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Evolution May Be Purposeful And It’s Freaking Scientists Out

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Excellent article. This is a very brief scientific article for those that hate reading and learning new stuff…

The established scientific community of today is acting exactly like the established scientific community did to Darwin during his time. Most scientists are no different than other people when resisting change.


The status quo is such an enemy to progress and always has been. I have heard the same is happening in astrophysics and bio-engineering.

Mankind goes through periods of rapid growth fueled by unfettered imagination and invention, then stagnation for long periods of time. Until something or someone(s) make break through discoveries that can't be denied. We are currently in a period of stagnation, in more than one way.
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“Where are all the genetic cures?” asks Denis Noble, a frustrated biophysicist, Royal Society fellow and pioneer of the field of systems biology. “They don’t exist. Where will they be? They won’t exist.” Since mapping the human genome in 2003, research priorities and funding shifted significantly towards genetics. The investment improved disease detection and management but failed to deliver on its promise of cures for our most common deadly diseases like heart disease, type 2 diabetes, Alzheimer’s and most cancers. Compounding the issue, a large-scale, 2023 study concluded that genetic risk scores perform poorly at predicting who’s going to develop common diseases. For Noble, the billions invested annually in genetic research represents less of a strategy and more of a scientific confusion—that we are our genes.


The scientific story of who we are is a reductionist, gene-centric model that forfeits natural phenomena like purpose due to its association with intelligent design and a transcendent, intelligent designer. Noble is neutral on religious matters. Yet he sees compelling evidence that purpose may be fundamental to life. He’s determined to debunk the current scientific paradigm and replace the elevated importance of genes with something much more controversial. His efforts have enraged many of his peers but gained support from the next generation of origins-of-life researchers working to topple the reign of gene-centrism. If successful, the shift could not only transform how we classify, study and treat disease, but what it means to be alive.

Emergent Heart Beats

One of the earliest biomedical computer programmers, Noble created the first model for a working human heart in 1960 on a vacuum tube computer. The project led to his discovery that heartbeats are emergent properties—new phenomena—arising from feedback loops, transforming our understanding of heart function and underpin treatments for heart conditions that we use today. His research on the heart’s pacemaker demonstrates a prioritization of the organism as a whole over its genes alone. “Several genes could individually be knocked out but the process continues,” says Noble. These genes are responsible for heart rhythm, yet other mechanisms can take over to get the job done.

In the 1960s, Noble served as the dissertation examiner for the then-unknown Richard Dawkins. Dawkins—a prominent figure in the New Atheism movement—would go on to author the 1976 classic The Selfish Gene that popularized the gene-centric theory of evolution. Gene-centrism says evolution acts on genes, not individual organisms. We are merely vessels for our genes that are driving evolution by Darwinian natural selection. Noble's analysis suggests that evolution acts on the organism as a whole, with the organism harnessing randomness and variation to create and heal itself—on purpose. In this re-evaluation, Noble believes that purpose, creativity, and innovation are fundamental to evolution. He argues that we experience these processes as drives, but they are not purely subjective. They also progress non-consciously in other parts of our body. These natural processes harness randomness and unpredictability—stochasticity—to survive, make decisions, and thrive. “Stochasticity is the center of creativity in organisms,” says Noble.

Evolution on Purpose

Noble’s formal training is in cellular electrophysiology, the study of the differences in electrical charges inside and outside of a cell membrane. He suspects that crevices of ancient rocks served as cradles for emergent self-sustaining systems. Eventually, membranes evolved from lipid-coated bubbles, replacing the fissures in rocks as containers for these emergent systems. This gave rise to the first living entity—a single-celled organism. According to Noble, the constraints of a cell’s membrane and the restriction of freedom of molecules inside a cell, made purpose both possible and necessary. This development required a sort of intention or cognition within emergent networks of molecules to create and sustain biological functions.

Reinterpreting Existing Evidence

Noble sees evidence of purposive and intentional evolution in our immune response to viruses. Detection of the invader triggers a flurry of rapid mutations in the genes of B cells, creating a legion of gene variants. These variants are antibodies, the most effective of which are deployed to combat the virus. In a defensive assault, the immune system self-modifies its own DNA. “It changes the genome. Not supposed to be possible,” says Noble. “Happens all the time.”
The Future of Evolution
Noble is part of The Third Way, a movement in evolutionary biology that views natural selection as part of a holistic, organism-centered process. He co-authored Evolution “on Purpose," published by MIT Press in 2023, which argues that organisms evolve with intention.
Recent research calls into question whether genetic mutations are even entirely random. A 2022 study in Nature shows a mutation biassupporting the organism as a whole. Noble doesn’t understand why studies like these aren’t making bigger waves. “Do you, you people working in gene-centric biology, do you realize what has already been published?” asks an incredulous Noble.

This is one of his central criticisms of Richard Dawkins, whom Noble dubs the primary exponent of gene-centrism. Dawkins is one of the world’s foremost science communicators. Noble considers Dawkins an exceptional writer who simply hasn’t kept up with the science. When asked for comment, Dawkins responded, “I have a whole chapter dealing with Denis Noble in my next book, The Genetic Book of the Dead. It will be available in September.”

Where Evolution Went Wrong

Noble attributes our legacy of missteps to rigid assumptions put in place over a century ago to stand in for a lack of evidence. Darwin’s namesake theory of evolution by natural selection was first published in 1859. This slow process alters instructions to build an organism only through genetic mechanisms like random mutations and recombination that get passed down to offspring.

Near the end of his life, Darwin was corresponding with physiologist George Romanes, exploring additional mechanisms of inheritance and the role of physiology. Despite Darwin’s broadening views, his theory was scaled back posthumously. Following Darwin’s death in 1882, biologist and ‘Neo-Darwinist’ August Weismann promulgated the idea of a one-way barrier cordoning off reproductive cells from the rest of the body. This barrier required that reproductive cells were the sole vehicles for inheritance. Neo-Darwinists would go on to revive a theory of genes and genetic recombination. Mendelian genetics with Darwin’s natural selection were synthesized. The reproductive cells became the housing for genes which ascended to the centerpiece for evolution.
In 1894 at age 46, Romanes died of a cerebral hemorrhage. And so died the lone voice advocating for Darwin’s ultimate views—views of evolution which emphasized more complexity and physiology. Noble suspects if Romanes had survived, we may have avoided a gene-centric paradigm paralysis. Instead, Noble feels “our genetic hope is more about faith than facts.”

Mortality And A New Biology

Noble is urgently reviving and expanding on Darwin and Romanes. Last month, a special edition of The Journal of Physiology, co-edited by Noble and Michael Joyner of the Mayo Clinic, featured 21 articles challenging current evolutionary theory and advocating for the inclusion of phenomena like agency and cognition.

These articles corroborate the general theme that Genes Are Not The Blueprint For Life, the title of Noble’s review in the journal Nature,heralding science writer Philip Ball’s primer How Life Works: A User’s Guide to The New Biology. Ball, a former editor of Nature, admonishes the life sciences for ignoring obvious natural properties of living systems like agency and purpose because of “quasi-mystical” associations with intelligent design. In the book, Ball illustrates the resistance to letting go of the “tidy tale” of gene-centrism and the idea that genes control health more than “‘a bit’ and ‘somewhat’.” Like Noble, Ball is advocating for a new biology.

Noble’s urgency is more than academic. “This is critical to the future of health care,” says Noble, who feels the public is paying the ultimate price for gene-centrism. “I face the same problem as many other people face,” says Noble. “Families having to deal with serious illness, with social care that costs more than you can ever afford. I've been through all of that. I know what it does to families.” He considers it a foregone conclusion that aging populations will strain health systems to the point of rupture if we continue with gene-centrism.

The Critics

Noble’s critics worry that entertaining religion-adjacent views subverts established science and the entire scientific project. But Noble’s research doesn’t challenge the scientific method. It challenges a scientific epoch marked by a purely mechanistic view of nature that coincided with the Industrial Revolution and age of mechanization. Noble appreciates concerns raised by skeptics, yet refuses to exclude natural phenomena from scientific inquiry.

Noble’s critics also accuse him of exaggerating the importance of physiology, while Noble insists physiology has been unjustly sidelined since Darwin. “Physiology now has to come to the rescue of evolutionary biology,” says Noble.

Another objection is that Noble is contesting a theory of evolution that has since been revised to address new evidence. For Noble, this is exactly his point. New evidence doesn’t merely refine the theory, it undermines it.

Biology’s existential crisis reached a flashpoint in 2016, when Noble and a group of scientists and philosophers organized a conference on New Trends in Evolutionary Biology with the Royal Society of London. Royal Society members petitioned—unsuccessfully—to kill it. The protest letter (Royal Society member Richard Dawkins’ signature was noticeably absent) read “...we wish to express our concern that this meeting will severely damage the reputation of the Society among the worldwide community of evolutionary biologists (it has already attracted adverse comments among colleagues in the USA).”

They never name their U.S. colleagues, although American biologist and prominent anti-creationist, Jerry Coyne uses words like "stupid," "rotten" and “blundering tyro” in his public condemnation of Noble. Canadian biologist Laurence A. Moran echoes Coyne’s outrage adding, “It's difficult not to be very angry at people like Denis Noble.” Moran writes that if science was working properly, Noble would “fade into the woodwork of the Senior Common Room at some college in Oxford.” It’s true Noble didn’t raise serious objections to evolutionary theory until after he retired as Chair of Cardiovascular Physiology at the University of Oxford in 2004. He says “coming out” would have invariably damaged the reputation and careers of the research team in his lab.

The Next GeneRation

“We need to shame them. I'm sorry, but we do,” says bioengineer and origins-of-life scientist Joana Xavier about Noble’s caustic critics. Xavier, a next-generation evolutionary theorist, resents “bullying” from prominent scientists that shuts down young biologists and stymies scientific progress. She and her peers have new tools and fresh perspectives, yet Xavier says their academic careers are jeopardized by demeaning attacks.

Xavier’s research made headlines for her discovery of emergent, cooperative networks of molecules that mutually catalyze each other's formation in ancient bacteria. These systems were first theorized by complexity scientist, Stuart Kauffman, as a candidate for the origins-of-life story that challenges gene-centrism. Xavier studied under Noble and Kauffman before launching the Origin of Life Early-Career Network (OoLEN) with over 200 young, interdisciplinary researchers from around the world. This group co-authored an inaugural scientific paper The Future of Origin of Life Research: Bridging Decades-Old Divisions.

Xavier has identified another indication of intention at the cellular level of emergent systems: cooperation. She doesn’t understand why it’s acceptable to think of evolution as competitive but evidence of cooperation is considered taboo. “I think to solve life's origins, we'll need to look much more at cooperation. And emergence really brings cooperation into the scene, whether you want it or not,” says Xavier, who also sees creativity as fundamental to life. “It's so obvious, you either accept that it is true that life is creative or you don't.”

Xavier says her field is at an inflection point with gene-centrism holding back progress in health and medicine. “I think we’re completely stuck,” says Xavier. She’s actively pushing in a new direction even if she has to leave academia for the private sector to do it. “The gene-centric paradigm,” says Xavier, “That has to go. It's urgent.”

These days, Noble is surrounded by young researchers eager to reopen the case of evolution. “I have young people helping me with all of this because, believe me, I can't do all of this on my own,” says Noble. Creativity, purpose and organism-centered evolution are still only postulates that need rigorous testing. Noble is eager to explore both his theory and others. With theories of who we are, how we heal, and how we came to exist, Noble stresses “we should have more than one horse in the race.”
 
This is a very brief scientific article for those that hate reading and learning new stuff…
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ETA: And you’re a fucking asshole for the preface. I started reading and after a few paragraphs I was like what the fuck. Scroll…scroll…scroll. Brief my dick.
 
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ETA: And you’re a fucking asshole for the preface. I started reading and after a few paragraphs I was like what the fuck. Scroll…scroll…scroll. Brief my dick.
Haha! 😄

Yeah, I am. But with a reason. For those of you who have the interest though, the article lays out some very interesting information.

And despite what some may think/believe, believing in science does not negate nor truly contradict most religions.

Darwinism itself has essentially become a religion to many in the scientific community as pointed out in the article. In fact, Darwin himself later on contradicted his earlier writings, though those findings were mostly written out of his legend by those that wanted simple and concise rules for nature.
 
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is there a TLDR?
Yes, I guess so. Darwinism, which led to current gene theory is being challenged by a number of scientists now, who are finding that nature does not necessarily follow the “rules” that have been generally accepted for over 100 years now. There’s more to it than that.

Established science, having a lot at stake with gene theory (the theory that all traits are predetermined by our genes) and are doing their level best to suppress and discredit new information. Big shocker, huh?

In short, if gene theory were 100% true, we should already have cures for things like cancer and all sorts of other diseases and maladies, many ‘hereditary’. Why do we not then? Hint it’s not (only) because big pharma wants you in their pockets.
 
that first paragraph is laughable, about mapping the human genome to cure disease. it was about finding vulnerabilities to exploit so they could cull the heard eaier

as for the rest, the whole idea of evolution os laughable. that DNA was created from the primordial ooze from simple molecules getting together to reverse engineer DNA.

i got schooled in molecular biology and genetics and once i was done with that gaslighting bullshit i decided their theories are crap. life is way to complex for that. i’m not religious nut either.

the truth lies somewhere else.
 
that first paragraph is laughable, about mapping the human genome to cure disease. it was about finding vulnerabilities to exploit so they could cull the heard eaier

as for the rest, the whole idea of evolution os laughable. that DNA was created from the primordial ooze from simple molecules getting together to reverse engineer DNA.

i got schooled in molecular biology and genetics and once i was done with that gaslighting bullshit i decided their theories are crap. life is way to complex for that. i’m not religious nut either.

the truth lies somewhere else.
Thank you for you enlightening reply, as simplistic and laughable as it is.
 
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Oh yeah? I see your Forbes article and raise one of a few books written by Michael J. Behe.

"Darwin Devolves: The New Science about DNA that Challenges Evolution."

Some basic concepts about evolution at the microbio level. Also, he has written another book about things as irreducibly complex as the motor (electron microscopic pics show cogs with gear teeth) motors that drive the flagella of a bacterium.

And yeah it pisses the "God doesn't exist" crowd right the hell off.

I find that to be delicious, if it were a dessert.
 
Oh yeah? I see your Forbes article and raise one of a few books written by Michael J. Behe.

"Darwin Devolves: The New Science about DNA that Challenges Evolution."

Some basic concepts about evolution at the microbio level. Also, he has written another book about things as irreducibly complex as the motor (electron microscopic pics show cogs with gear teeth) motors that drive the flagella of a bacterium.

And yeah it pisses the "God doesn't exist" crowd right the hell off.

I find that to be delicious, if it were a dessert.
Ah, somebody that actually understands the article. Good to know. 👍🏻
 
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Oh yeah? I see your Forbes article and raise one of a few books written by Michael J. Behe.

"Darwin Devolves: The New Science about DNA that Challenges Evolution."

Some basic concepts about evolution at the microbio level. Also, he has written another book about things as irreducibly complex as the motor (electron microscopic pics show cogs with gear teeth) motors that drive the flagella of a bacterium.

And yeah it pisses the "God doesn't exist" crowd right the hell off.

I find that to be delicious, if it were a dessert.
Yup, the gears. Also found in insects. It's almost like we weren't the first to invent mechanics. Either bacteria and bugs are smarter than us or there is intelligent design.


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that first paragraph is laughable, about mapping the human genome to cure disease. it was about finding vulnerabilities to exploit so they could cull the heard eaier

as for the rest, the whole idea of evolution os laughable. that DNA was created from the primordial ooze from simple molecules getting together to reverse engineer DNA.

i got schooled in molecular biology and genetics and once i was done with that gaslighting bullshit i decided their theories are crap. life is way to complex for that. i’m not religious nut either.

the truth lies somewhere else.
Tell me you did not read past the first paragraph, without saying it.
 
Yes, I guess so. Darwinism, which led to current gene theory is being challenged by a number of scientists now, who are finding that nature does not necessarily follow the “rules” that have been generally accepted for over 100 years now. There’s more to it than that.

Established science, having a lot at stake with gene theory (the theory that all traits are predetermined by our genes) and are doing their level best to suppress and discredit new information. Big shocker, huh?

In short, if gene theory were 100% true, we should already have cures for things like cancer and all sorts of other diseases and maladies, many ‘hereditary’. Why do we not then? Hint it’s not (only) because big pharma wants you in their pockets.
Referring to many of these scientific theories as an orthodoxy is accurate as it is a hot button to piss some people off.


Free Gobekle tepe. What is the WEF covering up there. Save the digging for future generations. Ya....

Makes you wonder about the guy they put in charge of Egyptian antiquities and historic sights. He has been keeping people out of lots of places. Newly discovered chambers. Na there's water down there. Unexplorable.

I wish I could remember the name of guy who was black balled for digging past the clovis layer and finding. Gasp, stuff older than clovis.

Did the Indians mine all that copper out the great lakes area? Like enough to supply the bronze age. 🤔

Sure would have been cool to see all those Aztec books the Spanish burned.
 
Yes, I guess so. Darwinism, which led to current gene theory is being challenged by a number of scientists now, who are finding that nature does not necessarily follow the “rules” that have been generally accepted for over 100 years now. There’s more to it than that.

Established science, having a lot at stake with gene theory (the theory that all traits are predetermined by our genes) and are doing their level best to suppress and discredit new information. Big shocker, huh?

In short, if gene theory were 100% true, we should already have cures for things like cancer and all sorts of other diseases and maladies, many ‘hereditary’. Why do we not then? Hint it’s not (only) because big pharma wants you in their pockets.
Established science stands to lose a lot of their funding if they cure anything. They know this, and likely already have many cures.
 
Established science stands to lose a lot of their funding if they cure anything. They know this, and likely already have many cures.
While I know this has absolutely occurred and it may be rampant in the scientific community, all of those that are serious scientists cannot be suppressed. I happen to know a couple that are very serious about their research and are not ever going to be morally compromised.

I think that it might be simplistic to ascribe everything to that reasoning.

The article proposes that one factor that’s holding up real discoveries is the blinders that pure Darwinism and Gene Theory have placed on the scientific community.

There’s no question in my mind that many discoveries are covered up and mis-identified in order to enrich or assure control by those that have that capability.
 
Evolution is hilarious. It starts at the apex of organisms - a single celled organism that can self replicate and can live in the harshest environments and "evolves" into something that can die easier and not survive in the climates the original organism could.
And why have no subspecies of apes been discovered walking around in white sneakers and smoking kool filter kings?
 
Excellent article. This is a very brief scientific article for those that hate reading and learning new stuff…

The established scientific community of today is acting exactly like the established scientific community did to Darwin during his time. Most scientists are no different than other people when resisting change.


The status quo is such an enemy to progress and always has been. I have heard the same is happening in astrophysics and bio-engineering.

Mankind goes through periods of rapid growth fueled by unfettered imagination and invention, then stagnation for long periods of time. Until something or someone(s) make break through discoveries that can't be denied. We are currently in a period of stagnation, in more than one way.
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“Where are all the genetic cures?” asks Denis Noble, a frustrated biophysicist, Royal Society fellow and pioneer of the field of systems biology. “They don’t exist. Where will they be? They won’t exist.” Since mapping the human genome in 2003, research priorities and funding shifted significantly towards genetics. The investment improved disease detection and management but failed to deliver on its promise of cures for our most common deadly diseases like heart disease, type 2 diabetes, Alzheimer’s and most cancers. Compounding the issue, a large-scale, 2023 study concluded that genetic risk scores perform poorly at predicting who’s going to develop common diseases. For Noble, the billions invested annually in genetic research represents less of a strategy and more of a scientific confusion—that we are our genes.


The scientific story of who we are is a reductionist, gene-centric model that forfeits natural phenomena like purpose due to its association with intelligent design and a transcendent, intelligent designer. Noble is neutral on religious matters. Yet he sees compelling evidence that purpose may be fundamental to life. He’s determined to debunk the current scientific paradigm and replace the elevated importance of genes with something much more controversial. His efforts have enraged many of his peers but gained support from the next generation of origins-of-life researchers working to topple the reign of gene-centrism. If successful, the shift could not only transform how we classify, study and treat disease, but what it means to be alive.

Emergent Heart Beats

One of the earliest biomedical computer programmers, Noble created the first model for a working human heart in 1960 on a vacuum tube computer. The project led to his discovery that heartbeats are emergent properties—new phenomena—arising from feedback loops, transforming our understanding of heart function and underpin treatments for heart conditions that we use today. His research on the heart’s pacemaker demonstrates a prioritization of the organism as a whole over its genes alone. “Several genes could individually be knocked out but the process continues,” says Noble. These genes are responsible for heart rhythm, yet other mechanisms can take over to get the job done.

In the 1960s, Noble served as the dissertation examiner for the then-unknown Richard Dawkins. Dawkins—a prominent figure in the New Atheism movement—would go on to author the 1976 classic The Selfish Gene that popularized the gene-centric theory of evolution. Gene-centrism says evolution acts on genes, not individual organisms. We are merely vessels for our genes that are driving evolution by Darwinian natural selection. Noble's analysis suggests that evolution acts on the organism as a whole, with the organism harnessing randomness and variation to create and heal itself—on purpose. In this re-evaluation, Noble believes that purpose, creativity, and innovation are fundamental to evolution. He argues that we experience these processes as drives, but they are not purely subjective. They also progress non-consciously in other parts of our body. These natural processes harness randomness and unpredictability—stochasticity—to survive, make decisions, and thrive. “Stochasticity is the center of creativity in organisms,” says Noble.

Evolution on Purpose

Noble’s formal training is in cellular electrophysiology, the study of the differences in electrical charges inside and outside of a cell membrane. He suspects that crevices of ancient rocks served as cradles for emergent self-sustaining systems. Eventually, membranes evolved from lipid-coated bubbles, replacing the fissures in rocks as containers for these emergent systems. This gave rise to the first living entity—a single-celled organism. According to Noble, the constraints of a cell’s membrane and the restriction of freedom of molecules inside a cell, made purpose both possible and necessary. This development required a sort of intention or cognition within emergent networks of molecules to create and sustain biological functions.

Reinterpreting Existing Evidence

Noble sees evidence of purposive and intentional evolution in our immune response to viruses. Detection of the invader triggers a flurry of rapid mutations in the genes of B cells, creating a legion of gene variants. These variants are antibodies, the most effective of which are deployed to combat the virus. In a defensive assault, the immune system self-modifies its own DNA. “It changes the genome. Not supposed to be possible,” says Noble. “Happens all the time.”
The Future of Evolution
Noble is part of The Third Way, a movement in evolutionary biology that views natural selection as part of a holistic, organism-centered process. He co-authored Evolution “on Purpose," published by MIT Press in 2023, which argues that organisms evolve with intention.
Recent research calls into question whether genetic mutations are even entirely random. A 2022 study in Nature shows a mutation biassupporting the organism as a whole. Noble doesn’t understand why studies like these aren’t making bigger waves. “Do you, you people working in gene-centric biology, do you realize what has already been published?” asks an incredulous Noble.

This is one of his central criticisms of Richard Dawkins, whom Noble dubs the primary exponent of gene-centrism. Dawkins is one of the world’s foremost science communicators. Noble considers Dawkins an exceptional writer who simply hasn’t kept up with the science. When asked for comment, Dawkins responded, “I have a whole chapter dealing with Denis Noble in my next book, The Genetic Book of the Dead. It will be available in September.”

Where Evolution Went Wrong

Noble attributes our legacy of missteps to rigid assumptions put in place over a century ago to stand in for a lack of evidence. Darwin’s namesake theory of evolution by natural selection was first published in 1859. This slow process alters instructions to build an organism only through genetic mechanisms like random mutations and recombination that get passed down to offspring.

Near the end of his life, Darwin was corresponding with physiologist George Romanes, exploring additional mechanisms of inheritance and the role of physiology. Despite Darwin’s broadening views, his theory was scaled back posthumously. Following Darwin’s death in 1882, biologist and ‘Neo-Darwinist’ August Weismann promulgated the idea of a one-way barrier cordoning off reproductive cells from the rest of the body. This barrier required that reproductive cells were the sole vehicles for inheritance. Neo-Darwinists would go on to revive a theory of genes and genetic recombination. Mendelian genetics with Darwin’s natural selection were synthesized. The reproductive cells became the housing for genes which ascended to the centerpiece for evolution.
In 1894 at age 46, Romanes died of a cerebral hemorrhage. And so died the lone voice advocating for Darwin’s ultimate views—views of evolution which emphasized more complexity and physiology. Noble suspects if Romanes had survived, we may have avoided a gene-centric paradigm paralysis. Instead, Noble feels “our genetic hope is more about faith than facts.”

Mortality And A New Biology

Noble is urgently reviving and expanding on Darwin and Romanes. Last month, a special edition of The Journal of Physiology, co-edited by Noble and Michael Joyner of the Mayo Clinic, featured 21 articles challenging current evolutionary theory and advocating for the inclusion of phenomena like agency and cognition.

These articles corroborate the general theme that Genes Are Not The Blueprint For Life, the title of Noble’s review in the journal Nature,heralding science writer Philip Ball’s primer How Life Works: A User’s Guide to The New Biology. Ball, a former editor of Nature, admonishes the life sciences for ignoring obvious natural properties of living systems like agency and purpose because of “quasi-mystical” associations with intelligent design. In the book, Ball illustrates the resistance to letting go of the “tidy tale” of gene-centrism and the idea that genes control health more than “‘a bit’ and ‘somewhat’.” Like Noble, Ball is advocating for a new biology.

Noble’s urgency is more than academic. “This is critical to the future of health care,” says Noble, who feels the public is paying the ultimate price for gene-centrism. “I face the same problem as many other people face,” says Noble. “Families having to deal with serious illness, with social care that costs more than you can ever afford. I've been through all of that. I know what it does to families.” He considers it a foregone conclusion that aging populations will strain health systems to the point of rupture if we continue with gene-centrism.

The Critics

Noble’s critics worry that entertaining religion-adjacent views subverts established science and the entire scientific project. But Noble’s research doesn’t challenge the scientific method. It challenges a scientific epoch marked by a purely mechanistic view of nature that coincided with the Industrial Revolution and age of mechanization. Noble appreciates concerns raised by skeptics, yet refuses to exclude natural phenomena from scientific inquiry.

Noble’s critics also accuse him of exaggerating the importance of physiology, while Noble insists physiology has been unjustly sidelined since Darwin. “Physiology now has to come to the rescue of evolutionary biology,” says Noble.

Another objection is that Noble is contesting a theory of evolution that has since been revised to address new evidence. For Noble, this is exactly his point. New evidence doesn’t merely refine the theory, it undermines it.

Biology’s existential crisis reached a flashpoint in 2016, when Noble and a group of scientists and philosophers organized a conference on New Trends in Evolutionary Biology with the Royal Society of London. Royal Society members petitioned—unsuccessfully—to kill it. The protest letter (Royal Society member Richard Dawkins’ signature was noticeably absent) read “...we wish to express our concern that this meeting will severely damage the reputation of the Society among the worldwide community of evolutionary biologists (it has already attracted adverse comments among colleagues in the USA).”

They never name their U.S. colleagues, although American biologist and prominent anti-creationist, Jerry Coyne uses words like "stupid," "rotten" and “blundering tyro” in his public condemnation of Noble. Canadian biologist Laurence A. Moran echoes Coyne’s outrage adding, “It's difficult not to be very angry at people like Denis Noble.” Moran writes that if science was working properly, Noble would “fade into the woodwork of the Senior Common Room at some college in Oxford.” It’s true Noble didn’t raise serious objections to evolutionary theory until after he retired as Chair of Cardiovascular Physiology at the University of Oxford in 2004. He says “coming out” would have invariably damaged the reputation and careers of the research team in his lab.


The Next GeneRation

“We need to shame them. I'm sorry, but we do,” says bioengineer and origins-of-life scientist Joana Xavier about Noble’s caustic critics. Xavier, a next-generation evolutionary theorist, resents “bullying” from prominent scientists that shuts down young biologists and stymies scientific progress. She and her peers have new tools and fresh perspectives, yet Xavier says their academic careers are jeopardized by demeaning attacks.

Xavier’s research made headlines for her discovery of emergent, cooperative networks of molecules that mutually catalyze each other's formation in ancient bacteria. These systems were first theorized by complexity scientist, Stuart Kauffman, as a candidate for the origins-of-life story that challenges gene-centrism. Xavier studied under Noble and Kauffman before launching the Origin of Life Early-Career Network (OoLEN) with over 200 young, interdisciplinary researchers from around the world. This group co-authored an inaugural scientific paper The Future of Origin of Life Research: Bridging Decades-Old Divisions.

Xavier has identified another indication of intention at the cellular level of emergent systems: cooperation. She doesn’t understand why it’s acceptable to think of evolution as competitive but evidence of cooperation is considered taboo. “I think to solve life's origins, we'll need to look much more at cooperation. And emergence really brings cooperation into the scene, whether you want it or not,” says Xavier, who also sees creativity as fundamental to life. “It's so obvious, you either accept that it is true that life is creative or you don't.”

Xavier says her field is at an inflection point with gene-centrism holding back progress in health and medicine. “I think we’re completely stuck,” says Xavier. She’s actively pushing in a new direction even if she has to leave academia for the private sector to do it. “The gene-centric paradigm,” says Xavier, “That has to go. It's urgent.”

These days, Noble is surrounded by young researchers eager to reopen the case of evolution. “I have young people helping me with all of this because, believe me, I can't do all of this on my own,” says Noble. Creativity, purpose and organism-centered evolution are still only postulates that need rigorous testing. Noble is eager to explore both his theory and others. With theories of who we are, how we heal, and how we came to exist, Noble stresses “we should have more than one horse in the race.”
no opinion at all but looks like a must read book.
 
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Not a single thing in my home could be taken apart, thrown into a cement mixer, spun around for a millennia and come out reassembled perfectly!

And as far as the “Big Bang”, we here know better than most what occurs from an explosion! And it is NOT assembling parts and pieces. Its pure destruction!
That was one of the funny thoughts for me. Evolutionists and deniers of a creator saying, no, there was no "In the beginning."

Okay, so was it all steady state and just here?

"No, the Universe started with a big bang."

What was before the big bang?

"Nothing."

Wait - wha?
 
Mike Judge - Idiocracy.

It was a very interesting article though. If you just drop all your preconceived notions and accept yet another different perspective, it causes you to think about the possibilities.

You don't have to accept it as settled, just consider it as a possibility.

Thanks for the intellectual challenge. (I would have said intellectual stimulation, but this is the Pit after all)
 
This isn’t the theory at all and you are making fun of your own belief without even realizing it. The something from nothing is what creationists believe. There was nothing and then god created everything. The big bang theory states there was everything and then it expanded. I don’t know either way. There may be a creator or there may not be.
Not exactly. Direct observation with the deep space scopes only let us "see" back so far. About 13.6 billion years or so. This allows us to see the "early" universe but not the origin. The concept of the big bang is really grounded in the fact that the universe is expanding (under some recent debate) and therefore it is extrapolated to then have a single origin aka a singularity. Its just math and some supporting data, but nothing definitive through direct observation or experiment. Mathematicians then basically fill in the holes with theories that somewhat work on paper, but also require a "leap of faith" for that last mile. This since all of our current understanding breaks down when the singularity runs up to infinite mass and thus infinite space time curvature....
 
Not exactly. Direct observation with the deep space scopes only let us "see" back so far. About 13.6 billion years or so. This allows us to see the "early" universe but not the origin. The concept of the big bang is really grounded in the fact that the universe is expanding (under some recent debate) and therefore it is extrapolated to then have a single origin aka a singularity. Its just math and some supporting data, but nothing definitive through direct observation or experiment. Mathematicians then basically fill in the holes with theories that somewhat work on paper, but also require a "leap of faith" for that last mile. This since all of our current understanding breaks down when the singularity runs up to infinite mass and thus infinite space time curvature....
I was condensing the explanation to be as short as possible. Yours is more informative though. You must have quoted me just before I deleted my post. I decided not to take part in the conversation although you committed me now didn’t you. 😂
 
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I was condensing the explanation to be as short as possible. Yours is more informative though. You must have quoted me just before I deleted my post. I decided not to take part in the conversation although you committed me now didn’t you. 😂
I can delete if you want bro, I just think it's a common misconception among many (not saying you) that the big bang is settled science. It's really accepted science but hardly settled. Not to even mention of what existed before the big bang. We can't possibly know today (off paper) and maybe never will unless we bridge the gap with relativity and quantum theory. Again, our current understanding "shits itself" with extremely high mass (singularities) and low mass (sub-sub atomic particles) "objects". Works great to land on Mars though :).

It is a possibility that nothing existed before the big bang, or..., something (or as you suggested, everything)....

Eta: I have previously mentioned, the more I dig, the more "design" makes sense. You can draw from there.
 
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I can delete if you want bro, i think it's a misconception among many (not saying you) that the big bang is settled science. Its really accepted science but hardly settled. Not to even mention of what existed before the big bang. We cant possibly know today and maybe never will unless we bridge the gap with relativity and quantum theory. It is a possibility that nothing existed before the big bang, or..., something (or as you suggested, everything)....
No, it’s fine. You don’t need to delete your quote. 😂

To piggy back off of your thought, the big bang is the beginning of time as we understand it. To wonder what happened before the big bang is to wonder what happened before time started. It’s a concept that cannot begin to be understood. Maybe some day.
 
No, it’s fine. You don’t need to delete your quote. 😂

To piggy back off of your thought, the big bang is the beginning of time as we understand it. To wonder what happened before the big bang is to wonder what happened before time started. It’s a concept that cannot begin to be understood. Maybe some day.

I believe hawking was one the people to poster the belief that its irrlevent to ask the question, simply because...well time didnt exist (so says me)...Seemed it initially gained traction and some of the "experts" still hold that view. In my personal opinion following logic (not math), it seems awfully close to not being disprovable ;)

I assume then, that the theologists and philosophers can weigh-in on this as well. Not sure its contrary to their view or supportive..., probably both in some cases.
 
I believe hawking was one the people to poster the belief that its irrlevent to ask the question, simply because...well time didnt exist (so says me)...Seemed it initially gained traction and some of the "experts" still hold that view. In my personal opinion following logic (not math), it seems awfully close to not being disprovable ;)

I assume then, that the theologists and philosophers can weigh-in on this as well. Not sure its contrary to their view or supportive..., probably both in some cases.
I think it’s more of the notion that time didn’t exist as it is comprehended by man. I think the most honest answer is simply “I don’t know”. I’m not versed enough to argue one way or another. Interesting stuff to think about though.
 
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I think it’s more of the notion that time didn’t exist as it is comprehended by man. I think the most honest answer is simply “I don’t know”.
Probably an honest answer for an agnostic type (not saying you). Sort of takes a "leap of failth" or "belief" to go from there...no matter what direction you choose (free will?).

Einstein wanted an infinite universe...it solves "issues"...lol.
 
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Probably an honest answer for an agnostic type (not saying you). Sort of takes a "leap of failth" or "belief" to go from there...

Einstein wanted an infinite universe...it solves "issues"...lol.
I fall into the agnostic category I suppose. I think there may or may not be a creator. I don’t know. What I don’t believe in is the god of the bible or any other god of any holy book, ancient or not. Those god concepts come with far to much baggage to be believable.

I think the idea of an infinite universe is more probable than the idea of an infinite super natural being. At least the universe we all agree exists. I’m not certain either way.
 
I fall into the agnostic category I suppose. I think there may or may not be a creator. I don’t know. What I don’t believe in is the god of the bible or any other god of any holy book, ancient or not. Those god concepts come with far to much baggage to be believable.

I think the idea of an infinite universe is more probable than the idea of an infinite super natural being. At least the universe we all agree exists. I’m not certain either way.

Yes, we do have free will, or the appearance of, anyways. Im not trying to convince anyone of either "side"...just talking about what we don't know...
 
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Michael Behe wrote "Darwin's Black Box," suggesting similarly.

About 20-25 years ago. It was denounced as overtly religious and quasi-scientific.

I don't think a biophysicist would know specially one way or another. It's a strange field that plays with math more than anything else. A comparative biology specialist would be best equipped to observe these matters, but you're not going to impress readers/listeners/viewers with Comparative Biologist as easily as with Biophysicist. Physics is the buzz-topic of the 21st C and any "_______-physicist" will woo the audience just with the suffix.

Anyone who doubts evolution should spend some time studying biology at the comparative level. Things become very hard to ignore when you compare all the similarities among various living organisms, and their adaptability or not (amphibian or land or water; hot mild or cold climate/environment). Even plants show similar lineages and diversions for suitability/adaptation.
 
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Excellent article. This is a very brief scientific article for those that hate reading and learning new stuff…

The established scientific community of today is acting exactly like the established scientific community did to Darwin during his time. Most scientists are no different than other people when resisting change.


The status quo is such an enemy to progress and always has been. I have heard the same is happening in astrophysics and bio-engineering.

Mankind goes through periods of rapid growth fueled by unfettered imagination and invention, then stagnation for long periods of time. Until something or someone(s) make break through discoveries that can't be denied. We are currently in a period of stagnation, in more than one way.
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“Where are all the genetic cures?” asks Denis Noble, a frustrated biophysicist, Royal Society fellow and pioneer of the field of systems biology. “They don’t exist. Where will they be? They won’t exist.” Since mapping the human genome in 2003, research priorities and funding shifted significantly towards genetics. The investment improved disease detection and management but failed to deliver on its promise of cures for our most common deadly diseases like heart disease, type 2 diabetes, Alzheimer’s and most cancers. Compounding the issue, a large-scale, 2023 study concluded that genetic risk scores perform poorly at predicting who’s going to develop common diseases. For Noble, the billions invested annually in genetic research represents less of a strategy and more of a scientific confusion—that we are our genes.


The scientific story of who we are is a reductionist, gene-centric model that forfeits natural phenomena like purpose due to its association with intelligent design and a transcendent, intelligent designer. Noble is neutral on religious matters. Yet he sees compelling evidence that purpose may be fundamental to life. He’s determined to debunk the current scientific paradigm and replace the elevated importance of genes with something much more controversial. His efforts have enraged many of his peers but gained support from the next generation of origins-of-life researchers working to topple the reign of gene-centrism. If successful, the shift could not only transform how we classify, study and treat disease, but what it means to be alive.

Emergent Heart Beats

One of the earliest biomedical computer programmers, Noble created the first model for a working human heart in 1960 on a vacuum tube computer. The project led to his discovery that heartbeats are emergent properties—new phenomena—arising from feedback loops, transforming our understanding of heart function and underpin treatments for heart conditions that we use today. His research on the heart’s pacemaker demonstrates a prioritization of the organism as a whole over its genes alone. “Several genes could individually be knocked out but the process continues,” says Noble. These genes are responsible for heart rhythm, yet other mechanisms can take over to get the job done.

In the 1960s, Noble served as the dissertation examiner for the then-unknown Richard Dawkins. Dawkins—a prominent figure in the New Atheism movement—would go on to author the 1976 classic The Selfish Gene that popularized the gene-centric theory of evolution. Gene-centrism says evolution acts on genes, not individual organisms. We are merely vessels for our genes that are driving evolution by Darwinian natural selection. Noble's analysis suggests that evolution acts on the organism as a whole, with the organism harnessing randomness and variation to create and heal itself—on purpose. In this re-evaluation, Noble believes that purpose, creativity, and innovation are fundamental to evolution. He argues that we experience these processes as drives, but they are not purely subjective. They also progress non-consciously in other parts of our body. These natural processes harness randomness and unpredictability—stochasticity—to survive, make decisions, and thrive. “Stochasticity is the center of creativity in organisms,” says Noble.

Evolution on Purpose

Noble’s formal training is in cellular electrophysiology, the study of the differences in electrical charges inside and outside of a cell membrane. He suspects that crevices of ancient rocks served as cradles for emergent self-sustaining systems. Eventually, membranes evolved from lipid-coated bubbles, replacing the fissures in rocks as containers for these emergent systems. This gave rise to the first living entity—a single-celled organism. According to Noble, the constraints of a cell’s membrane and the restriction of freedom of molecules inside a cell, made purpose both possible and necessary. This development required a sort of intention or cognition within emergent networks of molecules to create and sustain biological functions.

Reinterpreting Existing Evidence

Noble sees evidence of purposive and intentional evolution in our immune response to viruses. Detection of the invader triggers a flurry of rapid mutations in the genes of B cells, creating a legion of gene variants. These variants are antibodies, the most effective of which are deployed to combat the virus. In a defensive assault, the immune system self-modifies its own DNA. “It changes the genome. Not supposed to be possible,” says Noble. “Happens all the time.”
The Future of Evolution
Noble is part of The Third Way, a movement in evolutionary biology that views natural selection as part of a holistic, organism-centered process. He co-authored Evolution “on Purpose," published by MIT Press in 2023, which argues that organisms evolve with intention.
Recent research calls into question whether genetic mutations are even entirely random. A 2022 study in Nature shows a mutation biassupporting the organism as a whole. Noble doesn’t understand why studies like these aren’t making bigger waves. “Do you, you people working in gene-centric biology, do you realize what has already been published?” asks an incredulous Noble.

This is one of his central criticisms of Richard Dawkins, whom Noble dubs the primary exponent of gene-centrism. Dawkins is one of the world’s foremost science communicators. Noble considers Dawkins an exceptional writer who simply hasn’t kept up with the science. When asked for comment, Dawkins responded, “I have a whole chapter dealing with Denis Noble in my next book, The Genetic Book of the Dead. It will be available in September.”

Where Evolution Went Wrong

Noble attributes our legacy of missteps to rigid assumptions put in place over a century ago to stand in for a lack of evidence. Darwin’s namesake theory of evolution by natural selection was first published in 1859. This slow process alters instructions to build an organism only through genetic mechanisms like random mutations and recombination that get passed down to offspring.

Near the end of his life, Darwin was corresponding with physiologist George Romanes, exploring additional mechanisms of inheritance and the role of physiology. Despite Darwin’s broadening views, his theory was scaled back posthumously. Following Darwin’s death in 1882, biologist and ‘Neo-Darwinist’ August Weismann promulgated the idea of a one-way barrier cordoning off reproductive cells from the rest of the body. This barrier required that reproductive cells were the sole vehicles for inheritance. Neo-Darwinists would go on to revive a theory of genes and genetic recombination. Mendelian genetics with Darwin’s natural selection were synthesized. The reproductive cells became the housing for genes which ascended to the centerpiece for evolution.
In 1894 at age 46, Romanes died of a cerebral hemorrhage. And so died the lone voice advocating for Darwin’s ultimate views—views of evolution which emphasized more complexity and physiology. Noble suspects if Romanes had survived, we may have avoided a gene-centric paradigm paralysis. Instead, Noble feels “our genetic hope is more about faith than facts.”

Mortality And A New Biology

Noble is urgently reviving and expanding on Darwin and Romanes. Last month, a special edition of The Journal of Physiology, co-edited by Noble and Michael Joyner of the Mayo Clinic, featured 21 articles challenging current evolutionary theory and advocating for the inclusion of phenomena like agency and cognition.

These articles corroborate the general theme that Genes Are Not The Blueprint For Life, the title of Noble’s review in the journal Nature,heralding science writer Philip Ball’s primer How Life Works: A User’s Guide to The New Biology. Ball, a former editor of Nature, admonishes the life sciences for ignoring obvious natural properties of living systems like agency and purpose because of “quasi-mystical” associations with intelligent design. In the book, Ball illustrates the resistance to letting go of the “tidy tale” of gene-centrism and the idea that genes control health more than “‘a bit’ and ‘somewhat’.” Like Noble, Ball is advocating for a new biology.

Noble’s urgency is more than academic. “This is critical to the future of health care,” says Noble, who feels the public is paying the ultimate price for gene-centrism. “I face the same problem as many other people face,” says Noble. “Families having to deal with serious illness, with social care that costs more than you can ever afford. I've been through all of that. I know what it does to families.” He considers it a foregone conclusion that aging populations will strain health systems to the point of rupture if we continue with gene-centrism.

The Critics

Noble’s critics worry that entertaining religion-adjacent views subverts established science and the entire scientific project. But Noble’s research doesn’t challenge the scientific method. It challenges a scientific epoch marked by a purely mechanistic view of nature that coincided with the Industrial Revolution and age of mechanization. Noble appreciates concerns raised by skeptics, yet refuses to exclude natural phenomena from scientific inquiry.

Noble’s critics also accuse him of exaggerating the importance of physiology, while Noble insists physiology has been unjustly sidelined since Darwin. “Physiology now has to come to the rescue of evolutionary biology,” says Noble.

Another objection is that Noble is contesting a theory of evolution that has since been revised to address new evidence. For Noble, this is exactly his point. New evidence doesn’t merely refine the theory, it undermines it.

Biology’s existential crisis reached a flashpoint in 2016, when Noble and a group of scientists and philosophers organized a conference on New Trends in Evolutionary Biology with the Royal Society of London. Royal Society members petitioned—unsuccessfully—to kill it. The protest letter (Royal Society member Richard Dawkins’ signature was noticeably absent) read “...we wish to express our concern that this meeting will severely damage the reputation of the Society among the worldwide community of evolutionary biologists (it has already attracted adverse comments among colleagues in the USA).”

They never name their U.S. colleagues, although American biologist and prominent anti-creationist, Jerry Coyne uses words like "stupid," "rotten" and “blundering tyro” in his public condemnation of Noble. Canadian biologist Laurence A. Moran echoes Coyne’s outrage adding, “It's difficult not to be very angry at people like Denis Noble.” Moran writes that if science was working properly, Noble would “fade into the woodwork of the Senior Common Room at some college in Oxford.” It’s true Noble didn’t raise serious objections to evolutionary theory until after he retired as Chair of Cardiovascular Physiology at the University of Oxford in 2004. He says “coming out” would have invariably damaged the reputation and careers of the research team in his lab.


The Next GeneRation

“We need to shame them. I'm sorry, but we do,” says bioengineer and origins-of-life scientist Joana Xavier about Noble’s caustic critics. Xavier, a next-generation evolutionary theorist, resents “bullying” from prominent scientists that shuts down young biologists and stymies scientific progress. She and her peers have new tools and fresh perspectives, yet Xavier says their academic careers are jeopardized by demeaning attacks.

Xavier’s research made headlines for her discovery of emergent, cooperative networks of molecules that mutually catalyze each other's formation in ancient bacteria. These systems were first theorized by complexity scientist, Stuart Kauffman, as a candidate for the origins-of-life story that challenges gene-centrism. Xavier studied under Noble and Kauffman before launching the Origin of Life Early-Career Network (OoLEN) with over 200 young, interdisciplinary researchers from around the world. This group co-authored an inaugural scientific paper The Future of Origin of Life Research: Bridging Decades-Old Divisions.

Xavier has identified another indication of intention at the cellular level of emergent systems: cooperation. She doesn’t understand why it’s acceptable to think of evolution as competitive but evidence of cooperation is considered taboo. “I think to solve life's origins, we'll need to look much more at cooperation. And emergence really brings cooperation into the scene, whether you want it or not,” says Xavier, who also sees creativity as fundamental to life. “It's so obvious, you either accept that it is true that life is creative or you don't.”

Xavier says her field is at an inflection point with gene-centrism holding back progress in health and medicine. “I think we’re completely stuck,” says Xavier. She’s actively pushing in a new direction even if she has to leave academia for the private sector to do it. “The gene-centric paradigm,” says Xavier, “That has to go. It's urgent.”

These days, Noble is surrounded by young researchers eager to reopen the case of evolution. “I have young people helping me with all of this because, believe me, I can't do all of this on my own,” says Noble. Creativity, purpose and organism-centered evolution are still only postulates that need rigorous testing. Noble is eager to explore both his theory and others. With theories of who we are, how we heal, and how we came to exist, Noble stresses “we should have more than one horse in the race.”
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Oh yeah? I see your Forbes article and raise one of a few books written by Michael J. Behe.

"Darwin Devolves: The New Science about DNA that Challenges Evolution."

Some basic concepts about evolution at the microbio level. Also, he has written another book about things as irreducibly complex as the motor (electron microscopic pics show cogs with gear teeth) motors that drive the flagella of a bacterium.

And yeah it pisses the "God doesn't exist" crowd right the hell off.

I find that to be delicious, if it were a dessert.
Darwin’s Black Box by Behe is must read.
 
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