Re: Focal Planes: is the FFP worth it for mil dot?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: recondo84</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not a sniper, and I don't know much about scopes. But I understand what one of the posters above meant by saying FFP's will get our snipers killed. And I really can't believe that all these "snipers" here could not disern what he was saying.
What he was saying is this. FFP is a tactical scope. Like most everyone here that has one has said "when ranging multiple targets at multiple distances FFps rule the roost". This is absolutly true. But shooting multiple targets at multiple distances sounds like a fire fight. Fire fights is the infantrys job.
I'm sure we have all seen the sniper school shows on the military channel where we watch our soldiers trying to make it through sniper school. I think the last exercise they go through is the stalk. Where they get as close to the cadre as possable take a shoot and still remain unseen or hidden.
Snipers have traditionally used SFP scopes because like one of the first guys said "you can make more precise shoots with a SFP scope". And after the shot hopefully they remain unseen.
If the USA starts giving our snipers FFPs and gettting them in fire fights then the snipers are no more than a 11B. Just part of a infantry fire team. I really think thats what the guy was trying to say.
I read "Marine Sniper". Carlos made his shots and moved on, unseen. Then I read "American Sniper" this guy was running with a marine unit kicking down doors.......pretty easy getting kills shooting across the room.
Anyway, all the guy was saying was if a sniper has to empty his magizine his chances of surviving are not
as good as the sniper that makes one shot.
Many people here have stated SFP scopes are used when accuracy counts, when you are cutting X's the line will be 99% SFP. In tactical matches when a hit is a hit, you're under stress and firing in a hurry 99% will be FFP. They both have there place. No one (at least me) argues that. But sniper scopes and tactical scopes are two different scopes.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say when Carlos (the last guy he killed in the book) crawled through the jungle and then through the field to shoot that guy that showed up at that house, he wasn't looking for a hit. He wasn't saying to himself "A hit is a hit, as long as I hit him somewhere I'm good". I think he was more than likely saying "I've got one shot to kill this bastard, if I miss, I'm a dead man".
Regaurdless if he could have or would have made the same shot with a FFP is not the point. The point is he had one shot. If theres multiple targets at multiple ranges then I think a fire team would be what is needed. Not a sniper with a FFP. I think this is what the guy was trying to say. </div></div>
This is ridiculously contrived. The FFP reticle isn't putting our snipers into these dangerous situations, the decision makers are. That's going to happen as needed, regardless of what kind of reticles are assigned to our men. If indeed that is the alleged reason why the poster thinks that FFP scopes will get our snipers killed, it's a poorly thought out conclusion and I call bullshit. Not having FFP will get them killed is more likely in these instances.
As to the idea that a SFP reticle will allow for a more precise point of aim, that's another silly assumption. Even a sniper looking to make a first round kill isn't aiming at a button on the targets shirt at 800 yards. He's going to center that shot on the target and still make the kill. A FFP equipped scope is more than adequate for the task at hand.
I still haven't heard a single valid explanation as to how the use of FFP reticles will get our snipers killed.
