Suppressors FNG when it comes to suppressors, some advice would be appriciated

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I am not new to the shooting game, or long range... but suppressors are brand new to me (sorry im from NY and im pretty sure thinking of suppressors there is illegal) now im stationed on Fort Hood..

So my budget for a suppressor is 1k (ish). Im looking at the OSS Helix and im loving the engineering that went into it... watched a lot of youtube videos, and poking around forums (yes I searched the hide for OSS with very little return. The only thread I found was from 2013 ish.)

Im looking at ordering one through their PASS program. But before I shell out the money (and yes I already have my trust), I Would love some input on the OSS helix in 7.62. It will be used primarily for hog/ deer hunting and some plinking..

It will be on my 300 blackout that wills soon have a 9.5 inch barrel and run subs only through it, my GAP 10 G2 in 308 or my rem 700 in 308...

The other "traditional" suppressor im looking at is the dead air sandman L...

And advice would be very much appreciated...
 
#2
Skip it. You want to know why theres no back pressure? Because it doesnt silence well. Everything youve seen touting its greatness it is marketing BS. Go with the dead air, you wont regret it.

Its a little bit of a drive still, hour or something. but check out http://www.capitolarmory.com/ even if you cant make the drive down before buying. They will fingerprint and everything in house for you though so its really can be a one stop shop until you go back to pick it up.
 
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I have only slight knowledge of the Helix, but last I knew they were expensive and the cost did not get you much over a traditional design. Others may chime in and say I am wrong, I would differ to them. As their knowledge base maybe greater with the Helix.
I am not a FNG to suppressors but I haven't looked into OSS for a couple years.
 
#5
Welcome to Bell County, Texas sir, do yourself a favor and drive east, I promise it's a nice place, just not Killeen/Hood. I've got a couple of cans you are welcome to come check out and fire. I km about 30 minutes NE of Hood just off I-35.

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#13
Skip the OSS, and don't look back. MAC also tested the 2nd gen OSS, neat but not for me.

As far as 300 BO is concerned, a SiCo Omega is a good one, just about 120db with subs, and with direct thread, very lightweight (about 14oz). When you mention bolt guns, the Omega will work well up to 300WM 16" barrel, but I don't have experience shooting the Omega out at a distance, so I can't speak to how well it would perform on a precision rig. SureFire 300SPS would be great as well. I haven't used thunder beast, but they look awesome. I have a couple Griffin Armament Recce 7's that I really like too.

If your primary use is lighting off a bunch of 300BO subs, I'd give the SiCo Omega a good look.
Also, If there is a can that is just out of price range, and you really want that one, I'd suggest saving up for it, or save up for a couple, as the process is a PITA, and after your first, you will want more lol.

Scott
 
#14
Thunderbeast is the best you can get. I run an ultra 7 on my 10" 300 BO sounds terrific. It sounds even better on my 24" 6.5 creedmoor. They may be a little pricier but the customer support and all around knowledge from the company is second to none and we'll worth the extra.
 
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I got a bunch, depends on what you want. I think the best all around centerfire cans are probably the TBAC Ultras, probably the Saker, maybe the KAC or Surefire for military use (ie, abuse). The 7" Ultra is good all around, but I like using the 5" and 9" models; 5" on a PDW and 9" on 20" rifle. The 5" isn't too bad for a .300 sub actually. The Mystic X is something I only use on a pistol. I guess they can rate it for whatever, but I kinda doubt it'll hold up to very much of that kind of abuse. I like the Omega 9k for pistols anyway (which looks like it would be a great .300BLK can). The Saker is a nice one too, more military in build and uses a true QD mount, but one that does NOT move. They also have adapters for other mounts and different end caps. They say the 7.62 Saker with 5.56 endcap is quieter than the 5.56 Saker (which makes sense, it's bigger). I have a KAC can, but don't actually "have" it yet so I can't speak for it. I use Elite Iron for big cans, never used their smaller ones but only heard good about them too. The owner Dale is a great guy also. SiCo also makes great stuff, they're about as cutting edge as they come without gimmicks.

The absolute best you can get ,IMO/E, is a .22 can to start with, trust me, it gets used the most and the Liberty Regulator is extremely hard to beat. I love the Essence but the Regulator is even better. Almost zero FRP; with 1ml water you only hear the action and a weak puff. Not a big fan of Liberty's other cans, but they rule when it comes to .22 cans.

Never used any of the gimmicky cans. Don't care much for "modular" cans either. I started out with an SDN6; got two of 'em and two 5.56SD's. NOT a fan of the mount at all, but the cans aren't too bad and I got 'em cheap. Unless you are gonna be like me and get a can for each rifle, you'd be well to listen to these guys and if you go with the Ultra, you have the advantage of having the actual owner of the company on here to talk to. He won't blow smoke up your ass, he'll tell you honestly what they can and should be used for, and what the optimum limits are and how they came up with 'em. His CS and knowledge are bar none.

IME, it's not the fancy, gimmicky state of the art shit that works best. It's attention to detail and some basic principles of physics. Because until someone comes up with total broadband noise filtration, they'll all be a tube of some sorts with guts to create turbulence of some sorts to allow gas to slow and cool --it's the violent impact of that with the atmosphere that makes the noise. FWIW, the quietest suppressed weapon built was made over 70 years ago, the Welrod pistol, and it was a POS mass produced single shot 9mm pistol. But it was only 65dB too!

If you look at the 1965 (?) military manual on suppression evaluations and even the old Maxim patent from over 100 years ago and compare that with modern cans that have been cut apart and it's obvious not much has changed except a marked increase in quality and tweaking of a basic design, a tube with baffles.
 
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Strykervet said:
I FWIW, the quietest suppressed weapon built was made over 70 years ago, the Welrod pistol, and it was a POS mass produced single shot 9mm pistol. But it was only 65dB too!
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They weren't mass produced, with only ~2,800 total made, but multiple countries. Being clandestine in nature, exact numbers don't exist. I'm not sure it was a POS, but I am sure it was a repeater, not single shot.

 
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