Re: FFP or Not??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Glocksteady</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good God!
1. I don't know why you are pretending to have such a low opinion of yourself yet again in this thread. My post was only a joke.
Your feigned innocence does not hide your antagonistic attitude. Have the balls to stand behind what you say. It obviously was meant to discredit, patronize me.
2. Your post doesn't really make sense to me, as you talk about sfp scopes not being off much on their sub tensions on different powers, yet if it is set at 20x and you dial down to 5x, it will be off by a factor of 4!
I never said the subtensions were off. You can not range a small target as effectively on low magnifications. 1.3 subtensions at 20x is a hell of a lot easier to make out than on 5x. As I stated earlier, Graham is right. FFP is useful when engaging multiple targets at different distances under time constraints - like in competition. Not ranging.
3. You also say how it must be so hard to measure something 12x6" at one high power vs another, when it's about the same.
I never said this. Please refer to point 2 above.
4. Then you talk about how you would use other weapons to kill people getting progressively closer to you, and don't advise a bolt gun for such work, when this has nothing to do with the topic.
The uses for FFP has everything to do with this topic. They really shine on semi auto weapons as opposed to bolt guns. Again, to quote Graham, "FFP is useful when engaging multiple targets at different distances under time constraints - like in competition". I don't think you can argue that a semi auto weapon with 10 or more rounds would not be better than a Remington 700 with 5 rounds for shooting multiple moving deer, targets, or people.
5. The meme is from a movie where a respondent gives a detailed response to a question, but fails to convey any real usable answers. Don't be so hard on yourself.
Meme is from the Greek word mimeme, they didn't have movies. They only one being hard on me is you, trying to twist my words with little to no thought as to what I am saying. I personally wonder about anyone who uses the word. You must be a bundle of joy to hang out with.
6. For example, what does anything in this entire paragraph actually mean?
"I just don't see how one can accurately range a 9" x 6" target at less than max magnification with an FFP. The differences in subtensions are EXTREMELY small at 24x with an SFP at any real distance. I can not imagine how accurately you could read them at 12x with the FFP."
Refer to point 2.
I hope you enjoyed this little pissing match. It's apparent you were joking and your just an obnoxious person. Your disdain for me is obvious but don't twist my words around to make them appear as though they have no credence.</div></div>
LOL. Yes, I clearly just hate you, I CLEARLY have such DISDAIN even though you are just a random person who joined a forum I belong to a few days ago. It's clearly not that your post didn't make sense, it's that I am antagonistic and have no balls. I guess in your opinion it really takes balls to not back down in an argument online. It's kind of funny to see that you are dramatically trying to insult me as if to show how tough you are, after revealing how thin your skin is by flipping out at a simple joke!
The truth is though, that your post didn't make much sense, and that I made a joke out of it. I didn't realize you would take it so personally, I'll make sure not to make a joke near you again. Now I'll just break down exactly why I implied your post doesn't make any sense.
I'll just cover this quote again, so you see where I'm coming from:
"I just don't see how one can accurately range a 9" x 6" target at less than max magnification with an FFP. The differences in subtensions are EXTREMELY small at 24x with an SFP at any real distance. I can not imagine how accurately you could read them at 12x with the FFP."
If your max magnification is 20x, and because of the FOV is too small for your target, you might dial down to say, 12x. "I just don't see how one can accurately range a 9" x 6" target at less than max magnification"
Why not? With FFP it is literally the EXACT same process. Snipers have been ranging targets out to 1000 meters or so for a long time with 10x scopes. Why do you need to be at maximum zoom to range? With 15x the picture would be 50% bigger... At 1000m, it would be like looking at a 9" target ~75m away, and holding a ruler up to it. Of course this really isn't the point of a FFP scope. You would leave the magnification all the way up to range a small target far out, unless mirage was too much, then you might decrease the mag.
If you had said something like 'I can't see well enough to range smaller targets at anything less than 20x at very long distances, so I can't see the use in dialing down the magnification." then I could understand what you were saying. Is this what you meant? Because you said you don't know how someone can range a small target with anything less than whatever the max zoom on their scope was. This statement doesn't make any sense really, because if their scope went up to 30x, how can you not understand that ranging at 20x is possible?
"The differences in subtensions are EXTREMELY small at 24x with an SFP at any real distance."
Again, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?? I really don't know. When you say something is different, it is different from SOMETHING ELSE. Two is greater than one, red is different than blue. Not 'Two is greater' or 'the difference between red is extremely small'. This is why I don't understand what you're saying.
Maybe you're saying that the spaces between the mildots are very small on 24x, but they aren't, they are huge! Or are you saying that if the scope is set up for 20x ranging, and you use 24x to range, the differences in the size of the subtensions are extremely small between the two magnifications? If that is what you're saying, I again do not agree, because that is a 20% difference which is huge.
"I can not imagine how accurately you could read them at 12x with the FFP."
Pretty much more of the same, here I'm guessing you mean at extreme ranges? Because ranging a 9" target at 100m-600m is really easy at 12x, as long as you know the size of your target and have a steady rest.
In all honesty, I did not know what you were talking about in your post. When I tried to figure out what you were saying, the detail in what was written was vague enough that I couldn't decide which one you intended to communicate. When I assumed you meant either one, I disagreed completely with what you were saying, so I made a joke about it. Obviously you didn't see the movie, it's not something to get upset over.
And sorry to again disagree, but according to dictionary.com...
meme   [meem]
noun
a cultural item that is transmitted by repetition in a manner analogous to the biological transmission of genes.
