Federal judge rules marijuana use doesn't preempt firearms ownership

[Ronin_64]

Ban on marijuana users owning guns is unconstitutional, U.S. judge rules

A federal law prohibiting marijuana users from possessing firearms is unconstitutional, a federal judge in Oklahoma has concluded, citing last year's U.S. Supreme Court ruling that significantly expanded gun rights. U.S. District Judge Patrick Wyrick, an appointee of former Republican President...

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Is this a win or loss for gun rights? I'm not totally sure...

 

[Maser]

Any victory over un-Constitutional gun laws is a win for ALL Second Amendment supporters. That good enough answer for you?

 

[GUN NUT in IA]

Ban on gun owners owning machine guns is unconstitutional, U.S. judge rules.

Sounds about right to me.

(Yes, in my neck of the woods it is illegal.)

 

[Baron23]

Ban on marijuana users owning guns is unconstitutional, U.S. judge rules

A federal law prohibiting marijuana users from possessing firearms is unconstitutional, a federal judge in Oklahoma has concluded, citing last year's U.S. Supreme Court ruling that significantly expanded gun rights. U.S. District Judge Patrick Wyrick, an appointee of former Republican President...

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Is this a win or loss for gun rights? I'm not totally sure...

Its a win, I believe, but don't go rolling any joints yet...this will be in appeal for years to come

 

[Ronin_64]

I don’t have a dog in this fight, per se, I don’t even drink alcohol.

Does anyone know if it is the norm to draw blood from those involved in a shooting?

Yeah, I know, bad pun “…draw blood”

 

[Skunk]

Maybe they’ll be amending what is covered under Title 18 Sec 922(g)(3) and defined as a controlled substance. It wouldn’t come as a shock; we’ve been moving toward legalizing marijuana for awhile.

ETA - In the Western District of Texas, Federal prosecutors don’t even want to hear the word marijuana. If it’s not crack or fentanyl, they’re not interested in drugs.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Its about time. Its been legalized either recreationally or medically in the majority of states. Why its still federally on the books baffles me.

 

[n2ishun]

Dude....

I forgot what I was gonna say.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Dude....

I forgot what I was gonna say.

Littering and…

 

[DocRDS]

I'm not a fan of expnuging convictions (DNRTFA) but as long a you ain't high while shooting, I guess I'm ok.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Firearms ownership is protected by the Bill of Rights…. It does not mention the level of sobriety of the owner or their pastimes.

And since the entire population of Colonial America was swacked on Beer, wine, hot buttered Rum, whiskey and probably ergot fungus… it’s a pretty good guess that sobriety was fr from the minds of the founders.

Ever see the bar bill for George Washington and his staff at the “we just wrote a Constitution” victory party?

George Washington Ran Up an Epic Bar Tab Celebrating the Writing of the Constitution

There were two things that George Washington was really, really good at: leading men in battle and drinking booze. It’s no secret that the man who defeated the British during the American Revolution had an impressive combat record, but fewer people know about his passion for consuming craft beer...

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Tell me again after reading that list that altered states of mind mattered when it came to civil rights?

Good call by the judge. Whatever one feels about drugs… they are a states rights issue.

Sirhr

 

[BurtG]

Good call by the judge. Whatever one feels about drugs… they are a states rights issue.

Guns aren’t.

The constitution is the supreme law of the land.

All these state gun laws are unconstitutional

 

[jb0311]

Guns aren’t.

The constitution is the supreme law of the land.

All these state gun laws are unconstitutional

Agree, but he was referring to drug laws, not gun laws. The fed should fuck off with a lot of these drug laws. I’m personally good with a beer or two, and don’t smoke, but they create a huge barrier for research when there are some promising applications when it comes to treating vets with ptsd/tbi. Not particularly weed I’m referring to, but other substances.

 

[BurtG]

All drugs should be legalized.

Right after we cut all welfare

 

[GreenGO Juan]

All drugs should be legalized.

Right after we cut all welfare

Agree . It would kill the Cartels cash flow nearly immediately.

It would keep people from overdosing on laced shit. Most people I know of personally who were killed from Fentanyl assumed they were taking other things, which is why they were killed, had it not been mixed in, they’d still be here. They didn’t know it was there! Because they got a hold of some bullshit.

Let it be sold and taxed. Peoples get CLEAN DRUGS. And not being treated as societal outcasts, breaking the law, people with serious addiction issues have a better chance of seeking real help. People with sever addictions are out casts… that keeps them from getting the help they need that could save them, or at least lead them to the path of help and personal control over their use.

Prohibition doesn’t work.

 

[Jscb1b]

Somebody pass the chips.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

Alcohol is worse than weed so it makes sense

 

[hlee]

Alcohol is worse than weed so it makes sense

But, at least you don’t end up smelling like a Bob Marley concert if someone is drinking a beer next to you at a bar…

 

[Bigfatcock]

But, at least you don’t end up smelling like a Bob Marley concert if someone is drinking a beer next to you at a bar…

Better than smelling like fruit juice from the vape homos.

 

[hlee]

Better than smelling like fruit juice from the vape homos.

All the bars I’ve been to lately are no smoking or vaping. They can all sate their oral fixations elsewhere…

 

[Redmanss]

Alcohol is worse than weed so it makes sense

True statement in 1970, not so much today. The excessive amounts of THC in today's weed is frying young people's brains, and is an increasing reason mental health issues are rising at alarming rates. Our ex son in law proved this to me first hand and my wife sees it on a daily basis in her work as a counselor. There's more than a few clinical studies that get suppressed by today's multi-billion dollar "Big Weed" industry that likes to say weed is safe and natural as their own marketing ploy that's worse than anything big tobacco did, but really abusing any mind altering substance isn't safe and it's proven to cause a significant increase in mental health diagnosis.

 

[Bigfatcock]

True statement in 1970, not so much today. The excessive amounts of THC in today's weed is frying young people's brains, and is an increasing reason mental health issues are rising at alarming rates. Our ex son in law proved this to me first hand and my wife sees it on a daily basis in her work as a counselor. There's more than a few clinical studies that get suppressed by today's multi-billion dollar "Big Weed" industry that likes to say weed is safe and natural as their own marketing ploy that's worse than anything big tobacco did, but really abusing any mind altering substance isn't safe and it's proven to cause a significant increase in mental health diagnosis.

Lol.

 

[BurtG]

Alcohol is worse than weed so it makes sense

Lol I’ve known of a lot of people that drink too much but work hard and are productive citizens

Pot heads not so much.

 

[W54/XM-388]

When the constitution and the bill of rights were written all these "illegal drugs" were not only legal, but in widespread use by the populace, including the leaders and those who wrote the constitution and put out the bill of rights.

The Stupid "good" folks never learned from the horror that became their stupid prohibition B.S. which gave us the FBI, gave us oppressive federal regulations, took away a huge amount of our Gun rights and started Law Enforcement down the road of becoming storm troopers. Stupid idiots that called themselves Christians didn't even bother reading their bibles before foaming at the mouth demanding government oppress what their false leaders railed on against.

Nope they went and did it all over again and begged the government for horrific tyranny.
The war on drugs made sure drugs won and destroyed the country while allowing the government to turn tyrannical and destroy civil liberties.

I have no problem if someone wants to enjoy recreationally using substances the government currently hates. The government has no business trying to use that as one of a huge number of bogus excuses to prohibit you from your rights.

All the "Prohibiting" offenses pretty much are pure B.S. and need to be swept away.

 

[Lug Nut]

More than 140-k die from alcohol every year.

Nobody has ever died from weed overdose. Ever…

We’re fighting a plant that has never killed anyone.

And how did it come to be that weed is illegal?

Lean about Harry Anslinger.

Any freedom loving American should be outraged.

 

[Bigfatcock]

Marijuana makes white women do inappropriate dances. We must keep it illegal to save society.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Way out from left-field here, and multiply that by a loose jumble-of-thoughts..... so here's some conspiracy:

Shipping used to use primarily 'hemp' rope. "Manila Hemp" if I do recall. The fiber is strong and pliant. There used to be a LOT of hemp grown, for the rope business in both merchant and naval shipping. (fire in the rope-locker....)

The fiber from the plant is ALSO very good for other things such-as paper, cloth, (look at the prevalence of 'bamboo' in the past few decades) and such as well.

A 'softwood lumber' tree be-it Spruce/Pine/Fir takes ~70 years to grow to a reasonably produceable product. A square mile of said trees would need to stay dormant for 70 years, before harvesting again. Whereas hemp, in that same square-mile footprint, can be harvested to produce the same amount of fiber in a few years. (less than 10, and mostly less than 5)

Shipping and cartage mostly use Nylon lines, or some other polymer. Rigging is mostly done with wire-ropes now, with either chain or nylon slinging. But who do you think "behind the scenes" was behind the 'marijuana is bad' mantra, way-back-when?

If you think I'm completely nuts, and out-to-lunch, just do some of your own research of the "Softwood Lumber Agreement" and it's history. See the companies involved, the people behind the companies involved, the timelines, and the 'strength' they all still carry, today.

See where you're not looking, read what's not being written, and hear what's not being said.

OR, follow the 'news'.

 

[Herb Stoner]

But, at least you don’t end up smelling like a Bob Marley concert if someone is drinking a beer next to you at a bar…

 

[n2ishun]

Way out from left-field here, and multiply that by a loose jumble-of-thoughts..... so here's some conspiracy:

Shipping used to use primarily 'hemp' rope. "Manila Hemp" if I do recall. The fiber is strong and pliant. There used to be a LOT of hemp grown, for the rope business in both merchant and naval shipping. (fire in the rope-locker....)

The fiber from the plant is ALSO very good for other things such-as paper, cloth, (look at the prevalence of 'bamboo' in the past few decades) and such as well.

A 'softwood lumber' tree be-it Spruce/Pine/Fir takes ~70 years to grow to a reasonably produceable product. A square mile of said trees would need to stay dormant for 70 years, before harvesting again. Whereas hemp, in that same square-mile footprint, can be harvested to produce the same amount of fiber in a few years. (less than 10, and mostly less than 5)

Shipping and cartage mostly use Nylon lines, or some other polymer. Rigging is mostly done with wire-ropes now, with either chain or nylon slinging. But who do you think "behind the scenes" was behind the 'marijuana is bad' mantra, way-back-when?

If you think I'm completely nuts, and out-to-lunch, just do some of your own research of the "Softwood Lumber Agreement" and it's history. See the companies involved, the people behind the companies involved, the timelines, and the 'strength' they all still carry, today.

See where you're not looking, read what's not being written, and hear what's not being said.

OR, follow the 'news'.

Speaking of learning.
Weed is an annual, you harvest every year because it dies every winter.
Unless cloned which is a whole different subject.
George Washington was very well known for growing weed.
The oil produced by the seeds can be used as fuel, in foods, in paints....etc etc...and is the most valuable product from the plant.
Well, other than recreational products.

 

[AngryKoala]

True statement in 1970, not so much today. The excessive amounts of THC in today's weed is frying young people's brains, and is an increasing reason mental health issues are rising at alarming rates. Our ex son in law proved this to me first hand and my wife sees it on a daily basis in her work as a counselor. There's more than a few clinical studies that get suppressed by today's multi-billion dollar "Big Weed" industry that likes to say weed is safe and natural as their own marketing ploy that's worse than anything big tobacco did, but really abusing any mind altering substance isn't safe and it's proven to cause a significant increase in mental health diagnosis.

It's more harmful as a gateway drug but smoking a substance isn't healthy no matter what the potheads say.

 

[Redmanss]

It's more harmful as a gateway drug but smoking a substance isn't healthy no matter what the potheads say.

I don't look at "gateway" very much, that's often a skewed argument and lots of things in life are a gateway as well as being easily avoided. I'm looking exclusively at weed, and today's weed is too fucking potent for teens and young adults to use it even semi-often and not have significant risk of being seriously affected in the long term. It's far from as "green and natural" as the industry proclaims it to be.

 

[Bigfatcock]

I don't look at "gateway" very much, that's often a skewed argument and lots of things in life are a gateway as well as being easily avoided. I'm looking exclusively at weed, and today's weed is too fucking potent for teens and young adults to use it even semi-often and not have significant risk of being seriously affected in the long term. It's far from as "green and natural" as the industry proclaims it to be.

You can get weaker strains.

People worried about weed potency while Gen-x and millennials have been pumping their kids full of prescription drugs from a young age because they talk too much in school.

 

[jb0311]

I don't look at "gateway" very much, that's often a skewed argument and lots of things in life are a gateway as well as being easily avoided. I'm looking exclusively at weed, and today's weed is too fucking potent for teens and young adults to use it even semi-often and not have significant risk of being seriously affected in the long term. It's far from as "green and natural" as the industry proclaims it to be.

I would argue anyone with a developing brain shouldn't be fucking it up with any substances.

Lol I’ve known of a lot of people that drink too much but work hard and are productive citizens

Pot heads not so much.

I've known both. Plenty of people smoke and have good jobs and are productive. Either creates the problem you've mentioned if some common sense and moderation isn't used. Lazy is also lazy. Plenty of lazy alcoholics out there. Weed tends to make people comfortable doing nothing, which in their boredom they could be learning a skill. Plenty of people have missed work due to severe physical withdrawal symptoms, of which one doesn't experience with weed.

 

[AngryKoala]

You can get weaker strains.

People worried about weed potency while Gen-x and millennials have been pumping their kids full of prescription drugs from a young age because they talk too much in school.

Some kids actually need that medication and others do not.

 

[Bigfatcock]

Everclear is too potent, therefore alcohol should be illegal.

 

[BurtG]

You can get weaker strains.

People worried about weed potency while Gen-x and millennials have been pumping their kids full of prescription drugs from a young age because they talk too much in school.

That’s a different issue.

The feminization of the American male

And the fix every thing with a pill
Instead of hard work and fixing root causes.


Il argue the legal drug pushers cause more societal problems than the illegal drugs

 

[Bigfatcock]

Some kids actually need that medication and others do not.

How did kids make it before it became a hashtag to pump your kids full of uppers?

 

[BurtG]

Some kids actually need that medication and others do not.

No. 99.9 percent do not need that shit.

Every successful business owner I know has add adhd Drug the kids into being good little docile serfs

 

[AngryKoala]

How did kids make it before it became a hashtag to pump your kids full of uppers?

Kids being a general statement whereas mine is pointing to a small % that actually need it to focus and learn or they won't learn. The medication is usually reduced and stopped as the child grows.

 

[AngryKoala]

No. 99.9 percent do not need that shit.

Every successful business owner I know has add adhd Drug the kids into being good little docile serfs

Which is why I said some not all.....read....words....comprehend.

 

[BurtG]

That’s like saying some people are trans.

Yeah like .00001% of the people they say are



I’d love to hear the people that visit a psychiatrist and don’t receive some kind altering crap. Scum bags for sure

 

[AngryKoala]

That’s like saying some people are trans.

Yeah like .00001% of the people they say are



I’d love to hear the people that visit a psychiatrist and don’t receive some kind altering crap. Scum bags for sure

Not all of them are scumbags, it is ultimately the parents discretion and they are the ones that need to diagnose the issue. When a child cannot focus and falls behind the average in learning, that is an issue.

This is after other methods have been employed such as 1 on 1, counseling, reinforcement at home. The problem exists and the drugs are there to help but the parents have to be responsible and that is the key issue.

 

[Bigfatcock]

I’m just saying, 90% of fudd arguments against marijuana are retarded.

About the only ones that hold any legitimacy are the ones concerned about lung health from smoking it.

Literally every other argument can be applied to alcohol, Oreo cookies, and peanut butter.

 

[hlee]

I’m just saying, 90% of fudd arguments against marijuana are retarded.

About the only ones that hold any legitimacy are the ones concerned about lung health from smoking it.

Literally every other argument can be applied to alcohol, Oreo cookies, and peanut butter.

Alcohol doesn’t cause people to eat my Oreo cookies dipped my peanut butter…

 

[jb0311]

It's true because our government said so...
I'm just thankful they keep me safe from going psychotic from smoking the devil's lettuce, and punish me for not wearing my seatbelt. They punish us because they care.

 

[jb0311]

Alcohol doesn’t cause people to eat my Oreo cookies dipped my peanut butter…

That's because you've never drank with me. I will fuck your oreos up.

 

[Bigfatcock]

I mean, if we really want to drag “For the children!!!” into this, can we talk about stop making children into land hippos?

Child obesity would be a much better subject to discuss when trying to protect youth.

 

[Redmanss]

You can get weaker strains.

People worried about weed potency while Gen-x and millennials have been pumping their kids full of prescription drugs from a young age because they talk too much in school.

I completely agree with this, and kept my own kids off the meds despite their cunt mother's incessant bitching about it.

Weaker strains are available, but how much are they actually sought after? Nobody every said "this is some weak shit" as a compliment.

 

[AngryKoala]

I’m just saying, 90% of fudd arguments against marijuana are retarded.

About the only ones that hold any legitimacy are the ones concerned about lung health from smoking it.

Literally every other argument can be applied to alcohol, Oreo cookies, and peanut butter.

I agree, and I don't have an issue with Marijuana but I also don't want to smell it everywhere I go. My last trip to Atlantic city gave me a glimpse of what thats like.

 

[SBRSarge]

BFC is on to something. Is the high carbohydrate, high refined sugar foods we feed to our kids and to ourselves any better for us than a little weed?

Ive fought with folks on cocaine (powder and crack), heroin, meth, ecstasy…. But I don’t remember fighting anyone on weed.