F T/R Competition F/TR Newbie

[Tempest 455]

My son is going to try this for the 1st time in 2 weeks. Just making a checklist of things before we go. He's a very good shot, very steady and good trigger control etc. We have been out to 800 yards and want to try a 1,000 match. Any tips are appreciated.

Here is where we are starting: Shooting a Savage 10BA (break removed). Rifle is zeroed at 400 yards currently. He shot .5 MOA group at 400 last time out. Will be using Black Hills 175 grain ammo. Match is 2x20, so I planned on bringing about 60 rounds, or should I bring more? Rifle has Harris bipod and will use rear sand bag. Looks like I need roughly 30 MOA for 1,000. He has a shooting mat for prone. Spotting scope is 45x and I tried it at 1,000 yard match as spectator and seemed to work fine.

We never have scored or been in the pits so this is all going to be new. Any other advice?

 

[Denys]

Re: F/TR Newbie

The 10BA thing, that's a .308 with the 24 inch barrel, right?

From 400 yards, coming up 9.5 MOA will get you to about 620 yards. Unless you are much above 5000feet ASL,you are going to need closer to 30 MOA to get to 1000 yards with the short barrel. I suggest you spend some quality time at JBM.

It's also doubtful you will make 1000 yards with the scope unless you have about 80MOA of total travel, the ramp on the rifle is 0MOA. To remedy that, look for Burris Signature Z-rings.

Ask for help at the match, inform the match director that you are new and have no clue about pit service. Follow directions, be safe and above all else, have fun.

 

[Tempest 455]

Re: F/TR Newbie

Sorry, yes 30 MOA. I was looking at windage w/ a 10 MPH cross wind. Sorry I knew better made a typo. I've spent a lot of time on JBM.

Scope has plenty of elevation. Like I said, we have shot at 800 before and I enough left.

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: F/TR Newbie

Below are links to a couple threads that might be helpful. Definitely go out and give it a try...talk to the other shooters while there (usually after the actual competition is finished works best) so you guys can learn some useful things for the next time out, and above all, have fun!

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3730621#Post3730621

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL668F7FE5E77137D4

Edited to add: don't hesitate to let the folks running the match know it's your first time at 1000 yd. They will usually be very helpful and can help you get on target during sighters for the first match.

 

[Denys]

Re: F/TR Newbie

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tempest 455</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, yes 30 MOA. I was looking at windage w/ a 10 MPH cross wind. Sorry I knew better made a typo. I've spent a lot of time on JBM.

Scope has plenty of elevation. Like I said, we have shot at 800 before and I enough left. </div></div>

Ok. Just remember that it's going to take at least another 10-11 MOA to get to 1000 from 800. Good luck and we look forward to a report.

 

[Tempest 455]

Re: F/TR Newbie

Thanks for the comments. I did let the guy running it know we would be new but will tell him again when we get there.

I will most certainly report how he did!

 

[Bill Larson]

Re: F/TR Newbie

Go and shoot it..... meet people...check out their equip.weigh your gun.it`s gotta weigh less than 17# ( check that )..each of you keep a note pad/short pencil in your pocket for ideas...and what you`d do different for the next match.
bill larson

 

[Al_Ski]

Re: F/TR Newbie

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it`s gotta weigh less than 17# ( check that ).</div></div>

18.2lbs for F-TR with bipod attached.

 

[Tempest 455]

Re: F/TR Newbie

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Denys</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tempest 455</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, yes 30 MOA. I was looking at windage w/ a 10 MPH cross wind. Sorry I knew better made a typo. I've spent a lot of time on JBM.

Scope has plenty of elevation. Like I said, we have shot at 800 before and I enough left. </div></div>

Ok. Just remember that it's going to take at least another 10-11 MOA to get to 1000 from 800. Good luck and we look forward to a report. </div></div>

OK here is the report. Never having done this before, we started off to a rough start getting on target. Had a DNF for 1st relay. However, once we did, he did a great job considering it was his 1st time and he's 14.

On the 2nd relay he started off with (2) 8's then (3) 9's in a row, a bunch more 8's, wind picked up and some 7's
a few more 8's and 9's and on the 2nd to last shot a X and scored a 162. Furthest he ever shot prior was 400 yards.

I thought the SWA Ammo 175g SMK were pretty consistent. Guy we were shooting with thought they were as accurate as his handloads.

Was a really good 1st attempt, better than I expected honestly. We are hooked and going to do this again.

 

[J-ROD]

Re: F/TR Newbie

congrats on getting out there and on the shooting. As mentioned, the more you talk to other shooters, the more you will realize what a great group of people they are. I've only attended two matches and everyone has been real patient with me and always willing to help me up the learning curve.

It's a great sport and very addicting! you have been warned lol

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: F/TR Newbie

Awesome! Glad you enjoyed yourselves and want to participate again. I guarantee your scores will pick up significantly next time, now that you have some good dope for your setup. Keep at it!

 

[Tempest 455]

Re: F/TR Newbie

I uploaded a video. Very proud of him! Wish I did this stuff when I was 14.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rylKhtP382U

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: F/TR Newbie

Nice video and again, congrats on your outing at 1000 yd. After watching the video clip, I would suggest a couple simple things. First, get some kind of [plastic, see link below] ammo box that will allow him to place rounds for sighters and for score that won't fall over like the factory ammo box does in the video. If you get one that holds 100 rounds, you can place the correct number for each match, which will also help him to keep track of where he is in the shooting string.

Also, get a bag of some sort (I use a drawstring mesh bag) that you can place where the spent brass will most likely land.

Finally, work on his setup next time at the range so that everything is placed where it can be reached without having to move much or actually see it.

The main reason for these suggestions is so as not to have to lift his head and reacquire his cheekweld after every shot. Having the ammo, brass bag, and anything else he might want arranged so that it is easily reached (without having to look up) might help improve consistency and allow him to focus all his attention on making shots. Hope you find the suggestions helpful and thanks for posting.

These are what I use, but there are many similar options:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1564157...0-round-plastic

For the nylon mesh bag, you can get various sizes at Target, WalMart, pretty much anywhere.

 

[Matthewb45]

Cool stuff grats guys