Rifle Scopes FFP vs SFP

[black_ump]

I am going to go "big" on my next scope, and have been waiting for the viper pst to come out, the FFP model iam looking into is 899 for the 6-24 and 850 for the 4-16.

If you knock about 100 or 150 off that you can get them in SFP, if you add a few more hundred you can get a nice mark4 that is in SFP.

I have to be honest I dont think i will ever learn how to range with the cross hair, but at the same time maybe its so easy i will... would you go for the ffp and spend the extra money on the pst for that feature, or shoot for a new or used mk4 in the SFP ?

before i get 100 posts, yes i know not many have the pst my main point here is for 900 the ffp viper would be cool but also for that price their are a lot of SFP used mk4's in the lr/t line that would also be a steal and out side of not being able to range with the ret on a sfp am i loosing any thing else ?

 

[WOMBAT2879]

Re: FFP vs SFP

If you are going "big" then look at countersniper

 

[DaveV]

Re: FFP vs SFP

You're kidding, right?

Here's your answer

 

[GardDog]

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I had never put much credence in the overwhelming advantage of FFP over SFP scopes. I recently acquired my first FFP scope. I, too, was not convinced that I would ever need to range with my reticle. Since I have had some time behind my new scope, I have become a convert to mil ranging and truly see the value of FFP over SFP (in certain situations). The stock answer of "Try one, before you buy one" sounds condescending, but it is good advice. Make friends with someone who has one and get some time behind it. I'm snake bit now and won't look back.

 

[snipedogg]

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If you call Scott at Liberty Optics you'll save a lot and the price difference will be a lot more. I like my leupy but I would opt for the PST for the ffp and matching knobs and reticle. The ffp isn't just good for ranging, it's good for calculating holdovers which almost anybody will do when shooting at longer distances.

 

[black_ump]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GardDog223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had never put much credence in the overwhelming advantage of FFP over SFP scopes. I recently acquired my first FFP scope. I, too, was not convinced that I would ever need to range with my reticle. Since I have had some time behind my new scope, I have become a convert to mil ranging and truly see the value of FFP over SFP (in certain situations). The stock answer of "Try one, before you buy one" sounds condescending, but it is good advice. Make friends with someone who has one and get some time behind it. I'm snake bit now and won't look back. </div></div>

I had a FFP falcon but it was a 10x fixed i never had one with magnification

how ever i guess ill just spend the extra and get the pst with FFP

 

[poison123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GardDog223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had never put much credence in the overwhelming advantage of FFP over SFP scopes. I recently acquired my first FFP scope. I, too, was not convinced that I would ever need to range with my reticle. Since I have had some time behind my new scope, I have become a convert to mil ranging and truly see the value of FFP over SFP (in certain situations). The stock answer of "Try one, before you buy one" sounds condescending, but it is good advice. Make friends with someone who has one and get some time behind it. I'm snake bit now and won't look back. </div></div>

I had a FFP falcon but it was a 10x fixed i never had one with magnification

how ever i guess ill just spend the extra and get the pst with FFP </div></div>


How the F* do you have a FFP scope that is fixed at 10x.

Jesus christ dude, stop posting and just read the forum. I don't know how you can have 2k posts and still ask the stupidest damn questions.

 

[KNIGHT11B4]

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Ha Ha I may have just found my new sig line

 

[black_ump]

Re: FFP vs SFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GardDog223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had never put much credence in the overwhelming advantage of FFP over SFP scopes. I recently acquired my first FFP scope. I, too, was not convinced that I would ever need to range with my reticle. Since I have had some time behind my new scope, I have become a convert to mil ranging and truly see the value of FFP over SFP (in certain situations). The stock answer of "Try one, before you buy one" sounds condescending, but it is good advice. Make friends with someone who has one and get some time behind it. I'm snake bit now and won't look back. </div></div>

I had a FFP falcon but it was a 10x fixed i never had one with magnification

how ever i guess ill just spend the extra and get the pst with FFP </div></div>


How the F* do you have a FFP scope that is fixed at 10x.

Jesus christ dude, stop posting and just read the forum. I don't know how you can have 2k posts and still ask the stupidest damn questions. </div></div>

see i dont know shit about scopes.... thats why iam asking questions

 

[neeley205]

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Fixed FFP. . . . . Nice.

All FFP means/does is that the reticle zooms in proportion the your magnification so that the "dots" stay as a true measurement regardless of mag. Therefore only needed in variable mag scopes. SFP does not magnify therefore the "dots" are only true measurements at the one mag that is specified by the manufacturer. The benefit of FFP is you can range at the same mag your shooting at instead of say having to change to 10x , then move back to your shooting mag.

 

[black_ump]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snipedogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you call Scott at Liberty Optics you'll save a lot and the price difference will be a lot more. I like my leupy but I would opt for the PST for the ffp and matching knobs and reticle. The ffp isn't just good for ranging, it's good for calculating holdovers which almost anybody will do when shooting at longer distances. </div></div>

i think they want the same for the pst as every once else, i didnt know leading and holding would be different, another reason to get the ffp

 

[poison123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snipedogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you call Scott at Liberty Optics you'll save a lot and the price difference will be a lot more. I like my leupy but I would opt for the PST for the ffp and matching knobs and reticle. The ffp isn't just good for ranging, it's good for calculating holdovers which almost anybody will do when shooting at longer distances. </div></div>

i think they want the same for the pst as every once else, i didnt know leading and holding would be different, another reason to get the ffp </div></div>

Pick up the phone and call Scott. You will be glad you did.

 

[Mike]

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Seriously, I've let this go for some time. I'm all about helping new and inexperienced shooters but you're posts just border on ludicrous. First, this information is already readily available to read. Second, I'm not sure you absorb any information either told to you or read by you.

It's cool if you have a learning disability but we need to know so we can address it accordingly.

 

[snipedogg]

Re: FFP vs SFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snipedogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you call Scott at Liberty Optics you'll save a lot and the price difference will be a lot more. I like my leupy but I would opt for the PST for the ffp and matching knobs and reticle. The ffp isn't just good for ranging, it's good for calculating holdovers which almost anybody will do when shooting at longer distances. </div></div>

i think they want the same for the pst as every once else, i didnt know leading and holding would be different, another reason to get the ffp </div></div>

Pick up the phone and call Scott. You will be glad you did. </div></div>

+1. Like I said before, if you CALL Scott you'll be glad you did. Just let him know your a Snipershide member. Also let him know you have 2000 posts and don't know the first thing about optics

 

[neeley205]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seriously, I've let this go for some time. I'm all about helping new and inexperienced shooters but you're posts just border on ludicrous. First, this information is already readily available to read. Second, I'm not sure you absorb any information either told to you or read by you.

It's cool if you have a learning disability but we need to know so we can address it accordingly. </div></div>

Ha, does this mean I should go back and erase my basic explination?

 

[ORD]

Re: FFP vs SFP

James,

I don't know that you'll ever really get the most out of a FFP reticle-equipped scope, but for the price difference, I would probably opt for it. As far as pricing goes, you really owe it to yourself to get with Scott once SHOT is over and see what kind of deal he can offer you on any of the PST lineup.

You also need a 24x scope for your MSG-90 clone about as much as I need another hole in my head!! It is OVERKILL for your rifle to put it mildly.

Finally, you are going WAAAYYY too damn big on a scope for it to even work properly with your MSG-90 clone. The 24x PST is 15.5" LONG!!!! Even the 16x models are roughly 14" long! So, even the smallest scope you are currently considering is roughly an inch longer than your last scope...how much room did you have to clear the cocking lever and operate it without interference from the scope. Either way, based on my experience building and shooting HK rifles for the last 2+ decades, both scopes you are considering are likely to give you grief with your cocking lever locking back or from using it properly because your scope being in the damn way all the time! More power and a bigger scope is not always the best way to go for every rifle (or any rifle for that matter).

More food for thought...

 

[GardDog]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How the F* do you have a FFP scope that is fixed at 10x.
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[Pat M]

Re: FFP vs SFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GardDog223</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How the F* do you have a FFP scope that is fixed at 10x.
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You can have a single power FFP scope, it is just the placement of the reticle lens in the scope, be it variable power or fixed power

 

[saleen308]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How the F* do you have a FFP scope that is fixed at 10x.

Jesus christ dude, stop posting and just read the forum. I don't know how you can have 2k posts and still ask the stupidest damn questions. </div></div>

ROTFLMAO! My coffee came out my nose!

 

[diriel]

Re: FFP vs SFP

A high post count just means this person like to type! And quite possibly this person has a lot of time on their hands.

/shrug

 

[Extreme454]

Re: FFP vs SFP

Seriously? This post is actually happening? I don't have 2000 posts like the op, but I've spent my years behind a scope or two.
I think the op needs to get some scope time, learn more, then make a more educated decision. Spend the time shooting with a basic scope, decide what you expect out of an optic, ranging, hold over, dial up, etc.... Then search based upon your desired criteria.