine on all the time and its always on when I need it. And I was not trying to be a fucking asshole I was just trying to help you out by knowing what we you were needing the optic for. Your first question should have been more specific.
I would personally go with a 1-4x optic like the burris XTR which is true 1x and would work great for everything from close range to far off shots out to 700 yards. I also like the Vortex 1-4x line and like already stated the Elcan is a great optic but not everyone has two grand to put into glass.
Hope this helps some.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This rifle will mainly be used to fun/personal defense. I just ordered a lefty stag in 5.56 and wanted to put something worth while that I know will hold a zero. I have had bad luck with my other holographic type sites on the other AR and just wanted to make sure to get something that I know will be on when I need it to be. My ol lady will have this rifle at the house with her when I am on the road and she is there alone. </div></div>
If that is what you want out of it then go with the Eotech. If I were you I would get the Aimpoint M4 due to the eight years of battery life. I leave mine on all the time and its always on when I need it. And I was not trying to be a fucking asshole I was just trying to help you out by knowing what we you were needing the optic for. Your first question should have been more specific.
I would personally go with a 1-4x optic like the burris XTR which is true 1x and would work great for everything from close range to far off shots out to 700 yards. I also like the Vortex 1-4x line and like already stated the Elcan is a great optic but not everyone has two grand to put into glass.
Hope this helps some.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
I checked the 1-4 Viper PST is running $499 and the Super Sniper 1-4 is running $799. Which is better IDK but I'd think both would be good options for your rifle.
I checked the 1-4 Viper PST is running $499 and the Super Sniper 1-4 is running $799. Which is better IDK but I'd think both would be good options for your rifle.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This rifle will mainly be used to fun/personal defense.</div></div>
A low-powered ACOG (I have 3x) is great for anything over 25 yds, but difficult to use under that. So it's useless for home defense. One overlooked non-magnified red dot is Vortex SPARC. I put one on my 5.56 A2 since April 2010, and purposely turned it on every range trip to test its battery life - whether I use that gun or not. It is still using the same battery, and has auto-shut off after 6 hours. For home defense and range fun - it can't be beat. Same as an Aimpoint at a fraction of price; $200 which includes low and high mount.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This rifle will mainly be used to fun/personal defense.</div></div>
A low-powered ACOG (I have 3x) is great for anything over 25 yds, but difficult to use under that. So it's useless for home defense. One overlooked non-magnified red dot is Vortex SPARC. I put one on my 5.56 A2 since April 2010, and purposely turned it on every range trip to test its battery life - whether I use that gun or not. It is still using the same battery, and has auto-shut off after 6 hours. For home defense and range fun - it can't be beat. Same as an Aimpoint at a fraction of price; $200 which includes low and high mount.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
Here and it is cheaper than an ACOG
http://swfa.com/Burris-1-4x24-Xtreme-Tactical-XTR-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P45511.aspx
Here and it is cheaper than an ACOG
http://swfa.com/Burris-1-4x24-Xtreme-Tactical-XTR-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P45511.aspx
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here and it is cheaper than an ACOG
http://swfa.com/Burris-1-4x24-Xtreme-Tactical-XTR-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P45511.aspx </div></div>
What do you need the red dot ontop a 1-4 for, you already have a scope that goes down to 1x why have that too.
I see that as wasted funds that could have been spent else where and added weight.
I'd get the 1-4 viper if it was me or I'd get exactally what I have now, my eotech w/ a 3x mag, both are inexpensive and both are dual role optics set up that way.
Now put that red dot ontop a 3-9 or something with some more power where it's needed and then were taking.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here and it is cheaper than an ACOG
http://swfa.com/Burris-1-4x24-Xtreme-Tactical-XTR-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P45511.aspx </div></div>
What do you need the red dot ontop a 1-4 for, you already have a scope that goes down to 1x why have that too.
I see that as wasted funds that could have been spent else where and added weight.
I'd get the 1-4 viper if it was me or I'd get exactally what I have now, my eotech w/ a 3x mag, both are inexpensive and both are dual role optics set up that way.
Now put that red dot ontop a 3-9 or something with some more power where it's needed and then were taking.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
Yea the idea of maybe a 1x or 2x would be kinda nice...would give me the option of shooting out at a decent distance but still ok at close up. Honestly if she ever had to grab it and use it i seriously doubt she would be looking down the site any ways HAHAHA
Yea the idea of maybe a 1x or 2x would be kinda nice...would give me the option of shooting out at a decent distance but still ok at close up. Honestly if she ever had to grab it and use it i seriously doubt she would be looking down the site any ways HAHAHA
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
A number of my friends are using the Nightforce 1-4X24 NXS on their AR's. They don't cost much more than the ACOG's. I own 4 ACOG's and if I had to do it over I'd go the Nighforce 1-4x24 NXS route.
A number of my friends are using the Nightforce 1-4X24 NXS on their AR's. They don't cost much more than the ACOG's. I own 4 ACOG's and if I had to do it over I'd go the Nighforce 1-4x24 NXS route.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
I like the eotech for anything out to 300. I have a magnifier that makes it usable out further. Unmagnified, it is much quicker to target, my .02
Dave
I like the eotech for anything out to 300. I have a magnifier that makes it usable out further. Unmagnified, it is much quicker to target, my .02
Dave
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here and it is cheaper than an ACOG
http://swfa.com/Burris-1-4x24-Xtreme-Tactical-XTR-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P45511.aspx </div></div>
What do you need the red dot ontop a 1-4 for, you already have a scope that goes down to 1x why have that too.
I see that as wasted funds that could have been spent else where and added weight.
I'd get the 1-4 viper if it was me or I'd get exactally what I have now, my eotech w/ a 3x mag, both are inexpensive and both are dual role optics set up that way.
Now put that red dot ontop a 3-9 or something with some more power where it's needed and then were taking. </div></div>
I agree, there is a kit without the red dot also. I must have linked the other one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here and it is cheaper than an ACOG
http://swfa.com/Burris-1-4x24-Xtreme-Tactical-XTR-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P45511.aspx </div></div>
What do you need the red dot ontop a 1-4 for, you already have a scope that goes down to 1x why have that too.
I see that as wasted funds that could have been spent else where and added weight.
I'd get the 1-4 viper if it was me or I'd get exactally what I have now, my eotech w/ a 3x mag, both are inexpensive and both are dual role optics set up that way.
Now put that red dot ontop a 3-9 or something with some more power where it's needed and then were taking. </div></div>
I agree, there is a kit without the red dot also. I must have linked the other one.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
Kinda leaning toward this guy the Eotech 557...I like the idea of the BDC but also good up close...not to pricey either.
Eotech 557 w/BDC
Kinda leaning toward this guy the Eotech 557...I like the idea of the BDC but also good up close...not to pricey either.
Eotech 557 w/BDC
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
http://www.skdtac.com/Aimpoint_PRO_Patrol_Rifle_Optic_p/aim.310.htm
Aimpoint with a mount for 400 is pretty hard to beat. For what you are looking for can't really beat that. Price is good, batteries last 5 times as long as EOtech and it already has a good enough mount.
http://www.skdtac.com/Aimpoint_PRO_Patrol_Rifle_Optic_p/aim.310.htm
Aimpoint with a mount for 400 is pretty hard to beat. For what you are looking for can't really beat that. Price is good, batteries last 5 times as long as EOtech and it already has a good enough mount.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kinda leaning toward this guy the Eotech 557...I like the idea of the BDC but also good up close...not to pricey either.
Eotech 557 w/BDC
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I ran this system for a while then switched to the XTR 1-4x I like the reticle on the 1-4x scopes out there more than the dots.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kinda leaning toward this guy the Eotech 557...I like the idea of the BDC but also good up close...not to pricey either.
Eotech 557 w/BDC
</div></div>
I ran this system for a while then switched to the XTR 1-4x I like the reticle on the 1-4x scopes out there more than the dots.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is that a laser I see on the side of that Aimpoint? </div></div>
No it holds the battery there. One AA, every six-eight years
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is that a laser I see on the side of that Aimpoint? </div></div>
No it holds the battery there. One AA, every six-eight years
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
apple to orange...
the two are in no way camparable.....
do you want magnification or not? thats the only question...
bench
apple to orange...
the two are in no way camparable.....
do you want magnification or not? thats the only question...
bench
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Not sure why people on here lately have been complete fucking assholes when only asking a simple question...if you have nothing to contribute to a thread then just keep your fucking mouth shut...nobody wants to hear or read for that matter your ridiculous comments trying to either down play someones questions or just plain being a fucking asshole for no reason.
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Why you ask? How about your OP:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which do you think is a better way to go for an AR platform?</div></div>
If you're going to ask a question with <span style="font-style: italic">absolutely no information</span> on your setup, application, experience, caliber, budget or anything for that matter, and top it off with no evidence of you doing any prior research yourself you're going to get either:
A) Information that will be wrong or worthless to you.
or
B) People that treat you with the same consideration you gave them.
Then when you get what you deserve, you get all pissed off. Grow some thicker skin or do the following:
If you're going to ask a question, give some context and details. We're not mind readers here and asking a question like you did in your OP is worthless.
By the way, neither. Get an Aimpoint along with iron sights as backups. Anything for home defense should be as simple and reliable as possible, and on an AR it doesn't get any better than that. Like a pump action shotgun (even better idea for HD).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Not sure why people on here lately have been complete fucking assholes when only asking a simple question...if you have nothing to contribute to a thread then just keep your fucking mouth shut...nobody wants to hear or read for that matter your ridiculous comments trying to either down play someones questions or just plain being a fucking asshole for no reason.
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Why you ask? How about your OP:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which do you think is a better way to go for an AR platform?</div></div>
If you're going to ask a question with <span style="font-style: italic">absolutely no information</span> on your setup, application, experience, caliber, budget or anything for that matter, and top it off with no evidence of you doing any prior research yourself you're going to get either:
A) Information that will be wrong or worthless to you.
or
B) People that treat you with the same consideration you gave them.
Then when you get what you deserve, you get all pissed off. Grow some thicker skin or do the following:
If you're going to ask a question, give some context and details. We're not mind readers here and asking a question like you did in your OP is worthless.
By the way, neither. Get an Aimpoint along with iron sights as backups. Anything for home defense should be as simple and reliable as possible, and on an AR it doesn't get any better than that. Like a pump action shotgun (even better idea for HD).
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ACOG with it's preset stadia lines/ranges is a $1400 plus optic that is ballistically calibrated for one round - the M855 w/ 14.5". A little overspecialized for my purposes, even though I understand it's a combat optic and some 5.56 rounds have similar ballistic profiles.
To me if you don't want magnification, it's Eotech v. Aimpoint. I thought initially (mainly due to slick marketing) the Eotech's heads up display and circular reticle was the way to go. I bought in to the marketing. Then I got issued the Aimpoint (M68 CCO) and realized my brain could process a single red dot on a target better. I prefer it personally.
ACOG with it's preset stadia lines/ranges is a $1400 plus optic that is ballistically calibrated for one round - the M855 w/ 14.5". A little overspecialized for my purposes, even though I understand it's a combat optic and some 5.56 rounds have similar ballistic profiles.
To me if you don't want magnification, it's Eotech v. Aimpoint. I thought initially (mainly due to slick marketing) the Eotech's heads up display and circular reticle was the way to go. I bought in to the marketing. Then I got issued the Aimpoint (M68 CCO) and realized my brain could process a single red dot on a target better. I prefer it personally.
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Why is it that so many use the term "ACOG" as though it applies to one thing. I personally liked the Eotechs, but hated the package and reliability (or lack thereof); so I went with a TA44S ACOG. It is a 1.5X, so there's just a bit of magnification, it has an Eotech like reticle, is smaller, lighter, tougher and has a really forgiving eye relief. Believe me, eye relief is not an issue with this scope.
If you are still considering options, at least check out the TA44. I've been running one for a little while now and don't miss the red dots at all.
Why is it that so many use the term "ACOG" as though it applies to one thing. I personally liked the Eotechs, but hated the package and reliability (or lack thereof); so I went with a TA44S ACOG. It is a 1.5X, so there's just a bit of magnification, it has an Eotech like reticle, is smaller, lighter, tougher and has a really forgiving eye relief. Believe me, eye relief is not an issue with this scope.
If you are still considering options, at least check out the TA44. I've been running one for a little while now and don't miss the red dots at all.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TonyAngel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is it that so many use the term "ACOG" as though it applies to one thing. I personally liked the Eotechs, but hated the package and reliability (or lack thereof); so I went with a TA44S ACOG. It is a 1.5X, so there's just a bit of magnification, it has an Eotech like reticle, is smaller, lighter, tougher and has a really forgiving eye relief. Believe me, eye relief is not an issue with this scope.
If you are still considering options, at least check out the TA44. I've been running one for a little while now and don't miss the red dots at all.</div></div>
How do you like the 1.5x? Does it bother you in CQB?
As to OP if used mainly for home defense i would say EOtech or aimpoint. If you plan to use it for other things acog all the way. I'm thoroughly impressed with my friends acog, we put up a cup of water ranged at 306" yards. Were using a RRA 16" carbine shooting DRS remanufactured 55gr soft points. I guess they're shooting around the same velocity as the M855. Because i swear to you i had the hash mark dead on 3 and compensated about 1/2 an inch for wind and it hit dead center of the cup of water at 300yds. I'm overly impressed with that little optic. Clear as hell, fun to shoot, reliable, and the tritium acts as a red dot in low light situations.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TonyAngel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is it that so many use the term "ACOG" as though it applies to one thing. I personally liked the Eotechs, but hated the package and reliability (or lack thereof); so I went with a TA44S ACOG. It is a 1.5X, so there's just a bit of magnification, it has an Eotech like reticle, is smaller, lighter, tougher and has a really forgiving eye relief. Believe me, eye relief is not an issue with this scope.
If you are still considering options, at least check out the TA44. I've been running one for a little while now and don't miss the red dots at all.</div></div>
How do you like the 1.5x? Does it bother you in CQB?
As to OP if used mainly for home defense i would say EOtech or aimpoint. If you plan to use it for other things acog all the way. I'm thoroughly impressed with my friends acog, we put up a cup of water ranged at 306" yards. Were using a RRA 16" carbine shooting DRS remanufactured 55gr soft points. I guess they're shooting around the same velocity as the M855. Because i swear to you i had the hash mark dead on 3 and compensated about 1/2 an inch for wind and it hit dead center of the cup of water at 300yds. I'm overly impressed with that little optic. Clear as hell, fun to shoot, reliable, and the tritium acts as a red dot in low light situations.
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I will sell you my EOTech 557.3XFTS combo.
There are more things I don't like about it than what I do.
I will tell you my biggest turn offs are the ON/OFF, brightness controls, and auto shut off features.
I like the idea of leaving an Aimpoint on for 8 years rather than picking up my gun when I need it most and having to spend 10 seconds or so getting the thing turned on and adjusted for brightness..
After having an EOTech for a few years now I'm having second thoughts of trusting my life to one.
I will sell you my EOTech 557.3XFTS combo.
There are more things I don't like about it than what I do.
I will tell you my biggest turn offs are the ON/OFF, brightness controls, and auto shut off features.
I like the idea of leaving an Aimpoint on for 8 years rather than picking up my gun when I need it most and having to spend 10 seconds or so getting the thing turned on and adjusted for brightness..
After having an EOTech for a few years now I'm having second thoughts of trusting my life to one.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
size? when compared to what else is avail now from Eo and Aimpoint and others.....
Flexibility - the Triji Accupoints with the Triangles work very nicely and have variable power. And 24/7 optic rather than batt. dependent
Astigmatism ? if so, you are not going to like the EO unless you like starbursts.
I like having something that is very easy to use indoors, and can zoom if needed to help with ident and/or longer shots to 200yrd or less with the 556
size? when compared to what else is avail now from Eo and Aimpoint and others.....
Flexibility - the Triji Accupoints with the Triangles work very nicely and have variable power. And 24/7 optic rather than batt. dependent
Astigmatism ? if so, you are not going to like the EO unless you like starbursts.
I like having something that is very easy to use indoors, and can zoom if needed to help with ident and/or longer shots to 200yrd or less with the 556
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which do you think is a better way to go for an AR platform? </div></div> are you close to cape girardeau? I have a ta 31f on a colt 6940 and a strikefire on a home build 16 inch carbine I would let you try them both if it would help
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which do you think is a better way to go for an AR platform? </div></div> are you close to cape girardeau? I have a ta 31f on a colt 6940 and a strikefire on a home build 16 inch carbine I would let you try them both if it would help
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
Home Defense = A GOOD LIGHT.
Homeowners have to identify targets before shooting.
Lighting up a drunk neighbor trying to get his housekey in your door is a bad thing.
I run Iron sights (tritium) and a good light at night.
For inside the house, Eotechs are very good.
For a general duty AR, a good light, a low powered scope, and irons back up sights would be fine.
I am looking at these: http://www.dueckdefense.com/
BMT
Home Defense = A GOOD LIGHT.
Homeowners have to identify targets before shooting.
Lighting up a drunk neighbor trying to get his housekey in your door is a bad thing.
I run Iron sights (tritium) and a good light at night.
For inside the house, Eotechs are very good.
For a general duty AR, a good light, a low powered scope, and irons back up sights would be fine.
I am looking at these: http://www.dueckdefense.com/
BMT
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This rifle will mainly be used to fun/personal defense. I just ordered a lefty stag in 5.56 and wanted to put something worth while that I know will hold a zero. I have had bad luck with my other holographic type sites on the other AR and just wanted to make sure to get something that I know will be on when I need it to be. My ol lady will have this rifle at the house with her when I am on the road and she is there alone. </div></div>
That being the case, I would recommend the Aimpoint Patrol Rifle Optic or one of the LaRue package deals, More for your money, IMO.
COnsidering that you plan on leaving the weapon w/ your wife, perhaps a simpler red dot would be much easier to pick up. Also consider that the battery life is around 5-7 years if left on as well.
If it matters, I have extensive experience w/ the Aimpoint, with a bit of that not confined to shooting paper.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This rifle will mainly be used to fun/personal defense. I just ordered a lefty stag in 5.56 and wanted to put something worth while that I know will hold a zero. I have had bad luck with my other holographic type sites on the other AR and just wanted to make sure to get something that I know will be on when I need it to be. My ol lady will have this rifle at the house with her when I am on the road and she is there alone. </div></div>
That being the case, I would recommend the Aimpoint Patrol Rifle Optic or one of the LaRue package deals, More for your money, IMO.
COnsidering that you plan on leaving the weapon w/ your wife, perhaps a simpler red dot would be much easier to pick up. Also consider that the battery life is around 5-7 years if left on as well.
If it matters, I have extensive experience w/ the Aimpoint, with a bit of that not confined to shooting paper.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jwb47</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which do you think is a better way to go for an AR platform? </div></div> are you close to cape girardeau? I have a ta 31f on a colt 6940 and a strikefire on a home build 16 inch carbine I would let you try them both if it would help</div></div>
Yea I live in Malden, about an hour south.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jwb47</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which do you think is a better way to go for an AR platform? </div></div> are you close to cape girardeau? I have a ta 31f on a colt 6940 and a strikefire on a home build 16 inch carbine I would let you try them both if it would help</div></div>
Yea I live in Malden, about an hour south.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bmt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am looking at these: http://www.dueckdefense.com/
BMT</div></div>
This setup would be really nice. The idea of an optic and a iron sight would be the best setup...never have to completely rely on batteries. With that being said...I guess I could run just about any eotech like optic and have a set of flip up sights that lined up with the window of my optic and could simply look through it...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bmt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am looking at these: http://www.dueckdefense.com/
BMT</div></div>
This setup would be really nice. The idea of an optic and a iron sight would be the best setup...never have to completely rely on batteries. With that being said...I guess I could run just about any eotech like optic and have a set of flip up sights that lined up with the window of my optic and could simply look through it...
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My ol lady will have this rifle at the house with her when I am on the road and she is there alone. </div></div>
That alone tells me you need to get an Aimpoint. The benefit of leaving it on, adjusted for dark in the house brightness, all the time makes the Aimpoint my go to HD optic. No buttons, no knobs, no nada. Put the dot on the bad guy and pull the trigger.
I prefer others for other applications, but there's something about that dot always being there that makes it my choice for that application.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My ol lady will have this rifle at the house with her when I am on the road and she is there alone. </div></div>
That alone tells me you need to get an Aimpoint. The benefit of leaving it on, adjusted for dark in the house brightness, all the time makes the Aimpoint my go to HD optic. No buttons, no knobs, no nada. Put the dot on the bad guy and pull the trigger.
I prefer others for other applications, but there's something about that dot always being there that makes it my choice for that application.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My ol lady will have this rifle at the house with her when I am on the road and she is there alone. </div></div>
That alone tells me you need to get an Aimpoint. The benefit of leaving it on, adjusted for dark in the house brightness, all the time makes the Aimpoint my go to HD optic. No buttons, no knobs, no nada. Put the dot on the bad guy and pull the trigger.
I prefer others for other applications, but there's something about that dot always being there that makes it my choice for that application.</div></div>
I am so indecisive! I have gone over in my head back and worth between the eotech and aimpoint...I have to say the the idea of just leaving it on and her having the ability to just pick it and shoot...accurately...is very reassuring.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My ol lady will have this rifle at the house with her when I am on the road and she is there alone. </div></div>
That alone tells me you need to get an Aimpoint. The benefit of leaving it on, adjusted for dark in the house brightness, all the time makes the Aimpoint my go to HD optic. No buttons, no knobs, no nada. Put the dot on the bad guy and pull the trigger.
I prefer others for other applications, but there's something about that dot always being there that makes it my choice for that application.</div></div>
I am so indecisive! I have gone over in my head back and worth between the eotech and aimpoint...I have to say the the idea of just leaving it on and her having the ability to just pick it and shoot...accurately...is very reassuring.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
one other thing that I have been curious about that I just cant seem to find...is there a way to run the 3x magnifier on a hinge type mount that i could flip out of the way either to the left or right side of the gun so I could just use it when I wanted and not have to take it off completely?
one other thing that I have been curious about that I just cant seem to find...is there a way to run the 3x magnifier on a hinge type mount that i could flip out of the way either to the left or right side of the gun so I could just use it when I wanted and not have to take it off completely?
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">one other thing that I have been curious about that I just cant seem to find...is there a way to run the 3x magnifier on a hinge type mount that i could flip out of the way either to the left or right side of the gun so I could just use it when I wanted and not have to take it off completely? </div></div>
Again if you did some research on your own all this is so easy to find answeres to. Just look up any eotech/aimpoint magnifier mounts and it will show it has a FTS mount option (FLIP TO SIDE) Like I stated all this is easy as can be to find answeres to if you are willing to find the time to look for yourself.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body">one other thing that I have been curious about that I just cant seem to find...is there a way to run the 3x magnifier on a hinge type mount that i could flip out of the way either to the left or right side of the gun so I could just use it when I wanted and not have to take it off completely? </div></div>
Again if you did some research on your own all this is so easy to find answeres to. Just look up any eotech/aimpoint magnifier mounts and it will show it has a FTS mount option (FLIP TO SIDE) Like I stated all this is easy as can be to find answeres to if you are willing to find the time to look for yourself.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
Since you can't find anything yourself.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=samson+aimpoint+mount&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-
SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7TSHB_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=10607751800301347003&sa=X&ei=3b9vTde_EsGatwedkbiKDw&ved=0CCgQ8wIwAw#
http://www.cabelas.com/product/EOTe...s&Ntt=eotech&WTz_l=Header;Search-All+Products
Since you can't find anything yourself.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=samson+aimpoint+mount&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-
SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7TSHB_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=10607751800301347003&sa=X&ei=3b9vTde_EsGatwedkbiKDw&ved=0CCgQ8wIwAw#
http://www.cabelas.com/product/EOTe...s&Ntt=eotech&WTz_l=Header;Search-All+Products
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: henschman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For a rifle set up only for close range, i.e., contact distance to no more than 300m, I would go with the EOTECH because it would be faster for close quarters, is parallax free, and has unlimited eye relief.
For an all-around battle rifle to be used from any range, from CQB out to the edge of the rifle's effective range, I would go with the ACOG; it has a great ranging and BDC reticle that makes quick hits on unknown-distance targets really quick and simple, and can be used for close quarters too... with both eyes open, it acts as an unmagnified red dot.</div></div>
Thank you very much...this is exactly what I was looking for.
Not sure why people on here lately have been complete fucking assholes when only asking a simple question...if you have nothing to contribute to a thread then just keep your fucking mouth shut...nobody wants to hear or read for that matter your ridiculous comments trying to either down play someones questions or just plain being a fucking asshole for no reason.
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#1) Excellent response by Henschman.....i use both ACOG and EOTech and they both serve their purpose. I use an EOTech 553 on one of my M4s for close quarter and out to 300 yards. My LMT MRP Defender 2000 is set up with a TA31RCOM4 ACOG for extended range (out to 600 yards or so). The EOTech is perfect for quick target acquisition and response time because of its non-magnified holographic sight......the ACOG, because it is 4x is much better suited for reaching out a little ways. Either one can be very effectively used both eyes open which does not sacrifice your much needed peripheral vision, which is absolutely vital in close quarters. You make the call Tango.....but either one will serve you very well.
#2) its a beautiful world......unfortunately its full of some very ugly people.....and assholes. Pay them no mind.....they arent worth the time or energy. Hope the info helps. BTW.....it was a good question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tango0202</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: henschman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For a rifle set up only for close range, i.e., contact distance to no more than 300m, I would go with the EOTECH because it would be faster for close quarters, is parallax free, and has unlimited eye relief.
For an all-around battle rifle to be used from any range, from CQB out to the edge of the rifle's effective range, I would go with the ACOG; it has a great ranging and BDC reticle that makes quick hits on unknown-distance targets really quick and simple, and can be used for close quarters too... with both eyes open, it acts as an unmagnified red dot.</div></div>
Thank you very much...this is exactly what I was looking for.
Not sure why people on here lately have been complete fucking assholes when only asking a simple question...if you have nothing to contribute to a thread then just keep your fucking mouth shut...nobody wants to hear or read for that matter your ridiculous comments trying to either down play someones questions or just plain being a fucking asshole for no reason.
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#1) Excellent response by Henschman.....i use both ACOG and EOTech and they both serve their purpose. I use an EOTech 553 on one of my M4s for close quarter and out to 300 yards. My LMT MRP Defender 2000 is set up with a TA31RCOM4 ACOG for extended range (out to 600 yards or so). The EOTech is perfect for quick target acquisition and response time because of its non-magnified holographic sight......the ACOG, because it is 4x is much better suited for reaching out a little ways. Either one can be very effectively used both eyes open which does not sacrifice your much needed peripheral vision, which is absolutely vital in close quarters. You make the call Tango.....but either one will serve you very well.
#2) its a beautiful world......unfortunately its full of some very ugly people.....and assholes. Pay them no mind.....they arent worth the time or energy. Hope the info helps. BTW.....it was a good question.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
buy 1 of @ and make up your own mind--they are both great sights
---then u will be the expert
buy 1 of @ and make up your own mind--they are both great sights
---then u will be the expert
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Acog’s are over rated, and over priced heavy fix powered scopes which will soon be obsolete by advances in variable power optics. </div></div>
Agreed. No offense to ACOG guys though. Just through experiance Ive grown to dislike em. I had an issued ACOG fog on me after a heavy rain storm. Trijicon got a nasty letter about that one haha...had an EOTech 552 go swimming in a river, crushed in a MaxxPro ramp, shut in a door etc, still works great, amazing zero retention. Its been on everyting from my M4 to my MK. 48, I love it, I guess its just my cup o' tea.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Acog’s are over rated, and over priced heavy fix powered scopes which will soon be obsolete by advances in variable power optics. </div></div>
Agreed. No offense to ACOG guys though. Just through experiance Ive grown to dislike em. I had an issued ACOG fog on me after a heavy rain storm. Trijicon got a nasty letter about that one haha...had an EOTech 552 go swimming in a river, crushed in a MaxxPro ramp, shut in a door etc, still works great, amazing zero retention. Its been on everyting from my M4 to my MK. 48, I love it, I guess its just my cup o' tea.
Re: Eotech Or Acog?
both are fine optics. I personally prefer the eotech because the window is larger, and the eye relief is "unlimited" or at least pretty big, where the acog is more restricted. I like that you dont have to get right behind the eotech to be able to use it.
a friend of mine has the model you link'd to. to me it just seems a bit busy and somewhat distracting with all of the dots. i've had no issue going to 200 with the single dot and no magnifier. if your number 1 concern is home defense, i'd pick this one: http://www.botachtactical.com/eoxpho.html
but thats just me and YMMV. If you have a chance, I recommend seeing if anyone in your area will let you shoot their eotech or acog and see which one you like best.
both are fine optics. I personally prefer the eotech because the window is larger, and the eye relief is "unlimited" or at least pretty big, where the acog is more restricted. I like that you dont have to get right behind the eotech to be able to use it.
a friend of mine has the model you link'd to. to me it just seems a bit busy and somewhat distracting with all of the dots. i've had no issue going to 200 with the single dot and no magnifier. if your number 1 concern is home defense, i'd pick this one: http://www.botachtactical.com/eoxpho.html
but thats just me and YMMV. If you have a chance, I recommend seeing if anyone in your area will let you shoot their eotech or acog and see which one you like best.
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