Female Sniper 309 confirmed kills.

[GrumpyOleFart]

Lyudmila Pavlichenko.
Hero of the Soviet Union.
Accredited with 39 counter sniper kills within her 309 confirmed.
Those Soviet women, certainly did their share.
Never heard of her till seeing a blurb about International Women's Day.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

In the face of true horrors, some fold and go insane. Others become warriors... Like these women...

Seeing your entire family and village brutally massacred by the Nazis would compel many to fight and seek revenge with relentless and truly frightening fury. The Eastern Front 1941-1945 was probably the closest resemblance to hell on earth there is... Wanton slaughter and devastation, and no 'good' sides. Only individual, often unnamed heroes and martyrs... Even in the most brutal and bleakest of the 1970s spaghetti westerns, there was still hope and places for redemption. The Eastern Front had none. One demon or another controlled entire landmasses. The closest to the nihilistic quagmire portrayed in Cormac McCarthy's The Road ever reached in human history.

 

[TheGerman]

Its Russian numbers and its WW2.

Two factors that make basically any statistic, especially individual statistic basically not believable.

Hell, I remember a while back there was a whole thing taking apart Zeitsev's memoirs and how certain things couldn't have/didn't happen or he wasn't where he said he was, Heinz Thorvald didn't exist, etc

Kind of hot tho.

 

[M8541Reaper]

Its Russian numbers and its WW2.

Two factors that make basically any statistic, especially individual statistic basically not believable.

Hell, I remember a while back there was a whole thing taking apart Zeitsev's memoirs and how certain things couldn't have/didn't happen or he wasn't where he said he was, Heinz Thorvald didn't exist, etc

Kind of hot tho.

Right?

But I read it in a caption on the AOL, so it must be true.

 

[Anb618]

Its Russian numbers and its WW2.

Two factors that make basically any statistic, especially individual statistic basically not believable.

Hell, I remember a while back there was a whole thing taking apart Zeitsev's memoirs and how certain things couldn't have/didn't happen or he wasn't where he said he was, Heinz Thorvald didn't exist, etc

Kind of hot tho.

“TheGerman” would obviously try to discredit this story.
Just saying.

 

[rhsc]

Pavlichenko sounds Ukrainian. I'm guessing the Soviets were lucky she didn't start plugging their sorry asses as revenge for the Holodomor.

 

[Redmanss]

Still a fucking commie bitch. Fuck her with a pineapple grenade.

And @TheGerman is right, the Soviets boosted numbers big time and made up entire stories for propaganda.

 

[TexPatriot]

No more boom-boom for this baby-san.

 

[TheGerman]

Still a fucking commie bitch. Fuck her with a pineapple grenade.

And @TheGerman is right, the Soviets boosted numbers big time and made up entire stories for propaganda.

Germans did it too.

Read Sepp Allerberger's book. When he was told what his hit count was when receiving the knights cross he was like...wait, what?

For what its worth, when I got the gold rope on my sniper badge, noone was exactly sure how many hits I had, but it was at least the minimum number for it.

 

[Redmanss]

Germans did it too.

Read Sepp Allerberger's book. When he was told what his hit count was when receiving the knights cross he was like...wait, what?

They all did, USA too. But the Soviets were notorious for it, far above any of the rest on either side.

 

[TexPatriot]

They all did, USA too. But the Soviets were notorious for it, far above any of the rest on either side.

Wonder what Chris Kyle's actual number was. A lot I'm sure. He claimed he added a few during Katrina.

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

In war, numbers tend to get fudged.
Everyone knows it happens.
She copped a shitload of shrapnel, and went back on the line.
Later went on to instruct other snipers, so she must have had a skill set.
Regardless of nation or politics, courage is still courage.
Without Russia, the war would have raged for longer than it did.
And added to the slaughter, was Stalin &Co, continuing to butcher his own people.

 

[pmclaine]

Woodie Guthrie had a "woody" for her and communism.



Antifa has been in America longer than they would have you think.

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

Ha!☝
Learn something new everyday.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

She comes up every few years on SH. Along with the whole genre of the WW2 Soviet women snipers. They were an effective group!

Colorized photo above

Below is a group who according to Soviet Media at the time had racked up a combined total of 775 Germans.

There was a lot of 'Propaganda' built around them and individuals like Zaitzev. Both to be motivational to the Soviet troops, the civilian women working in farms and factories and the Sov. population in general. Remember, it was an egalitarian society, and women were equal to men. Supposedly.

The propaganda also terrified the German enemy and their very existence served as a force-multiplier. The Germans had to plan not just to take on military-age Soviet males. But children as young as 13-14, men into their '40's and women. That effectively doubled or tripled the 'perceived' size of the Soviet Military. Causing the German planners to throw huge resources (that they did not have) East. At a tactical level, snipers are always demoralizing. To think that your "Master Race" superman Wehrmacht unit could be matched (or, in some cases decimated) by subhuman Women snipers... well that was something to lose sleep over if you were Private Fritz and wondering if your next walk to the loo would be your last.

The Sov. women snipers were not just force multipliers (kinetically and psychologically) at a tactical level. They were massively effective as a strategic psychological operation. The Soviets knew it. Thus some of the stories were no doubt embellished some. And possibly numbers inflated.

That doesn't reduce their accomplishments as a military force. It actually increases it. You don't have to kill to be effective. If your presence helps with a mission kill, that's fine too.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[1moaoff]

Boobies?

 

[OldSalty2]

Battle for Sevastopol

 

[Maggot]

In war, numbers tend to get fudged.
Everyone knows it happens.
She copped a shitload of shrapnel, and went back on the line.
Later went on to instruct other snipers, so she must have had a skill set.
Regardless of nation or politics, courage is still courage.
Without Russia, the war would have raged for longer than it did.
And added to the slaughter, was Stalin &Co, continuing to butcher his own people.

Thats for sure. Imagine trying D-Day without the Nazis having lost a million or more, and countless resources, on the eastern front.

And while Im at it, fuck Stalin and ALL communists.

 

[MtnCreek]

I thought the red army was motivated by the maxim machine guns staged toward the rear to mow down any soviets that retreated.

 

[diverdon]

Its Russian numbers and its WW2.

Two factors that make basically any statistic, especially individual statistic basically not believable.

Hell, I remember a while back there was a whole thing taking apart Zeitsev's memoirs and how certain things couldn't have/didn't happen or he wasn't where he said he was, Heinz Thorvald didn't exist, etc

Kind of hot tho.

In the new normal: if it passes fact check it's true. If it passes fact check and glorifies communist women over western men it's twice as true.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

They all did, USA too. But the Soviets were notorious for it, far above any of the rest on either side.

Like North Korea... They have spent decades of international aid money building resort towns and amusement parks that operate only when select foreign guests and media are visiting. The guests are often made to sit in their buses, not allowed to get off, until a certain number of handpicked "civilians" (military and Party officials) have been placed in the park to look like they are regular civilians there enjoying a good time. And EVERY actor would be smiling a most unnatural and forced smile during the whole thing...

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Lile North Korea... They have spent decades of international aid money building resort towns and amusement parks that operate only when select foreign guests and media are visiting. The guests are often made to sit in their buses, not allowed to get off, until a certain number of handpicked "civilians" (military and Party officials) have been placed in the park to look like they are regular civilians there enjoying a good time. And EVERY actor would be smiling a most unnatural and forced smile during the whole thing...

Potemkin village on the Z! I assume it’s still there.

 

[ColinW]

I can’t help but wonder if these badass ladies made any sammiches before battle?

Joking aside....Almost every woman I’ve seen around firearms, after being properly taught good fundamentals, was an absolute pristine shooter! It must be something with the female instincts.

 

[TexPatriot]

Woodie Guthrie had a "woody" for her and communism.



Antifa has been in America longer than they would have you think.

Yeah, fuck Woody Guthrie. I never listened to that pinko commie hippy back when he was popular in the 70's and now I know why. I stopped listening @ 0:48.

There are plenty of sharpshooters and unsung heroes from the U.S. he could have written his cute little folksy song about.

 

[buffalowinter]

Just happened to watch a movie centered around her story. Fairly interesting, big budget extravaganza. Russian with subtitles. She visited the U.S., stayed at the White House, and became friends with Eleanor Roosevelt. And yes, she was Ukrainian, but her father was an officer in the NKVD.

 

[pmclaine]

Yeah, fuck Woody Guthrie. I never listened to that pinko commie hippy back when he was popular in the 70's and now I know why. I stopped listening @ 0:48.

There are plenty of sharpshooters and unsung heroes from the U.S. he could have written his cute little folksy song about.

Birds of a feather......

Eleanor Roosevelt and the Soviet Sniper

Pavlichenko was a Soviet sniper credited with 309 kills—and an advocate for women's rights. On a U.S. tour in 1942, she found a friend in the first lady

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[MtnCreek]

Was she a dyke like eleanor?

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Potemkin village on the Z! I assume it’s still there.

It's still there... Concrete shells built to resemble apartment flats but no windows or floor levels inside. And timed lights at night set to switch on and off randomly to give the impression that the buildings are occupied...





Here is a Pyongyang supermarket built only to 'impress foreigners'. Locals are NOT allowed to even set foot near it. All shoppers and staff inside are strategically placed state NPCs...



Fake hamburgers...



Creepy as fuck...

 

[TexPatriot]

Was she a dyke like eleanor?

She hated the Marine Raiders and labeled them as killers, unfit to rejoin society when they returned from the Pacific in WWII. She wanted them exiled to their own little island in the Pacific.

Democrats are big on creating camps.

 

[MarinePMI]

Its Russian numbers and its WW2.

Two factors that make basically any statistic, especially individual statistic basically not believable.

Hell, I remember a while back there was a whole thing taking apart Zeitsev's memoirs and how certain things couldn't have/didn't happen or he wasn't where he said he was, Heinz Thorvald didn't exist, etc

Kind of hot tho.

Yeah, I can think of a few Kurdish female snipers that probably gave some of these purported Russian WWII snipers, a run for their money...Syria was/is ugly...

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

Kurdish Peshmerga.
The ISIS fuckers were terrified of their female snipers. "To be shot by a woman, is to be denied Paradise"

 

[W54/XM-388]

Yeah, I can think of a few Kurdish female snipers that probably gave some of these purported Russian WWII snipers, a run for their money...Syria was/is ugly...

After seeing what ISIS as well as our "allies" would do to women, I'm pretty sure lots of Kurdish women understood pretty quickly that it's better to die fighting, at least you hopefully will die if things go bad.

 

[TexPatriot]

Boobies?

Big Russian bushes.

 

[pmclaine]

She hated the Marine Raiders and labeled them as killers, unfit to rejoin society when they returned from the Pacific in WWII. She wanted them exiled to their own little island in the Pacific.

Democrats are big on creating camps.

Cant believe that....her own son was one......landed on Makin Island Raid....Navy Cross....kind of ballsy.


If he had some pull the Marines might have fielded Johnson Rifles instead of the Garand.

 

[MtnCreek]

Cant believe that....her own son was one.

There's a quote from her (not sure if true) something like Marines have the dirtiest minds, highest morale or something like that. That probably got butchered by someone along the way.

 

[Rlb40x]

Big Russian bushes.

Not anymore.
I had a Ukrainian girl friend once and she kept it smooth as silk.
She would holler out, Fuuuk my puucy.
It was fun for a while, but the crazy was to much lol.

 

[pmclaine]

There's a quote from her (not sure if true) something like Marines have the dirtiest minds, highest morale or something like that. That probably got butchered by someone along the way.

Yep.

I think she was in Australia or New Zealand during or just after Guadalcanal.....no one was hating on the Marines than.

 

[pmclaine]

Not anymore.
I had a Ukrainian girl friend once and she kept it smooth as silk.
She would holler out, Fuuuk my puucy.
It was fun for a while, but the crazy was to much lol.

What did she have against her cat?

 

[UKDslayer]

This reminds me Enemy at the Gates in on Pluto TV free now... I know its not about her but damn sniper/countersniper good movie if anyone hasn't seen it...

 

[Davo308]

I know they functioned more as designated marksman, were the sniper variant 91-30s widely used or lots of rifles with open sights?

I'm wondering if the numbers of scoped rifles were sufficient or if it was propaganda.

 

[steve podleski]

Typical Soviet propaganda wrt her(over 300kills in less than one year during 1941-1942 (before Stalingrad)!!. Her fake fame was known to many Soviet women snipers: ("Avenging Angels" by Lyuba Vinagradova https://www.amazon.com/Avenging-Ang...eywords=avenging+angels&qid=1615415176&sr=8-1.

Here is the story of true Soviet women sniper decorated as "Hero of the Soviet Union" Roza Shanina whom I suspect the fake hero stole some of her story .

 

[steve podleski]

Kurdish Peshmerga.
The ISIS fuckers were terrified of their female snipers. "To be shot by a woman, is to be denied Paradise"

I wonder if the Taliban have the same beliefs! That alone would make it worthwhile to have platoons of US women snipers

 

[sirhrmechanic]

She hated the Marine Raiders and labeled them as killers, unfit to rejoin society when they returned from the Pacific in WWII. She wanted them exiled to their own little island in the Pacific.

Democrats are big on creating camps.

That's not true.... Vandegrift had a jones for Raiders. He thought all Marines were elite. While Holcomb was open to Paramarines and Raiders and interesting concepts.

Vandegrift killed the raiders. Eleanor had nothing whatsoever to do with it. I know... I'm writing the book.

Sirhr

 

[Threadcutter308]

She comes up every few years on SH. Along with the whole genre of the WW2 Soviet women snipers. They were an effective group!

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Colorized photo above

Below is a group who according to Soviet Media at the time had racked up a combined total of 775 Germans.

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There was a lot of 'Propaganda' built around them and individuals like Zaitzev. Both to be motivational to the Soviet troops, the civilian women working in farms and factories and the Sov. population in general. Remember, it was an egalitarian society, and women were equal to men. Supposedly.

The propaganda also terrified the German enemy and their very existence served as a force-multiplier. The Germans had to plan not just to take on military-age Soviet males. But children as young as 13-14, men into their '40's and women. That effectively doubled or tripled the 'perceived' size of the Soviet Military. Causing the German planners to throw huge resources (that they did not have) East. At a tactical level, snipers are always demoralizing. To think that your "Master Race" superman Wehrmacht unit could be matched (or, in some cases decimated) by subhuman Women snipers... well that was something to lose sleep over if you were Private Fritz and wondering if your next walk to the loo would be your last.

The Sov. women snipers were not just force multipliers (kinetically and psychologically) at a tactical level. They were massively effective as a strategic psychological operation. The Soviets knew it. Thus some of the stories were no doubt embellished some. And possibly numbers inflated.

That doesn't reduce their accomplishments as a military force. It actually increases it. You don't have to kill to be effective. If your presence helps with a mission kill, that's fine too.

Cheers,

Sirhr

And.......I remember this pic well. The one on the bottom/front right has her pic on the back of the milk carton that is being opened for the first time while "Enter Sandman" plays in the background.

Jeebuz, she scares the shit out of me just looking at her.

 

[pmclaine]

That's not true.... Vandegrift had a jones for Raiders. He thought all Marines were elite. While Holcomb was open to Paramarines and Raiders and interesting concepts.

Vandegrift killed the raiders. Eleanor had nothing whatsoever to do with it. I know... I'm writing the book.

Sirhr

Jimmy Roosevelt, Raider, came from her vagina so if he was dirty than.....well you figure it out for your book.

Should be a good book seeing as you live in Edson Land.

Red Mike may also have been ready to rein in the Raiders.....I think Evans Carlson had people a little on edge with the commie stuff.

 

[TexPatriot]

That's not true.... Vandegrift had a jones for Raiders. He thought all Marines were elite. While Holcomb was open to Paramarines and Raiders and interesting concepts.

Vandegrift killed the raiders. Eleanor had nothing whatsoever to do with it. I know... I'm writing the book.

Sirhr

Yeah, it is true. Research Goodbye Darkness and learn from William Manchester, who was also a Raider.

I never said Eleanor herself killed the Marine Raiders but if she was the Hillary behind the scenes and with her hard-on for the Raiders then I'm going assume she something to do with it.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Yeah, it is true. Research Goodbye Darkness and learn from William Manchester, who was also a Raider.

I never said Eleanor herself killed the Marine Raiders but if she was the Hillary behind the scenes and with her hard-on for the Raiders then I'm going assume she something to do with it.

I've read it... it's part of my library. And cited in my book. Manchester had his own agenda. And it did not include Eleanor.

Vandegrift thought all Marines were elite. And that creating 'elite groups of Marines' was not productive or necessary. And as soon as he became Commandant, he disbanded them, along with the ParaMarines.

However, he did approve the Scout-Sniper concept based on his Guadalcanal experience. And one of my interviews was with the late Ed Bearss, Who was in the first class of Scout Snipers.

Eleanor Roosevelt was also the godmother of the Marine who is subject of my book. So my dives into the archives at Hyde Park occupied days. As well as research at Quantico. I can assure you that Manchester was being... William Manchester. And Goodbye Darkness, written 30+ years after the wars has his opinions and catharsis in it. But it is not an archival-research book. It was researched with battlefield visits that must have been amazing, just a few decades after the war. It is actually, IMHO, one of the two or three best memoirs of WW2 Pacific Theater. I think I referenced it in an Okinawa Podcast I did a year ago. But his assertion that Eleanor killed the Raiders is flat wrong. He may have believed it. But there is no supporting evidence.

All her correspondence with FDR is preserved. To have 'killed' the Raiders, she would have had to have hubby push down on the CNO, King, who would have pushed down on Vandegrift. And None of that material exists. Moreover, Vandegrift says in his own memoir 'Once a Marine' that he was opposed to Elite Marines.

I don't doubt your citation of Manchester. But I do doubt Manchester's narrative and assertions.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Threadcutter308]

Here is Eleanor Roosevelt's comment about the Marines;

The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!​

Beyond that, I have so little knowledge compared to all other posters here, I am going to reserve any further comment. I remain fascinated to wait upon further comment from those, much smarter than I. Please carry on Gentlemen.

 

[TexPatriot]

I've read it... it's part of my library. And cited in my book. Manchester had his own agenda. And it did not include Eleanor.

Vandegrift thought all Marines were elite. And that creating 'elite groups of Marines' was not productive or necessary. And as soon as he became Commandant, he disbanded them, along with the ParaMarines.

However, he did approve the Scout-Sniper concept based on his Guadalcanal experience. And one of my interviews was with the late Ed Bearss, Who was in the first class of Scout Snipers.

Eleanor Roosevelt was also the godmother of the Marine who is subject of my book. So my dives into the archives at Hyde Park occupied days. As well as research at Quantico. I can assure you that Manchester was being... William Manchester. And Goodbye Darkness, written 30+ years after the wars has his opinions and catharsis in it. But it is not an archival-research book. It was researched with battlefield visits that must have been amazing, just a few decades after the war. It is actually, IMHO, one of the two or three best memoirs of WW2 Pacific Theater. Asidew I think I referenced it in an Okinawa Podcast I did a year ago. But his assertion that Eleanor killed the Raiders is flat wrong. He may have believed it. But there is no supporting evidence.

All her correspondence with FDR is preserved. To have 'killed' the Raiders, she would have had to have hubby push down on the CNO, King, who would have pushed down on Vandegrift. And None of that material exists. Moreover, Vandegrift says in his own memoir 'Once a Marine' that he was opposed to Elite Marines.

I don't doubt your citation of Manchester. But I do doubt Manchester's narrative and assertions.

Cheers,

Sirhr

As and aside from our discussion; when Bill 'Slim' Manchester described the hut on the Okinawa beach as hiding a Jap sniper and kicking the door in only to find an empty room of a two room shack, I reimagine that scene in my head.

Robin fat Japanese soldier in a too small uniform tangled up in his sniper's sling...

 

[sirhrmechanic]

As and aside from our discussion; when Bill 'Slim' Manchester described that hut that on the Okinawa beach as hiding a Jap sniper and kicking the door in only to find an empty room of a two room shack, I reimagine that scene in my head.

Robin fat Japanese soldier in a too small uniform tangled up in his sniper's sling...

His prose is some of the best of the war.

He is one of the greatest military historians of all time.

American Caesar set a standard. His Okinawa book is incredible. And The Last Lion (he didn't write the third volume... he died while writing it) is superb.

But Goodbye Darkness, IMHO, will forever be his best book. It represented catharsis for tens of thousands of Pacific veterans... and probably a lot of ETO ones as well. I think it's still highly-relevant today... though thousands of miles and decades removed from the sandbox.

Cheers,

Sirhr