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F T/R Competition F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds
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Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards
Follow the paper trail. The man who ran the 2011 FCN is also running the 2012 FCN, and IIRC the 2013 FCN along with the World Championship. He's also on the Highpower Board...
I thought they are the F-Class Nationals, not the F-Open Nationals.
Follow the paper trail. The man who ran the 2011 FCN is also running the 2012 FCN, and IIRC the 2013 FCN along with the World Championship. He's also on the Highpower Board...
I thought they are the F-Class Nationals, not the F-Open Nationals.
Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards
Here's a silly question from a sling-and-irons shooter who has no dog in the fight (heck, for conventional prone shooters, there is no mid-range championship, only a long-range one: 1000 yards only, other than the Palma days)
What's wrong with a trigger pulling contest? Why is that a derogatory term? I can certainly understand wanting to have an F-class Long Range championship, focusing on the range where there's the most separation in the scores. But there's also something to be said for the "easy" stages that so brutally punish mistakes, even if the outcome matters less to the total aggregate. (If the top shooters are all clean or nearly so, a 9 is a much more serious mistake than when everyone's dropping points)
So, I can see the arguments either way, and, like I said, I have no dog in that fight... but why the disdain for "trigger pulling contests"?
Here's a silly question from a sling-and-irons shooter who has no dog in the fight (heck, for conventional prone shooters, there is no mid-range championship, only a long-range one: 1000 yards only, other than the Palma days)
What's wrong with a trigger pulling contest? Why is that a derogatory term? I can certainly understand wanting to have an F-class Long Range championship, focusing on the range where there's the most separation in the scores. But there's also something to be said for the "easy" stages that so brutally punish mistakes, even if the outcome matters less to the total aggregate. (If the top shooters are all clean or nearly so, a 9 is a much more serious mistake than when everyone's dropping points)
So, I can see the arguments either way, and, like I said, I have no dog in that fight... but why the disdain for "trigger pulling contests"?
Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards
I must say that this change in the course of fire is very frustrating to me! I love 600 yards and it is not a trigger pulling contest! It would be like short range BR getting rid of 100 yard competition. GUESS WHAT you can win or lose at 600 or 1000 yards. IMHO this is ridiculous! I have promoted in and out F-Class and provided thousands in discounts and prizes to F-Class! Why was I not asked or other sponsors/competitiors, why were only a select "FEW" only given the opportunity to speak? If it was truly about the World COF then we would have changed to 800, 900, 1000. Just my opinion! F-Class is being taken in the wrong direction IMO, it is an individual sport until team matches and the worlds. There should be NO one caliber to shoot on the team and there should not be only a 1K yard nationals.
Saddens me to say but this is just the typical political bullcrap that pushes competitors away! I myself will not shoot F-Class this year, I’m sick of the good ol' boys club and the panty wadders that lose and can't take it.
There was a point made on another forum to shoot Fullbore if you wanna shoot 600 yards, sorry but I'm not a sling guy.
Oh and BTW I think I will just shoot the New NBRSA F-Bench class and it may just take over! Everyone should check it out, they shoot 600 and 1K yards off a bench, with the same course of fire as F-Class (well what it used to be)!
I must say that this change in the course of fire is very frustrating to me! I love 600 yards and it is not a trigger pulling contest! It would be like short range BR getting rid of 100 yard competition. GUESS WHAT you can win or lose at 600 or 1000 yards. IMHO this is ridiculous! I have promoted in and out F-Class and provided thousands in discounts and prizes to F-Class! Why was I not asked or other sponsors/competitiors, why were only a select "FEW" only given the opportunity to speak? If it was truly about the World COF then we would have changed to 800, 900, 1000. Just my opinion! F-Class is being taken in the wrong direction IMO, it is an individual sport until team matches and the worlds. There should be NO one caliber to shoot on the team and there should not be only a 1K yard nationals.
Saddens me to say but this is just the typical political bullcrap that pushes competitors away! I myself will not shoot F-Class this year, I’m sick of the good ol' boys club and the panty wadders that lose and can't take it.
There was a point made on another forum to shoot Fullbore if you wanna shoot 600 yards, sorry but I'm not a sling guy.
Oh and BTW I think I will just shoot the New NBRSA F-Bench class and it may just take over! Everyone should check it out, they shoot 600 and 1K yards off a bench, with the same course of fire as F-Class (well what it used to be)!
Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards
Ian F-Class is run in conjunction with Fullbore matches, same as what's done in Highpower. The only difference is that you'll shoot 300, 500 and 600 yard strings on the same day.
Ian F-Class is run in conjunction with Fullbore matches, same as what's done in Highpower. The only difference is that you'll shoot 300, 500 and 600 yard strings on the same day.
Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards
Who was it that decied to make the change??? I dont shoot F class alot but enough to be interested in the sports future , Ive shot in a couple of Nationals and the 600 Yard event was alot of guys favorite event. I personally like both events, I hate to see things change becouse a select few deem it nessesary. To me a poll of the last 3 Nationals atendee's would have been better with 60 percent needed to make the change
I think a Big Mistake was made!!!
Respectfuly
Who was it that decied to make the change??? I dont shoot F class alot but enough to be interested in the sports future , Ive shot in a couple of Nationals and the 600 Yard event was alot of guys favorite event. I personally like both events, I hate to see things change becouse a select few deem it nessesary. To me a poll of the last 3 Nationals atendee's would have been better with 60 percent needed to make the change
I think a Big Mistake was made!!!
Respectfuly
Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards
I'm new to F class and have only shot 1000yd matches.
I can see some people liking the 600yd over the 1k because they will more than likely have better scores at the closer distance.
I really hate to see a dicipline implode over the decisions of just a few shooters.
I've seen it happen several times over the years with other diciplines.
Now the "trigger pulling contest" comments. Isn't good shooting mainly about good trigger control?
There are other factory involved we all know that, but at the top levels of competition where everyone has the best equipment, skill in making the adjustments needed, knowledge only gained from experience practicing there dicipline, without superior trigger control/manupliation an individual will not win a match.
I'm new to F class and have only shot 1000yd matches.
I can see some people liking the 600yd over the 1k because they will more than likely have better scores at the closer distance.
I really hate to see a dicipline implode over the decisions of just a few shooters.
I've seen it happen several times over the years with other diciplines.
Now the "trigger pulling contest" comments. Isn't good shooting mainly about good trigger control?
There are other factory involved we all know that, but at the top levels of competition where everyone has the best equipment, skill in making the adjustments needed, knowledge only gained from experience practicing there dicipline, without superior trigger control/manupliation an individual will not win a match.
Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guess I'll be the lone voice of dissent then... </div></div>
Nope, not the only one- I kinda like 800, 900, and 1000...I don't quite understand the 600/1000 breakdown, but I'd definatly prefer it to 1000 exclusivly.
I guess the new COF is easier on the few open guys left who have to haul their gear w/o a golf cart
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guess I'll be the lone voice of dissent then... </div></div>
Nope, not the only one- I kinda like 800, 900, and 1000...I don't quite understand the 600/1000 breakdown, but I'd definatly prefer it to 1000 exclusivly.
I guess the new COF is easier on the few open guys left who have to haul their gear w/o a golf cart
Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards
I am not opposed to the decision, but can see the complaint that only a few may have driven the bus on the decision. I am lucky my home range as 200, 300, 600, 800, 900, and 1,000 yard lines for shooting everything and anything we want.
I would like to see 2 Nationals events (mid-range for 600 and shorter) and long range at 1,000. The NRA has 2 certifications mid-range (600 and shorter) and long range (includes events shot for Palma and 1,000 yard). Scores that I shoot in mid-range matches during the rest of the year do NOT affect my long range rating or vice-versa. I fail to see why a single relay/match shot during the nationals event would be otherwise.
Jeffvn
I am not opposed to the decision, but can see the complaint that only a few may have driven the bus on the decision. I am lucky my home range as 200, 300, 600, 800, 900, and 1,000 yard lines for shooting everything and anything we want.
I would like to see 2 Nationals events (mid-range for 600 and shorter) and long range at 1,000. The NRA has 2 certifications mid-range (600 and shorter) and long range (includes events shot for Palma and 1,000 yard). Scores that I shoot in mid-range matches during the rest of the year do NOT affect my long range rating or vice-versa. I fail to see why a single relay/match shot during the nationals event would be otherwise.
Jeffvn
Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds
"I disagree that 600 yds is just a trigger pulling event, yes it is easier than 1000 yds but almost everyone has access to practice at 600 yards."
Amen to that. To fix it I would think that nobody would have a problem with two divisions.
Call the 600 yard event trigger pull, training wheel or whatever
, but the fact is 1k yard ranges are much more scarce than 600. I guess it's a good way to eliminate competitors.
Too bad
"I disagree that 600 yds is just a trigger pulling event, yes it is easier than 1000 yds but almost everyone has access to practice at 600 yards."
Amen to that. To fix it I would think that nobody would have a problem with two divisions.
Call the 600 yard event trigger pull, training wheel or whatever
, but the fact is 1k yard ranges are much more scarce than 600. I guess it's a good way to eliminate competitors.Too bad
Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who was it that decied to make the change??? I dont shoot F class alot but enough to be interested in the sports future , Ive shot in a couple of Nationals and the 600 Yard event was alot of guys favorite event. I personally like both events, I hate to see things change becouse a select few deem it nessesary. To me a poll of the last 3 Nationals atendee's would have been better with 60 percent needed to make the change
I think a Big Mistake was made!!!
Respectfuly </div></div>
George,
I doubt we will ever get the full story on who or why the 600 yd was eliminated from the Nationals. I wonder if the person that petitioned for this to take place will weigh in and explain it to us. If not, we'll always have in the back of our minds that it was done to eliminate the last team trophy won at the 2011 Nationals.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who was it that decied to make the change??? I dont shoot F class alot but enough to be interested in the sports future , Ive shot in a couple of Nationals and the 600 Yard event was alot of guys favorite event. I personally like both events, I hate to see things change becouse a select few deem it nessesary. To me a poll of the last 3 Nationals atendee's would have been better with 60 percent needed to make the change
I think a Big Mistake was made!!!
Respectfuly </div></div>
George,
I doubt we will ever get the full story on who or why the 600 yd was eliminated from the Nationals. I wonder if the person that petitioned for this to take place will weigh in and explain it to us. If not, we'll always have in the back of our minds that it was done to eliminate the last team trophy won at the 2011 Nationals.
