Epstein - anyone else think....

[The King]

Epstein guards to skirt jail time in deal with prosecutors

The two Bureau of Prisons workers tasked with guarding Jeffrey Epstein the night he killed himself in a New York jail have admitted they falsified records, but they will skirt any time behind bars under a deal with federal prosecutors.

apnews.com

Who here thinks that you could hang yourself so silently that someone 15ft away wouldn't hear you?

2 tall people away. At the front bumper of the car while you are at the rear.

I think I could piss on a fire from 15ft away successfully.

I KNOW when I fart it stinks 15 feet away.

 

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Those guards were complicit in covering up a child rape ring....fuck community service and toss those fuckers In a Wood chipper

 

[chevy_man]

I could only get 14' in the last pissing contest.

So 15' seems pretty far away.

 

[Mater2009]

What would happen if they were white? Asking for a friend.

 

[diverdon]

Those guards were complicit in covering up a child rape ring....fuck community service and toss those fuckers In a Wood chipper

Fer the kinda money Bill Gates can pay and the credible threat of death Bill Clinton can offer you and I probably would be too.

 

[zeroz]

I'd do a lot for loot or real threat of death to family but covering up child rape aint one of them. Its one of those things that just absolutely makes me boil. About the worst thing you can do is fuck with kids. Its why some of those elitist fucks get off on it. They just giggle that they can get away with the sickest shit. Fuck those guys with a goddamn chainsaw if they played part.

Some of the Indian tribes used to cut off the dicks of their enemies and shove them in their mouths. They did it to prevent their adversaries from being able to rape their women in the afterlife. I don't know about all that but I think bleeding to death with your hands tied behind you back and your dick in your mouth is a fitting way for a child rapist to go.

 

[clcustom1911]

So, they didn't check on him, slept,, surfed the interwebss, falsified records, the CCTV equipment was malfunctioning, allowed him to die in some way...

And they get a deferred prosecution (no actual charges filed) and once the community service is done, it'll probably be expunged from their records after a certain number of years....


This adds fuel to the fire that Epstein didn't kill himself.

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

They should have waterboarded that fucken rock spider.
Got all the info he had, then popped his hyoid.

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

So, they didn't check on him, slept,, surfed the interwebss, falsified records, the CCTV equipment was malfunctioning, allowed him to die in some way...

And they get a deferred prosecution (no actual charges filed) and once the community service is done, it'll probably be expunged from their records after a certain number of years....


This adds fuel to the fire that Epstein didn't kill himself.

And they also received a good sized chunk of money for shutting the fuck up.

Ok, speculation, but I'd like to see how their lives have changed in six months.

 

[BullGear]

Come on man.... he died of natural causes. Naturally, the Clintons had him killed.

 

[DIBBS]

Is he really dead? With that kind of garbage/power/video of so many pukes you have to wonder.

What is the status of his confidant Ghislaine Maxwell?

These sick fucks will have their day of reckoning... hopefully much sooner rather than later.

 

[Steel head]

Smells fishy
Smells of Hillary!

 

[W54/XM-388]

These sick fucks will have their day of reckoning... hopefully much sooner rather than later.

Don't count on it anytime soon until there is a definitive battle between good and evil.
The servants of The Illuminated One control most of the world.
For millennia, those that worship the Illuminated one have sacrificed children and used them for various rituals, it's not going to change.

All the children that are being smuggled across the border without their parents recently... Who is keeping count if many of them are never heard from again after being "released" from custody...

 

[madppcs]

No way that dude is dead. He had his own island with dirt and evidence on the worlds most powerful. My guess is that he's on his new island paid for by taxpayers and is in a witness protection program

 

[Steel+Killer]

Anyone ever see the body?

 

[zeroz]

Anyone ever see the body?

Probably so, but plastic surgery or wax can do pretty amazing shit these days.

 

[pmclaine]

Im familiar with a lock up in lets say Mayberry, NC.

It basically only holds defaults for minor stuff, motor vehicle shit, protective custody.

An attempted suicide stays with the detainee for life. Two weeks later you dont say "Meh, He didnt mean it, he is okay now." If you are arrested and you sit on the bench and say "Man, Im so stupid I could kill myself". That is taken seriously and will follow you forever.

Not that there is an incentive to list someone suicidal but when someone is entered into a suicide notification if they are ever taken into custody again a watch has to be hired on overtime to check them visually and by striking a watchman every 15 minutes.

Run of the mill prisoners with no risks entered get visually checked and a watchman is struck every half hour.

These are important prisoners in a sense they deserve proper care but they dont rise to the level of perhaps the most high profile prisoner in the country that supposedly made an attempt two weeks before.

So is there reason to be skeptical?

 

[whatsupdoc]

Wow no comment from @Choid

 

[Choid]

Wow no comment from @Choid

I'm on a mission to make peace with my Bear Pit brothers.

 

[PolarisBreach]

There's no way he killed himself. I think he was killed: I believe his dirt on some of the world's most richest and powerful was more of a liability than leverage. Even if he managed to escape justice again, he wouldn't be able to do his job anymore - he was too high-profile. I believe whoever was pulling the strings above Epstein decided to use him as a message to whoever replaced him to keep their head down and fly under the radar.

 

[diverdon]

So, they didn't check on him, slept,, surfed the interwebss, falsified records, the CCTV equipment was malfunctioning, allowed him to die in some way...

And they get a deferred prosecution (no actual charges filed) and once the community service is done, it'll probably be expunged from their records after a certain number of years....


This adds fuel to the fire that Epstein didn't kill himself.

Epstine did not kill himself. If not a fire, it's a simple truth. Epstine knew he had the goods on enough big people that they would have to help him. They did, just not in the way he expected.

 

[softcock]

Smells fishy
Smells of Hillary!

the contractual ND agrements they signed will not be broken , as they will be prosecuted and also no interviews or book deal are in the future. and in another 20 years no one will remember or care what happened in that date in sleazy politics .

an old time favorite .
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[pmclaine]

I'm on a mission to make peace with my Bear Pit brothers.

Oh God. This fuckstain again.

 

[Choid]

Oh God. This fuckstain again.

Don't worry, I don't mean you.

 

[BullGear]

Oh God. This fuckstain again.

Oh no, no your response again.

 

[Hartyk]

And they also received a good sized chunk of money for shutting the fuck up.

Ok, speculation, but I'd like to see how their lives have changed in six months.

Add next six months to that.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Obvious cover up is obvious.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

VooDoo

 

[S197]

Epstein guards to skirt jail time in deal with prosecutors

The two Bureau of Prisons workers tasked with guarding Jeffrey Epstein the night he killed himself in a New York jail have admitted they falsified records, but they will skirt any time behind bars under a deal with federal prosecutors.

apnews.com

Who here thinks that you could hang yourself so silently that someone 15ft away wouldn't hear you?

2 tall people away. At the front bumper of the car while you are at the rear.

I think I could piss on a fire from 15ft away successfully.

I KNOW when I fart it stinks 15 feet away.

From working in a prison, this happens often and other inmates will not say anything. A rich, weak chomo cut off from powerful people and geting no compassion from outside aid. i have seen shifts skip hours of 30 minute security checks. 9:1 he did it himself but probably had threats made against him from powerful people.

 

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VooDoo

....and yet Trump was the only person to distance himself from Epstein (before everything came out) and banned him from his resort or hitting on a teenager....

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

VooDoo

Why?

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Why what?

VooDoo

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

Didn't Trumpy say of Ghislaine Maxwell at a press conference when asked.."I wish her well?

 

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Didn't Trumpy say of Ghislaine Maxwell at a press conference when asked.."I wish her well?

"i wish her well" .....meaning...."that bitch is going to get epsteined"......not that he actually wishes her well.

much like when he said "gee thats to bad" when he found out Mitt had corona

its called sarcasm

 

[theLBC]

....and yet Trump was the only person to distance himself from Epstein (before everything came out) and banned him from his resort or hitting on a teenager....

according to the attorney for the initial victim, trump was the only big name that knew epstein that offered to help get him arrested.
trump went to court to get epstein's membership to his golf club cancelled after hearing complaints of inappropriate comments to female staff.

but he was at events and allowed himself to be photographed with epstein, so ignorant shitstains like @Vodoun daVinci will post them..

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Why what?

VooDoo

Why you gotta post that pic? Zero context, zero inference. Why would you want to go and drag Trump into this? You suffer from TDS?

 

[Choid]

OK, I know everybody has been waiting for my reply and analysis, so here it is. Most likely scenario:

Epstein knew he was going to spend his life in prison, and wanted to kill himself. Had the guards paid off so that he could do so.

 

[AK4900PA]

There may very well have been some nefarious activities, but some of the theories and assumptions made by folks who have never stepped foot in a prison are amusing. I'm a supervisor at what is probably the most high profile prison in the country. We average probably half a dozen successful suicides per year. If security or psych deem you to be an immediate threat to yourself you'll be put on CDO (constant and direct observation) where an officer literally sits outside your cell door and stares at you. Otherwise 30 minutes "checks" will be conducted. It's not uncommon for it to run more than 30 minutes between checks during rec, showers, feeding. If Epstein had been where I work he would not have been the super high profile special case that people seem to think he was. He would've been treated and handled like any other inmate.

 

[pmclaine]

There may very well have been some nefarious activities, but some of the theories and assumptions made by folks who have never stepped foot in a prison are amusing. I'm a supervisor at what is probably the most high profile prison in the country. We average probably half a dozen successful suicides per year. If security or psych deem you to be an immediate threat to yourself you'll be put on CDO (constant and direct observation) where an officer literally sits outside your cell door and stares at you. Otherwise 30 minutes "checks" will be conducted. It's not uncommon for it to run more than 30 minutes between checks during rec, showers, feeding. If Epstein had been where I work he would not have been the super high profile special case that people seem to think he was. He would've been treated and handled like any other inmate.

No he wouldnt get extra or special treatment but having had made an attempt two weeks previous, as the news reported, he would have had that guard staring at him under direct/enhanced observation.

 

[AK4900PA]

Not necessarily. CDO rarely last more than 72 hours. At that point he would either be removed from CDO and returned to his assigned cell or transferred to a psychiatric unit depending on what the doctor decided.

 

[wade2big]

There may very well have been some nefarious activities, but some of the theories and assumptions made by folks who have never stepped foot in a prison are amusing. I'm a supervisor at what is probably the most high profile prison in the country. We average probably half a dozen successful suicides per year. If security or psych deem you to be an immediate threat to yourself you'll be put on CDO (constant and direct observation) where an officer literally sits outside your cell door and stares at you. Otherwise 30 minutes "checks" will be conducted. It's not uncommon for it to run more than 30 minutes between checks during rec, showers, feeding. If Epstein had been where I work he would not have been the super high profile special case that people seem to think he was. He would've been treated and handled like any other inmate.

He was anything but a regular inmate. He was a criminal multi-billionaire head of a international child prostitution ring that catered to the world elites. If there were ever a high profile inmate, he was it. To treat him like a man in prison on marijuana charges would be asinine.

 

[The King]

Not necessarily. CDO rarely last more than 72 hours. At that point he would either be removed from CDO and returned to his assigned cell or transferred to a psychiatric unit depending on what the doctor decided.

I can choose between two different things to believe here:

A guy who was supremely confident his lawyers could get him to walk as his agreement with the prosecution was binding in nature...killed himself in front of the prison guards 15ft away.

OR - That someone dirt napped him. And to be frank, both possibilities are pretty solid.

It’s pretty obvious the fix is in with the other stuff that happened with Epstein, like his server room for the camera systems being cleaned the fuck out already.

Aaaaand finally if there are two explanations on the table, and one of them is “that’s just a coincidence” and the other is “our politicians are evil child molesting murdering fucks” i’ll pick 2 every time.

 

[AK4900PA]

He was anything but a regular inmate. He was a criminal multi-billionaire head of a international child prostitution ring that catered to the world elites. If there were ever a high profile inmate, he was it. To treat him like a man in prison on marijuana charges would be asinine.

I don't deal with men who have marijuana charges. I deal with men who have been given death sentences and men who run criminal organizations. I'm sure he would've been put into some sort of protective custody, but security policy would be the same with him as anyone else who had the same custody status.

 

[AK4900PA]

I can choose between two different things to believe here:

A guy who was supremely confident his lawyers could get him to walk as his agreement with the prosecution was binding in nature...killed himself in front of the prison guards 15ft away.

OR - That someone dirt napped him. And to be frank, both possibilities are pretty solid.

It’s pretty obvious the fix is in with the other stuff that happened with Epstein, like his server room for the camera systems being cleaned the fuck out already.

Aaaaand finally if there are two explanations on the table, and one of them is “that’s just a coincidence” and the other is “our politicians are evil child molesting murdering fucks” i’ll pick 2 every time.

I don't pretend to be knowledgeable in the details of this particular incident. I am however knowledgeable in prison security policy. If someone in prison wants to end their life, it's not difficult. Getting dozens of people to stay quiet about something is.

He may very well have been "silenced", but some of the details of theories people have come up with are just not likely. The theory that he's still alive for example. The number of people involved in that would require alot of people to keep their mouths shut. Not likely.

 

[The King]

I don't deal with men who have marijuana charges. I deal with men who have been given death sentences and men who run criminal organizations. I'm sure he would've been put into some sort of protective custody, but security policy would be the same with him as anyone else who had the same custody status.

I appreciate you arguing for ineptitude here. Having worked in corrections, I view ineptitude as plausible in the extreme as well.

But...knowing who is responsible for inmates being found regularly with drugs, cell phones, knives...even loaded handguns...I’m pretty sure you can bribe a CO to get shit done, too.

I’m sure Maxwell will kill herself soon, in the women’s shower, with a lead pipe to the back of her head over and over again. In a prison without lead plumbing.

 

[308pirate]

Why what?

VooDoo

Why do you post stupid shit?

 

[308pirate]

OK, I know everybody has been waiting for my reply and analysis, so here it is. Most likely scenario:

Epstein knew he was going to spend his life in prison, and wanted to kill himself. Had the guards paid off so that he could do so.

occam's razor?

 

[Terry Cross]

I can choose between two different things to believe here:

. . . . .

Aaaaand finally if there are two explanations on the table, and one of them is “that’s just a coincidence” and the other is “our politicians are evil child molesting murdering fucks” i’ll pick 2 every time.

^^ This.

and the "deal" with the 2 guards is 10,000% hokey bullshit.
This is simply another small chess move.

Compared to the real crimes and perpetrators being protected, the deal made around the 2 guards is a very subtle move.
Easy way to just say "Oops" ,they were just negligent and doing shit that 80% of the Federal workforce does on a daily basis instead of actual work.

This "deal" effectively gets them and to a certain extent the prison system off the hook for further pushes to investigate. It presents a plausible but totally fabricated story that allows others to call off the chase and pretty much takes the two guards off that chess board with future immunity and protection against double jeopardy.
...
Another small brick in the wall being built to divert and hide any connections to the power.

./

 

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There may very well have been some nefarious activities, but some of the theories and assumptions made by folks who have never stepped foot in a prison are amusing. I'm a supervisor at what is probably the most high profile prison in the country. We average probably half a dozen successful suicides per year. If security or psych deem you to be an immediate threat to yourself you'll be put on CDO (constant and direct observation) where an officer literally sits outside your cell door and stares at you. Otherwise 30 minutes "checks" will be conducted. It's not uncommon for it to run more than 30 minutes between checks during rec, showers, feeding. If Epstein had been where I work he would not have been the super high profile special case that people seem to think he was. He would've been treated and handled like any other inmate.

Yeah but how often are the cameras conviently down during the time he just happens to die.

Why did the guards just happen to make a "mistake" during the time when both the cameras were down and he happened to die.

1 event is a mishap.......2 events is suspicious.....3 events happening at the same time is a conspiracy

And while the events of HIS conviction means he would be treated like any other inmate.....the people he was likely to implicate made him far more important than some wanna be gang banger

 

[Choid]

occam's razor?

Occam's noose in this instance.