Maggie’s Everyone freaking over TicToc being banned🤣

[Necessary 3vil]

Who gives a shit ???
It’s mostly kids and the app is VERY intrusive from my understanding…https://www.youtube.com/live/l8h3AFKrADo?si=-d2gZ3o9PKQOxbOZ

 

[hlee]

Tic Tok is like the "Hot Sheets" from Men in Black...

 

[Jefe's Dope]

The people freaking out are those who make money on it as content providers. I say get it gone. Tik Tok in China is treated very differently than here. Especially for youths.

 

[lariat]

Who gives a shit ???
It’s mostly kids and the app is VERY intrusive from my understanding…https://www.youtube.com/live/l8h3AFKrADo?si=-d2gZ3o9PKQOxbOZ

You need to read the legistlation and think for yourself. It isnt about Tik Tok - its about YOU.

 

[jbuck88]

IMO they are all the same. Tiktok might be a little worse, but they all steal and sell it to China anyways. So China just cut out the middleman with tiktok.

 

[918v]

You need to read the legistlation and think for yourself. It isnt about Tik Tok - its about YOU.

How? What in the legislation affects us?

Foreign companies should not be allowed to do business in the US in areas affecting social policy.

 

[lariat]

How? What in the legislation affects us?

Foreign companies should not be allowed to do business in the US in areas affecting social policy.

I copied my response from Porta John:

"Notice it also specifically designates apps. Think ballistic apps, crypto payment apps (so you have to use CBDCs), Bible or other religious apps (hate speech), etc. The power would rest solely with the Executive branch. How any citizen thinks this centralization of power and negation of the First Amendment is a good idea is beyond me."

Read that again slowly: the EXECUTIVE BRANCH will decide what apps you can have, there is no provision for review or reversal of the Executive Branch decision. It is a full violation of the First Amendment. What makes anyone think that this is really about Tik Tok? If it was there wouldn't be this language in there. On the contrary it would have mentioned Tik Tok solely, but it doesn't; rather it flings the door open to censorship of websites (like this one), apps and other avenues of information that are deemed unsatisfactory. This is 1984 level stuff.

Here is Rand Paul's comments:

Dr. Rand Paul Fights to Protect Constitution, Opposes Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), Ranking Member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, spoke on the Senate floor to protect Americans’ First Amendment rights and oppose a Senate bill that would ban TikTok. Dr. Paul's objection comes from a...

www.paul.senate.gov

If it was just about banning Tik Tok, I might be for it, but this reaches FAR beyond that. Very very far.

 

[Downtown]

Much like our own NSA, China is vacuuming up data all over the world, by many means. Way too much data to ever be usable by human analysis, but who knows what fun AI will bring. TheTicToc app has been proven to be incredibly intrusive, even recording keystrokes used in other apps. Most world Governments have banned its use on government phones for this reason. Yes, the prime demographic right now is teens, and who cares about a bunch of teen data? Except in time, these teens will be corporate executives, politicians, bureaucrats, President. We really need to get used to the idea that the CCP looks at everything they do as a means of waging a non-kinetic war on us. They are winning.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

I admit I haven't read the actual legislation. But it appears they're using TikTok as a scapegoat to get legislation to get, surprise, more control over everything. If this for TikTok and only TikTok, I'd be onboard but it appears there's more "pork" to consider. Again, surprise/rolleyes.

 

[missed]

The biggest problem with the bill is allowing of government overreach yet again. It gives them the power to block any app or website they deem a "threat". This will be a major erosion of the first amendment. It will wind up like the patriot act on meth and steroids. Don't get me wrong tiktok is a fucking piece of shit run by some of the most evil people in the world. But this is not the way to handle this.

 

[Pok]

Can't help but be suspicious if Brandon says he'll sign it.

 

[Green461]

Slight of hand trick... look over here at this big bad tiktok, we'll save you from it. All the other big social media platforms are controlled by the cia and fbi, if you dont allow the govt to control it they ban you. They just say "national security" and the zeros are all like... oh ok, thank you Mr communist govt we feel so much safer now, the big bad app was going to kill us all.

 

[Stavey]

All of our phones and electronics are made in China . However they want us to believe the Chinese are spying through tictok. LOL. Fact is tictok is the last form of actual unrestricted free speech. That is what they fear. Our government wants to be able to control every bit of propoganda that you see. If I post on YouTube the increased mortality rates since the death jab . I am warned and or banned. If I call a tranny a tranny or reference their mental illness on YouTube. I am banned and or warned. I can type a comment on YouTube and look at my wife’s phone and it’s not even there/- shadow banned. That is what they want total control.
This guy hit the nail on the head.

 

[Necessary 3vil]

You need to read the legistlation and think for yourself. It isnt about Tik Tok - its about YOU.

Yep, the all mighty capital hill telling us what we can and can’t do…

FJB

 

[918v]

All of our phones and electronics are made in China . However they want us to believe the Chinese are spying through tictok. LOL. Fact is tictok is the last form of actual unrestricted free speech. That is what they fear. Our government wants to be able to control every bit of propoganda that you see. If I post on YouTube the increased mortality rates since the death jab . I am warned and or banned. If I call a tranny a tranny or reference their mental illness on YouTube. I am banned and or warned. I can type a comment on YouTube and look at my wife’s phone and it’s not even there/- shadow banned. That is what they want total control.
This guy hit the nail on the head.

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Unrestricted free speech, censored by china.

 

[918v]

I copied my response from Porta John:

"Notice it also specifically designates apps. Think ballistic apps, crypto payment apps (so you have to use CBDCs), Bible or other religious apps (hate speech), etc. The power would rest solely with the Executive branch. How any citizen thinks this centralization of power and negation of the First Amendment is a good idea is beyond me."

Read that again slowly: the EXECUTIVE BRANCH will decide what apps you can have, there is no provision for review or reversal of the Executive Branch decision. It is a full violation of the First Amendment. What makes anyone think that this is really about Tik Tok? If it was there wouldn't be this language in there. On the contrary it would have mentioned Tik Tok solely, but it doesn't; rather it flings the door open to censorship of websites (like this one), apps and other avenues of information that are deemed unsatisfactory. This is 1984 level stuff.

Here is Rand Paul's comments:

Dr. Rand Paul Fights to Protect Constitution, Opposes Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), Ranking Member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, spoke on the Senate floor to protect Americans’ First Amendment rights and oppose a Senate bill that would ban TikTok. Dr. Paul's objection comes from a...

www.paul.senate.gov

If it was just about banning Tik Tok, I might be for it, but this reaches FAR beyond that. Very very far.

The legislation applies to foreign owned apps.

Again, foreign companies should not have freedom of speech in the United States. Either sell the platform to a domestic entity or gtfo.

 

[Downtown]

The biggest problem with the bill is allowing of government overreach yet again. It gives them the power to block any app or website they deem a "threat". This will be a major erosion of the first amendment. It will wind up like the patriot act on meth and steroids. Don't get me wrong tiktok is a fucking piece of shit run by some of the most evil people in the world. But this is not the way to handle this.

Please insure that you're reading the most recent legislation proposed. The previous TicToc ban Bill really sucked, very poorly written, obviously unconstitutional, gave Government too much power, and it failed. This bill is much better written and, as written, simply disallows foreign ownership of data gathering apps. Not just any foreign ownership, but ownership by "adversary countries", which are already defined in federal law and include North Korea & China.

 

[ChezJfrey]

China, North Korea, Russia blocks internet information in their countries = "Big bad dictatorship, oppressing/restricting information freedom of their people!"

U.S.A. blocks internet information in the country = "Yay! Get rid of that crap! Good riddance!"

Hopefully, with this new legislation, some benevolent billionaire like Zuckerberg or Bezos will buy up TikTok and curate information properly for us, so that we are saved from misinformation. Last I saw, Mnuchin might save us...

 

[Downtown]

China, North Korea, Russia blocks internet information in their countries = "Big bad dictatorship, oppressing/restricting information freedom of their people!"

U.S.A. blocks internet information in the country = "Yay! Get rid of that crap! Good riddance!"

Hopefully, with this new legislation, some benevolent billionaire like Zuckerberg or Bezos will buy up TikTok and curate information properly for us, so that we are saved from misinformation. Last I saw, Mnuchin might save us...

I think the main issue is the threat to security that allowing an adversary to suck up everyones data presents, rather than "misinformation". Propaganda has always existed and has always been up to each of us to curate as we will.

 

[ChezJfrey]

I think the main issue is the threat to security that allowing an adversary to suck up everyones data presents, rather than "misinformation". Propaganda has always existed and has always been up to each of us to curate as we will.

And we want our government to choose and decide who is eligible to do this for us? I have trust issues with their judgment. I prefer the "up to each of us" part you mention.

 

[mosin46]

I copied my response from Porta John:

"Notice it also specifically designates apps. Think ballistic apps, crypto payment apps (so you have to use CBDCs), Bible or other religious apps (hate speech), etc. The power would rest solely with the Executive branch. How any citizen thinks this centralization of power and negation of the First Amendment is a good idea is beyond me."

Read that again slowly: the EXECUTIVE BRANCH will decide what apps you can have, there is no provision for review or reversal of the Executive Branch decision. It is a full violation of the First Amendment. What makes anyone think that this is really about Tik Tok? If it was there wouldn't be this language in there. On the contrary it would have mentioned Tik Tok solely, but it doesn't; rather it flings the door open to censorship of websites (like this one), apps and other avenues of information that are deemed unsatisfactory. This is 1984 level stuff.

Here is Rand Paul's comments:

Dr. Rand Paul Fights to Protect Constitution, Opposes Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), Ranking Member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, spoke on the Senate floor to protect Americans’ First Amendment rights and oppose a Senate bill that would ban TikTok. Dr. Paul's objection comes from a...

www.paul.senate.gov

If it was just about banning Tik Tok, I might be for it, but this reaches FAR beyond that. Very very far.

exactly. i know nothing but the tik tok i see on here is all pretty conservative or dising lib stuff. the 1st ammendment was put in place to protect rights to free expression,esp unpopular publishing. yes,porn loved by so many here,grooming shit,commie shit,anti american shit,womens lib shit etc. you need to educate your young and yourself to critically analyze what is seen or read. banning things one doesn't like just makes your speech a target for the deep state. if anyone thinks that this move isn't directed at musk,carlson,macgregor and like people,then they are either stupid,naive or complicit with the freedom suppressors

 

[jbuck88]

I don't do social media. But from what I understand tiktok suppressed anything right of center so it's not like there is any kind of free speech that will go away. It's used a tool to devide the country. They promote the leftist morals and idiocies.

 

[lariat]

The legislation applies to foreign owned apps.

Again, foreign companies should not have freedom of speech in the United States. Either sell the platform to a domestic entity or gtfo.

The legistlation refers to any app, website, etc that is at least 20% owned, either by one person, entity or a combination of investors. 20% is not majoprity owned, that is a shareholder. I would be curious to what percentage of any US-based platform, programming company or data storing service falls under this provision. If a tech company is traded on the stock exchange it is at risk. There is a lot of foreign money that is in the US stock markets due to a flight to safety, etc. this means that corporations will now have to spend money to ensure they run afoul of this legistlation. This then causes increased compliance audits and a requirement for individual companies to monitor who owns their stock in ways that haven't been done before. Do we really want this?

"(B)an entity with respect to which a foreign person or combination of foreign persons described in subparagraph (A) directly or indirectly own at least a 20 percent stake"

 

[Milf Dots]

ALL social media, big tech, corporate media, Hollywood, health care, insurance, banking/finance, should be owned and operated by Americans and not dems/rinos a.k.a. marxists, maoists, socialists, fascists, authoritarians, communists, leftists.

 

[cas6969]

Unrestricted free speech, censored by china.

And now censored by your government too.

So who's next? When has the government every stopped at just one? One regulation, one tax, one law?

 

[mosin46]

that would be a good thing and esp farm land. how to manage that in the context of freedom and liberty and private property rights would be a tough process. keeping dems and rinos out of ownership and management? good luck. that would need a stalinist,maoist or hitlerian setup.

 

[hlee]

All of our phones and electronics are made in China . However they want us to believe the Chinese are spying through tictok. LOL. Fact is tictok is the last form of actual unrestricted free speech. That is what they fear. Our government wants to be able to control every bit of propoganda that you see. If I post on YouTube the increased mortality rates since the death jab . I am warned and or banned. If I call a tranny a tranny or reference their mental illness on YouTube. I am banned and or warned. I can type a comment on YouTube and look at my wife’s phone and it’s not even there/- shadow banned. That is what they want total control.
This guy hit the nail on the head.

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Yep, this is why .gov killed The National Enquirer...

 

[Jlknights61]

Most alarming is I believe the "Tik Tok" bill has provisions for the government to force sale on any social media company engaged in "election interference" Many democrats are saying that Elon Musk engaged in interference in the 2022 mid terms.

Further this would allow the government to threaten essentially any tech/social media company (owner) with financial ruin if they allow the sharing of information the government deems improper.

One just needs to look at the rhetoric surrounding "interference" in the the last several election cycles to see how this could be abused.

 

[Arc Light]

Good, I say ban Facebook and all the other useless social media websites while they are at it. Who knows, the morons who live on these platforms might actually have to find something meaningful and useful to do with their lives.

 

[Green461]

Most alarming is I believe the "Tik Tok" bill has provisions for the government to force sale on any social media company engaged in "election interference" Many democrats are saying that Elon Musk engaged in interference in the 2022 mid terms.

Further this would allow the government to threaten essentially any tech/social media company (owner) with financial ruin if they allow the sharing of information the government deems improper.

One just needs to look at the rhetoric surrounding "interference" in the the last several election cycles to see how this could be abused.

Anything can be deemed election interference... thats what polls are, ads, factual statistics...etc.. If any information affects once decision it is interfering with the opposing candidates plan so its interference.

 

[Jlknights61]

Anything can be deemed election interference... thats what polls are, ads, factual statistics...etc.. If any information affects once decision it is interfering with the opposing candidates plan so its interference.

Exactly, which means regardless of how insidious Tik Tok may be, this bill is bad.

 

[mosin46]

that is a thought. i have never used it,never would. banning something i despise is on shaky ethical and constitutional grounds,however. i don't have any power and certainly shouldn't have very much. i would likely abuse it as all power holders have historically.

 

[chevy_man]

I don't do social media. But from what I understand tiktok suppressed anything right of center so it's not like there is any kind of free speech that will go away. It's used a tool to devide the country. They promote the leftist morals and idiocies.

It's an algorithm. If you only watch right leaning content and skip the left, it'll quit serving up the left.

It's not like blocking it will do anything. TOR or a VPN can put you in any country in the world instantly. Just adds 1 step.

This is why people who don't understand tech shouldn't be voting or writing bills about it. They're far too ignorant of the way the tech works and the ability to bypass censorship.

This really is about freedom of speech. We're at the top of a slippery slope and most here are too old to see the bottom of that slope they're desperately trying to throw the rest of us down.

 

[Frgood]

This has nothing to do with the colloquial 'Free Speech' rant. Except, maybe, the long shot of the government establishing a State religion vis-a-vis Federally mandated behavior, attitudes, and knowledge.
Nor is it about control of corporate interests. Except, maybe, that facilitation of favored businesses.
This is about the Federal government deciding all attitudes, behavior, and knowledge of its populace.

If my last statement is too subtle for you, then I suggest a little more self-reflection.
[hint: Who owns who? For My Government does not behave in this manner.]

 

[Milf Dots]

Sen. Joe McCarthy and former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov were right- you can't allow Leftist ideas because they'll undermine the freedoms of our American Republic. Just look at the last century for objective proof.

 

[FieldGaugeFailure]

Never underestimate the ability to weaponize anything, especially banning/revoking things. When something gets banned/revoked, it sets a very easy precedent to follow for future usage of banning/revoking. It's not difficult to go from "we got rid of (a) because of (reasons), so why can't we get rid of (b) because of (reasons)".

 

[mosin46]

It's an algorithm. If you only watch right leaning content and skip the left, it'll quit serving up the left.

It's not like blocking it will do anything. TOR or a VPN can put you in any country in the world instantly. Just adds 1 step.

This is why people who don't understand tech shouldn't be voting or writing bills about it. They're far too ignorant of the way the tech works and the ability to bypass censorship.

This really is about freedom of speech. We're at the top of a slippery slope and most here are too old to see the bottom of that slope they're desperately trying to throw the rest of us down.

being old,i know jack shit about tech. but,i am not trying to use the slope. anyone of any age with a brain,a pulse and eyes can see where this is headed and its not freedom friendly. we have gotten to the point that anything that is a massive injury to "tech" will essentially end most human life in at least the 1st & 2nd worlds and will totally destroy human society as it now exists. since about 80 (?) we have set ourselves up for destruction by being so dependent on digital that it's loss will destroy us. AI looks to be given total control of the digital world and its dependents. that will be our demise. ie if dna,rna,genetic manipulation does present something that will do the job instead.

 

[Srgt. Hulka]

Tic Toc's been banned in my house since it came out. I told my kids if they loaded that crap on their phone, they're paying for their own phone service. My kids are now grown, and out of the house, and I think they still haven't loaded that crap on their phone.

 

[fpgt72]

I copied my response from Porta John:

"Notice it also specifically designates apps. Think ballistic apps, crypto payment apps (so you have to use CBDCs), Bible or other religious apps (hate speech), etc. The power would rest solely with the Executive branch. How any citizen thinks this centralization of power and negation of the First Amendment is a good idea is beyond me."

Read that again slowly: the EXECUTIVE BRANCH will decide what apps you can have, there is no provision for review or reversal of the Executive Branch decision. It is a full violation of the First Amendment. What makes anyone think that this is really about Tik Tok? If it was there wouldn't be this language in there. On the contrary it would have mentioned Tik Tok solely, but it doesn't; rather it flings the door open to censorship of websites (like this one), apps and other avenues of information that are deemed unsatisfactory. This is 1984 level stuff.

Here is Rand Paul's comments:

Dr. Rand Paul Fights to Protect Constitution, Opposes Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), Ranking Member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, spoke on the Senate floor to protect Americans’ First Amendment rights and oppose a Senate bill that would ban TikTok. Dr. Paul's objection comes from a...

www.paul.senate.gov

If it was just about banning Tik Tok, I might be for it, but this reaches FAR beyond that. Very very far.

I had to quote this as it is spot on.

This is ANY website they don't like, ANY app. Think sites like free republic, american thinker, snipers hide with their evil gunz will be long for the world. This is bad on a scale that this country has not seen before. This will allow them to control the "misinformation" That greatest threat will be gone.

https://www.weforum.org/press/2024/01/global-risks-report-2024-press-release/

All you have read about covid would not come to light, now think. Only what the .gov says is all you know. There is no other view, those other sites that say things against what the .gov's policy is are dangerous and will be shut down, and if you don't think so you are a fool.

This is the worst thing since the 18th amendment, this is worse, it is cutting into the core of what made this country what it is.

If this passes, and sadly I think it will because "why give a shit". I don't fault the OP, it does look just like he says on the surface. Watch what the "news" says about it and sure any sane person would be for that, but like everything in the news it is a lie.

I can offer you a suggestion, if you see something on the news, or however you came across this, research it yourself. Yea it can be a bit of a pain, but read it if you can, or get a rundown on what it is from a place you already trust. You don't trust one source for anything else, but what they say about this you take at face value. Again not intending to be hard on anyone, it is easy to fall into this trap.

If this does pass it really will be all over. Without freedom of speech everything else falls on its face, and that freedom is really under attack from world wide sources. If not for those pesky first couple amendments this country would look just like western europe, canada........ They must strip the protections away, and they are using this smoke screen and tik tok to do it.

 

[DocRDS]

On the one hand: ChiComs

On the other: Yet Another Govt Overreach

There's an easy solution I found:
Just delete the damn app (Or don't install it in the first place).

Although the pessimist in me is reminded: "Never let a crisis go to waste"

 

[Mr.BR]

Funny thing about why now

First and foremost its about fallout from war in Gaza , geriatric politicians and Israeli lobbyist groups blame Tiktok for turning folks against Israel , would be less ironic if IDF did not have full-scale TikTok Video production going out from the warzone.

Government overreach is just something that will always get included into such things.

Bit it is kinda ironic when other countries do it they are labeled authoritarian and dictatorships, and in US it defending democracy. Note that once they force Bytedance to divest from TikTok to some 3 letter agency-friendly billionaire or group of billionaires then is all ok.

Like it or not politicians and lobbyists are pushing a host of anti-first Amendment laws in support of Israel in a number of US states and some idiots are even cheering this on . More censorship and authoritarianism thanks to some tribe in ME.

Critics renew calls for a TikTok ban, claiming anti-Israel bias on the platform

The perceived performance of pro-Palestinian content on the platform depends on how you parse TikTok’s data.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[918v]

Tiktok turned our youth against Israel in a manner of a couple months. The same can be done against us because our youth is stupid.

 

[isofahunter]

For your protection.

 

[lariat]

Tiktok turned our youth against Israel in a manner of a couple months. The same can be done against us because our youth is stupid.

That’s what the MSM is doing already. I don’t see them listed in this legislation.

Myopia is running rampant with this topic.

 

[FieldGaugeFailure]

Tiktok turned our youth against Israel in a manner of a couple months. The same can be done against us because our youth is stupid.

Impressionable people will always be impressionable, regardless of source of distribution. 30 years ago, kids from opposite coasts thought they had to hate each other because of a fabricated east/west rap beef. Relying on the govt to take away things from impressionable people is a poor direction forward, because they will just remove everything that isn't state-sponsored media/content distribution.

 

[Jlknights61]

Isn’t there already a method to do this, I mean just sanction the CCP/tik tok specifically and make apple/google remove it from their app stores the way they removed strelok and all other “russian military” apps. Not saying this isn’t gov overreach and I certainly wasn’t happy about the removal of strelok, but it’s a hell of a lot better than a new bill the the executive will be able to stretch and interpret at will to further curtail rights a la nfa gca etc.

This just seems like a much more limited scope/harder to abuse method to effect the same result, and the pathway already exists.

 

[mosin46]

tik tok a CCP tool? maybe,likely,who REALLY knows? if so,then it is a tool used against us. guns are often tools of murder,robbery etc. should guns be banned because of their potential use in evil? doubt many here would agree with that. it turned the "youth"against israel? your point is? that goes on the "youth" if that is the case. blame schools,parents,all media for that. there are many commentators that now criticize israel for it's recent actions. are carlson,hansen,etc tools of the ccp and deep state/NWO? ban suppressors and full auto as done long ago. ban hi cap mags,bump stocks, certain triggers. then ban guns all together. ban tik tok,then X. the program is incremental so as to not cause too much resistance.

 

[Floridapanhandle]

No Tic Toc or Facebook account, so I couldn't care less.

 

[cas6969]

If you clean out your ears and listen, this sounds just like"sensible gun laws". "It's just this one time for this one thing, because it's really important that we do it."

No Tic Toc or Facebook account, so I couldn't care less.

You've just made that comment on social media. If we stick with the gun analogy, your comment would make you a "Fudd".

 

[The D]

TikTok is the Trojan horse that this nonsense is being blamed on. It’s going to affect everyone in very negative ways. That’s the way it always goes