That's not even funny... and it's probably so on the way... This shit is starting to get scary.
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Federal Agents raid Rudy Giuliani's NY apartment
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They are words I use because they are part of my normal vocabulary. I don't speak in grunts. All I can tell you is this, from a strategic point of view. What the Democrats are doing is winning, and what the Trumpists are doing is losing. The question, in that situation, is why would a team that is winning change their strategy?
And the proof was Stalinesque, and the same one people like the LBC have been throwing around. "If you didn't do anything wrong, why don't you cooperate to get to the bottom of this?" Kind of like "if you are innocent, why would you need a lawyer?" I honestly believe that you guys don't understand what you are saying here, and don't realize where it goes. I do give you that benefit of the doubt.
Your examples are not in the same context. Not even close.
The examples are not, but the reasoning is. The point being that assuming the only motivation must be guilt, and then determining guilt based on that assumption is a slippery slope.
Anyway, I do think this is bullshit with Rudy. I also think he is a piece of shit who used the same tactics to build his name politically before he became mayor. I'm not going to cry for him, but I will weep for justice.
Did you know that a Pterodactyl's penis could extend up to four feet, enabling it to mate while in flight?
That's still a smaller dick than you're being, posting stupid shit like that.
trump was president while mueller ran his sham "investigation" for how many years?
you do realize they knew this was a clinton plot the entire time, right? (or at least since jan 2017).
the president is obviously not above, or in control the machine that has corrupted and usurped power in america.
Sure. That is a fair description. Like I said the whole time, it is unjust. Rudy would have done the same, proudly, which makes it harder for me to care about this particular case.
Let's hope. It would be easier if they didn't do such stupid shit. Likewise, the Republicans almost certainly would have retained Senate control without the Nov-Jan insanity.
I have zero faith in the GA election system...zero... they got away with whatever they got away with on election night and 2.5 months later THE EXACT SAME THING TOOK PLACE... once could be chalked up to an abberation... twice is some fuckery...
Anybody is more sympathetic than Giuliani. The dude practically invented the perp walk, happily traded up for bigger names with less culpability and basically used his tools as a prosecutor to become Mayor. He is a total piece of shit from the point of view of anybody who cares about civil liberties, and the use of the law to obtain power.
But yeah, it is a big problem, and it does seem like it is hard to fight the system. All of that said, I don't know why this is going on from any definite position. Rudy has his fingers in some dirty holes, and it could only be tangentially related to Trump, or not related at all. The chilling factor, I think, is that political enemies are going to have a hard time finding good lawyers, and that is a very scary proposition.
Giuliani Shocker: FBI Refused to Take Hunter's Hard Drive
Giuliani Shocker: FBI Refused to Take Hunter's Hard Drive
When federal agents raided Rudy Giuliani's Manhattan home early Wednesday, they found a surprisingly cooperative target. The former New York City mayor quickly brought the agents into his study and began sharing his electronic devices with them, helping them fulfill...
www.newsmax.com
A source close to Giuliani tells Newsmax that one of the agents pointed to a computer hard drive on the former mayor’s desk, asking about it.
Giuliani responded, “Oh that’s Hunter Biden’s hard drive.”
Giuliani offered to give the hard drive to the agents, telling them “it has evidence of President Biden committing multiple crimes with his son Hunter.”
Surprised, the agents reportedly not only rebuffed the evidence, they didn’t even bother to check what was on the hard drive.
In a statement released after the raid by Giuliani’s attorney, Robert Costello, the lawyer said the refusal to even look at the hard drive demonstrates the political nature of the probe of his client.
“Keep in mind that the agents could not read the physical hard drives without plugging them in, but they took Mr. Giuliani’s word that the hard drives were copies of Hunter Biden’s hard drive and did not contain anything pertaining to Mr. Giuliani,” the statement claimed.
“Their reliance on Mr. Giuliani’s credibility tells you everything you need to know about this case,” Costello added.
Giuliani Shocker: FBI Refused to Take Hunter's Hard Drive
Giuliani Shocker: FBI Refused to Take Hunter's Hard Drive
When federal agents raided Rudy Giuliani's Manhattan home early Wednesday, they found a surprisingly cooperative target. The former New York City mayor quickly brought the agents into his study and began sharing his electronic devices with them, helping them fulfill...
A source close to Giuliani tells Newsmax that one of the agents pointed to a computer hard drive on the former mayor’s desk, asking about it.
Giuliani responded, “Oh that’s Hunter Biden’s hard drive.”
Giuliani offered to give the hard drive to the agents, telling them “it has evidence of President Biden committing multiple crimes with his son Hunter.”
Surprised, the agents reportedly not only rebuffed the evidence, they didn’t even bother to check what was on the hard drive.
In a statement released after the raid by Giuliani’s attorney, Robert Costello, the lawyer said the refusal to even look at the hard drive demonstrates the political nature of the probe of his client.
“Keep in mind that the agents could not read the physical hard drives without plugging them in, but they took Mr. Giuliani’s word that the hard drives were copies of Hunter Biden’s hard drive and did not contain anything pertaining to Mr. Giuliani,” the statement claimed.
“Their reliance on Mr. Giuliani’s credibility tells you everything you need to know about this case,” Costello added.
The funny thing about the raid is that they didn't touch Hunter Bidens laptop.
Somebody owns the FBI, and it isn't the tax paying citizens.
Somebody owns the FBI, and it isn't the tax paying citizens.
I wouldn't want them to take possession of it either, anymore than I'd want their mentors, the KJB, taking possession of it. At least not the original.
They have been trying to get their hands on Giuliani for awhile now. Trying to get some dirt on him. The Democrat is like a Mob set.
there's no harm at all. Never said there was.
But if you truly believe all the hype of 'massive voter fraud' then what harm is there in expecting some evidence and proof of it? Demanding an audit without any probable cause is a waste of time and money. Much like this thread.
I won't wait for a coherent answer, you don't seem capable of them.
they only allowed one audit (besides maricopa ongoing), and that found that 5200 votes were taken from trump and 2000 given to xiden.
the corrupt officials running the election claimed it was caused by a failure to update one single tabulator.
and you believe that?
how does failure to update a down ballot entry do this?
I agree with you more than most here on many things, but this is very insulting and typical academic bull shit. "You don't understand " . Anyone watching what has been blatantly obvious for the past 5 years damn well understands! It's been one attempt after another to take down the outsider that poses such a risk to all of these corrupt pieces of shit in DC on both sides.
How about this reasoning. Do you think the same people who used the FBI, FISA courts, all of media, foreign nationals and foreign governments, all in a huge plot to destroy this outsider just decided to stop after that little plan didn't work??? People who were that committed to commit all kinds of treasonous acts, stomp all over civil rights, and literally knew no end, just decided to "let it go" when the election came around? That just happened to coincide with the changing of election laws in all of these key places across the nation (done illegally by individuals not the legislature) ( I notice that no one has decided to challenge my previous post on this little tidbit)
So instead of trying to talk around the obvious how about let's just all admit that this whole thing is a fraud! If there had been only legally cast ballots counted, trump would have won in a landslide, and that's really what matters. Anyone with half a brain cell knows it. Even the damn dems know it, which is why they changed their talking points to "you can't prove it".
I'm not even talking about I UT whether there was fraud. What I am saying is that it is completely plausible that demand are playing it this way because it has proven to be a winning issue for them. I think they believe that the longer this drags on the better it is for them. Especially in AZ wh where they have a senate election next year. It seems to me that Republicans lose with moderates when they claim fraud, and they keep conservatives from voting. I think this is borne out in results. As I have said on here before, the trump republican party is unique in that its chosen narratives are demotivating rather than motivating. If you are going to have a story, true or not, it should ateast be useful. Dems get that. They lie like dogs, but always to their own advantage.
We are not talking about person A vs person B. We are not talking about team A vs team B. We are talking about "we". I think this needs approached as a personal internal issue. If part of your mind says you fucked up, and the other side said you were correct....do you ignore the side with a less positive outcome, or do you self reflect on both?
I see this like that. I dont care who won. I have a favorite, but a large portion claims fraud, right? Do we ignore 13% of the population( black people ) when they make noise? What harms is a looksie? We waist money on tons of shit. Give it a look! Make "we" comfortable that we have fair elections.
Well I can come up with a few:
ballots in suitcases
people stating on their twitters, saying they put ballots in for Biden even though they were marked for trump
1000’s of sworn affidavits
over 700k absentee votes more coming back then were sent out in PA.
vote counts on live TV taking votes from trump and giving them to Biden.
what more proof do you need? The evidence is there. However the proof must be proven in court, but alas, no court would hear any of it...
you are truly dense aren’t you?
oh and join date of 05/2020....
Doc
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Windham New Hampshire is going to allow a forensic audit to try and determine why it seems each republican lost an oddly similar number of votes that ended up being counted for the communist candidate.
Sununu signs bill authorizing audit of how votes were counted in Windham House race
Sununu on Monday signed a bill authorizing an audit of the town's ballot counting machines and hand tabulations.
www.wmur.com
The only reason these things are being discovered is through down ballot requests.
They are refusing to consider the Trump complaints.......Settled Science.
I see what you are saying, but again, I am not really addressing that. What I am addressing is the method of reasoning. When you say, "oh, well if they don't want to be part of the investigation, it can only mean X!" When if fact X,Y,Z,P,D and Q are plausible, and then you say, look at my argument, it has to be X, you are just indulging in question begging. You are accepting the contentious point, to wit what the resistance means, and then using that to get an answer. It is a bullshit method of reasoning. All I am doing is pointing out one other likely reason for the behavior, which is enough to destroy the reasoning altogether. That is the problem with building a house of cards. They fall easily.
I personally have no problem with an audit. I hope to God that it shows Democrats cheated and Trump won. That would make my fucking decade, not only because I preferred Trump in the election, but because I would like nothing more than to see the complete destruction of the Democratic party. All I am saying is that nothing so far amounts to proof of that being the case, least of all this new reasoning by innuendo. Look, I call it how I see it, not how I want it to be. That's all you will ever get from me.
Right, because the simplest explanation for things is always a HUGE multi jurisdictional conspiracy perpetrated by people who, at all other times, are rabid political opponents.
Agree, but my issue, as with a lot of this stuff, is that smart people use these arguments as a means of persuasion, then dumb people take them as a proof of fact. I am pretty sure it is intentional, as it is one of the most tried and true ways to indoctrinate people in conspiracy, whether done by Rachel Maddow over Russia, or Darren Beattie over an election.
So, he basically explained, but I would further say that question begging doesn't mean a question is begging to be asked, but that the answer to an important question is evaded rather than litigated. Once evaded, this important answer has become a given in the argument as described above, even though there has been no debate as to its veracity. So anything that flows from the begged question is dubious.
it wasn't a mistake.
how does their explanation reconcile thousands of fake votes added to xiden and thousands stolen from trump?
the only reason it was "fixed" was a lawsuit and an honest judge that allowed an audit not run by the crooks that fixed the election.
good points.
to me, when they can show that a formula for predicting the number of votes cast based on the prior census, and then they demonstrate that this formula is accurate for each separate age group for a particular county, this is suspicious.
when they can plug that formula into each county, and it accurately predicts the number of votes for every county for every age group, this is more than suspicious.
it is obvious manipulation and fraud.
they used the census to guess at how many votes they can add for xiden without exceeding the number of registered voters.
unfortunately for them, some places lost voters and so their formulas created too many votes.
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We do both, and we do them together. Usually we argue into premises inductively, then to conclusions deductively. The problem comes when the premises are poorly founded, but the conclusion presented as absolute. I also suppose it depends on your profession and peer group as to how much you see one or the other.
The switch wasn't because of a judge, it was made overnight on election day. The clerk, apparently, made a mistake. Even the source for the report that kooks like Gateway Pundit used for this shit said they didn't see any fraud.
But I guess you KNOW.
wrong.
a down ballot candidate asked for a review, and a judge granted it.
you're a fucking retard that must be getting her facts from WaPo or CNN.
what "mistake" adds 2000 votes for a pedo and removes 5200 for a patriot?
if something didn't load, it would not add votes for the pedo, they would have both lost votes.
how did they add 2000 via "error" when they never existed?
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Sure, though that assumes that all deductive reasoning we see is valid, and that we catch each invalid attempt. The point being that we constantly move back and forth between induction and deduction because we are always inductively crunching new data and deductively attempting to make sense of the world through our new assumptions. And of course your last sentence is correct, though it is kind of correct about a lot of things. Garbage in, garbage out, after all.
Which part? The switch was on 11/4-11/5. There was a "forensic accounting" of the votes in December, and they changed by a whopping 12 votes.
The best you can do is call me a retard and switch my gender? You are an unmitigated fool.
At 5:30 PM on Friday, December 4, 13th Circuit Court Judge Kevin A. Elsenheimer granted permission to William Bailey and his team of IT experts to conduct a forensic study of the 16 Dominion voting machines, tabulators, thumb drives, related software, and the Clerk’s “master tabulator.”
where did the pedo get 2000 votes that never existed?
Dominion’s vote totals showed 663 people voted in a district where there were only 6 eligible voters and only 3 of those 6 actually voted. Somehow, Dominion added 660 additional votes to the final tally. (Second image)
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Look, I can't tell you what happened other than that the explanation of a mistake is far more reasonable than of a mass conspiracy, especially given the speed with which it was rectified. It sounds, from all accounts, like there was clerk error. You are convinced it was fraud, but there is no particular reason to be convinced of that, and prattling on about pedophilia, stealing etc doesn't change that. And never will.where did the pedo get 2000 votes that never existed?
Dominion’s vote totals showed 663 people voted in a district where there were only 6 eligible voters and only 3 of those 6 actually voted. Somehow, Dominion added 660 additional votes to the final tally. (Second image)
no it isn't. you're a fucking retard.
tell me genius, how does a down ballot change add 2000 votes that don't exist and remove 5200 from trump.
there is no acceptable or believable explanation except fraud.
if they missed some files, both pedo and trump would have lost votes.
if they ran the same files twice, they would both have gotten too many votes.
one "mistake" could not add votes that don't exist, and remove legit votes from the other candidate.
if you have a better explanation, let's hear it.
couldn't be a conspiracy? let's talk about crossfire hurricane.
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He is a troll, not a retard. Trolls are short, retards are taller.
What century in history is absent of conspiracies that were eventually discovered to in fact be true? Which decade?
Look at twitter right now.....clerical error or conspiracy to silence people, up to and including the elected President!
If a former vice president admits to the same act the sitting president is impeached for.....clerical error or conspiracy?
if multiple videos surface of Trump touching young kids in border line unethical manner, is he a pedo by the leftist or just misplacing his hands?
The rules need to apply to both sides equally to keep balance. Say the election went the other way, what do you think the people would be saying right now....."fair elections occured"?
Let’s wait for the results of the Maricopa audit cuz we’re running in circles. You say it’s a mistake, they say it’s fraud. I say if any of us behaved anywhere close to how the election officials behaved, we would be rotting in jail right now.
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