First precision 22 - go big or go home?

[Estes640]

Just found out there are some local 22 matches near me. I’ve always wanted to get in on them, but nothing was close. So until now I have held off purchasing a precision style 22. For those that recently have started, I’m curious if you regret the investment of going straight to a vudoo/rimx or if something like a b14r BA or a CZ457 would serve me well to get off the ground and see if I like it? Just interested in picking brains.

 

[kbiss]

Don't waste money like me. trust me you will end up buying the vudoo or rim x. It's called the 22lr rabbit hole!!

 

[Hoser]

Just cut bait and get a RimX or a Vudoo.

 

[6.5SH]

Just found out there are some local 22 matches near me. I’ve always wanted to get in on them, but nothing was close. So until now I have held off purchasing a precision style 22. For those that recently have started, I’m curious if you regret the investment of going straight to a vudoo/rimx or if something like a b14r BA or a CZ457 would serve me well to get off the ground and see if I like it? Just interested in picking brains.

Ask if the club has a loaner rifle and try a match.

 

[oldrifleman]

I agree, see if the matches have loaner rifles. Also see if you can borrow a rifle at the match and see for yourself. Most of us started with a “probably good enough” the moved to a “ now this a better choice and cheaper than the best” and end up buying the “yeah that’s why this one wins”. All this and having spent twice what the original price would have been.

 

[camocorvette]

I vote see if there's a loaner rifle you can try.

I tried to use some squirrel accurate rifles for 22 matches and it's no fun.

Buy the most accurate rifle you can afford. I bought an Anschutz 64T in a 1903 stock and modified it to suit my needs.

When I miss its not my equipment. That's the most frustrating part is having a rifle that doesn't have consistent accuracy to hit the targets. When your cone of accuracy is 2.5" at 100 yards its not gonna be a fun match gun. Something that can hold moa to 100 is going to be more enjoyable.

 

[Estes640]

Awesome. Thanks for the replies. That makes a lot of sense and something I wasn’t honestly thinking of!

 

[BassNbrass]

While I agree with much of what has been said nothing wrong with the CZ457. These days you can get one every bit as nice and as decked out as a 700 pattern rifle for a little cheaper and have less feeding issues with the mags. Also a good way to start in a base or limited class before jumping into open.
That's my take on it, I have both and my CZ was much less picky to get running perfect though I do prefer the feel of the 700 action a bit more.

 

[Emerson0311]

A built CZ. The 700 footprint customs are often like a real race car. Very impressive when used by an expert, but finicky and hard to justify for most enthusiasts.

 

[Mr. Wolf]

A built CZ. The 700 footprint customs are often like a real race car. Very impressive when used by an expert, but finicky and hard to justify for most enthusiasts.

Even a few years ago, the 700 SA footprint 22lr actions had the advantages of more trigger and chassis/stocks choices. Now, that gap has significantly closed. My recommendation would be to first determine your goal for the build and how it will be used.

If you want a trainer for your centerfire rifle and want the set-up to be the same, the 700 footprint rifles would be best. The major 700 SA pattern builds have aftermarket barrels that are well balanced and accurate/precise. My Bergara B14R experience has been more finicky with ejection issues (easily fixed by staking) and the factor barrel being too short to balance without adding significant amount of weight. Some swap barrels to 24-26" and upgrade to a better chassis/stock but by then it cost as much if not more than if you bought a well put together RimX or Vd360.

If not interested in a trainer might be to get a CZ 457 American + 24-26" 1.18 barrel from a reputable rimfire focused gunsmith + Timney trigger + comp chassis/stock. I like blued steel and walnut and I think the CZ 457 American lines are timeless and would make for a great woods gun. For competition set-up, swapping out the barrel with 2 grub screws, dropping it in another chassis, and slapping a competition oriented scope takes 5 minutes. No cartridge feed or case ejection issues in my experience and the newer chassis are designed for easier mag changes with extended mags.

Can't go wrong either way, it's about your intended use. Both set ups are very capable of winning at a minimum local and regional matches, and probably at higher levels.

YMMV, happy shooting

 

[Big Phish]

Depending on your budget if you have the option to get a vudoo go for it as you wont regret it. But remember you top tier optic to go with it then you got all the accessories you gonna need extra mgs. Cheap ammo wont cht it so you need lapua ammo to feed it so if you add all that up you going to be near 10k range. Unfortunately i never see the benefits so have a bunch mid tier that suit me fine for my budget. Hard to go wrong with a CZ as you can change barrel easily and it's proven accuracy.
Rim x have constant feeding issues that i see all the time but not vudoo bergara or cz. I wouldnt mind getting a rimx and see what the issues are but i think its a fitment issues between aftermarket stocks and magazines.
All are good to do the tasks but only you can decide which. You like the most.
Good luck and have fun at it!

 

[obx22]

Remember…
These guys who go from what get defined as lesser rifles, and “end up with” the expensive dream have gained immeasurable shooting experience from the rifles that came before.
No one comes out of the gate with a mega expensive gun and wins all the matches. It’s the Indian not the arrow.
Get what pleases you, and loads of ammo, and get to shooting. Stay off the bench after sight-in, and off of prone other than learning efficiency of movement in building the position. Spend rounds down range on the sucky stuff, the bass-turd barricade heights as a buddy of mine calls ‘em, refining your positions and transitioning.
Remember, steel is steel, but again, to quote my bud: paper doesn’t lie.
This is the way, thus endeth the sermon

 

[Big Phish]

Remember…
These guys who go from what get defined as lesser rifles, and “end up with” the expensive dream have gained immeasurable shooting experience from the rifles that came before.
No one comes out of the gate with a mega expensive gun and wins all the matches. It’s the Indian not the arrow.
Get what pleases you, and loads of ammo, and get to shooting. Stay off the bench after sight-in, and off of prone other than learning efficiency of movement in building the position. Spend rounds down range on the sucky stuff, the bass-turd barricade heights as a buddy of mine calls ‘em, refining your positions and transitioning.
Remember, steel is steel, but again, to quote my bud: paper doesn’t lie.
This is the way, thus endeth the sermon

Agreed! easy to do the bench and prone. Movements and props under timed duress are your thorny issues.

 

[Big Phish]

There is a nice Lithgow LA101 22lr on GB for sale right now.

 

[LR1845]

I have owned 5 Vudoos, 3 CZs, 2 Kidds, 2 Bergara's and currently 2 RimX. If I were you and know what I know now I'd start by looking at the CZs, with all the after market support available for the CZs now days they are hard to beat and they hold there value pretty well.
Gun Broker has the CZs in just about ever stock or chassis made, they also have Vudoo and RimX for you to compare.

Of all of the 22s I've owned the only one I truely regret getting rid of was a CZ455 24" barrel Trainer in the manners stock, a buddy of mine has an Anscutz that he is very proud of, we played chase the fly one day at 75yds, he started and when the game was over he was pissed!! I do make it a point to bring it up just about every time we shoot together and its still a touchy subject.

If you have money with no budget go Vudoo or RimX, or both and even throw a CZ in just because, I am going to buy another CZ as soon as the "you don't NEED that" side of my brain gives up arguing with the "yes you do NEED that" side.

 

[Buckhead]

It depends how serious you think you are about the sport. If you are just looking to get started and enjoy the experience, then a nice CZ will do and you can always upgrade the rifle from there.
If you think you want to be a serious competitor, then just go Vudoo or RimX. As you will quickly discover the cost of the rifle is not the main expense of competitive shooting. Even the best custom rifles are cheap, comparatively speaking. You are still going to need a good chassis with all the accessories, a Tier 1 or 2 scope, rangefinder, tripod, binos or spotter, etc. etc. Then there are the costs of training, ammo, match fees, travel, hotels, etc.
For me, anyway, the cost of a new rifle would be the least of my concerns.

 

[GuideGun]

I decided to go all in from the start. Waiting for a RimX build. Buy once, cry once has always been my motto and I think in the long run it likely saves money.

 

[DownhillFromHere]

A few thoughts. I enjoy centerfire PRS-style matches, but I've come to enjoy .22 matches even more.

• First, what @obx22 said about positional practice is very true. I've seen so many guys sit at a bench trying to hit tiny targets or make tiny groups, then they enter a competition, the timer goes off, and they spend half the par time just trying to build a position and they panic because they have no "feel" for working on the clock. You don't say what kind of competitions you found near you... even if the matches are not NRL22, a newbie can get great positional practice by downloading NRL22 courses of fire from nrl22.com (free account required).
• @Buckhead makes a good point about ancillary costs of competition... but he overlooked a MAJOR requirement: a ballistic calculator. You do NOT "need" an Applied Ballistics-equipped Kestrel; something like Hornady 4DOF or other solvers described here on SH will do fine with environmental data from nearby weather stations. Aside from wind, temperature is the main environmental factor affecting .22. I use a low-tier Kestrel (no ballistic capability) for environmental data and feed it to my solver.
• Ammo. Match-grade .22 ammo is not cheap. NRL22 targets tend to be generous-sized and shot closer in (100 yards, with option on some stages for out to 200), so something like SK Standard+ is usually fine. There's a fair amount of content here on .22 ammo. Have fun.

Now, about the rifles. As has been stated, a CZ-457 is a highly capable platform, either a low-tier variant upgraded with barrel, chassis/stock and/or trigger, or one of the higher-tier ones (harder to find) ready to go right out of the box. I've posted my experience before... here are links.

• Here's a post to a guy who had previous clay-target experience with high-end shotguns. Having traveled that path (I started precision .22 with a CZ-455), I don't think he would be satisfied with anything less than a Vudoo or Rim-X.
• Here's a post with my comparison of Vudoo and Rim-X (I own both... for now).

If I had to give up all my rifles but one, it would be a no-brainer: I'd keep my 1st-gen Vudoo.

The rimfire world is very different from centerfire... come on in; the rabbit hole is as deep as you and your wallet want to go. Come on in.

 

[Emerson0311]

Remember…
These guys who go from what get defined as lesser rifles, and “end up with” the expensive dream have gained immeasurable shooting experience from the rifles that came before.
No one comes out of the gate with a mega expensive gun and wins all the matches. It’s the Indian not the arrow.
Get what pleases you, and loads of ammo, and get to shooting. Stay off the bench after sight-in, and off of prone other than learning efficiency of movement in building the position. Spend rounds down range on the sucky stuff, the bass-turd barricade heights as a buddy of mine calls ‘em, refining your positions and transitioning.
Remember, steel is steel, but again, to quote my bud: paper doesn’t lie.
This is the way, thus endeth the sermon

Preach it brother!

 

[ma smith]

The main problem: to get a rifle to balance, no matter where you start out, you need a "custom" rifle.

So you are looking at $600 CZ with min $600 custom barrel and $600 chassis, and probably ± $400 of weights and accessories. Thats a $2,200 rifle. The rim-x or the vuddo is the same build cost but with $200 more for the barrel and maybe $600 more for the action, so call it $3-3.25k. (It can be a bit more depending on your trigger choice).

And if you wan to shoot lot-tested Lapua ammo, its $1800 a case, min purchase 1 Case.So, with ammo, its min $4,000 for CZ or min $4,800 for the Rimx/Vudoo + glass of your choice. After say 2-3 years, the ± $800 more r700 rifle will probably sell as used rifle for and extra $500 over a CZ. That means you are talking about $300 over 3 years of shooting, a/k/a a upgrade fee of ~$100/year.

This is the perspective also helps why you should consider simply buying a $600 CZ or TIkka. You can get these rifle to shoot 1moa at 50m, and they will function for match use, up to a point, with $800/case SK standard+. Those good quality sporter/hybrid rifles will always be great down the road even if not used in comps--ie for the kids, loaner rifles, or on squirrel duty.

So, if you don't mind keeping that money tied up in the gun safe after year 1 or 2, thats a very viable route I would recommend to a truly "new shooter". But if you are looking to be more realistic, when focused stricly on shooting matches, its pretty much a no-brainer to start out with custom CZ or r700, and between the two, costs aren't all that different (ie, not cheap).

 

[Emerson0311]

The main problem: to get a rifle to balance, no matter where you start out, you need a "custom" rifle.

So you are looking at $600 CZ with min $600 custom barrel and $600 chassis, and probably ± $400 of weights and accessories. Thats a $2,200 rifle. The rim-x or the vuddo is the same build cost but with $200 more for the barrel and maybe $600 more for the action, so call it $3-3.25k. (It can be a bit more depending on your trigger choice).

And if you wan to shoot lot-tested Lapua ammo, its $1800 a case, min purchase 1 Case.So, with ammo, its min $4,000 for CZ or min $4,800 for the Rimx/Vudoo + glass of your choice. After say 2-3 years, the ± $800 more r700 rifle will probably sell as used rifle for and extra $500 over a CZ. That means you are talking about $300 over 3 years of shooting, a/k/a a upgrade fee of ~$100/year.

This is the perspective also helps why you should consider simply buying a $600 CZ or TIkka. You can get these rifle to shoot 1moa at 50m, and they will function for match use, up to a point, with $800/case SK standard+. Those good quality sporter/hybrid rifles will always be great down the road even if not used in comps--ie for the kids, loaner rifles, or on squirrel duty.

So, if you don't mind keeping that money tied up in the gun safe after year 1 or 2, thats a very viable route I would recommend to a truly "new shooter". But if you are looking to be more realistic, when focused stricly on shooting matches, its pretty much a no-brainer to start out with custom CZ or r700, and between the two, costs aren't all that different (ie, not cheap).

In Canucastan the $$ doesn’t work that way. CZ 457 20” $680 at Cabelas. CZ 457 24” factory $840. 22” IBI prefit $600. $12 trigger spring. Anyone who can shoot at the national level will be a podium threat with that setup.
Voodoo barreled action $3450, trigger $400. Duece/Rim-X maybe a bit cheaper. Feeding issues systemic with 22LR 700 actions until they are properly tuned by someone who knows.
Note: I’ve competed with a Savage MK2, 10/22 Comp/Kidd, a T1X/IBI combo for 3 seasons, and Duece/IBI combo all in various chassis from cheap to ACC Elite. Ammo journey from CCISV to Eley Match.

 

[ToddM]

Some of it depends on your personality and goals and your discipline. If you want to dabble see if you like it and gain experience, it's hard to argue against getting a CZ, and just shooting, upgrade a couple things. It won't be a Ferrari, it won't be the best possible setup for games, but it almost certainly won't embarrass you, and the first couple years is more about learning the game, ballistics, positions, ammo testing, ammo lot lotteries, other equipment, etc. than it is wringing every last little bit out of the rifle. If you approach your first year or two, with a reasonable budget, and make it about learning technique, skills, noting what works for you and what doesn't, then you will know if you really enjoy it, want to stick with it, and more about what you want in a high end custom build. Then when you step up to a custom rig you will know what you want/need through experience. Some look at that path as wasted money, I see it as money spent gaining the experience you need to get a better custom build if you stay with it, or save $ if you just want a fun range gun. It also provides a backup gun should you want to get others involved, kids, friends, etc. So I don't look at running a CZ etc. for a year or two as a "waste of money" it's more in finding out what you want or don't want before you make the big purchase.

What I see often is guys do one of two "bad" things.

1) They start with a CZ, buy a chassis, buy a barrel, buy a trigger, buy another barrel, buy another chassis, the list goes on and by the time they are done they dumped $4k into a CZ. Honestly nothing "wrong" with that if it's exactly what you want/need. A lot of those customized CZ's shoot amazingly well, but before you go too far down the upgrade'itus route pull the plug and just go custom.

2) They jump in whole hog spend $5k on whatever, and after their first year they still end up replacing the stock/chassis, trigger, try a new barrel etc. because it wasn't what they wanted because they had no idea when they built it.

Options now are amazing compared to just a few years ago. You can buy some nice pre-fit barrels under $500 and if you just pick up a used 457 you can probably have well under $2000 into it with a chassis. There are even shops (with long lead times) that square and thread 457 actions, and install custom barrels around $1700. You can get a vanilla Voodoo barreled action around $2000, but the better known rimfire shops are getting at least $2500-$3000 depending on options.

At the end of the day, probably the best perspective on guns I've heard over the years is if you shoot a lot, ammo will always eclipse the cost of the gun, even in rimfire with spendy match ammo, that is true.

 

[Memberberries]

Everyone puts so much focus on the rifle itself and not the auxiliary gear that really makes or breaks your match day. Things like a heavy fill waxed canvas bag from companies like Armageddon gear or Wiebad instead of the $19.99 Amazon bags make a huge difference to building positions easily and quickly.

If you gave me a budget to get to a match I would start with all the bare minimum gear(scope, mount, support bag, bipod, magazines, cheek riser)and work backwards seeing how much is left for the rifle because you won't be able to outshoot a CZ, Tikka, or Bergara for at least a season even if you train a lot. Last match I went to I shot better than half the vudoo's there with a brand new cz varmint mtr and I shot more during the match than I had run through the gun beforehand. My only dope was from the sight in time the hour before the match. I had a proper cheek riser, a Harris bipod on a heavy arca rail to get it to kinda balance, and a game changer bag. It didn't take much but that was enough to get mid pack results, I've since glass bed my rifle, tested different ammo, added weight to the front to get it to balance, adjusted the trigger, and my groups shrank significantly while having fewer fliers but I'm expecting the biggest gains to be from getting used to that rifle. Buy once cry once or buy one, run it for a year and decide how you want it to be different, then sell and build another.

 

[DownhillFromHere]

Here's a "thing:" no matter what you start with, if you keep shooting you'll get an irresistible itch to buy/build something else.

That's why I started rimfire competition with a CZ-455 "Tacticool," put it in a chassis, sold it after upgrading to a Vudoo.

Then got a wild hair about building a Rim-X.

Shot the Rim-X for a year in one particular match series... now back to my trusted Vudoo for all competition and the Rim-X is in the back of the safe until I have more reason to sell it or modify its 18-pound bulk to a lighter sporter profile or....

Similar story with centerfire.

There is an an end to it - at least there was for me. Now I've tried different things, and the experience has "immunized" me against wanting different platforms.

Boys & toys. $$$$.

 

[Big Phish]

Like some on here said before. YOLO

 

[steve123]

If I were to buy any 22rf rifle right now it'd be this. I'd have someone make a lower "thumb tab extension", puts some weights on it for balancing on a bag, and that's it.

BTW my 1827F is the most reliable 22rf I've ever come across.

 

[oldrifleman]

If I were to buy any 22rf rifle right now it'd be this. I'd have someone make a lower "thumb tab extension", puts some weights on it for balancing on a bag, and that's it.

BTW my 1827F is the most reliable 22rf I've ever come across.

Mine balances really well with it’s 24” 1in straight barrel it’s about 20 lbs with scope and all

 

[steve123]

Mine balances really well with it’s 24” 1in straight barrel it’s about 20 lbs with scope and all

Better put some pics up to get the OP all softened up to let go of his $$$$.

 

[oldrifleman]

 

[Criver600]

My Anschutz AT-X 1727F, RimX AT-X, Winchester 52C & My RimX M40a1 all balance
If you go the custom rifle route do your research get the right smith, not all pre-fits are created equal. I highly recommend TS Customs, the RimX rifles both run 1-16, 5 groove Bartliens which I also highly recommend

 

[1911Shootist]

After about 6 years of competing, starting with a Savage, and working my way through CZ, Bergara, Anschutz, and Vudoo, I’m back with a CZ. Even with no budget, I whole heartedly recommend CZ. With a good barrel (and there are several great options now), they won’t hold you back at all. Most local matches and monthly COF I’m in the low single digits for misses.

I just wish we had better 2-stage trigger options, but the Timney is good enough. Thankfully I can alternate between TT 2-stages and the Timney CZ single stage without any trouble at 1-1.25lbs.

 

[Estes640]

Oh I’m already watching it fly out of my wallet. Everyone here has some great info, but are a bunch of bad influences

 

[oldrifleman]

Everyone here has some great info, but are a bunch of bad influences

We do our best, Poverty loves company. Now back to my rice and Beans, there’s an X-Ray 51 calling out to me

 

[DownhillFromHere]

Oh I’m already watching it fly out of my wallet. Everyone here has some great info, but are a bunch of bad influences

SSSooooo. Next question is, watchagonnadu wrt an optic for the new rifle???

Whole 'nother cannawurms.

 

[Estes640]

SSSooooo. Next question is, watchagonnadu wrt an optic for the new rifle???

Whole 'nother cannawurms.

I’ve got a ZP5 3-15 I’m going to put on it for now. I’ve heard a lot of great opinions on the CZ457 and I think that’s the way I’m leaning. Just have to find one

 

[Rob01]

If you have the money for a top rifle then buy it. Buying a less than what you really want rifle is wasted money as you will always want the other and spend more money trying to make the cheaper one like the more expensive one and end up short.

 

[LR1845]

I’ve got a ZP5 3-15 I’m going to put on it for now. I’ve heard a lot of great opinions on the CZ457 and I think that’s the way I’m leaning. Just have to find one

Gun Broker.

 

[Memberberries]

I highly recommend the CZ 457 Varmint MTR. Put a cheek riser, foundation universal brass arca rail, area 419 30 moa scope base, and a yodave trigger spring in it. Pick the scope and rings of your choice and try to wear it out

 

[Stevenhansell]

Being left handed I started with a right handed Bergara about 2 years ago. It’s a good option and like mentioned before I learned A LOT trying to balance and shoot it off of props on the clock. I moved to a left handed Rimx after a year and couldn’t be happier. It balances great and my consistency and scores have both showed improvement. With a rifle that shoots as good and reliably as it does then I just need to work on improving myself behind the trigger. Not as easy as just plunking down the money for a gun that shoots but we’re getting there.

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

I’m gonna tell y’all a little story about buy once and cry once. If you have the cash on hand, (6 to 10 thousand dollars) read no further, it’s a waste of your time.

My father was a good man. He worked hard all his life, volunteered to serve in World War II, worked his way through engineering school while supporting his wife and her two children from another marriage and of course I came along. I never understood why he was always talking about how good the cookout fire would now be to cook steaks, but we always cooked hamburgers. He came from a well to do family who took their grocery business, into a multi land holding business. I never understood.

This went on for several years, noting how proud he felt to finally purchase a new car (a Volkswagen? ) but we had a house on the bayou and a couple boats out front and I thought we had a darned good life. Well he worked and worked, tried to create a small business that failed, went back to the furniture business, where he made his name and was quite a well known (but hardly paid well) industrial engineer. But he went back to school. Getting a masters degree. One of the deans was a friend and wanted him to teach. And with me getting on the older side of the teens (15-16) He and my mother were making big plans, his dream was about to come true, a really nice life, being a college instructor with a decent salary and time off to do all the things he had kept putting off and putting off. November 27, 1964, we had a glorious day Duck Hunting with a friend of his. We got three ducks, and I got one. What a happy time for a man who knew if he waited jsut a little longer his dreams would finally become real.

He fell ill after getting home from the hunt, two days later, at 41 years of age, he was dead.

All his dreams, all his wishes, everything was never fulfilled. Buried under a VA headstone.

Point, if you can’t afford a Vudoo, RimX or nice Anschutz, get what you can afford NOW. Don’t sit around, not shooting, because what can afford isn’t what the cool kids (with 6 grand floating in their pockets) have. Can a Vudoo shoot better than an RPRR? Of course. Can an RPRR shoot better than a fellow sitting at home waiting for the chance to get exactly what he wants to show up. OF COURE!

The story, it’s better to get what you can, and get out and shoot, than sit at home waiting and wishing and maybe even saving for the unobtainable.

 

[oldrifleman]

^^^^^^
This

 

[Big Phish]

If you have the money for a top rifle then buy it. Buying a less than what you really want rifle is wasted money as you will always want the other and spend more money trying to make the cheaper one like the more expensive one and end up short.

True but then you have a back up and extra rifle in the safe. Never enough 22’s!

 

[Rob01]

True but then you have a back up and extra rifle in the safe. Never enough 22’s!

Maybe but after I got my first Vudoo the other couple sat in the safe until I sold them. I never shot them anymore. Didn’t have that back up need. lol

 

[MarkCZ]

I’ve got a ZP5 3-15 I’m going to put on it for now. I’ve heard a lot of great opinions on the CZ457 and I think that’s the way I’m leaning. Just have to find one

I would start with a CZ 457, Tikka T1x or a Bergara B14R. The B14R gets you a lot extras, like adjustable stock 700 foot print and trigger. "Don't start adding major upgrades". For now put your money in ammo, and Learn to shoot off props. Go to matches and see what you like and need. Then if you want to move up to a Vudoo / RimX, you don't have a ton of money in your start up gun.

 

[Buckhead]

If you have the money for a top rifle then buy it. Buying a less than what you really want rifle is wasted money as you will always want the other and spend more money trying to make the cheaper one like the more expensive one and end up short.

This^^^. When I started I wanted a Vudoo but settled on a T1X. With the money I spent on that T1X I could easily have gotten a Vudoo. So I wasted a lot of time (-life's most precious commodity) and money struggling and trying to polish a turd. I should have just bought the Vudoo. Even if I stopped shooting, I could have sold it for more than I would have paid for it.
Now I have 2 Vudoos - a Gen 1 and a Gen 3. Problem solved.

 

[bobby1028]

It depends where you're looking to end up. A trainer for centerfire, vudoo or rim x your choice. A dedicated 22lr build only the 457 with all the aftermarket support is as good as the custom 700's...mine has proven so at many matches.

 

[camocorvette]

Yeah I think a cz is a compe

I highly recommend the CZ 457 Varmint MTR. Put a cheek riser, foundation universal brass arca rail, area 419 30 moa scope base, and a yodave trigger spring in it. Pick the scope and rings of your choice and try to wear it outView attachment 8612455

Thats a great set up. I've shot with guys that have similar and it'll hang with the spendy ones.

 

[ma smith]

More and more options. Finland now has a CZ spec Vision chassis

 

[Rob01]

Yup that’s only about $1100 dollars for just the chassis but I guess a guy putting a S&B on top doesn’t care. lol

 

[Lightning8]

I started with a Bergara B14R and jumped on a used RIMX as fast as possible. If you get a C457, B14R, or similar - enjoy them with minimum mods - if you get the bug you will want a RimX or Vudoo. Watch for other competitors swapping rigs and maybe get a deal used.