"Newly unsealed court documents have shown that FBI agents misled the judge who signed the warrant to raid the safe-deposit boxes. They did not disclose the fact that they planned to permanently confiscate everything inside every box that had at least $5,000 in cash or goods. The justification for the confiscation was the presumption that hundreds of unknown box holders were storing assets that may or may not be tied to unknown crimes."
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FBI Seizes $86 Million From Safe Deposit Boxes, "Permanently Confiscated"
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What? The FBI conducting criminal activities........ When did this start????? 
I use this for Libtards, but it applies to teh FBI also.
"If it were not for a double standard, they would have no standards at all." - Docsherm, 2016
I use this for Libtards, but it applies to teh FBI also.
"If it were not for a double standard, they would have no standards at all." - Docsherm, 2016
Blatantly unconstitutional. I hope they keep appealing up until it's overturned. Disgusting..
Hey bob, how much you find in that box.
Bob, '10k.. no I mean 8K"
Hey ralph, how much did bob find in that box.
ralph, '8k, no I mean 5k'
lead guy goes, make sure people have receipts to prove that the cash and jewelry is theirs or they can't have it back.
remember 10% goes to the big guy and FTX; safest and most secure elections ever
Bob, '10k.. no I mean 8K"
Hey ralph, how much did bob find in that box.
ralph, '8k, no I mean 5k'
lead guy goes, make sure people have receipts to prove that the cash and jewelry is theirs or they can't have it back.
remember 10% goes to the big guy and FTX; safest and most secure elections ever
Dot gov out of control... sorry no surprised face here.
I didn't read the link.
But from what I read a few months ago. The appeal court said that the FauxBI could keep it because they provided an avenue for people to get their stuff back. Basically they had to prove to the FauxBI that they got it legitimately and taxes were paid on it.
But from what I read a few months ago. The appeal court said that the FauxBI could keep it because they provided an avenue for people to get their stuff back. Basically they had to prove to the FauxBI that they got it legitimately and taxes were paid on it.
I thought that in America is works the other way around?
Our government and it's empowered alphabeti agencies are completely out of control, and apparently free to do whatever they feel like doing... because there are zero repercussions coming from government itself.
The War on Drugs from the Ronnie Reagan era provided for asset forfeiture.
Ohh, almost forgot. The corrupted courts have upheld it. Kinda/sorta. Anyone that can afford to go through the appellate courts have had their cases dropped by the DOJ. Then the court says... No harm. No foul and the law stands.
I am pretty sure that your post was sarcasm. We need a font for that
Ohh, almost forgot. The corrupted courts have upheld it. Kinda/sorta. Anyone that can afford to go through the appellate courts have had their cases dropped by the DOJ. Then the court says... No harm. No foul and the law stands.
It's not the first law passed used for an agenda.
I am pretty sure that your post was sarcasm. We need a font for that
It will always start with "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." ....we just need to make some more edits after that.
Spend money to get your money back......fuck that!!!!!!
bet not a dime of it belonged to a single dirty politician .
I have a "shirt tail" relative who was FBI and a wife beater. My BIL who was his wife's uncle always said he was a real prick.
Do any of you guys have problems knowing your local LEO aides and abets the criminal feds? You should. When I see a state legislature mandate the removal of all federal employees from it’s boundaries and police arresting those that refuse, only then will I give the police the benefit of the doubt. Until then...
That's why they do it. Not very many are willing and/or able to pay the legal fees to fight it, so most of it LE gets to keep. There are actually attorneys/LEO that tour the country to host seminars for other LE agencies where they coach the most effective methods to employ asset seizure. I was able to find one of the videos years ago, where they explicitly instruct them to seek out lower end vehicles/property to seize, because the owners are less likely to be able or willing to defend, because the cost exceeds the value of the items seized, so they are more likely to keep the seized property; high-value autos and such indicate the owners might be more willing to spend legal fees because the cost is still less than the seized property, so unless there is much evidence of a crime attached, it's not worth it to seize. Also, there is absolutely no need to even charge people with a crime in order to seize the property, and in most cases, there are no charges.
Every year in the U.S., the value of property seized by law enforcement exceeds the value of property actually stolen by criminals.
You know who else searched and seized property from people they didnt like?
Nazis
Nazis
Please tell me what ASGH means....I can't figure it out and google is no help.
Branden
Urban Dictionary: Asgh
Of a large popularity, Really cool, Synonyms: cool, lit , awesome
www.urbandictionary.com
That makes no sense to me.....but i'm old, so there's a lot of things nowadays that make no sense.Urban Dictionary: Asgh
Of a large popularity, Really cool, Synonyms: cool, lit , awesome
Thank you for clarifying for me though.
Branden
YupWhat? The FBI conducting criminal activities........ When did this start?????
I use this for Libtards, but it applies to teh FBI also.
"If it were not for a double standard, they would have no standards at all." - Docsherm, 2016
.gov
Is organized crime
From top to bottom
Several of the renters have filed lawsuits to get their money back and if I recall were told they had to prove it was legally obtained.
Asset forfeiture laws: Because fuck them plebs.
Something something tree something watering with something something.
That’s why the case is
Us .gov Versus $xx,xxx.00
Cause your money doesn’t have constitutional rights.
Guess that’s how the IRS does what they do too
No different than organized crime.
Also, the one biggie they have resorted to is stopping people with out of state tags. The interstate crime is handled by the Fed's. So the property/ money is turned over to the feds and the citizens now get to deal with the federal courts. Good luck with that. Especially since they file for as many delays as possible. They will bleed you dry using taxpayers money to do so.
Three years and they haven't even filed the paperwork for the seizure of this guy's truck
www.forbes.com
Three years and they haven't even filed the paperwork for the seizure of this guy's truck
Border Agents Seized American Citizen's Truck, Never Charged Him With A Crime
When Gerardo Serrano took photos of a border crossing, he had no idea he would soon be handcuffed, thrown into a detention cell and see his truck seized by government agents.
www.forbes.com
In places its a complete rackett. Try driving throgh Kanas (on the interstate) with out of state plates. They stop you going west looking for money to steal and going east looking for drugs to bust you for and steal your car and fines.Also, the one biggie they have resorted to is stopping people with out of state tags. The interstate crime is handled by the Fed's. So the property/ money is turned over to the feds and the citizens now get to deal with the federal courts. Good luck with that. Especially since they file for as many delays as possible. They will bleed you dry using taxpayers money to do so.
Three years and they haven't even filed the paperwork for the seizure of this guy's truck
Border Agents Seized American Citizen's Truck, Never Charged Him With A Crime
When Gerardo Serrano took photos of a border crossing, he had no idea he would soon be handcuffed, thrown into a detention cell and see his truck seized by government agents.
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"FBI agent and researcher Gregory Vecchi and criminal justice professor Robert Sigler note, “[W]hat is evident from their behavior is that federal, state, and local governments use assets forfeiture to generate revenue, despite their claims otherwise.”[33] For example, the U.S. Attorney General stated in 1990, “We must significantly increase forfeiture production to reach our budget target. Failure to achieve the $470 million projection would expose the Department’s forfeiture program to criticism and undermine confidence in our budget predictions. Every effort must be made to increase forfeiture income in the three remaining months of fiscal year 1990.”[34]"
ij.org
- Margaret Davis, West Philadelphia, PA (2001): Philadelphia police pursued suspected drug dealers through the unlocked door of 77-year-old Margaret Davis’s home. Ms. Davis suffered from end-stage renal disease and used para-transit to travel to dialysis treatment three times a week. Ms. Davis permitted police to search her home after the suspects fled; unsurprisingly, police found drugs left in plain view by the fleeing suspects. The next month, the district attorney moved to seize Ms. Davis’s home even though there was no indication whatsoever that she had any involvement with the drug crimes. Ms. Davis could not afford a lawyer, but two years later she won the right to keep her home with the help of a pro bono law clinic.
- The Contemporary Art Institute of Detroit (2008): Over 40 law enforcement officers—members of the Detroit Police Department’s vice squad and mobile tactical unit—raided a monthly social event at the Institute because, according to police, the gallery lacked proper city permits for after-hours dancing and drinking. The officers demanded the keys of all attendees and seized over 40 cars as having “facilitated” the guests’ attendance at the “illegal” event. Most guests had to pay over $1000 to get their cars back; if payment was not made promptly, then their cars became city property. The proceeds were split between the prosecutors, police, and towing companies. A judge later determined the seizure was unconstitutional, though the City appealed the ruling.
- Nelly Moreira, Washington, D.C. (2012): Washington D.C. Metro Police pulled over Nelly Moreira’s son while he was driving her car and, after a pat down, found a handgun. Moreira’s son was arrested and her car was seized—even though it was in her name and she was not even present. Moreira relied on the car to get to work. Two months later, she received a letter telling her to pay a bond of $1020; she borrowed cash from friends and family to cover the bond. If she hadn’t the car would have been auctioned off or used by the police. Even after making bond, Moreira had to make car payments each month while her car sat unused in the city lot. Nearly a year later, with help from pro bono counsel, Moreira finally got her car back.
- Russ Caswell, Tewksburg, MA (2009): In 2009, the Tawksbury police along with the DEA sought to seize the motel built by his father and owned outright by Russ Caswell; the motel was valued at over $1 million. Authorities never suspected Caswell of having committed a crime or even benefitted from one; instead, their rationale was that there’d been 15 drug-related arrests over a 14-year period. But Caswell had rented over 200,000 rooms in that time period and cooperated with all law enforcement activities. After several years and with the help of pro bono counsel, Caswell was able to get his motel back. A DEA agent questioned during the lawsuit admitted that he was tasked with finding properties to be forfeited—and that the agency wouldn’t go over a property unless the owner had over $50,000 in equity. "
Civil Asset Forfeiture
Civil asset forfeiture allows the police department that seizes the property to keep and spend the proceeds. Departments now routinely seize 20% or more of their annual budgets in forfeiture proceeds, a phenomenon known as “policing for profit.” Click here to learn more.
www.nlg-npap.org
"FBI agent and researcher Gregory Vecchi and criminal justice professor Robert Sigler note, “[W]hat is evident from their behavior is that federal, state, and local governments use assets forfeiture to generate revenue, despite their claims otherwise.”[33] For example, the U.S. Attorney General stated in 1990, “We must significantly increase forfeiture production to reach our budget target. Failure to achieve the $470 million projection would expose the Department’s forfeiture program to criticism and undermine confidence in our budget predictions. Every effort must be made to increase forfeiture income in the three remaining months of fiscal year 1990.”[34]"
Part I: Policing for Profit - Institute for Justice
What is Civil Asset Forfeiture? In everyday language, if something is “forfeited,” it means that an owner voluntarily relinquishes the property. In legal forfeiture actions, […]
ij.org
"If you're not doing anything wrong you've got nothing to fear.""
- Margaret Davis, West Philadelphia, PA (2001): Philadelphia police pursued suspected drug dealers through the unlocked door of 77-year-old Margaret Davis’s home. Ms. Davis suffered from end-stage renal disease and used para-transit to travel to dialysis treatment three times a week. Ms. Davis permitted police to search her home after the suspects fled; unsurprisingly, police found drugs left in plain view by the fleeing suspects. The next month, the district attorney moved to seize Ms. Davis’s home even though there was no indication whatsoever that she had any involvement with the drug crimes. Ms. Davis could not afford a lawyer, but two years later she won the right to keep her home with the help of a pro bono law clinic.
- The Contemporary Art Institute of Detroit (2008): Over 40 law enforcement officers—members of the Detroit Police Department’s vice squad and mobile tactical unit—raided a monthly social event at the Institute because, according to police, the gallery lacked proper city permits for after-hours dancing and drinking. The officers demanded the keys of all attendees and seized over 40 cars as having “facilitated” the guests’ attendance at the “illegal” event. Most guests had to pay over $1000 to get their cars back; if payment was not made promptly, then their cars became city property. The proceeds were split between the prosecutors, police, and towing companies. A judge later determined the seizure was unconstitutional, though the City appealed the ruling.
- Nelly Moreira, Washington, D.C. (2012): Washington D.C. Metro Police pulled over Nelly Moreira’s son while he was driving her car and, after a pat down, found a handgun. Moreira’s son was arrested and her car was seized—even though it was in her name and she was not even present. Moreira relied on the car to get to work. Two months later, she received a letter telling her to pay a bond of $1020; she borrowed cash from friends and family to cover the bond. If she hadn’t the car would have been auctioned off or used by the police. Even after making bond, Moreira had to make car payments each month while her car sat unused in the city lot. Nearly a year later, with help from pro bono counsel, Moreira finally got her car back.
- Russ Caswell, Tewksburg, MA (2009): In 2009, the Tawksbury police along with the DEA sought to seize the motel built by his father and owned outright by Russ Caswell; the motel was valued at over $1 million. Authorities never suspected Caswell of having committed a crime or even benefitted from one; instead, their rationale was that there’d been 15 drug-related arrests over a 14-year period. But Caswell had rented over 200,000 rooms in that time period and cooperated with all law enforcement activities. After several years and with the help of pro bono counsel, Caswell was able to get his motel back. A DEA agent questioned during the lawsuit admitted that he was tasked with finding properties to be forfeited—and that the agency wouldn’t go over a property unless the owner had over $50,000 in equity. "
Civil Asset Forfeiture
Civil asset forfeiture allows the police department that seizes the property to keep and spend the proceeds. Departments now routinely seize 20% or more of their annual budgets in forfeiture proceeds, a phenomenon known as “policing for profit.” Click here to learn more.www.nlg-npap.org
"FBI agent and researcher Gregory Vecchi and criminal justice professor Robert Sigler note, “[W]hat is evident from their behavior is that federal, state, and local governments use assets forfeiture to generate revenue, despite their claims otherwise.”[33] For example, the U.S. Attorney General stated in 1990, “We must significantly increase forfeiture production to reach our budget target. Failure to achieve the $470 million projection would expose the Department’s forfeiture program to criticism and undermine confidence in our budget predictions. Every effort must be made to increase forfeiture income in the three remaining months of fiscal year 1990.”[34]"
Part I: Policing for Profit - Institute for Justice
What is Civil Asset Forfeiture? In everyday language, if something is “forfeited,” it means that an owner voluntarily relinquishes the property. In legal forfeiture actions, […]
"They" want Americas Wealth. That's what all of this bullshit is about - multimillionaire/billionaire politicians and their owner handlers want that money that working US has stashed for retirement, college, rainy days and they want it all. And they want it now. My Dad's investment dude told me one time how many Trillions were in 401K's, IRA's, personal savings, college funds etc. and it was trillions of dollars. They want that money.
They'll start with deposit boxes and then under yer mattress and then finally they'll just take yer money right out of yer savings/401K/Piggy Bank. And what are we gonna do about it?
Bitch and cry. Starve and sleep in the cold until we die which is fine by them. The filthy rich Oligarchy wants to obliterate the working class and assimilate their cash savings. Nothing can stop them...they own the bank, the own the Alphabets, they own yer Representation. They own the locals and they own the Big Kids.
21st Century reboot . Everything belongs to the winners of the Monopoly Game the rest of US can just suck it.
VooDoo
They'll start with deposit boxes and then under yer mattress and then finally they'll just take yer money right out of yer savings/401K/Piggy Bank. And what are we gonna do about it?
Bitch and cry. Starve and sleep in the cold until we die which is fine by them. The filthy rich Oligarchy wants to obliterate the working class and assimilate their cash savings. Nothing can stop them...they own the bank, the own the Alphabets, they own yer Representation. They own the locals and they own the Big Kids.
21st Century reboot . Everything belongs to the winners of the Monopoly Game the rest of US can just suck it.
VooDoo
These people gave consent to be governed somehow we are led to believe. Apparently a propaganda document written over two hundred years ago sealed our fate for eternity. May the romanticized chains rest lightly upon us. God bless the swords of government."
- Margaret Davis, West Philadelphia, PA (2001): Philadelphia police pursued suspected drug dealers through the unlocked door of 77-year-old Margaret Davis’s home. Ms. Davis suffered from end-stage renal disease and used para-transit to travel to dialysis treatment three times a week. Ms. Davis permitted police to search her home after the suspects fled; unsurprisingly, police found drugs left in plain view by the fleeing suspects. The next month, the district attorney moved to seize Ms. Davis’s home even though there was no indication whatsoever that she had any involvement with the drug crimes. Ms. Davis could not afford a lawyer, but two years later she won the right to keep her home with the help of a pro bono law clinic.
- The Contemporary Art Institute of Detroit (2008): Over 40 law enforcement officers—members of the Detroit Police Department’s vice squad and mobile tactical unit—raided a monthly social event at the Institute because, according to police, the gallery lacked proper city permits for after-hours dancing and drinking. The officers demanded the keys of all attendees and seized over 40 cars as having “facilitated” the guests’ attendance at the “illegal” event. Most guests had to pay over $1000 to get their cars back; if payment was not made promptly, then their cars became city property. The proceeds were split between the prosecutors, police, and towing companies. A judge later determined the seizure was unconstitutional, though the City appealed the ruling.
- Nelly Moreira, Washington, D.C. (2012): Washington D.C. Metro Police pulled over Nelly Moreira’s son while he was driving her car and, after a pat down, found a handgun. Moreira’s son was arrested and her car was seized—even though it was in her name and she was not even present. Moreira relied on the car to get to work. Two months later, she received a letter telling her to pay a bond of $1020; she borrowed cash from friends and family to cover the bond. If she hadn’t the car would have been auctioned off or used by the police. Even after making bond, Moreira had to make car payments each month while her car sat unused in the city lot. Nearly a year later, with help from pro bono counsel, Moreira finally got her car back.
- Russ Caswell, Tewksburg, MA (2009): In 2009, the Tawksbury police along with the DEA sought to seize the motel built by his father and owned outright by Russ Caswell; the motel was valued at over $1 million. Authorities never suspected Caswell of having committed a crime or even benefitted from one; instead, their rationale was that there’d been 15 drug-related arrests over a 14-year period. But Caswell had rented over 200,000 rooms in that time period and cooperated with all law enforcement activities. After several years and with the help of pro bono counsel, Caswell was able to get his motel back. A DEA agent questioned during the lawsuit admitted that he was tasked with finding properties to be forfeited—and that the agency wouldn’t go over a property unless the owner had over $50,000 in equity. "
Civil Asset Forfeiture
Civil asset forfeiture allows the police department that seizes the property to keep and spend the proceeds. Departments now routinely seize 20% or more of their annual budgets in forfeiture proceeds, a phenomenon known as “policing for profit.” Click here to learn more.www.nlg-npap.org
"FBI agent and researcher Gregory Vecchi and criminal justice professor Robert Sigler note, “[W]hat is evident from their behavior is that federal, state, and local governments use assets forfeiture to generate revenue, despite their claims otherwise.”[33] For example, the U.S. Attorney General stated in 1990, “We must significantly increase forfeiture production to reach our budget target. Failure to achieve the $470 million projection would expose the Department’s forfeiture program to criticism and undermine confidence in our budget predictions. Every effort must be made to increase forfeiture income in the three remaining months of fiscal year 1990.”[34]"
Part I: Policing for Profit - Institute for Justice
What is Civil Asset Forfeiture? In everyday language, if something is “forfeited,” it means that an owner voluntarily relinquishes the property. In legal forfeiture actions, […]
“You’re offending half the membership “"
- Margaret Davis, West Philadelphia, PA (2001): Philadelphia police pursued suspected drug dealers through the unlocked door of 77-year-old Margaret Davis’s home. Ms. Davis suffered from end-stage renal disease and used para-transit to travel to dialysis treatment three times a week. Ms. Davis permitted police to search her home after the suspects fled; unsurprisingly, police found drugs left in plain view by the fleeing suspects. The next month, the district attorney moved to seize Ms. Davis’s home even though there was no indication whatsoever that she had any involvement with the drug crimes. Ms. Davis could not afford a lawyer, but two years later she won the right to keep her home with the help of a pro bono law clinic.
- The Contemporary Art Institute of Detroit (2008): Over 40 law enforcement officers—members of the Detroit Police Department’s vice squad and mobile tactical unit—raided a monthly social event at the Institute because, according to police, the gallery lacked proper city permits for after-hours dancing and drinking. The officers demanded the keys of all attendees and seized over 40 cars as having “facilitated” the guests’ attendance at the “illegal” event. Most guests had to pay over $1000 to get their cars back; if payment was not made promptly, then their cars became city property. The proceeds were split between the prosecutors, police, and towing companies. A judge later determined the seizure was unconstitutional, though the City appealed the ruling.
- Nelly Moreira, Washington, D.C. (2012): Washington D.C. Metro Police pulled over Nelly Moreira’s son while he was driving her car and, after a pat down, found a handgun. Moreira’s son was arrested and her car was seized—even though it was in her name and she was not even present. Moreira relied on the car to get to work. Two months later, she received a letter telling her to pay a bond of $1020; she borrowed cash from friends and family to cover the bond. If she hadn’t the car would have been auctioned off or used by the police. Even after making bond, Moreira had to make car payments each month while her car sat unused in the city lot. Nearly a year later, with help from pro bono counsel, Moreira finally got her car back.
- Russ Caswell, Tewksburg, MA (2009): In 2009, the Tawksbury police along with the DEA sought to seize the motel built by his father and owned outright by Russ Caswell; the motel was valued at over $1 million. Authorities never suspected Caswell of having committed a crime or even benefitted from one; instead, their rationale was that there’d been 15 drug-related arrests over a 14-year period. But Caswell had rented over 200,000 rooms in that time period and cooperated with all law enforcement activities. After several years and with the help of pro bono counsel, Caswell was able to get his motel back. A DEA agent questioned during the lawsuit admitted that he was tasked with finding properties to be forfeited—and that the agency wouldn’t go over a property unless the owner had over $50,000 in equity. "
Civil Asset Forfeiture
Civil asset forfeiture allows the police department that seizes the property to keep and spend the proceeds. Departments now routinely seize 20% or more of their annual budgets in forfeiture proceeds, a phenomenon known as “policing for profit.” Click here to learn more.www.nlg-npap.org
"FBI agent and researcher Gregory Vecchi and criminal justice professor Robert Sigler note, “[W]hat is evident from their behavior is that federal, state, and local governments use assets forfeiture to generate revenue, despite their claims otherwise.”[33] For example, the U.S. Attorney General stated in 1990, “We must significantly increase forfeiture production to reach our budget target. Failure to achieve the $470 million projection would expose the Department’s forfeiture program to criticism and undermine confidence in our budget predictions. Every effort must be made to increase forfeiture income in the three remaining months of fiscal year 1990.”[34]"
Part I: Policing for Profit - Institute for Justice
What is Civil Asset Forfeiture? In everyday language, if something is “forfeited,” it means that an owner voluntarily relinquishes the property. In legal forfeiture actions, […]
How is that any different than a Bernie Sanders supporter who only wants to shirk responsibility and get free stuff?
problem is there needs to be consequences such ass all the agents lose their jobs and pensions as does the person giving the order
