I took a FN PBR .308 in on trade and im looking to start building off of it but the bolt has pitting on bolt and i was wanting to know if this could be fixed relatively easily. Also i have never done any but buy factory guns never dealt with custom or semi custom rifles. Would this be a decent gun to start building off of? Im not going for anything over the top and would like to build a decent shooter with a budget of like 1000 to 1,500 on the gun not including glass. So my main question was is the m70 action decent to build off of for that type of budget and can pitting be fixed on a bolt. I can get pictures of the pitting if that will help.
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Re: FN PBR
Could just get the bolt polished. Depending on how bad the pitting was I'd probably just go to it with some steel wool and WD-40.
I have one and I didn't need to do any building off of the original action/barrel. I added a McMillan A3 stock(pillar/glass bed), CDI bottom metal w/AI mags, badger knob, and threaded for suppressor/QD mount. I've adjusted the stock trigger down a bit and am very pleased with it.
It shoots 1/2 MOA with both 178gr Amax(44.5grs varget@2600fps) and 110gr Vmax(49.2grs Benchmark@3200fps). The zero at 100yds is only off two minutes. That 110gr vmax will blow up coyotes like prairie dogs if you hit them in the gut.
Very solid platform(my favorite bolt rifle). The big claw extractor throws brass out great. I have run the gun really hard and it has functioned flawlessly.
Only pic of the rile I have.
Could just get the bolt polished. Depending on how bad the pitting was I'd probably just go to it with some steel wool and WD-40.
I have one and I didn't need to do any building off of the original action/barrel. I added a McMillan A3 stock(pillar/glass bed), CDI bottom metal w/AI mags, badger knob, and threaded for suppressor/QD mount. I've adjusted the stock trigger down a bit and am very pleased with it.
It shoots 1/2 MOA with both 178gr Amax(44.5grs varget@2600fps) and 110gr Vmax(49.2grs Benchmark@3200fps). The zero at 100yds is only off two minutes. That 110gr vmax will blow up coyotes like prairie dogs if you hit them in the gut.
Very solid platform(my favorite bolt rifle). The big claw extractor throws brass out great. I have run the gun really hard and it has functioned flawlessly.
Only pic of the rile I have.
Re: FN PBR
another thing that I just remembered about my PBR is that sometimes it will not eject the spent shell. It isnt a big deal to as the gun still goes bang everytime it just gets a little annoying sometimes. Anyone know what is causing this? Sometimes it will launch the brass out other times it will not eject it. it has never left it in the chamber though.
another thing that I just remembered about my PBR is that sometimes it will not eject the spent shell. It isnt a big deal to as the gun still goes bang everytime it just gets a little annoying sometimes. Anyone know what is causing this? Sometimes it will launch the brass out other times it will not eject it. it has never left it in the chamber though.
Re: FN PBR
The Win/FN action is superior in every way to most any other action out there.
Ejection depends on how hard you pull the bolt back, pull back slow, case lays in action, pull back with some speed, case flies out.
Ask any of the smiths here and they will tell you is is a FINE aaction to build on.
BTW, there is a manners T5 in the FS section right now.
The Win/FN action is superior in every way to most any other action out there.
Ejection depends on how hard you pull the bolt back, pull back slow, case lays in action, pull back with some speed, case flies out.
Ask any of the smiths here and they will tell you is is a FINE aaction to build on.
BTW, there is a manners T5 in the FS section right now.
Re: FN PBR
is it crf or push feed? pbr or pbr xp? difference is pretty drastic one has classic pre 64 style extractor with control round feed and the other one is remmy syle.
The fn spr and pbr xp are the same action virtually and are fantastic actions to build on. The push feed model might as well be a remmy.
is it crf or push feed? pbr or pbr xp? difference is pretty drastic one has classic pre 64 style extractor with control round feed and the other one is remmy syle.
The fn spr and pbr xp are the same action virtually and are fantastic actions to build on. The push feed model might as well be a remmy.
Re: FN PBR
if it's not xp then it is push feed unless it came with the factory short barrel and muzzle brake.
if it's not xp then it is push feed unless it came with the factory short barrel and muzzle brake.
Re: FN PBR
If it's a control feed then the rim of the case will slide into a claw extractor(that is located along the length of the bolt and "claw" goes in front of bolt to engage case rim) when it is pushed from the magazine. It is "controlled" by this claw.
With a push feed the round is not controlled by any extractor when pushed from the magazine. It is not "controlled." the extractor doesn't engage the rim until chambered.
Some argue that push feed actions are more conducive to accuracy as it is less prone to putting adverse pressure on the base of the case. I don't buy it and I love the control feed design.
Also, the weakest links with this rifle are the stock and bottom metal/mag. I hate that rotary magazine. You'll wanna change that. Might as well just look for a stock inlleted for the bottom metal you plan to use.
If it's a control feed then the rim of the case will slide into a claw extractor(that is located along the length of the bolt and "claw" goes in front of bolt to engage case rim) when it is pushed from the magazine. It is "controlled" by this claw.
With a push feed the round is not controlled by any extractor when pushed from the magazine. It is not "controlled." the extractor doesn't engage the rim until chambered.
Some argue that push feed actions are more conducive to accuracy as it is less prone to putting adverse pressure on the base of the case. I don't buy it and I love the control feed design.
Also, the weakest links with this rifle are the stock and bottom metal/mag. I hate that rotary magazine. You'll wanna change that. Might as well just look for a stock inlleted for the bottom metal you plan to use.
Re: FN PBR
The CRF action has a spring loaded ejector that pivots down when the bolt goes by and pivots out into a slot on the side of the bolt on the ejection cycle and should hit the base of the case and eject it as easy or hard as the bolt is cycled. It could be that your ejector is binding and not pivoting consistently.
As for a gunsmith I'm sure you can find one on here but most avoid anything but a Remington based action.
The CRF action has a spring loaded ejector that pivots down when the bolt goes by and pivots out into a slot on the side of the bolt on the ejection cycle and should hit the base of the case and eject it as easy or hard as the bolt is cycled. It could be that your ejector is binding and not pivoting consistently.
As for a gunsmith I'm sure you can find one on here but most avoid anything but a Remington based action.
Re: FN PBR
Jered at APA,
Mark at SAC,
Gerald at Custom Blue,
Moon at Cresent Customs
This is the short list. They all work on FN bolt rifles and produce amazing results. Pick one and make the call. If you need their contact info, let me know or do a quick search.
However, any good Winchester M-70 gunsmith will know how to handle the PBR, PBR-XP and SPR. No mystery, really.
Your PBR is what is referred to as a "controlled round-push feed" (CRPF). It has a sliding plate extractor like the Winchester M-70 post-64 and Savage Model 10. The ejector is the same blade ejector of the pre-64 style M-70 and SPR. The PBR is a hybrid action that allows the cartridge head to slide up the face of the bolt and under the extractor as it is stripped from the magazine, so it is not a true push feed. It does not have the full external claw of the pre-64 and Classic M-70 or SPR, so it is not a full Controlled round feed, either. Ejection is the same, however. Trigger is the same as the SPR and M-70 two lever (pre-2008 and MOA trigger).
Hope this helps.
Jered at APA,
Mark at SAC,
Gerald at Custom Blue,
Moon at Cresent Customs
This is the short list. They all work on FN bolt rifles and produce amazing results. Pick one and make the call. If you need their contact info, let me know or do a quick search.
However, any good Winchester M-70 gunsmith will know how to handle the PBR, PBR-XP and SPR. No mystery, really.
Your PBR is what is referred to as a "controlled round-push feed" (CRPF). It has a sliding plate extractor like the Winchester M-70 post-64 and Savage Model 10. The ejector is the same blade ejector of the pre-64 style M-70 and SPR. The PBR is a hybrid action that allows the cartridge head to slide up the face of the bolt and under the extractor as it is stripped from the magazine, so it is not a true push feed. It does not have the full external claw of the pre-64 and Classic M-70 or SPR, so it is not a full Controlled round feed, either. Ejection is the same, however. Trigger is the same as the SPR and M-70 two lever (pre-2008 and MOA trigger).
Hope this helps.
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Re: FN PBR
I am not a gunsmith, but I believe the PBR rifles are actually what Winchester used to call the "controlled round push feed". It is similar, yet inferior to a Sako extracror on a push feed Model 70 Action. The SPR rifles made by FN are the ones with the CRF or pre '64 type extractor.
Edit:
I should have read through the thread, two posts above is a more informitive answer than mine.
Thanks,
Mike
I am not a gunsmith, but I believe the PBR rifles are actually what Winchester used to call the "controlled round push feed". It is similar, yet inferior to a Sako extracror on a push feed Model 70 Action. The SPR rifles made by FN are the ones with the CRF or pre '64 type extractor.
Edit:
I should have read through the thread, two posts above is a more informitive answer than mine.
Thanks,
Mike
Re: FN PBR
Pitting on the bolt body is no big deal, cosmetic only. Polish it off or try Naval Jelly.
If there is pitting on the Boltface, that is another matter. Truing the boltface should take care of the problem, but might require a barrel set-forward to retain same headspace. if you're going to rebarrel, no big deal..
Have you cleaned and inspected you firing pin assy? A pitted bolt-body exterior might also have rust inside the bolt-body. Looked at the trigger and magazine box & spring?
Pitting on the bolt body is no big deal, cosmetic only. Polish it off or try Naval Jelly.
If there is pitting on the Boltface, that is another matter. Truing the boltface should take care of the problem, but might require a barrel set-forward to retain same headspace. if you're going to rebarrel, no big deal..
Have you cleaned and inspected you firing pin assy? A pitted bolt-body exterior might also have rust inside the bolt-body. Looked at the trigger and magazine box & spring?
Re: FN PBR
So.....is the new TSR XP like the PBR or SPR?
Action-wise that is. I'm thinkin the TSR XP is same as the SPR
So.....is the new TSR XP like the PBR or SPR?
Action-wise that is. I'm thinkin the TSR XP is same as the SPR
Re: FN PBR
from what i remember there is no rust problems on the firing pin assembly. and there was no rust on the trigger but not sure about the magazine i never thought to look there. I cannot check on any current rust issues as i am currently stationed in germany and do not have access to my guns which is why i want to send it out to have work done on it.
from what i remember there is no rust problems on the firing pin assembly. and there was no rust on the trigger but not sure about the magazine i never thought to look there. I cannot check on any current rust issues as i am currently stationed in germany and do not have access to my guns which is why i want to send it out to have work done on it.
Re: FN PBR
TSR-XP is like the SPR in bolt and action: claw extractor, blade ejector, forged receiver, integral recoil lug and flat bottom.
The SPR it trued, the TSR-XP is not.
The SPR has the two-lever Winchester style trigger (pre-2008 Winchester), the TSR has the three lever trigger called the "Tactical Sport Trigger" (same as Winchester "MOA" trigger, post 2008). The two lever and three lever triggers are not interchangable: there is different hole spacing and the striker-to-sear engagement is different.
TSR-XP is like the SPR in bolt and action: claw extractor, blade ejector, forged receiver, integral recoil lug and flat bottom.
The SPR it trued, the TSR-XP is not.
The SPR has the two-lever Winchester style trigger (pre-2008 Winchester), the TSR has the three lever trigger called the "Tactical Sport Trigger" (same as Winchester "MOA" trigger, post 2008). The two lever and three lever triggers are not interchangable: there is different hole spacing and the striker-to-sear engagement is different.
Re: FN PBR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Action Guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jered at APA,
Mark at SAC,
Gerald at Custom Blue,
Moon at Cresent Customs
This is the short list. They all work on FN bolt rifles and produce amazing results. Pick one and make the call. If you need their contact info, let me know or do a quick search.
</div></div>
GA Precision built my FN SPR. I assume they'll work on PBR's as well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Action Guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jered at APA,
Mark at SAC,
Gerald at Custom Blue,
Moon at Cresent Customs
This is the short list. They all work on FN bolt rifles and produce amazing results. Pick one and make the call. If you need their contact info, let me know or do a quick search.
</div></div>
GA Precision built my FN SPR. I assume they'll work on PBR's as well.
Re: FN PBR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Action Guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TSR-XP is like the SPR in bolt and action: claw extractor, blade ejector, forged receiver, integral recoil lug and flat bottom.
The SPR it trued, the TSR-XP is not.
The SPR has the two-lever Winchester style trigger (pre-2008 Winchester), the TSR has the three lever trigger called the "Tactical Sport Trigger" (same as Winchester "MOA" trigger, post 2008). The two lever and three lever triggers are not interchangable: there is different hole spacing and the striker-to-sear engagement is different. </div></div>
FN has it goin on either way imo Ben. Best rifle Ive ever shot.
The 20" TSR I have is so much fun to shoot. The recoil on the TSR 300wsm
is like a stout 308. Just super factory rifles imo.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Action Guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TSR-XP is like the SPR in bolt and action: claw extractor, blade ejector, forged receiver, integral recoil lug and flat bottom.
The SPR it trued, the TSR-XP is not.
The SPR has the two-lever Winchester style trigger (pre-2008 Winchester), the TSR has the three lever trigger called the "Tactical Sport Trigger" (same as Winchester "MOA" trigger, post 2008). The two lever and three lever triggers are not interchangable: there is different hole spacing and the striker-to-sear engagement is different. </div></div>
FN has it goin on either way imo Ben. Best rifle Ive ever shot.
The 20" TSR I have is so much fun to shoot. The recoil on the TSR 300wsm
is like a stout 308. Just super factory rifles imo.
