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I totally rock at the quickscope thing.
Sometime June FNH reps told me they're looking forward to start deliver Ballista at the end of September. That's quite a long September isn't it?
Wait.....Did Tactical Shirt Rep say a couple grand per barrel???????
yeah I believe you get a PSR barrel and a bolt for that price vs just a ballista barrel.Ya but for just a barrel....thats crazy. People bag on the cost of the AI PSR....but its barrels are normal priced....
yeah I believe you get a PSR barrel and a bolt for that price vs just a ballista barrel.
Doibt you'll see many of these rifles any time soon.
I know David Voss from FNH is a member here. Maybe he will chime in. Action Guy or something close is his handle.
TTR
LOL - it's actually Benjamin Voss...
The rifles are around $6000 or so, and barrel conversions to be around $2000 per caliber (so around $10000 with full 308, 300 Win and 338 barrel set) - making it a lot cheaper than the AI PSR kit at $17200 - although the AI version has a nice fitted case, drag bag and a bunch of spare mags included.
German export paperwork was apparently the hold-up. Hopefully they get that sorted out sooner rather than later.
Will see what SHOT holds - supposed to be a new AI psr-type rifle announced.
Ballista has been repeatedly delayed recently for a number of reasons. Most of those center around getting the rifle from Germany into the US. That's as specific as I will get on this topic.
The rifle is coming. Because every anticipated time line has been missed, I will no longer publically speculate as to when. All I can say is that it is still coming.
The rifle will ship with two magazines, one high cap, one low cap, 20 MOA rails across the receiver and the top of the chassis, one 4" rail in the 6 o'clock position, and in a case with molded insert.
When it is released, all three calibers will be available. The base rifle will only be available as a .338 Lapau. The other calibers are only available as caliber kits. This may change in the future as market demand and interest in base rifles in other than .338 is confirmed. Caliber kits will include one barrel, one bolt head for that caliber and one magazine. The bolt head is all that is required to accomplish the caliber change on the bolt. The bolt body and firing pin assembly are universal across calibers.
The rifle will deliver in a Storm/Pelican case with a molded insert that holds the rifle with pockets for the other caliber kits, suppressor, bipod (attached) and optic (attached) and numerous magazines. Yes, magazines will be available in all three calibers, and yes, they are proprietary. The magazine well is also universal to all three magazine types.
Other calibers may become available as the system gets into the market. These other calibers may or may not sell as kits, based on the bolt head that is required for it. For now, we have to get the base rifle into the market.
Speculated costs posted here by others are not far off. Rifle around $6k-$7k, caliber kits around $1,800. I don't work in sales and the final price is set by the dealer, so I cannot add more specifics. The idea is that a Ballista customer can buy the system "a la cart". You don't have to buy "all in" if you do not want to or cannot afford to do so right now. However, everything in the system would be available if you wanted it all at once.
I am as frustrated as anyone with the delays in the Ballista to the commercial market. It's a free market and people can choose someone else's rifle. FNH understands this and is doing everything it can to launch the rifle.
If/when there is more news to report on a SOLID date, like "it is shipping now", I will post.
FNH USA has no control over what happens in Canada, or any other country for that matter. Unique Alpine handles all the other countries and those rifles will be the Unique Alpine TPG-3. They are essentially the same rifle, but UA will handle all the pricing, distribution, support, etc.
Accuracy out of the box will be guaranteed at 1 MOA. Does not sound like much, I know. First, this is what the SOCOM PSR contract called for (at 1000 yards). Second, once the barrel gets seasoned after about 120 rounds, the accuracy improves dramatically. It does take the seasoning to accomplish this, so the accuracy guarantee is kept at 1 MOA out of the box.
By the way, the commercial Ballista barrels are made in-house by Unique Alpine and are hammer-forged, non-chrome lined with a polygonal rifling. In the .338 the twist rate is 1:9", in .300 WM it is 1:10", and in .308 Win it is 1:11". Accuracy is tested using match grade loads, typically with the Sierra MatchKing. .338 LM : 300gr SMK, .300 WM : 190gr or 220gr SMK, .308 Win : 168gr or 175gr SMK.
Neither FNH nor Unique Alpine will sell just the barrel extensions.
To me thats a deal killer. So to basically get extra barrel extensions you have to buy the 1800 dollar kits. Makes no damn sense to me.
Well, think about it this way - at around $6000 for the 338 Lapua, and $3600 for the extra 2 barrel kits, you have a Ballista in 308 Win, 300 Win and 338 Lapua with fitted Pelican case, extra mags etc all for under $10000. Buy the same thing in Accuracy Intl and you fork out $17000.
I think under $10000 for everything you get is a solidly good price. And now you need only 1 good scope for essentially 3 rifles. I cannot wait to get one ordered. Been waiting over 2 years to buy one now - saw it at SHOT 2 years ago and wanted one the first time I looked at it. Pity it's been such an incredibly LONG wait.
Well, think about it this way - at around $6000 for the 338 Lapua, and $3600 for the extra 2 barrel kits, you have a Ballista in 308 Win, 300 Win and 338 Lapua with fitted Pelican case, extra mags etc all for under $10000. Buy the same thing in Accuracy Intl and you fork out $17000.
I think under $10000 for everything you get is a solidly good price. And now you need only 1 good scope for essentially 3 rifles. I cannot wait to get one ordered. Been waiting over 2 years to buy one now - saw it at SHOT 2 years ago and wanted one the first time I looked at it. Pity it's been such an incredibly LONG wait.
We are all entitled to our own opinions.I like the Ballista, and a friend has had The UA version for over a year and it shoots the lights out.
Flawed logic.
Since you used the AI as a comparative.
1.) Yes the PSR is expensive. But I also don't need bullshit barrel extensions that they won't sell separate.
2.) I've got no idea how this rifle's toughness stacks up to a AI....but AI is well known for the abuse it'll take.
3.) The PSR comes with ALOT of shit. Whether you want it or not...price it all out and it adds up to the value most of us pay. If you think someone actually pays 17k for it.....I got a bridge for ya to buy.
I could care less about the price between the two. The fact they won't sell barrel extensions is bullshit. What if I want a .308 barrel and a .260(or what the fuck ever) while keeping the 300wm and 338 complete. I've now got to buy a barrel(or set) just to pull it apart for the extension. Where the fuck is the logic in that.