Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

[stefan73]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Psycho-82</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So i got a call about 15 mins ago (2300L) from my platoon sergeant saying i have to turn in all my firearms because im "high risk". The only reason im considered "high risk" is because ive been diagnosed with PTSD. All my weapons are registered with post (even though i dont agree with this regulation), im not considered by any medical professionals i see regarding the above issue to be a threat to myself or anyone else, im a CHL holder so the state sees me fit to carry. The higher command (BN lvl) has made a call that all high risk soldiers are to turn in their weapons without making any actual informed decisions based on medical evaluations from current providers. I dont know if this is really illegal... however i do find it immoral as i am now unable to defend myself, my family, nor my property... of which i had a motorcycle stolen from right out in front of my place in broad daylight! Whats are your thoughts on this... and advice? </div></div>

Contact IG and if that does not solve it contact your congressman!! Or you might just skip IG and contact your congressman. I would also seek legal consult with JAG! Another possible route is to contact the NRA!

First thing first, document the time you were called, and exactly what was said by whom!! Document everything, and keep updating who has ordered you to do what and who said what until this is completely resolved. It is hard for a CDR to argue with a congressman when you have a time and the date that he said "blah blah blah"!!!!

Fucking incredible! Good luck!

BTW, your COC sucks unless I am missing something??

 

[stefan73]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Handloader</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They are well within their ability to seize your weapons. This happens in more instances than you are most likely aware of. A high risk soldier is just that (high risk for injury to self or others). The military is experiencing unacceptable levels of suicide (if one can deem any suicide is acceptable), and I anticipate much more stringent programs and evaluations/briefings in the future. That said, I highly encourage you to speak with a health care/ behavior health care specialist to resolve these issues (be it factual issues, or assumed issues). That said, if you want more guidance, PM me, and I will talk to you offline, or point you in a direction were you can get to one of these health care providers. PTSD is real, nothing to be ashamed about. </div></div>

All this does is make soldiers not want to seek help as a result of this sort of jackassery!!!
In all effects the soldier is now being punished for doing what he was told!
Do you or does anybody really think that his chain of command or others doing said acts will stop a kid from killing himself by doing this??? If you do then you are high! It took a piece of pipe, a nail and a 12 gauge shotgun shell for a friend of mine to kill himself!

Also the kid already admitted to being diagnosed with PTSD so he is taking the right steps its just his sorry ass'd POS COC that is weak!

 

[stefan73]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BountyHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tell your First Sgt that you are filing an Article 138 complaint against the Bn Commander and watch what happens. Ask for time to go to Jag to file it and tell the JAG you are considering it.

Google it. It is the most powerful tool and enables anyone under the UCMJ to file a grievance against the Commander. Must be investigated by higher command, goes in his official file and cannot be stopped locally by anyone. Goes to the highest level ie Sec of the Army for final disposition and approval. Pretty much a career ender if proven.

Brings on the instant sanity check to even mention it once the Commander call JAG and asks what is an Article 138 and can they really do that?

BH </div></div>
if you want to stay in the Army. </div></div>

Why would he want to stay in the Army after this..? </div></div>

Because most people, leaders are not fucking retards like this!

Just my .02!

BTW, I'm not mad at you. I'm mad that this poor soldier has to go through crap like this!

 

[Shady_Jay]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

Art. 92 is always going to be the catch-all.

 

[ace31]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

Unfortunately, I have absolutely no legal advice for you. All I can say is I went through some very similar shit when I was in the military and it sucks to find your self fighting the people that you thought would always have your best interest in mind. All I can say is stay strong, dont give up and dont stop looking for resources that will help you with the matter. Most importantly dont allow yourself to be intimidated by anyone. I'm not telling you to start whooping someone's ass just dont let them push you around.

Keep reaching out to your Brothers. We appreciate your strenght in the matter.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

I don't like what I'm seeing here. Something, maybe a lot of something, does not compute.

I would never make a judgement based on a single side of this, or most, stories; and I think we would all be best served by (at least) a night's sleep and some calm reflection.

Late night orders for draconian restrictions do not hatch unbidden out of an untarnished shell. There's likely more to this that has yet to be seen.

Everybody take a deep breath, an even strain, and give this situation some time to gel.

Going off the deep end, threatening this, filing that, seeking the involvement of higher ups, is a course that is fraught with weighty consequences. At least allow the holiday to expire and the necessary personnel to return to their posts.

Nobody likes to have all hell break loose while they're away on leave or liberty. Makes them testy and uncooperative when somebody hits 'em with all of it first morning back.

Be careful what one wishes for, it could be something that looks a lot like a bunch of folks who are pissed about shit going down behind their backs. At you.

Greg

 

[High Binder]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BountyHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tell your First Sgt that you are filing an Article 138 complaint against the Bn Commander and watch what happens. Ask for time to go to Jag to file it and tell the JAG you are considering it.

Google it. It is the most powerful tool and enables anyone under the UCMJ to file a grievance against the Commander. Must be investigated by higher command, goes in his official file and cannot be stopped locally by anyone. Goes to the highest level ie Sec of the Army for final disposition and approval. Pretty much a career ender if proven.

Brings on the instant sanity check to even mention it once the Commander call JAG and asks what is an Article 138 and can they really do that?

BH </div></div>
if you want to stay in the Army. </div></div>

Why would he want to stay in the Army after this..? </div></div>

Because most people, leaders are not fucking retards like this!

Just my .02!

BTW, I'm not mad at you. I'm mad that this poor soldier has to go through crap like this! </div></div>

I know, I'm mad about it too!

 

[chris112]

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Having to put up with this type of nonsense and then they wonder why so many people get out rather than reup. Put up with this type of nonsense for 20 years? NO.

I hope you took several pictures of everyone of those weapons as they were taking them out the door. If they ask why "So that the army gets to pay for any damage that happens while in their possession".

When you talk to a lawyer about this you might want to ask if they have to return these weapons when you get out. Unless I am badly mistaken the answer is yes.

As for the PTSD, lots of people have it and are no danger to themselves or others. Get letters from every doctor that has ever examined you about it that say if you are dangerous or not. Even if you don't need them now you might need them down the road.

Unfortunatly there are a lot of people that can bearly spell PTSD that "think" they know more about it than doctors that have studied the condition for years. Some where in your coc at least one of those wack jobs exists. You have my sympathies because they never seem to learn that they are wrong.

 

[Ghost1941]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chris112</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you talk to a lawyer about this you might want to ask if they have to return these weapons when you get out. Unless I am badly mistaken the answer is yes.</div></div>

I'm assuming they're keeping them in the arms room in the same manner they do for soldiers that live in the barracks. However, most simply find a "friend" off post to store their weapons at.

 

[stefan73]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

You can actualy posses/own weapons on post but they do not allow the soldiers in the barracks the same opportunity.

 

[Ghost1941]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can actualy posses/own weapons on post but they do not allow the soldiers in the barracks the same opportunity. </div></div>

That is correct. Weapons owned by soldiers living in the barracks are required to be checked in and out of the arms room. One could only imagine how difficult it would be to withdraw one. Additionally, the firearm must be registered with the PMO. Weapons owned by soldiers living on post that are of sufficient rank/married are allowed to keep their weapons on post, but again must register the weapons with the PMO. Fort Lewis used to require soldiers to have their weapon registered with the PMO to even visit the range/bring it through the gate to get to the range. Now the weapons are exempt if you are going directly to or returning from the range. Don't get caught loitering.

 

[Psycho-82]

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Well after a lot of back and forth with the commander, my doctor, and others my commander decided to return my weapons, which are now back in their rightful place... my home! And soon on the range again!

 

[cavscout1983]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

Glad to hear this.

I'm surprised the Army has not banned alcohol use if they like to impose such ridiculous logic.

 

[patsim]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

So now the big question is: After going through this mess, do you intend to do anything differently to protect your assests? You know, a new commander, new post or different doctor and you could end up in the same situation.

Glad to hear everything worked out for you this time.

 

[Psycho-82]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: patsim</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So now the big question is: After going through this mess, do you intend to do anything differently to protect your assests? You know, a new commander, new post or different doctor and you could end up in the same situation.

Glad to hear everything worked out for you this time. </div></div>

Well ill be keeping all these documents and letters for future referance. Hopefully that bill that the Sen is trying to get pushed through regarding the weapons will pass which will help prevent this problem. Other than that i dont see what else i could do differently to protect my firearms. There is no family here that i could "sell" them to, and certaintly no one i trust enough to do the same...

 

[Watch_this71]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

When I got back from the desert in 04, I was diagnosed the same way. My COC "informed" me that they had the right to "inspect my offpost residence at anytime to ensure the safety of my family and the disposition of my weapon collection. Long story short, I produced about 10 different letters from mental health professionals (military AND civilian), my reserve deputy badge and ID card for my county, and a letter from the sheriff stating that the county had done a mental eval on me and had found nothing to prevent me from carrying a weapon. The CDR walked out of my house with his tail between his legs and his balls in his hand.

Documentation is the best thing to have.

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

I have a Friend who was stationed in Ft.Hood that just got out about a month ago. When they came back from Afghanistan his CO told them that if they owned a weapon it had to be registered in 24 hours. Everyone that registered a firearm was then told they had 24 hours to turn it in and it would be given back to them in 3 months, and under no circumstances was anyone allowed to buy a firearm. This shit is getting more and more common place throughout the Military. Most of it is at the BC or lower level. So what I suggest to everyone is not registering shit unless you'll be carrying it on post. The UCMJ doesn't give them the right to search your off post housing without a search warrant. If they ask if you would let them inspect your house say no, if they say you don't have a choice tell them they need a warrant, and good luck getting one. Usually you'll go talk to your CO after that and he'll be pissed, but you tell him that no one has any business in your home and thats the way you feel about it. Unless you've gotten an Article 15 or a DUI a Judge most likely won't sign for a warrant just so they can search your house. They can make life hard for you if they are really assholes, which some are. But if they come into your house uninvited go to a lawyer and it won't ever happen again. You would also get reassigned to a new unit or at least a new company.

 

[cavscout1983]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

HBFA-

If you cannot provide an Army wide regulation or post CG memo, I'd hesitate for anyone to take your advice.

What he needs to do is confirm with JAG and the PMO what is allowed and not allowed by reg.

 

[Psycho-82]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HBFA-

If you cannot provide an Army wide regulation or post CG memo, I'd hesitate for anyone to take your advice.

What he needs to do is confirm with JAG and the PMO what is allowed and not allowed by reg.
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According to AR 27-1 what he says is correct, which is why i had a request for redress under article 138 written and ready for the cdr to deny the return of my weapons. I had a legitimate complaint. The military cannot enter your home without a warrant if you live off post... its just like the civilian side where they require probable cause and what they did with me was illegal. I went to JAG however they never actually checked to see what the REG says... instead they go off "the general consensus" which was just the opinions of the rest in the office.

 

[cavscout1983]

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good to know. thank you for providing a reference point.

 

[christian77]

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Glad you got your blasters back...and this should be a LOUD AND CLEAR message to others.

Never register your shit...and don't advertise that you have shit that should be registered.

 

[NoBenz]

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The military is really grasping at straws right now with the amount of suicides within. It hurts that the majority of suicides is by a firearm. I can see it from both sides. The leadership is trying to get the tool of choice out of hands only because they do not wish to see anymore suicides. They know its not going to stop, but it may delay the action being taken long enough for someone to get to the affected person.

We just had the firearms counter open in our BX in the past year. I then had a self inflicted gun shot death within my squadron. My CC is not a very pro gun person in the least bit and I was worried he would try something like the OP's Batallion CC. I was then worried they were going to remove the gun counter at the BX. Its troubling that when something like this happens, they reprimand the whole lot of gun owners. Glad you got it worked out.

 

[Redmanss]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: doorkicker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glad you got your blasters back...and this should be a LOUD AND CLEAR message to others.

Never register your shit...and don't advertise that you have shit that should be registered.</div></div> That's one thing that sucks about NC. The Onslow County Sheriff (Camp Lejeune) required you to get an approval letter signed by your CO in order to get a handgun purchase permit. Don't know if it's still that way now, but it was in 2003. The command knows about every handgun purchase you make. At least then the USMC didn't require registration if the weapon was kept off base. Couldn't move out of that state fast enough!

To the OP, glad things finally worked out in the end, but it still sucks what you had to go through.

 

[DP425]

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I wish I could find the article I recently read... It pertained to a piece of legislation that is either going through currently or has already passed preventing the military from restricting soldiers from personally owned weapons, collecting information on POW's kept off base and forced turn-in's not supported by public law/act.

It was in response to, as I recall, the base commander at bragg requiring all POW's to be registered, and so I hear, he was in the process of writing up a policy letter that no soldiers assigned to Ft Bragg will own private weapons.

My google foo isn't the greatest- if someone else has this info, post up!

 

[Redmanss]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wish I could find the article I recently read... It pertained to a piece of legislation that is either going through currently or has already passed preventing the military from restricting soldiers from personally owned weapons, collecting information on POW's kept off base and forced turn-in's not supported by public law/act.

It was in response to, as I recall, the base commander at bragg requiring all POW's to be registered, and so I hear, <span style="font-weight: bold">he was in the process of writing up a policy letter that no soldiers assigned to Ft Bragg will own private weapons.</span>

My google foo isn't the greatest- if someone else has this info, post up!</div></div> I sure hope that is just a bad rumor. I find it really hard to believe that any CO/CG would ever think of doing something like that, and I would be really disappointed if they did.

 

[DP425]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

FOUND IT!

http://inhofe.senate.gov/public/index.cf...a4-2a293618ec1a


Has not been passed yet. Not sure if it will make it through this year or not!


edit:
Latest Major Action: 5/20/2010: Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.

 

[EddieNFL]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only person family wise that is near me is my wife and according to Ft Bliss Regs spouses firearms are required to be registered as well.</div></div>

Off post housing? No jurisdiction over a civilian spouse.

For times the IG isn't available.

 

[M25BeastShooter]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

Question are you still deployable? If you are how can the Army demand you be deployed where you have to have access to Arms and Ammunition but can't be trusted with your privately owned weapons?

Get a civilian lawyer. Plus sounds like an unlawful order to me.

 

[barrett1142]

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Wow I am no lawyer or deal with any JAG stuff, but I have to say with all of the comments made on this issue for what has happened to military members by commanders I would have to contact the NRA-ILA.

Like I said I am no lawyer but no commander can tell you to turn in any firearm for any reason unless there is evidence that it was used in a crime. You do as a member of the armed forces lose some rights under some circumstances. Like supporting political issues in uniform. There is no loss of your 2nd amendment at any time unless you have violated the right of others, like in a crime. Your commander can not take away your freedom of religion, how could he tell you to turn in your firearms. I think its even a stretch with a medical evaluation that states you’re a danger to yourself and others to take them. Think about it, how can you take away a constitutional right with out a violation? You have done nothing wrong! That’s like saying you cant drive because you drink. You can’t drink and drive, but you can drink and you can drive just not at the same time.

Over the past 5 years I have seen a lot of changes in just the Marine Corps and how we as leaders deal with Marines rights. Things that I did as an NCO, that I would never think of doing today as a SNCO. Like I used to make Marines open wall lockers during field day. Technically I had to have permission, a warrant or commander’s permission, but even with that he has to have a reason like information that an illegal action has taken place. If I had found anything it would be dismissed due to illegal search.

Like I said I am no lawyer. You still have Constitutional rights as a U.S. citizen even if you’re a member of the armed forces.

The first item in your oath after you name:
Due solomly swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States

Just remember the is an order in the oath for a reason. The constitution if first, the same reason the President is the first person you are to follow orders from.

 

[stefan73]

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The military always does the kneejerk reaction to stuff. Suicide rates are getting news and people up at the house are asking the Gen's what are they doing to protect our blood and treasure? Something being done in their eyes is better then nothing.

I live on post and my firearms are registered as required. The gate guards love it when I come through.

 

[wingnut13]

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Hey guys, It seems like this stuff is happening more and more. Our Commander just recently banned all weapons on our base. To start with knives with a blade over 3". NRA was on no help whatsoever.... didn't even bother to return the call. Pretty sure it will be the last year of support for me. Anyhow, call your Senators and Congressman and have them get with Sen.Inhofe his legislation is a fix for all these common issues. Things will get worse unless there is some laws in place to check these Lib~Commanders. ~wingnut

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HBFA-

If you cannot provide an Army wide regulation or post CG memo, I'd hesitate for anyone to take your advice.

What he needs to do is confirm with JAG and the PMO what is allowed and not allowed by reg.
</div></div>

Off post they have no Jurisdiction and have to go through the Civilian LE. Also just tell them they are your wifes guns not yours. I do agree that everyone who's treated this way should Contact JAG and a Civilian Lawyer if they can. The Constitution is not below UCMJ, Stripping a Soldier of his Right to Bear Arms is Unconstitutional at best even though we all know they do it and usually not much gets said about it. Just by telling the CO he needs a search warrant to send someone into your home would get other agencies involved, they may have a better understanding of the Law. It's extra work for the CO and who's CO want's more work?

I'm Glad it worked out for You Pysho-82 without having to have a big fight. Now you know how it works so hopefully you will be able to stop it from happening to someone else in the future.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoBenz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The military is really grasping at straws right now with the amount of suicides within. It hurts that the majority of suicides is by a firearm. I can see it from both sides.</div></div>

I got out in March 2009 and was in WTU for Med Board for the 6 months before that. When they put out the statistics it wasn't Firearms at number one but was pills, mostly mixed with alcohol. Firearms was number 2 for the most used method of suicide.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DMAX2500HD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Like I said I am no lawyer but no commander can tell you to turn in any firearm for any reason unless there is evidence that it was used in a crime. You do as a member of the armed forces lose some rights under some circumstances. Like supporting political issues in uniform. There is no loss of your 2nd amendment at any time unless you have violated the right of others, like in a crime. Your commander can not take away your freedom of religion, how could he tell you to turn in your firearms. I think its even a stretch with a medical evaluation that states you’re a danger to yourself and others to take them. Think about it, how can you take away a constitutional right with out a violation? You have done nothing wrong! That’s like saying you cant drive because you drink. You can’t drink and drive, but you can drink and you can drive just not at the same time.

Over the past 5 years I have seen a lot of changes in just the Marine Corps and how we as leaders deal with Marines rights. Things that I did as an NCO, that I would never think of doing today as a SNCO. Like I used to make Marines open wall lockers during field day. Technically I had to have permission, a warrant or commander’s permission, but even with that he has to have a reason like information that an illegal action has taken place. If I had found anything it would be dismissed due to illegal search.

Like I said I am no lawyer. You still have Constitutional rights as a U.S. citizen even if you’re a member of the armed forces.

The first item in your oath after you name:
Due solomly swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States

Just remember the is an order in the oath for a reason. The constitution if first, the same reason the President is the first person you are to follow orders from.
</div></div>

Too bad these Shit Commanders have a different view of this stuff than we do. Everyone knows that it's take a court case to truly get it fixed. At least some people out there understand the meaning and purpose of the Order in the Oath. I hope Your still in Gunny, alot of new guys need that knowledge.

 

[barrett1142]

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16 years and counting

 

[mexicanmatch]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

God bless all of you who have served then come home to this shit. I sailed on tug boats and we would get haled over by anyone with an orange stripe on there craft. Sometimes an e4 would board and have his men go through the tug looking for drugs and weapons, found some 22's that had been shot but no weapon they held us up for better part of the day and had some ship with a deck gun standing buy. Life goes on

 

[frankythefly]

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This happens quite frequently been there done that, what you have to do is move all your shit to a family member if they live close to you or to a friend you trust, preferably someone who lives off post. They can't touch them off post unless it was for a serious crime. They screwed a soldier of mine when they found a BB gun..yes a BB gun in his barracks room. According to most post regulations that anything that shoots a projectile is considered a firearms/weapon. He inscribed a serial number "FTA" on the frame and registered it and had to sign it in and out of the Company Arms room. He also had to have his projectiles in the Arms Room and count them out and how many he fired. That BS and a shit unit was all my soldier needed to realize that he would not be reenlisting. My advise get the F off of post. With everything that happened at FT Hood I would get all my stuff away from my place and Hide a pistol for defensive purposes. Storage unit with a good safe wouldn't be a bad Idea either.

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

Re: Firearms taken by command due to PTSD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This happens quite frequently been there done that, what you have to do is move all your shit to a family member if they live close to you or to a friend you trust, preferably someone who lives off post. They can't touch them off post unless it was for a serious crime. They screwed a soldier of mine when they found a BB gun..yes a BB gun in his barracks room. According to most post regulations that anything that shoots a projectile is considered a firearms/weapon. He inscribed a serial number "FTA" on the frame and registered it and had to sign it in and out of the Company Arms room. He also had to have his projectiles in the Arms Room and count them out and how many he fired. That BS and a shit unit was all my soldier needed to realize that he would not be reenlisting. My advise get the F off of post. With everything that happened at FT Hood I would get all my stuff away from my place and Hide a pistol for defensive purposes. Storage unit with a good safe wouldn't be a bad Idea either. </div></div>

I just talked to a guy last week that got busted from E4 to E1 for having Ammo in his barracks room. NO firearm anywhere and the ammo was still in the walmart bag with the receipt. I told him he was an idiot for not telling them he wanted a court martial, but he said he didn't care because he's out in 26 days. Now we know why all these guys don't want to reup.

 

[UKDslayer]

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I posted this previously in the wrong thread (sorry);
but this is very relevant to this discussion. I read in a recent American Riflemen there is a Senator, Senator Inahofe from Oklahoma, who has been working against these bills. FYI those who think sending to family members in state may be your answer,if you live in Kansas this plan is in jeopardy, some D uhm Congressmen are trying to even make that reportable.

www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5859&issue=
www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s3388/show
www.inhofe.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction...id...802a
www.thetruthaboutguns.com/.../ok-senator-james-i<span style="font-weight: bold">nhofe</span>-u-s-amry-bases-as-<span style="font-weight: bold">gun</span>-free-zones-has-got-to-go/