I found a fn spr 20 "in barrel fluted for 1799 is this a good price and what do you guys think about it I'm a newbie but not to guns only long range shooting I'm a Leo and on the srt team and looking at stepping into role of sniper.If this is a bad choice please direct me to a good rifle for my role.
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Fn spr for Leo sniper if not what you suggest?
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If you are in an urban area, you would be hard pressed to find something better than a DTA Covert in 308! You pay for perfection though.
The fn is a nice rifle, but for less money, better aftermarket following, out of the box better trigger and in my never humble opinion better accuracy I'd go with the savage model 10 in an hs precision stock. If I'm not mistaken savage also makes concessions for LEOs.
I run one but primarily as my back up rifle. Great shooter and I have had no issues with accuracy or durability.
Sully
Sully
I have three of them, all great shooters but they have since been rebarreled and restocked but still great shooters.
Go for it.
Go for it.
This may be very good advice.
Here is a LEO rifle offered by Savage, and Bud's Gun Shop's current offering:
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Law Enforcement Series Model 10FCP-K – with AccuTrigger™, AccuStock™, and Detachable Box Magazine
•Action Short
•Caliber 308 Win
•Overall Length 46.5"
•Barrel Length 24"
•Weight 8.9 lbs
•Magazine Capacity 4 rounds
•Stock Black synthetic AccuStock ™ with aluminum spine and three-dimensional bedding cradle
•Sights Drilled and tapped for scope mounts
•Rifling Rate of Twist 308 Win (1 in 10")
•Features AccuTrigger™, AccuStock™, matte blued barrel action, Savage muzzle brake, fluted heavy free-floating button-rifled barrel, detachable box magazine swivel stud for bipod, oversized bolt handle with beavertail foreend
Summary
* UPC Code: 0011356186089
* Manufacturer: Savage
* Model: 10FCPK
* Action: Bolt
* Caliber: 308 Win
* Barrel Length: 24"
* Finish/Color: Blue
* Grips/Stock: AccuStock
* Hand: Right Hand
* Includes muzzle brake
* Type of Barrel: Heavy Barrel Fluted
* Capacity: 4Rd
* Includes Accutrigger, Detachable Box Magazine
* Manufacturer Part #: 18608
UPC Code: 011356186089
Check with Mike at AR15, M16, M4 Tactical Gear, Parts, Accessories, Optics, Sniper Rifles, Piston Systems, AR15 M4 Uppers & Lowers Lowest Prices Tactical Coordination for prices. The FN (M-70) action has an excellent extractor/ejection system and a superior 3-position safety. FN (M-70) trigger is a simple, extremely reliable, system that is easily adjusted. SPR actions are trued at the factory. The barrels are chrome lined and will reputedly maintain accuracy to over 10K rounds. Should you ever shoot the barrel out, it is covered under the warranty. The SPR A3G and the H&S Precision were chosen by the FBI for their HRT Teams. The basic difference in the A3G and other models is that they are/were bedded and are guaranteed to produce 1/2MOA.
SPR=Excellent Choice
SPR=Excellent Choice
+1 for the SPR! I have the A1 and I stay sub MOA out to 1K when I hold up my end of the bargain.
Back in May of 2010 at the ASC we were issued FN SPR A5 rifles with which to compete. I drew rifle number 14 and I was very pleased with it.
If I were to purchase a factory precision rifle FN would be my choice.
KM is far too modest: I shot beside him all weekend and he flat-out walked away with that match!
And the rifle I had hammered all weekend. I have bought two FNs since. Excellent rifle. Excellent value. I wouldn't hesitate using one for work.
Pawprin2 our SWAT team shoots to 300 twice monthly, 500 monthly and 1000 up to ten times per year. Our SOP has the sniper along with the Sniper Section leader, SWAT Commander and the responding agency Chief (we serve a 13 town county) determine if a sniper should attempt the life saving shot if it needs to be taken. I have been in positions where I have advised the commander that I do not have best option. In our team it is stressed that your no less of a shooter if your in a position and distance that is beyond your capabilities. I have been positioned from 380-12 yards on different calls. So the arbitrary 100 yard thing for most LEO SWAT/SRT teams is a myth and I just hope the "bad guys" think all LEO's have that limitation.
Sully
Sully
Wrong all the way around.
Savage is less money beacuse its a inferior rifle.
FN uses Pre-64 style Winchester action, one of the best on the market.
The trigger blows a shitty accytrigger out of the water
MY old A1 Would hold .60 with 168fggm and the chrome lined bore. Barrels are reported to last 10-15k BEFORE needing replacement. Copper fouling is easier to clean.
Mcmillian is a much better stock than the HS.
These rifles are on par with semi-customs and unless your talking about a surgeon or other custom action and barrel, you are going to have to look very hard to find better.
Savage is less money beacuse its a inferior rifle.
FN uses Pre-64 style Winchester action, one of the best on the market.
The trigger blows a shitty accytrigger out of the water
MY old A1 Would hold .60 with 168fggm and the chrome lined bore. Barrels are reported to last 10-15k BEFORE needing replacement. Copper fouling is easier to clean.
Mcmillian is a much better stock than the HS.
These rifles are on par with semi-customs and unless your talking about a surgeon or other custom action and barrel, you are going to have to look very hard to find better.
The model im looking at is the fn spr a1a Other than a bedded action and a cheek rise I don't see the extra 800 dollars for the spr a3g am I missing something ? If not im gonna get the fn spr a1a is it possible to add the cheek peice to the stock?
I don't have a lot to add because I have yet to have any first hand experience (ordered my A1 a few days ago from Tac Cord, been drooling over and saving for one for over a year now), but I can tell you a bit of what I know from the research I've done. The main difference is the cheekpiece and bedding as noted - they (the A3Gs) are guaranteed from the factory to be sub .5 MOA rifles out of the box.
The reasons I chose the A1 over the A3G and A5 are that most people report their A1s shoot .5 - .75 MOA or better which is good enough for me considering this is my first centerfire precision rifle, and from Tac Cord you get the bedding done anyway. Also, I'm not personally a fan of the type of cheekpieces used on those models. If I keep the McM stock, it'll eventually get sent to Stock Doc (member on this forum) to have a KMW loggerhead adjustable cheek riser installed. I picked the A1 over the A1a because it will be a range gun so the extra 4" of barrel brings no disadvantages with it, though if I were buying a work rifle like you are the A1a is what I would get. Sounds like the A1a should be perfect for you.
Let us know when you get it and post plenty of pics and a range report. Can't wait to get mine and get it out to the range.
The reasons I chose the A1 over the A3G and A5 are that most people report their A1s shoot .5 - .75 MOA or better which is good enough for me considering this is my first centerfire precision rifle, and from Tac Cord you get the bedding done anyway. Also, I'm not personally a fan of the type of cheekpieces used on those models. If I keep the McM stock, it'll eventually get sent to Stock Doc (member on this forum) to have a KMW loggerhead adjustable cheek riser installed. I picked the A1 over the A1a because it will be a range gun so the extra 4" of barrel brings no disadvantages with it, though if I were buying a work rifle like you are the A1a is what I would get. Sounds like the A1a should be perfect for you.
Let us know when you get it and post plenty of pics and a range report. Can't wait to get mine and get it out to the range.
If you like a push feed action, congrats to you, but it certainly doesn't make the action better than a savage. The trigger on the newer Winchester and fn rifles blows ,unless you know a smith, theyre too heavy and break sort of spongy. Not saying the accutrigger is the best factory trigger available but the match version is awful hard to best. The set trigger on Sakos would be about the only trigger in a factory rifle I'd put in front of it. As far as the barrel quality my rifle isn't chrome lined and with the right ammo will hold half moa all day, after 8k rounds I'll swap the barrel (in my garage, there's something you can't do with an fn) and still come in well under the price the FN cost. Oh and by the way the savage comes in a McMillan if you prefer it, personally I like the feel of the HS. Or you can order a barreled action and drop it into a Chassis and still come in below the price of the fn..... So semi custom rifle for less than the price of a middling factory and once again savage makes concessions for LEOs...
You may want to ask at your dealer but I think FN does a LEO discount as well. I know they do on some of their other weapons.
Surfr,
You may be confusing the SPR with current Win. sporting arms. The SPR is still listed with the Mod. 70 type two lever trigger. The two lever trigger is easily adjusted by a competent gunsmith as well as an owner with any level of skills. Correctly adjusted, the trigger is very reliable at any pull weight appropriate for a tactical rifle and breaks very cleanly.
As far as the action goes, my earlier post points up some of the benefits. There are more but the discussions of Mod. 70 compared to whatever have been beaten to death. There is a reason that custom 700 actions often have an improved extractor such as the AR or Sako. The SPR action is a CRF action not a push-feed. Many will point to the fact that the military uses a 700 action as the principal reason they are so popular for tactical rifles. As an explanation this has some merit but I believe the principal reason is that a beat to shit Pre-64, bought for a donor action, cost more than a new 700 ADL. I am aware that the new Savages are not your father's rifle. I haven't owned one but I have shot several and I agree that they are an excellent value. Bud's last price on a 10FCP HS was a little over $1K. If you add the price of a quality rail to the cost of a 10FCP HS the difference to an FN SPR A1 is less than $400.00.
You don't have to swap out an SPR barrel in your garage or anyplace else. If you actually shoot the barrel out, FN will replace the barrel under warranty.
You may be confusing the SPR with current Win. sporting arms. The SPR is still listed with the Mod. 70 type two lever trigger. The two lever trigger is easily adjusted by a competent gunsmith as well as an owner with any level of skills. Correctly adjusted, the trigger is very reliable at any pull weight appropriate for a tactical rifle and breaks very cleanly.
As far as the action goes, my earlier post points up some of the benefits. There are more but the discussions of Mod. 70 compared to whatever have been beaten to death. There is a reason that custom 700 actions often have an improved extractor such as the AR or Sako. The SPR action is a CRF action not a push-feed. Many will point to the fact that the military uses a 700 action as the principal reason they are so popular for tactical rifles. As an explanation this has some merit but I believe the principal reason is that a beat to shit Pre-64, bought for a donor action, cost more than a new 700 ADL. I am aware that the new Savages are not your father's rifle. I haven't owned one but I have shot several and I agree that they are an excellent value. Bud's last price on a 10FCP HS was a little over $1K. If you add the price of a quality rail to the cost of a 10FCP HS the difference to an FN SPR A1 is less than $400.00.
You don't have to swap out an SPR barrel in your garage or anyplace else. If you actually shoot the barrel out, FN will replace the barrel under warranty.
Owning both Savage and FN, I'll chime in and say I like Savage. I often recommend them to folks looking to get started shooting accurate rifles and develop their marksmanship.
That said, there is simply no comparing the quality and refinement of the FN to the Savage.
In fact, when you consider the FN only costs ~$400 more than the Savage comparably equipped, it makes the FN seem like the Hugh value option, and the Savage the overpriced one.
Again, I like Savage, and the almost always SHOOT. However, for life/death circumstances, I've seen and experienced FAR too many accutrigger lockups, fail to feeds, and fail to extracts from Savage rifles to recommend them. Can't say the same for FN.
lastly, please take this post with a grain of salt. I'm not LEO, I'm not a sniper; I'm certainly not a LEO sniper, so maybe my thoughts/conclusions aren't applicable.
That said, there is simply no comparing the quality and refinement of the FN to the Savage.
In fact, when you consider the FN only costs ~$400 more than the Savage comparably equipped, it makes the FN seem like the Hugh value option, and the Savage the overpriced one.
Again, I like Savage, and the almost always SHOOT. However, for life/death circumstances, I've seen and experienced FAR too many accutrigger lockups, fail to feeds, and fail to extracts from Savage rifles to recommend them. Can't say the same for FN.
lastly, please take this post with a grain of salt. I'm not LEO, I'm not a sniper; I'm certainly not a LEO sniper, so maybe my thoughts/conclusions aren't applicable.
great stock guns. I built my rifle off a FN patrol action. I shot the stock barrel on mine a few times before I took it off and it would hold sub-.25 moa with the 18" barrel.
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The FN-SPR does not need much added out of the box to run well. Personally I like the controlled round feeding, 3 position safety the action in general. I added the excellent CDI bottom metal and can use AI magazines. I am not sure if they still have an accuracy guarantee but with a chrome lined barrel it should hold what comes out of the box for a long time. Mine shoots 168's or 175's into nice ragged holes.
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Nothing really but I added the bottom metal that accepts the removable magazines (if you want a removable mag). FN offers something but I am not current if its good to go or not. My rifle was a factory DBM ( detachable box mag) but FN never really got their act together and mad mags available plus they were 4 shot mags with a funky follower (IMHO). AI mags are pretty well proven and CDI manufactures / machines the bottom metal to use the AI/ AICS mags. On the FN / Winchester rifles they need a clearance spot machined in the receiver , not hard and Jeff at CDI is the guy to follow up with questions.
Winchester Short Action / FN-SPR - CDiPrecision Gunworks
The bottom metal is essentially all that was done to my rifle. I was not completely satisfied with the factory bedding so I did re-bed the rifle and its a hammer.
What did you have to modify to get the CDI to work? I;m looking to get a PTG stealth when they get released.
A slight amount of metal from the mag box area. It to clear the AT magazine so its seats fully.
Now that FN has (finally) released the TBM bottom metal arrangement for the SPRs, there is no reason to buy a CDI or any other aftermarket DBM system - unless you have a big hankering for using AICS style magazines.
The TBM is excellent, magazines are readily available and are less expensive than AICS mags. Also, the TBM doesn't require re-inletting of the stock, and doesn't require machining of the action as the AICS magazine systems do.
The TBM is a no brainer.
The TBM is excellent, magazines are readily available and are less expensive than AICS mags. Also, the TBM doesn't require re-inletting of the stock, and doesn't require machining of the action as the AICS magazine systems do.
The TBM is a no brainer.
Available from Midway ( dealer priced) $399
FNH TBM Trigger Guard Detachable Box Mag FN SPR PBR TSR Winchester
CDI is $209 + a couple mags is $150 so that about $360 and you need to fit it to your rifle.
If you want the easy drop-in solution go with factory FN offering, if custom does not scare you there are other choices. Personally I do not trust FN for supplying magazines for anything they make. My FN-SPR / DBM I had a hell of a time to beg borrow or steal extra mags when i got the rifle ( and I was an FFL at the time). My FNP-45 tactical pistol FN played the no mags available game as well and its gone as a result. FN makes great rifles but their pistol designs and magazine availability sucks.
If the FN uses a proprietary mag grab them when you get your conversion.
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
A $200 CDI + $65 5rounder + $75 10rounder + $75 spare 10rounder + $65 inletting + $50+ shipping for inletting/machining + $?? voided warranty = $500 + whatever cost you want to associate with FN voiding your warranty, plus you get to ship your rifle around and wait.
The TBM is $400 + $55 spare 10rnd mag = $455, intact warranty, DIY install in minutes and no rifle shipping. Plus you save a $20 bill for every extra magazine you buy. Plus you don't have to drill/weld/paint each magazine to get 2.900"+ COAL capability.
As far as magazine availability: During the recent crunch, I've seen AICS magazines disappear (back in stock recently) and TBM mags available.
Agree you should buy all the mags you need when you make initial purchase - you never know.
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I'll go farther:
I have 2 CDI bottom metals, one on an FN and one on a Savage. They're fine. They work just fine and do what they need to do.
That said, they *sure as hell* ain't no Badger M5, Seekins, Surgeon or FN TBM - in terms of look and build quality. The edges aren't nicely radiused, the steel latch is simply painted, which chips and rusts, there is no bevel/radius to serve as a "lead-in" into the magwell.
They're very utilitarian.
As far as I'm concerned, CDI is a "this will provide your non-mainstream rifle a DBM" product.
And one more thing that may or may not apply:
We've been talking about the FN rifle in terms of being a LEO sniper rifle... In regard to liability and other lawyeresque legal mumbo jumbo horseshit, you think it would be better for the rifle to have an aftermarket DBM system or OEM? Serious question.
I have 2 CDI bottom metals, one on an FN and one on a Savage. They're fine. They work just fine and do what they need to do.
That said, they *sure as hell* ain't no Badger M5, Seekins, Surgeon or FN TBM - in terms of look and build quality. The edges aren't nicely radiused, the steel latch is simply painted, which chips and rusts, there is no bevel/radius to serve as a "lead-in" into the magwell.
They're very utilitarian.
As far as I'm concerned, CDI is a "this will provide your non-mainstream rifle a DBM" product.
And one more thing that may or may not apply:
We've been talking about the FN rifle in terms of being a LEO sniper rifle... In regard to liability and other lawyeresque legal mumbo jumbo horseshit, you think it would be better for the rifle to have an aftermarket DBM system or OEM? Serious question.
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It's you're rifle, do as you wish.
It's simply looking at the options if someone wants a detachable magazine rifle. As long as the conversion works and is reliable there is no "best" IMHO.
I am a toolmaker by trade so your math and cost assumptions are a little off in my case. Personally I prefer the proven AI magazines over "other" and that includes FN. My factory FN DBM mags were way less than desirable and FN frankly sucks producing pistol and rifle mags and this is long before the crunch.
As to voiding my warranty that may or may not be true, I have no heard of anyone that has been denied because of the added clearance.
FN likely would dislike the bolt knob that was added to my rifle after the photo.
Maybe the bolt knob and someone else's mag on their rifle would put them over the edge, lol.
It's simply looking at the options if someone wants a detachable magazine rifle. As long as the conversion works and is reliable there is no "best" IMHO.
I am a toolmaker by trade so your math and cost assumptions are a little off in my case. Personally I prefer the proven AI magazines over "other" and that includes FN. My factory FN DBM mags were way less than desirable and FN frankly sucks producing pistol and rifle mags and this is long before the crunch.
As to voiding my warranty that may or may not be true, I have no heard of anyone that has been denied because of the added clearance.
FN likely would dislike the bolt knob that was added to my rifle after the photo.
Maybe the bolt knob and someone else's mag on their rifle would put them over the edge, lol.
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Not an attorney so I have no idea but I would love to hear someone make the case, it would be highly entertaining.
To me it means jack shit.
I just modded four Remington shotgun barrels to 14" for a PD in Texas. If they use one in a shooting I doubt anyone cares how or who modded the barrels.
There is a sentencing enhancement for using NFA weapons in a crime. Not aware of it being used against someone with a legal weapon (as a general rule only police commit crimes with registered NFA weapons) but as I understand it there is no reason why it couldn't be.
One other thing to consider before swapping out the factory mag (be it floorplate, dbm of tbm) is whether or not the crf continues to operate as a true crf or becomes a push feed with a big extractor. If i am not mistaken, the cdi creates the latter. If the crf is important to you, may want check this out.
We get it, you bought a Savage and you like it. That doesn't make the Savage as good as an FN. The Savage might be as good as an FN FOR YOU, but comparing a Savage to an FN for a professional user is ludicrous.
FN warranty replaced the A3G I bought from turbo even after I had the CDI metal installed. Per Ben Voss, this installation does NOT void the warranty or accuracy guarantee, as long as CDI does it.
I own an FN PBR (now called the TSR) and have shot the SPR, either would work for you honestly. The SPR is marketed and probably better suited for the job role you are looking to fill. My biggest complaint about my PBR was the 4rd magazine, not reliability but capacity. CDI and FN have fixed that so its really a non issue. Just pick the bottom metal you think will work best for you, bed the rifle, and mount a quality optic that's really about all you need to do to it. I also own a 700P and like it as well but i would not pick one over the other as both are accurate and reliable. I will say the FN SPR requires less work to get it online out of the box.
You are mistaken / wrong.
If you look at the video link I posted under my rifle (with the CDI metal) you can clearly see the controlled round feed works exactly the same.
I chambered rounds and pulled back the bolt to elect and never locked the bolt handle which normally cams the extractor over the rim on NON CRF guns.
It works upside down also.
No shit. "If I am not mistaken" means you don't have any firsthand experience with it. Lot of guys talking out of their ass in this thread.
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