Florida making moves towards permit less carry.

[GreenGO Juan]

Florida lawmakers begin discussion Monday on bill that allows ‘permitless carry’

State lawmakers will begin considering a bill on Monday that would allow Floridians to carry concealed weapons without a permit.

www.news4jax.com

Sherriff Grady gets it.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

 

[EddieNFL]

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JMB would be proud.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

JMB would be proud.

JMB??

 

[EddieNFL]

JMB??

John Moses Browning

 

[GreenGO Juan]

John Moses Browning

Me-

 

[Sniperwannabee]

Me-
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I didn’t know either

 

[DRandi]

HB 543 for constitutional carry passed.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Media/PressReleases/show/4434

 

[Maser]

For the most part Judd is a good guy, but he fails with his stupid anti-weed logic. I wish all the anti-weed cunts out there would just STFU already and worry about the problem with Rx drugs that turn kids into school shooters.

 

[Rthur]

For the most part Judd is a good guy, but he fails with his stupid anti-weed logic. I wish all the anti-weed cunts out there would just STFU already and worry about the problem with Rx drugs that turn kids into school shooters.

Discounting pro weed or not, what is the root cause of the prescription problem?

R

 

[Maser]

Discounting pro weed or not, what is the root cause of the prescription problem?

R

Doctors and big pharma that push their shit onto kids who don't need it. Remember when doctors actually gave a shit about their patients? I sure as hell don't and I'm 33!

 

[GreenGO Juan]

For the most part Judd is a good guy, but he fails with his stupid anti-weed logic. I wish all the anti-weed cunts out there would just STFU already and worry about the problem with Rx drugs that turn kids into school shooters.

Yea you are never going to 100% agree with anyone on everything. But I support his 2A position. Rx is a bigger issue when it comes to mental stability.

Discounting pro weed or not, what is the root cause of the prescription problem?
R

RX has always been an issue in this country and likely the largest “under the table “ substance problem out there.

Part of it is the assumption that because it comes from a Dr its safe, not a drug. People are oblivious to potential for addiction and heavily abuse, telling them selves its not a drug. Only those evil street drugs are bad mentality… my dr gave me this. Thats the problem.

Thing is Federally cannabis is still illegal, and the possession of firearms and cannabis is a big no no.

But, you don't hear of anyone with a prescription of Xanax, and Amphetamines salts while drinking a beer relinquishing 2A rights. There is a little bit of double standard there lost in the middle all the rules. 1930’s were a horrible time for personal freedom in this country.

 

[EddieNFL]

For the most part Judd is a good guy, but he fails with his stupid anti-weed logic. I wish all the anti-weed cunts out there would just STFU already and worry about the problem with Rx drugs that turn kids into school shooters.

Discounting pro weed or not, what is the root cause of the prescription problem?

R

Certainly not the recreational user just looking to get high and finds himself addicted and shit-posting on gun forum.

 

[Fx51LP308]

The permit-less carry bill has passed both houses and is now on its way to Gov. DeSantis' desk. We are told he will sign it. We'll see.

Next on the list, "Eliminate and repeal" Red flag laws. I've heard him state that he would have vetoed them if he were in office at the time. He was not. It was Gov. Rick Scott that signed them into law. We just have to get the legislature to bring it to him. Not sure they will, but.. The "revenue incentives" as well as the "get guns off the streets" mantra for LE is too great. They are currently unconstitutional (violating 2nd, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments).

Next after that, make "Civil Asset Forfeiture" illegal. Same problems in re: "revenue incentives" for LE. Only a court of law can deprive someone of property after a proper judiciary procedure and adjudication.

 

[Skunk]

But, you don't hear of anyone with a prescription of Xanax, and Amphetamines salts while drinking a beer relinquishing 2A rights. There is a little bit of double standard there lost in the middle all the rules.

It happens.

Federal complaint outlines allegations against Midland police sergeant involved in April standoff

New details have been released on a Midland police sergeant who was arrested in April after he was involved in a standoff following a crash.

www.cbs7.com

 

[GreenGO Juan]

It happens.

Federal complaint outlines allegations against Midland police sergeant involved in April standoff

New details have been released on a Midland police sergeant who was arrested in April after he was involved in a standoff following a crash.

www.cbs7.com

That guy had no business as a cop.

The point I is, I am unaware of prescription pharmaceutical drugs and or use of alcohol causing you to lose that your 2a rights, like illicit drugs do. What that cat was doing was way beyond legal use.

 

[Skunk]

That guy had no business as a cop.

The point I is, I am unaware of prescription pharmaceutical drugs and or use of alcohol causing you to lose that your 2a rights, like illicit drugs do. What that cat was doing was way beyond legal use.

The article isn’t very well written or accurate. He was taking Clonazepam (prescribed to him, and a wife and girlfriend) and drinking Fireball whiskey.

Title 18 Sec 922(g)(3) says “unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance….” The substance itself doesn’t need to be illicit.

There were traces of cocaine in his vehicle, but none in toxicology.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

The article isn’t very well written or accurate. He was taking Clonazepam (prescribed to him, and a wife and girlfriend) and drinking Fireball whiskey.

Title 18 Sec 922(g)(3) says “unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance….” The substance itself doesn’t need to be illicit.

There were traces of cocaine in his vehicle, but none in toxicology.

Thanks for clearing that up, I was ignorant of the specific written law.

Seems there is a lot of grey area determining lawlessness when it comes to addiction. At what point does reasonable use cross the line into addiction/problem, how is that determined?

Also, at what point can someone who previously had issues regain that right?

 

[Skunk]

Thanks for clearing that up, I was ignorant of the specific written law.

Seems there is a lot of grey area determining lawlessness when it comes to addiction. At what point does reasonable use cross the line into addiction/problem, how is that determined?

Also, at what point can someone who previously had issues regain that right?

In this guy’s case, he was eating his prescriptions before he could get them refilled, then finding the pills elsewhere. Use inconsistent with the prescription, or taking/using controlled substances prescribed to another person is “unlawful use.”

Are you asking at what point can someone regain their 2nd Amendment right after a felony conviction? On the federal side, I’m not sure if there’s a way. On the state side, there are avenues to have non-violent felonies expunged after a certain period (Alabama) or provisions for felons to possess guns in their homes for self-protection after five years (Texas). There may be policies like that in other states as well.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

In this guy’s case, he was eating his prescriptions before he could get them refilled, then finding the pills elsewhere. Use inconsistent with the prescription, or taking/using controlled substances prescribed to another person is “unlawful use.”

Are you asking at what point can someone regain their 2nd Amendment right after a felony conviction? On the federal side, I’m not sure if there’s a way. On the state side, there are avenues to have non-violent felonies expunged after a certain period (Alabama) or provisions for felons to possess guns in their homes for self-protection after five years (Texas). There may be policies like that in other states as well.

To paragraph 2-

I think your first paragraph answers what I was trying to ask when it comes to prescription medication, when somebody is seeking use outside the guidelines of there prescription.

 

[BCP]

The permit-less carry bill has passed both houses and is now on its way to Gov. DeSantis' desk. We are told he will sign it. We'll see.

Good! I was worried they were going to fumble it and not pass anything.

 

[n2ishun]

I'm so concerned it's like I'm not even concerned, at all.

Last updated January 3, 2023 . In 2015, Kansas passed S.B. 45 into law, authorizing anyone 21 years of age and older to carry a concealed firearm on their person without a license or permit. Individuals under 21 years of age may only do so when on their own land, abode, or fixed place of business.

 

[Rthur]

Yay, they gave back rights they hadn't the authority to regulate in the first place...

This act alone shows they think they can regulate it at a future date.

Why ask those that contravened the COTUS to make a law to fix it, repeal the laws that have gotten us here.

R

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Yay, they gave back rights they hadn't the authority to regulate in the first place...

This act alone shows they think they can regulate it at a future date.

Why ask those that contravened the COTUS to make a law to fix it, repeal the laws that have gotten us here.

R

It takes a real leap of negativity to see this as a bad thing.

But you do you boo!

 

[Rthur]

It takes a real leap of negativity to see this as a bad thing.

But you do you boo!

Reality may seem negative, show where the quoted wasn't factual.

R

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Reality may seem negative, show where the quoted wasn't factual.

R

Where did I ever say it wasn't factual, I said it comes off as negative. It's a move in the right direction.

But if you wana play that game, define the word regulated, quote the entire 2A and and get back to me.

 

[Rthur]

Where did I ever say it wasn't factual, I said it comes off as negative. It's a move in the right direction.

But if you wana play that game, define the word regulated, quote the entire 2A and and get back to me.

Regulated in 1700s context: Being in proper working order.
Many attempts have been garnered to mean regulation by a authority, false.

I can only point out the contradiction in feeling this was a win.
They are still operating in a capacity that assumes they have the authority to do either good or bad concerning rights.

To be a "right" that was given by God/Higher authority than the goverment it has to be beyond their reach and or regulation.

Here is the water ^^^, drink or not is up to you.

R

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Regulated in 1700s context: Being in proper working order.
Many attempts have been garnered to mean regulation by a authority, false.

I can only point out the contradiction in feeling this was a win.
They are still operating in a capacity that assumes they have the authority to do either good or bad concerning rights.

To be a "right" that was given by God/Higher authority than the goverment it has to be beyond their reach and or regulation.

Here is the water ^^^, drink or not is up to you.

R

So now you’re making up definitions to suit your narrative. I’d say that’s a false statement do you want to keep going?

 

[Rthur]

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So now you’re making up definitions to suit your narrative. I’d say that’s a false statement do you want to keep going?

In 1700s context.
Read the following:

https://armsandthelaw.com/archives/WellRegulatedinold%20literature.pdf

R

 

[GreenGO Juan]

You are reading shit where people (fudd gun nutters) have twisted facts to suit a narrative.

Study the etymology of the word regulate.

You are 100% not factual!

 

[Rthur]

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You are reading shit where people (fudd gun nutters) have twisted facts to suit a narrative.

Study the etymology of the word regulate.

You are 100% not factual!

I get it, you'll not see beyond what you've been told.
BTW the words used with other words can create a new/different meaning.

Dick had a different meaning, as common use in the 50s.
You should know why it has a different meaning in the 2020s/

Look up vaccine while you are at it.
See if you can see where it may have been adjusted for use.

R

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I get it, you'll not see beyond what you've been told.
BTW the words used with other words can create a new/different meaning.

Dick had a different meaning, as common use in the 50s.
You should know why it has a different meaning in the 2020s/

Look up vaccine while you are at it.
See if you can see where it may have been adjusted for use.

R

Who is supposed to regulate the militia?

Keep it in “ working order” to use your definition.

Like a pressure regulator on an air line keeps the line from exploding, or your tool from over reving.

Regulate is like a governor on an engine to keep it from over reving.

You keep trying to talk about other things that have nothing to do with the definition of the word regulate. Which you failed to properly define or understand.

Any thing you can say to avoid the fact that as written the A2 is actually giving the government the authority to control the militia… or regulate it. Its okay, I don’t expect you grasp this.

 

[Rthur]

Who is supposed to regulate the militia?

Keep it in “ working order” to use your definition.

Like a pressure regulator on an air line keeps the line from exploding, or your tool from over reving.

Regulate is like a governor on an engine to keep it from over reving.

You keep trying to talk about other things that have nothing to do with the definition of the word regulate. Which you failed to properly define or understand.

Any thing you can say to avoid the fact that as written the A2 is actually giving the government the authority to control the militia… or regulate it. Its okay, I don’t expect you grasp this.

I can see that I am trying to nail jello to a tree, good luck.

R

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I can see that I am trying to nail jello to a tree, good luck.

R

Freeze it first, with a hole for the nail. Easy peezy

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Regulated…

Federal judge strikes down Minnesota law banning 18-20-year-olds from obtaining gun permits

A federal judge in Minnesota has struck down a state law that prohibited adults under 21 from obtaining a license to carry handguns in public, ruling that the law violated the Second Amendment.

www.foxnews.com

 

[MK20]

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So now you’re making up definitions to suit your narrative. I’d say that’s a false statement do you want to keep going?

You are indeed showing your ignorance by trying to refute 1700's usage of words with modern dictionaries' definitions.

You are wrong here. Read the book, "That Every Man Be Armed" and get back to me.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

You are indeed showing your ignorance by trying to refute 1700's usage of words with modern dictionaries' definitions.

You are wrong here. Read the book, "That Every Man Be Armed" and get back to me.

Explain to me, then why blacks weren’t allowed to own firearms or join militias?

Fact is they (the government) gave them selves the ability to regulate the militia, that is what the 2A is.

No matter how many times you try to twist the meaning of the words. I believe many here fully misunderstand the meaning of what the 2nd amendment actually was. It was not granting you the right to guns. It was the government granting its self the right to regulate a militia and arms. One of those early forms of regulation was not allowing Blacks to own guns, or serve in the militia.

Stop telling me I don’t understand the meaning of the word regulate. I understand words throughout times can change meanings but that doesn’t mean that happened in this case, actually showed examples of the etymology of the word and its origins from Latin.

I believe you guys are 100% wrong in your diluted thinking to serve your agenda.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Listen to this, multiple times absorb it. It will tell you all about your precious rights.

 

[EddieNFL]

The permit-less carry bill has passed both houses and is now on its way to Gov. DeSantis' desk. We are told he will sign it. We'll see.

Next on the list, "Eliminate and repeal" Red flag laws. I've heard him state that he would have vetoed them if he were in office at the time. He was not. It was Gov. Rick Scott that signed them into law. We just have to get the legislature to bring it to him. Not sure they will, but.. The "revenue incentives" as well as the "get guns off the streets" mantra for LE is too great. They are currently unconstitutional (violating 2nd, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments).

Next after that, make "Civil Asset Forfeiture" illegal. Same problems in re: "revenue incentives" for LE. Only a court of law can deprive someone of property after a proper judiciary procedure and adjudication.

Think I saw a piece that he said he wanted to discuss open carry. I'm not a fan, but believe it should be (is) lawful.

 

[n2ishun]

Seriously, george carlin ?
He was the most extreme left wing democrapper extant.
I gladly admit he was very intelligent and had a unique outlook on things, but to bring his gun hatin' ass up in a gun wielding thread on a gun forum ?
Sheer idiocy.

 

[Fx51LP308]

Think I saw a piece that he said he wanted to discuss open carry. I'm not a fan, but believe it should be (is) lawful.

I saw that as well. Open Carry in FL will be a much more Herculean effort for anyone, let alone DeSantis. There's so much opposition to it... not only from the FL Sheriff's association, and the FL Legislature, but also from the retail, hospitality and other commerce sectors. The most vocal of those sectors are "The Rodent," and the "FRF" And they have the $$$ to buy most of the FL Legislature, which they have done.

OC in FL will require a "cultural evolution" of sorts. And it just ain't there, right now. I think it works in other places because "the public" is used to it, there. Not in FL in today's time. There would be too many uptight woke people SWATing each other. Historically, OC had been FL friendly, but then came Janet Reno and she killed it.

That said, TBH, even if God waived his magic wand and declared OC the law of the land, here, it wouldn't be all that helpful to me, day to day. I would still carry concealed. I'd much prefer that "surprise advantage" over any potential BG. Where OC might be helpful to me is in nullifying any discretion LE might have (or create for themselves) in re: "Brandishing" laws. Some LEAs are quick to arrest/harass anyone for the slightest little open exposure. Having OC would quash that. Likewise, in re "Permitless Carry," I would still maintain my FL CWFL. Not only for "reciprocity" reasons but also for "immediate FFL delivery" as opposed to a 3 day wait period.

As I've stated many times, Gov. DeSantis' next area of focus should be (in order of importance):

1) Repeal/Eliminate "Red Flag" laws - Unconstitutional as currently written, and invites too much "incentive" for LE to do the seizures. And DeSantis has also mentioned this as well, saying he'd have vetoed the bill that Rick Scott signed.

2) Eliminate/Criminalize "Civil Asset Forfeiture." Same reasons as Red Flag laws. Only a court of law can deprive a citizen of property after a proper legal process and adjudication.

3) If not "OC," then clarify those "Brandishing laws" to nullify and eliminate any "discretion" they might give LE at present. There should only be very specific, detailed and enumerated actions that constitute brandishing or "Improper display." Pretty much, as long as the weapon remains "holstered," it shouldn't be brandishing. Only if a shooter deliberately alters his clothing and shows the holstered weapon (i.e. "Watchit suckkah, look what I got.").

4) Work with other like minded states to form a SAPA compact to combat the Anti-2a actions of the Feds.