FNAR vs DPMS SASS

[Dantrom]

A guy I work with wants to get a semiauto .308 and asked if I could get some opinions on the two he's looking at. I have no experience with eigther and had nothing to offer. Maybe you guys could help?
Thanks
DAN

 

[Mumbles]

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I've got no experience with the FNAR, but if it's got any advantages over AR-type .308s I can't figure out what they are. It's less modular, less common, and appears to take proprietary mags.

 

[GGGN]

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would go with the DPMS more common. More parts found for it easy.

 

[ericf]

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I too am in the same situational dilemma.
DPMS is a very popular and good platform, Good accuracy.
FNAR appears to have a great following and great out-of-the-box accuracy. A little more traditional look.
Largest difference that slaps me hard is the weight differences.
FNAR light barrel +- 9 lbs.
DPMS Sass 18" barrel +- 13 Lbs.
Also, The FNAR and a mounted decent scope will just about equal the cost of the DPMS sass alone.
Just food for thought.

 

[1812]

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I love my FNAR. There's lots of good threads about them around here. I was looking at the AR style .308s but decided I wanted something different. Gas impingement is a pain in the ass for all sorts of reasons and pistons in ARs are not yet proven.

The accuracy of the FNAR is nothing short of amazing for a semi.

 

[Pat M]

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DPMS, easy swap uppers , barrels , cheaper mags , lots of after market do-dads

 

[Strangedays]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love my FNAR. There's lots of good threads about them around here. I was looking at the AR style .308s but decided I wanted something different. Gas impingement is a pain in the ass for all sorts of reasons and pistons in ARs are not yet proven.

The accuracy of the FNAR is nothing short of amazing for a semi. </div></div>
There is more wrong with your comment than right. 16 posts and counting, POF makes a proven AR piston rifle along with many others.

 

[Mr_Brass]

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I agree DPMS, yes it weights more and costs more but unless your going to only have 2 to 4 mags its not that beneficial. However if mags don't bother you I'd go with the FN. just my .02

Oh and C products is making 20 round 308 mags for around 15 bucks.

 

[1812]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is more wrong with your comment than right. 16 posts and counting, POF makes a proven AR piston rifle along with many others.</div></div>

Yeah, your internet dick is WAY bigger than mine. Thanks for measuring for us. Plenty of folks have had reliability issues with piston driven AR's including the POF. So what else is wrong with my comment? You must know just about everything, with that number of posts under your belt.

I don't want to see this thread derailed. Just posting my opinion. Piston AR's in .308 have not proven to be as reliable as their gas impingment counterparts as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Strangedays]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

There is more wrong with your comment than right. 16 posts and counting, POF makes a proven AR piston rifle along with many others.</div></div>

Yeah, your internet dick is WAY bigger than mine. Thanks for measuring for us. Plenty of folks have had reliability issues with piston driven AR's including the POF. So what else is wrong with my comment? You must know just about everything, with that number of posts under your belt.

I don't want to see this thread derailed. Just posting my opinion. Piston AR's in .308 have not proven to be as reliable as their gas impingment counterparts as far as I'm concerned.

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What kind of groups do you get with your FN? I like the fact that dpms is a 1-10 twist and not the 1-12 like the FN.

 

[1812]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
What kind of groups do you get with your FN? I like the fact that dpms is a 1-10 twist and not the 1-12 like the FN. </div></div>

I have consistently seen .4-.5 MOA with the Federal 168 SMK @ 100. FN claims that this is the ammo the rifle was designed around. I can't say I disagree about the 1 in 10 thing. It'd be preferred, but I suspect FN had their reasons. The 175 SMK has grouped close to the 168's, but not quite as tight for me.

It really all comes down to personal preference. You can't really go wrong so long as you're getting what you want. I want it all, so I keep buying different weapons.

 

[Strangedays]

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Bottom line is the FN will work great and so will the DPMS it really just is up to what he wants to do with the rifle. If he wants a .308 battle rifle for CQ or something for distance? If he wants something for plinking and a go to gun a FAL would be my first choice in a piston rifle second choice would be the DPMS due to being able to custom fit the gun to the shooter. If weight is a big issue look at the FNs. JMHO
http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-PARATactical-Carbine-308-Cal----SA58TACP/productinfo/SA58TACP/
http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=1999&cat=1940

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

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+ 100000000 for the FNAR their gas system was used in battle rifles WAAAAAY before the ar10/m16 system . CAN YOU SAY BAR boys and girls. And the problem with piston ar 10 's is EVERYBODY does it different. It may be that the FNAR is not tacticool enough for some guys BUT ugly works . Sub M.O.A and the 1/12 shoots 175 SMK great .In fact its the bullet that most testing is done with.I like the DPMS just fine but FNH builds a higher grade of Battle weapon and has for years in fact the supply more than 70 percent of all the weapons our troops use.On a side note the mags not hard to find and are some of the finest I have ever seen.
Scot

 

[BCP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+ 100000000 for the FNAR their gas system was used in battle rifles WAAAAAY before the ar10/m16 system .</div></div>

What battle rifles was it used in? Most reviews I read said that it was a tactical version of the browning BAR hunting rifles.

"The FNAR rifle is based on the proven and quite popular FN / Browning BAR hunting rifle (which, in fact, has no relations to the original Browning BAR M1918 rifle of World War II fame).[1]"

They are both good, accurate rifles. I would go AR simply because it is modular.

 

[1812]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What battle rifles was it used in? Most reviews I read said that it was a tactical version of the browning BAR hunting rifles.</div></div>

That's a true statement. The FNAR shares nothing with the M1918 BAR. Certainly not the piston design.

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/M1918A2_1.gif

Thats a long stroke piston rod while the FNAR uses a short piston and an inertia block essentially the same as the BAR sporting rifle.

I think the FNAR was designed more as a precision rifle for police departments than a battle rifle. I sure as hell wouldn't want to try to tear that thing apart and clean it in the field. So there's an advantage the AR designs have got...

For me it came down to the price per MOA. I don't think you'll find another .308 semi that'll shoot this accurately for the price.

 

[BCP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What battle rifles was it used in? Most reviews I read said that it was a tactical version of the browning BAR hunting rifles.</div></div>

That's a true statement.</div></div>

I know it is, just giving the Scot guy a chance to correct himself before he gets made fun of like he did in the super sniper thread.

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

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The short strok system used on the FNAR is infact a version of the long stroke used on the BAR. Not exact but in my mind improved. The Fnar is infact no harder to work on than the SAW or the SCAR both "BATTLE WEAPONS".I have had hands on with all weapons in this topic. Have you?This is just my opinion.We can split hairs all day .The AR10 Piston weapons are fine .I like the FNH systems better.And as far as making fun of others posts keep that B.S. in the locker room. I will debate any subject I feel I can add to and will stand corrected with facts.If you don't agree it don't make me wrong.
Scot

 

[Strangedays]

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I would have to say scot there are some obvious reasons the SCAR and SAW both have some easier take down and cleaning methods than the FNAR. Barrel changes for one is much better on the SCAR AND SAW. The M249 breaks down easy if you ask me and the SCAR is not to bad also. I have worked with all three also and would never claim the FNAR as being equal to the SCAR and M249 for any of the claimes you have made. It makes we wonder if you had your hands on experiance at the local gun show? I have nothing against the FNAR it all just depends on what the use is going to be but to call it a proven battle rifle is just silly.

 

[alpha6164]

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The FNAR is a hidden gem i my opinion in the 308 department. What piston driven semi 308 that comes with a hammer forged chrome lined match grade barrel, out of the box 1/2MOA accuracy can you find for $1300 that also weights 9lbs? FN doesnt mess around. It also has an adjustable gas bleed screw to further dial in your rifle for different loads or suppressor setup. They have done a 10,000 round torture tests on the FNAR barrel to make sure all internal parts and barrel continue to keep the accuracy to 1MOA. That is pretty damn good.

I have a NF 2.5-10x32 on mine and a few weeks ago was shooting 3-4" groups at 600yardw with 5-7mph cross winds. The platform is different than AR type rifles, but reliability is bar none phenomenon. The piston and gas block are right under the forearm. Just take the forearm off and your short piston is right there. that is the only thing that needs some cleaning if it ever gets really gummed up.

My best friend and i have both have one and we have yet to clean ours. Since it is not a duty weapon i just want to see how many rounds i can put through without a jam/short stroke.

 

[BCP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have had hands on with all weapons in this topic. Have you?</div></div>

Yes, I have, that's why I thought your post was funny.

BAR hunting rifle is not a battle rifle just because it says "FN" on the side. I know, I own one. I've also played around with a 1918 BAR and it is a totally different rifle.

As far as gas system goes, the AR DI system has been in production longer than the BAR hunting system, so there

 

[BCP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My best friend and i have both have one and we have yet to clean ours. Since it is not a duty weapon i just want to see how many rounds i can put through without a jam/short stroke. </div></div>

I can't remember the last time I did anything other than run a patch through my BAR and it still shoots just fine. They are good rifles.

 

[alpha6164]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

As far as gas system goes, the AR DI system has been in production longer than the BAR hunting system, so there

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I am just messing with you to make a point, but a horse and buggy have been around much longer than current modes of transportation but that doesn't make them better than what we have today

 

[BCP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am just messing with you to make a point, but a horse and buggy have been around much longer than current modes of transportation but that doesn't make them better than what we have today

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Touche.

 

[FNARSHOOTER]

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No my hands on has not been at gun shows. Gun shows around here are for the rubes that buy everybodys culls a for way to much.I work part time for a friend and spend hours of R&R on a bunch of range guns from handguns up to class 3 stuff.I guess if you take this stuff apart enough for cleaning and have to keep weapons with 10,000 running for a bunch of weekend wahoos it all becomes easy.I never said the FNAR was battle proven I said it was Battle worthy I.M.O.If you want to split hairs so be it . Go mud check somebody else. I'm tired of this dick slapping teen age crap.
Scot