For the Good of the Country.....

[pmclaine]

Not that he ever cared for the Good of the Country, actually his goal has been exactly the opposite.

So for the good of your own worthless skin......get in the private jet and just get your ass to Cuba.

Obama says the 'rule of law is at risk' in the Mike Flynn DOJ case

Former President Barack Obama (seen left with then-President-elect Donald Trump at the White House in 2017) on Friday blasted the decision to drop the case against ex-NSA Michael Flynn (right).

www.dailymail.co.uk

Trump better close this noose.

They wont hesitate to do it to him.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Rule of law? That’s rich.

I think what he means that the special rules for the elite democrats are at risk. And without those special rules they might have to obey the Constitution like us little people -er- Americans.

Also sure sounds like he is telling his Antifa Brownshirts that they should stand in the door... because the green light is about to come on.

Maybe I’m reading too much into his rare public statement...

Sirhr

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Obama, Biden Oval Office Meeting On January 5 Was Key To Entire Anti-Trump Operation

In light of the newly declassified documents, it is clear that understanding what happened in that January 5 Oval Office meeting is essential to understanding the corrupt operation against the Trump administration.

thefederalist.com

An utterly worthy read by Mollie Hemingway, who is always on-point. Sirhr

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

1774 is in the books once again,....It's time the Remora of this nation no matter past or present standing are charged with Treason. Should none be, an there be no perp walks,... I submit Trump is/has been nothing but a shill for the left, to placate us while final preps were put into place.

 

[pmclaine]

I predict the return of throwing salt in the remaining open sores of racist tendencies, mostly defeated, but still held by some.

I predict a greater push to kill the integrity of voting.

I predict Joe B will have an incident that prevents him from being the lead communicator.

I predict things are unpredictable.

This was a global thing. Its really a World War - the World against Americans that believe in American exceptionalism.

We have them right where we want them.........360 degrees of open range.

 

[Yells01]

Rule of law is is only a concept. We can debate the natural born rights of man until we are blue in the face, and I would truly love to if someone dissents with the notion that 44 raped this country of the rule of law and made more Americans polarized and retarded in his far too long time in the White House. Law is practiced and accepted by those who consent to be governed, and our .gov doesn’t give a shit about that notion anymore because our countryman have grown dependent and stupid beyond all measures.

Currently, if any of you venture to a Walmart or some other “essential” business, you will see the creatures that roam the isles there and know we are a short breath away from humanity reverting back to the animalistic behaviors our ancient ancestors displayed. Humans are savages. Each one of us has, can and will continue to be if necessary. With regards to rule of law, it has been the lefts position to ensure more people are so stupid that they do not even know how or why our nation exists.

I am an American patriot, veteran, educated 34 year old white man who lives in New York State outside of Buffalo. Education administration is my profession. I take my job seriously to ensure that liberalism does not spread. I am resisting the current of retardation that the left spews, and it is so inherently engrained into the community I deal with, that the tide may wash over me and drown me. I’m willing to fight this fight.

With all of this rambling I am doing, I guess what I am asking is, “am I alone?” Our nation is corrupt. On the same scale as any communist country on this earth. Our leaders do not lead. Or governors do not govern. Everything is about the next election cycle and the next dollar earned off of our backs and filling their coffers with the riches of the working class. The same working class that is funding WIC, EBT, and every other communist bullshit program aimed at keeping the masses sucking on the power tit.

Fuck that. Fuck all of that. Am I alone wanting to disrupt every politicians way of life right now and remind them of who we are as American patriots? I’m not advocating for the next civil war to happen today. Im not ready. But if an appointment is made after my snow melts (in May, no less) to take this country back and right this ship, I’m game. I’ve had enough.

 

[Snipe260]

Rule of law is is only a concept. We can debate the natural born rights of man until we are blue in the face, and I would truly love to if someone dissents with the notion that 44 raped this country of the rule of law and made more Americans polarized and retarded in his far too long time in the White House. Law is practiced and accepted by those who consent to be governed, and our .gov doesn’t give a shit about that notion anymore because our countryman have grown dependent and stupid beyond all measures.

Currently, if any of you venture to a Walmart or some other “essential” business, you will see the creatures that roam the isles there and know we are a short breath away from humanity reverting back to the animalistic behaviors our ancient ancestors displayed. Humans are savages. Each one of us has, can and will continue to be if necessary. With regards to rule of law, it has been the lefts position to ensure more people are so stupid that they do not even know how or why our nation exists.

I am an American patriot, veteran, educated 34 year old white man who lives in New York State outside of Buffalo. Education administration is my profession. I take my job seriously to ensure that liberalism does not spread. I am resisting the current of retardation that the left spews, and it is so inherently engrained into the community I deal with, that the tide may wash over me and drown me. I’m willing to fight this fight.

With all of this rambling I am doing, I guess what I am asking is, “am I alone?” Our nation is corrupt. On the same scale as any communist country on this earth. Our leaders do not lead. Or governors do not govern. Everything is about the next election cycle and the next dollar earned off of our backs and filling their coffers with the riches of the working class. The same working class that is funding WIC, EBT, and every other communist bullshit program aimed at keeping the masses sucking on the power tit.

Fuck that. Fuck all of that. Am I alone wanting to disrupt every politicians way of life right now and remind them of who we are as American patriots? I’m not advocating for the next civil war to happen today. Im not ready. But if an appointment is made after my snow melts (in May, no less) to take this country back and right this ship, I’m game. I’ve had enough.

Spot on!

 

[pmclaine]

Rule of law is is only a concept. We can debate the natural born rights of man until we are blue in the face, and I would truly love to if someone dissents with the notion that 44 raped this country of the rule of law and made more Americans polarized and retarded in his far too long time in the White House. Law is practiced and accepted by those who consent to be governed, and our .gov doesn’t give a shit about that notion anymore because our countryman have grown dependent and stupid beyond all measures.

Currently, if any of you venture to a Walmart or some other “essential” business, you will see the creatures that roam the isles there and know we are a short breath away from humanity reverting back to the animalistic behaviors our ancient ancestors displayed. Humans are savages. Each one of us has, can and will continue to be if necessary. With regards to rule of law, it has been the lefts position to ensure more people are so stupid that they do not even know how or why our nation exists.

I am an American patriot, veteran, educated 34 year old white man who lives in New York State outside of Buffalo. Education administration is my profession. I take my job seriously to ensure that liberalism does not spread. I am resisting the current of retardation that the left spews, and it is so inherently engrained into the community I deal with, that the tide may wash over me and drown me. I’m willing to fight this fight.

With all of this rambling I am doing, I guess what I am asking is, “am I alone?” Our nation is corrupt. On the same scale as any communist country on this earth. Our leaders do not lead. Or governors do not govern. Everything is about the next election cycle and the next dollar earned off of our backs and filling their coffers with the riches of the working class. The same working class that is funding WIC, EBT, and every other communist bullshit program aimed at keeping the masses sucking on the power tit.

Fuck that. Fuck all of that. Am I alone wanting to disrupt every politicians way of life right now and remind them of who we are as American patriots? I’m not advocating for the next civil war to happen today. Im not ready. But if an appointment is made after my snow melts (in May, no less) to take this country back and right this ship, I’m game. I’ve had enough.

I went to college in what at the time was a very liberal part of the country - Boston. Now its just pure Communist but I digress.

My major was History and a lot of my classes had a political component.

It was a revelation to me the philosophies of John Locke, Thomas Malthus, their influence on people like Jefferson, the role of religious leaders like Martin Luther. Id never been exposed to this stuff and I am grateful to the force that sets all in motion that I was exposed at a point in time when education was neutral ground still (91-95).

What is at play basically is a battle that has been going on forever.

Two views.

Is Man Good?

or

Is Man Bad?

If you hold the first view you believe in individual freedom and you understand people will choose to be just and moral if left to their own governance. Such people engage in creating government to work at their behest to provide for the good of all those things that are benefited from collective effort. Govt is to serve at the will of the governed.

If you hold the second view you believe humanity to be bestial if left to a state of nature. Humanity needs strong governance to force them to behave in a manner to create a functioning society. Government is the means of control to ensure the people act to the benefit of the community.

Your world view determines which camp you are in.

Are you optimistic - Do you believe humans are mostly good?

Are you pessimistic - Do you distrust all others and expect them to behave in the worst manner?

All that has occurred over the last twenty years has been to convince us humanity is nasty and brutish.

Wasn't it nice in January of this year, prior to the 25th, realizing our neighbors were doing great in the economy, people were prospering and the Country was on the right track?

Compare to now....

We live in some funky dystopian society. I swear I'm living in the book "Brave New World" and I don't like it.

Where do we want to be?

 

[MCSO1357]

I went to college in what at the time was a very liberal part of the country - Boston. Now its just pure Communist but I digress.

My major was History and a lot of my classes had a political component.

It was a revelation to me the philosophies of John Locke, Thomas Malthus, their influence on people like Jefferson, the role of religious leaders like Martin Luther. Id never been exposed to this stuff and I am grateful to the force that sets all in motion that I was exposed at a point in time when education was neutral ground still (91-95).

What is at play basically is a battle that has been going on forever.

Two views.

Is Man Good?

or

Is Man Bad?

If you hold the first view you believe in individual freedom and you understand people will choose to be just and moral if left to their own governance. Such people engage in creating government to work at their behest to provide for the good of all those things that are benefited from collective effort. Govt is to serve at the will of the governed.

If you hold the second view you believe humanity to be bestial if left to a state of nature. Humanity needs strong governance to force them to behave in a manner to create a functioning society. Government is the means of control to ensure the people act to the benefit of the community.

Your world view determines which camp you are in.

Are you optimistic - Do you believe humans are mostly good?

Are you pessimistic - Do you distrust all others and expect them to behave in the worst manner?

All that has occurred over the last twenty years has been to convince us humanity is nasty and brutish.

Wasn't it nice in January of this year, prior to the 25th, realizing our neighbors were doing great in the economy, people were prospering and the Country was on the right track?

Compare to now....

We live in some funky dystopian society. I swear I'm living in the book "Brave New World" and I don't like it.

Where do we want to be?

I see it the other way, respectfully:

If one believes that human nature is basically bad, then you would acknowledge that we as mortal men are flawed and continue to sin, and therefor should seek redemption and salvation through repentance to a higher power (God).

If one believes that human nature is basically good, then you believe that man can make the right decisions only if given the proper education, training and leadership by a government entity during the course of ones life (climate change, racial injustice, etc.). Gov takes the place of God in society.

 

[FS1]

This is Turley's response, remember he is a Democrat. Maybe the only Honest Democrat. I can almost smell Bammy's fear.

President Obama Declares “There Is No Precedent That Anybody Can Find” For The Flynn Motion [He May Want To Call Eric Holder]

Former President Barack Obama is being quoted from a private call that the “rule of law is at risk” after the Justice Department moved to dismiss the case against former national secur…

jonathanturley.org

 

[Yells01]

Gentlemen,

We must remember that the American revolution was fought not to replace one tyrant 3000 miles away, with 3000 tyrants one mile away. While being a quite from the movie the patriot, I find it distinctly accurate in our modern time.

The United States amid America, after winning its freedom after years of bloodshed, was the start of a social experiment. Libertarians get hard thinking of those times, especially moving towards the early frontier. You could make yourself, remake yourself, and do life the way you saw fit. Government was small in rural areas, while compounding itself and expanding under Jefferson. While I wouldn’t argue that this is a bad thing, we have to go back to basics...

The basics are that our founders and framers saw tyranny for what it was and challenged it. They did so violently. They overthrew the status quo of rule of law. Are we at a point where we saw that the current status quo and rule of law imposed by men in the last 70 years really what’s best for us? Because if I’m shooting straight with you all, I no longer give my consent to be governed by the executive branches in my county, region or state.

To the point of whether man is inherently good or bad: neither, and both. The modern revolution of the human species is far more complex than simply placing a one or the other fit onto all of us. We are far too complex in most regards to be one or the other.

Being that as it is, the greatest question now in this time is, are we in the brink of something violent and disastrous, or will the sheep inherit this earth and turn this country over to the hand out society and make all of us the slaves of the system?

 

[pmclaine]

I see it the other way, respectfully:

If one believes that human nature is basically bad, then you would acknowledge that we as mortal men are flawed and continue to sin, and therefor should seek redemption and salvation through repentance to a higher power (God).

If one believes that human nature is basically good, then you believe that man can make the right decisions only if given the proper education, training and leadership by a government entity during the course of ones life (climate change, racial injustice, etc.). Gov takes the place of God in society.

Not buying it, respectfully.

I believe there is bad in the world but basically people are good.

The problem with that good is that they too easily allow themselves to become prey to the bad.

People have HOPE.

Its how you get 6 million people to walk voluntarily into the ovens.

 

[Soulezoo]

I believe that humans are inherently inclined to do evil things given the opportunity. We are all flawed.

 

[rhsc]

Dennis Prager has some interesting thoughts on human nature here. It's a short but worthwhile read.

--------------

Edited to add: In the Daily Mail article linked above, Obama tips his hand right here:

"In his web call on Friday, Obama ... said the Flynn case was one of the main reasons that his former administration officials needed to do all they could to help Biden defeat Trump in November."

He's sweating bullets, and he's telling them they should all be sweating bullets now.
Good. It's about damn time.

 

[MCSO1357]

Not buying it, respectfully.

I believe there is bad in the world but basically people are good.

The problem with that good is that they too easily allow themselves to become prey to the bad.

People have HOPE.

Its how you get 6 million people to walk voluntarily into the ovens.

If human nature is basically good, then 6 million Jews wouldn’t have been pushed into the ovens.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I believe that humans are inherently inclined to do evil things given the opportunity. We are all flawed.

To quote a great line from science fiction. "The universe is full of hunger, and hunger looks a lot like evil depending on which side of the fork you are on".

Consciousness is a thin layer that sits on top of the human brain to elevate it above the animal level.
However don't forget that humans can revert very quickly to the animal level of existence if something causes voluntary consciousness to collapse.
Most never experienced anything like this, but in bad times, be prepared to deal with humans that essentially have minds about the same as wild animals.

Think of the animals, they follow the rather harsh, cruel, unsympathetic and unforgiving laws of nature.
That will help you understand the base animal of the human mind that is fully capable of doing whatever it wants without your conscious mind.
Most people never bother to ask why they do the things they do, why did they choose xxx or feel xxx If they thought about it from a base animal/survival/evolutionary viewpoint, things might me a bit more clear.

One researcher made a very convincing argument of how much modern human politics is very similar to Ape social structures, down to the politicians kissing babies and pandering to the women and weak / betas.
Humans are not nearly as evolved as they think, an Ape may actually be better at winning an election if they could talk.

Civilization is a very fragile paint job over humans behaving much like a wolf pack or any other pack of wild animals.
If things get bad enough humans will revert to their basic animal pack hunting base programming.

Your ideas of morality, justice, decency, humanity are in large part based on the religious / social structure you grew up in.
It is very easy for someone else to have an almost opposite viewpoint for some reason and feel fully justified, so never assume anything is "universal".

Study the intelligent animals and the stupid animals, when something goes down, you'll see humans running the gamut fitting into similar behaviours.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

If nothing is done,...soon,... the door will open an men of vigilance,... will be required to ride thru it, to protect/preserve this nation. April of 1775 is quickly approaching,.... Again.

 

[Ken Burton]

We have the option of being good or bad, God given right.
Most people try to live as well as they can even without them going to church, and the churches of today are more worried about people coming to church then reading what is really written in the word of God. church has almost come to be a status symbol( going to the biggest and prettiest in town).

 

[Mister Ridge]

I went to college in what at the time was a very liberal part of the country - Boston. Now its just pure Communist but I digress.

My major was History and a lot of my classes had a political component.

It was a revelation to me the philosophies of John Locke, Thomas Malthus, their influence on people like Jefferson, the role of religious leaders like Martin Luther. Id never been exposed to this stuff and I am grateful to the force that sets all in motion that I was exposed at a point in time when education was neutral ground still (91-95).

What is at play basically is a battle that has been going on forever.

Two views.

Is Man Good?

or

Is Man Bad?

If you hold the first view you believe in individual freedom and you understand people will choose to be just and moral if left to their own governance. Such people engage in creating government to work at their behest to provide for the good of all those things that are benefited from collective effort. Govt is to serve at the will of the governed.

If you hold the second view you believe humanity to be bestial if left to a state of nature. Humanity needs strong governance to force them to behave in a manner to create a functioning society. Government is the means of control to ensure the people act to the benefit of the community.

Your world view determines which camp you are in.

Are you optimistic - Do you believe humans are mostly good?

Are you pessimistic - Do you distrust all others and expect them to behave in the worst manner?

All that has occurred over the last twenty years has been to convince us humanity is nasty and brutish.

Wasn't it nice in January of this year, prior to the 25th, realizing our neighbors were doing great in the economy, people were prospering and the Country was on the right track?

Compare to now....

We live in some funky dystopian society. I swear I'm living in the book "Brave New World" and I don't like it.

Where do we want to be?

How about I believe people to be good but know they're not. Do you get my meaning? I want to have faith in my fellow Americans but am routinely left disappointed and disgusted. In addition to abusive behaviour by the scum of society, I see apathetic behaviour by the "good' people of the nation.

As an aside, I saw no prosperity in my area. I saw, and continue to see, a great many people living a fragile existence of de facto poverty, with no reliable means of moving up in the world. Unfortunately, I find myself in the same situation and neither side of the aisle offers a tangible solution.

 

[Crang]

This was a planned leak and total propaganda.

 

[pmclaine]

How about I believe people to be good but know they're not. Do you get my meaning? I want to have faith in my fellow Americans but am routinely left disappointed and disgusted. In addition to abusive behaviour by the scum of society, I see apathetic behaviour by the "good' people of the nation.

As an aside, I saw no prosperity in my area. I saw, and continue to see, a great many people living a fragile existence of de facto poverty, with no reliable means of moving up in the world. Unfortunately, I find myself in the same situation and neither side of the aisle offers a tangible solution.

I get your point.

I was thinking on my original post while PTing, best thinking occurs than.

In order for my belief system to be correct you need something.....

Culture.

The population has to have shared Culture.

Dont mistake Culture for Race.

When that happens its usually not a mistake. Its by design to erode the idea of "Common Culture".

You can be any Race and participate in a Culture.

Culture binds and gets everyone pulling on the oars in the same cadence.

Erode, create division and create disparate goals you end up with disregard for "others".

The Cultures look upon each other as rivals or "lesser thans".

At that point "tribal warfare" becomes institutional.

Its not just a member of the Culture going criminal amongst a group of people that generally get along.

You get conflict of one side trying to completely eradicate the other.

Our Culture, E Pluribus Unum, has been under attack since the mid 60s.

"What do you want to do return to the 1950s" is the battle cry of those that want to eradicate our Culture.

I do want to return to the 1950s.

I want it under the conditions my neighbor can be Black, Asian, Indian and he/she comes over to my house on the 4th of July waving a US Flag, in other words with no bearing of their Race, they are American.

 

[theLBC]

obama killed race years of advancement in race relations with his hate mongering and race baiting.
the trayvon lie being the worst part of it.
somehow a white person killing a black man is huge news.
meanwhile whites are killed by black people every day it ain't news (because it happens every day?)
/not white

Most say race relations worsened under Obama, poll finds | CNN Politics

A majority of Americans say relations between blacks and whites in the US have worsened under President Barack Obama, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

www.cnn.com

 

[pmclaine]

How about I believe people to be good but know they're not. Do you get my meaning? I want to have faith in my fellow Americans but am routinely left disappointed and disgusted. In addition to abusive behaviour by the scum of society, I see apathetic behaviour by the "good' people of the nation.

As an aside, I saw no prosperity in my area. I saw, and continue to see, a great many people living a fragile existence of de facto poverty, with no reliable means of moving up in the world. Unfortunately, I find myself in the same situation and neither side of the aisle offers a tangible solution.

The second part of your post.

Im sorry for the plight of your neighborhood.

Who has created that?

I wont blame one political party they both share the guilt.

Truth is the "War on Poverty - Great Society" has taken trillions and wasted it by creating dependence in order to have controllable people willing to do their masters bidding.

Education systems never improve, opportunities have been taken away, social programs have been enacted to enhance the harm and destroy the creation of a family or connections that offer help without government.

Creating 30 million unemployed in two months is an effort to create more of that as quickly as can be done by November, it was a last resort.

Remember who did this, they dont hide.

 

[pmclaine]

obama killed race years of advancement in race relations with his hate mongering and race baiting.
the trayvon lie being the worst part of it.
somehow a white person killing a black man is huge news.
meanwhile whites are killed by black people every day it ain't news (because it happens every day?)
/not white

Most say race relations worsened under Obama, poll finds | CNN Politics

A majority of Americans say relations between blacks and whites in the US have worsened under President Barack Obama, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

www.cnn.com

Zimmerman wasn't "white" as far as the communist check of the box compartmentalization worked until he killed a black man.

 

[MosesTheTank]

Obama, Biden Oval Office Meeting On January 5 Was Key To Entire Anti-Trump Operation

In light of the newly declassified documents, it is clear that understanding what happened in that January 5 Oval Office meeting is essential to understanding the corrupt operation against the Trump administration.

thefederalist.com

An utterly worthy read by Mollie Hemingway, who is always on-point. Sirhr

Indeed, a good read.

Flynn's current disposition is largely due to the efforts of Sidney Powell, who assumed the role of his defense counsel as of last September. Sidney is a former federal prosecutor. She immediately gained the ire of prosecutors when she claimed they had put forth no small effort in withholding documents favorable to Flynn. Prosecutors claimed she was "advancing conspiracy theories". Now we see an avalanche of documents showing that prosecutors had absolutely done as she claimed.

And it gets worse. Powell has also pointed a finger at his prior counsel, the Washington firm Covington & Burling who had represented Flynn until last summer. They directed Flynn through his cooperation with Mueller's investigation. C&B turned over the case files to Powell, but she wanted more:

Sidney Powell, had called on the firm to go beyond the case file and conduct a more expansive search encompassing “every communication of any kind, including telephone records of every call, of every Covington employee, in which the Flynn case is mentioned.”

Covington Clashes With Michael Flynn's Lawyers Over Records Search

C&B claims the request is so burdensome that it cannot comply. This is utter bullshit. Like many large firms C&B has long since employed a team of techies to carefully store and index its records in a database. In this case it is a run-of-the-mill MySQL. There is a handful of people right here on the Hide that could extract this information in half a day using several means.

Of note here are two of C&B's attorney's, Eric Holder and Michael Chertoff. This is a gigantic WTF.

I think most people do not want to believe that some of the highest ranking government officials would do really bad things. They want to believe that they are good people. I believe quite firmly that most are good people. To do otherwise may shake their faith in the structure of our country. But the time to shake the tree of liberty has long since past.

Sidney is pure badass. I should consider it an honor to one day shake her hand.

<em>Licensed to Lie</em>

Sidney Powell talked about her book, [Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice], in which she discusses prosecutorial misconduct and what can be done about it. During this event held at the Cato Institute, commentary was provided by Alex Kozinski, chief judge of the U.S...

www.c-span.org

 

[Ken Burton]

I'm not sure about returning to the'50's, I grew up then and I didn't know about the racial differences and all, but when I went into service and being stationed in the south I was shocked at they treated the blacks.
My best friend back then was black and his dad was a cop. His dad treated me as one of the family and I got the strap just as often as my buddy did as we were always in something, never held that against anyone as I know and knew I had whatever I got coming to me.
But I will say we need to find a way to make Gov. smaller as they're to many on the gov. tit, regardless of what they do.
More city,state, fed buildings, parks and all the other things making our lives easier are actually taking more of our freedoms away.

 

[pmclaine]

If human nature is basically good, then 6 million Jews wouldn’t have been pushed into the ovens.

Culture is the key.

Some cultures are more worthy than others.

Regards Hope...

It works two ways.

Hope without self reliance leads the sheep to slaughter. The expectation is someone or something will intercede on their behalf.

Hope with Self Reliance sees those people getting themselves the situation that they never should have survived.

Before the Bible had folks making swords into plowshares they were commanded to trade their cloaks for a sword and expected to know how to use it.

 

[theLBC]

Indeed, a good read.

Flynn's current disposition is largely due to the efforts of Sidney Powell, who assumed the role of his defense counsel as of last September. Sidney is a former federal prosecutor. She immediately gained the ire of prosecutors when she claimed they had put forth no small effort in withholding documents favorable to Flynn. Prosecutors claimed she was "advancing conspiracy theories". Now we see an avalanche of documents showing that prosecutors had absolutely done as she claimed.

And it gets worse. Powell has also pointed a finger at his prior counsel, the Washington firm Covington & Burling who had represented Flynn until last summer. They directed Flynn through his cooperation with Mueller's investigation. C&B turned over the case files to Powell, but she wanted more:

Sidney Powell, had called on the firm to go beyond the case file and conduct a more expansive search encompassing “every communication of any kind, including telephone records of every call, of every Covington employee, in which the Flynn case is mentioned.”

Covington Clashes With Michael Flynn's Lawyers Over Records Search

C&B claims the request is so burdensome that it cannot comply. This is utter bullshit. Like many large firms C&B has long since employed a team of techies to carefully store and index its records in a database. In this case it is a run-of-the-mill MySQL. There is a handful of people right here on the Hide that could extract this information in half a day using several means.

Of note here are two of C&B's attorney's, Eric Holder and Michael Chertoff. This is a gigantic WTF.

I think most people do not want to believe that some of the highest ranking government officials would do really bad things. They want to believe that they are good people. I believe quite firmly that most are good people. To do otherwise may shake their faith in the structure of our country. But the time to shake the tree of liberty has long since past.

Sidney is pure badass.

<em>Licensed to Lie</em>

Sidney Powell talked about her book, [Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice], in which she discusses prosecutorial misconduct and what can be done about it. During this event held at the Cato Institute, commentary was provided by Alex Kozinski, chief judge of the U.S...

www.c-span.org

thanks for vid. too bad most americans don't even know what weismann did and how he is still working on something like the mueller probe.

an entertaining example of how the FBI and DOJ works is watching the movie Molly's Game.

 

[pmclaine]

Indeed, a good read.

Flynn's current disposition is largely due to the efforts of Sidney Powell, who assumed the role of his defense counsel as of last September. Sidney is a former federal prosecutor. She immediately gained the ire of prosecutors when she claimed they had put forth no small effort in withholding documents favorable to Flynn. Prosecutors claimed she was "advancing conspiracy theories". Now we see an avalanche of documents showing that prosecutors had absolutely done as she claimed.

And it gets worse. Powell has also pointed a finger at his prior counsel, the Washington firm Covington & Burling who had represented Flynn until last summer. They directed Flynn through his cooperation with Mueller's investigation. C&B turned over the case files to Powell, but she wanted more:

Sidney Powell, had called on the firm to go beyond the case file and conduct a more expansive search encompassing “every communication of any kind, including telephone records of every call, of every Covington employee, in which the Flynn case is mentioned.”

Covington Clashes With Michael Flynn's Lawyers Over Records Search

C&B claims the request is so burdensome that it cannot comply. This is utter bullshit. Like many large firms C&B has long since employed a team of techies to carefully store and index its records in a database. In this case it is a run-of-the-mill MySQL. There is a handful of people right here on the Hide that could extract this information in half a day using several means.

Of note here are two of C&B's attorney's, Eric Holder and Michael Chertoff. This is a gigantic WTF.

I think most people do not want to believe that some of the highest ranking government officials would do really bad things. They want to believe that they are good people. I believe quite firmly that most are good people. To do otherwise may shake their faith in the structure of our country. But the time to shake the tree of liberty has long since past.

Sidney is pure badass.

<em>Licensed to Lie</em>

Sidney Powell talked about her book, [Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice], in which she discusses prosecutorial misconduct and what can be done about it. During this event held at the Cato Institute, commentary was provided by Alex Kozinski, chief judge of the U.S...

www.c-span.org

His prior counsel is in big doo-doo.

They wont have the immunity of being swamp creatures.

Their legal mal practice should have them kneeling at Flynns feet, kneck exposed begging for quarter.

Few understand what happened here yet it is so simple to see.

Its almost comical how sloppy it was done with the communication left to show the trail of deceit.

It really casts doubt on the possibility JFK was an inside job that maintained secrecy. If that is the case the present plotters have the internet/electronic communications and record keeping to blame for their being caught red handed.

 

[pmclaine]

I'm not sure about returning to the'50's, I grew up then and I didn't know about the racial differences and all, but when I went into service and being stationed in the south I was shocked at they treated the blacks.
My best friend back then was black and his dad was a cop. His dad treated me as one of the family and I got the strap just as often as my buddy did as we were always in something, never held that against anyone as I know and knew I had whatever I got coming to me.
But I will say we need to find a way to make Gov. smaller as they're to many on the gov. tit, regardless of what they do.
More city,state, fed buildings, parks and all the other things making our lives easier are actually taking more of our freedoms away.

As much racism that existed in the South there was the same in the North.

It just wasnt as institutionalized but the model in the North became the model for the South when segregation ended - destroy the family, create the ghetto, economically "segregate" them from society, condition them to understand their voting in certain ways determines what will be provided.

The result of that is the creation of a group of people that view themselves outside the American fabric.

Culture is weaker, both races are divided and at risk of viewing the other as "the other".

 

[pmclaine]

Indeed, a good read.

Flynn's current disposition is largely due to the efforts of Sidney Powell, who assumed the role of his defense counsel as of last September. Sidney is a former federal prosecutor. She immediately gained the ire of prosecutors when she claimed they had put forth no small effort in withholding documents favorable to Flynn. Prosecutors claimed she was "advancing conspiracy theories". Now we see an avalanche of documents showing that prosecutors had absolutely done as she claimed.

And it gets worse. Powell has also pointed a finger at his prior counsel, the Washington firm Covington & Burling who had represented Flynn until last summer. They directed Flynn through his cooperation with Mueller's investigation. C&B turned over the case files to Powell, but she wanted more:

Sidney Powell, had called on the firm to go beyond the case file and conduct a more expansive search encompassing “every communication of any kind, including telephone records of every call, of every Covington employee, in which the Flynn case is mentioned.”

Covington Clashes With Michael Flynn's Lawyers Over Records Search

C&B claims the request is so burdensome that it cannot comply. This is utter bullshit. Like many large firms C&B has long since employed a team of techies to carefully store and index its records in a database. In this case it is a run-of-the-mill MySQL. There is a handful of people right here on the Hide that could extract this information in half a day using several means.

Of note here are two of C&B's attorney's, Eric Holder and Michael Chertoff. This is a gigantic WTF.

I think most people do not want to believe that some of the highest ranking government officials would do really bad things. They want to believe that they are good people. I believe quite firmly that most are good people. To do otherwise may shake their faith in the structure of our country. But the time to shake the tree of liberty has long since past.

Sidney is pure badass.

<em>Licensed to Lie</em>

Sidney Powell talked about her book, [Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice], in which she discusses prosecutorial misconduct and what can be done about it. During this event held at the Cato Institute, commentary was provided by Alex Kozinski, chief judge of the U.S...

www.c-span.org

I hope she doesnt go on any solo, late night walks in DC........

 

[theLBC]

His prior counsel is in big doo-doo.

They wont have the immunity of being swamp creatures.

Their legal mal practice should have them kneeling at Flynns feet, kneck exposed begging for quarter.

Few understand what happened here yet it is so simple to see.

Its almost comical how sloppy it was done with the communication left to show the trail of deceit.

It really casts doubt on the possibility JFK was an inside job that maintained secrecy. If that is the case the present plotters have the internet/electronic communications and record keeping to blame for their being caught red handed.

obama's piece of shit wingman in a member of that firm (covington) and they refuse to provide his emails.

 

[pmclaine]

Dennis Prager has some interesting thoughts on human nature here. It's a short but worthwhile read.

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Edited to add: In the Daily Mail article linked above, Obama tips his hand right here:

"In his web call on Friday, Obama ... said the Flynn case was one of the main reasons that his former administration officials needed to do all they could to help Biden defeat Trump in November."

He's sweating bullets, and he's telling them they should all be sweating bullets now.
Good. It's about damn time.

I disagree with DP.

Under his assumption we should have no 2A.

Generally bad people will abuse the right.

I believe the individual chooses to be bad.

He attributes the anti gun idea that "it is the gun, not the shooter" when trying ban firearms is a result of thinking people are good so the gun must have made them do it.

Thats BS.

Its always the individual.

In our country with highest per capita firearms ownership we would expect hourly OK corral shootouts. Yet per capita murder wise we are down the list from countries with more restrictive gun laws in muders.

Those people seeking gun laws dont care about the gun or the person when discussing gun restrictions, they care about power. They want to concentrate the power of the gun in their grasp.

A thought that people are good calls for less government. Prager says govt will grow under that assumption as we would than assume "Oh whats the harm? They are their for my good."

No the harm is that govt only takes. It provides nothing without first taking. Good people realize they only need the bare minimum from govt to provide those things that collectively enhance the freedom of the individual. A national highway infrastructure to allow me to go where I want. A military to enhance my security on the east coast when the west coast is invaded, perhaps a communication infrastructure to let me speak/converse with people across the country.

Usually love Prager but I counter his points in this effort.

 

[pmclaine]

obama's piece of shit wingman in a member of that firm (covington) and they refuse to provide his emails.

S-U-B-P-O-E-N-A

C-O-N-T-E-M-P-T

 

[10ring'r]

Dennis Prager has some interesting thoughts on human nature here. It's a short but worthwhile read.

--------------

Edited to add: In the Daily Mail article linked above, Obama tips his hand right here:

"In his web call on Friday, Obama ... said the Flynn case was one of the main reasons that his former administration officials needed to do all they could to help Biden defeat Trump in November."

He's sweating bullets, and he's telling them they should all be sweating bullets now.
Good. It's about damn time.

That's why we haven't heard shit out of O'buslim for 3.5 years. I think, he's starting to feel the walls "close in" on him now, AND....he's been scared shitless for said amount of time, that Ol'Creepy Joe, in his dementia/alzheimers mind, was going to let shit slip out. OB has been looking a little stressed and old here lately. I think their little world is starting to crumble around them, but, no one will be placed in chains and why? Because they don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. Shit in the pot, is starting to boil. Just say'n. Mac

 

[W54/XM-388]

Before the Bible had folks making swords into plowshares they were commanded to trade their cloaks for a sword and expected to know how to use it.

Something to remember the whole "making swords into plowshares" was only ever mentioned as something that would happen in the far future when the entire planet was under the iron fisted rule of a non human entity that enforced their rules with absolute power and eliminated all ability for any violence to exist.

So not something that is ever actually workable while humans are running the show on Earth.

 

[Ravenworks]

Bottom line, now that everything is coming out doesn't anyone find it ironic that we hear secondhand news?
It's been almost 4 years and Obama hasn't said shit, the truth strikes home and now we have another distraction.
Yeah whatever, the people aren't ignorant.

 

[Ken Burton]

We must remember if a Dimmwitt is talking ,he's lieing.
The Dimmwitts have welfare for areason and that is it just replaced slavery as far as I can tell, just don't need to pick cotton for your home, food and freedom, so to speak.

 

[rhsc]

I disagree with DP.

Under his assumption we should have no 2A.

Generally bad people will abuse the right.

I believe the individual chooses to be bad.

He attributes the anti gun idea that "it is the gun, not the shooter" when trying ban firearms is a result of thinking people are good so the gun must have made them do it.

Thats BS.

Its always the individual.

In our country with highest per capita firearms ownership we would expect hourly OK corral shootouts. Yet per capita murder wise we are down the list from countries with more restrictive gun laws in muders.

Those people seeking gun laws dont care about the gun or the person when discussing gun restrictions, they care about power. They want to concentrate the power of the gun in their grasp.

A thought that people are good calls for less government. Prager says govt will grow under that assumption as we would than assume "Oh whats the harm? They are their for my good."

No the harm is that govt only takes. It provides nothing without first taking. Good people realize they only need the bare minimum from govt to provide those things that collectively enhance the freedom of the individual. A national highway infrastructure to allow me to go where I want. A military to enhance my security on the east coast when the west coast is invaded, perhaps a communication infrastructure to let me speak/converse with people across the country.

Usually love Prager but I counter his points in this effort.

I think you may have missed the main point of Prager's position on human nature: good people are the result of a good, moral upbringing. Babies are needy, narcissistic, clean slates that require constant guidance through their childhood years if they are to become anything other than a wild animal trapped in a human body. Someone else once said that, if you do it right, the process of raising a child is like civilizing a barbarian.

 

[oneshot86]

Not buying it, respectfully.

I believe there is bad in the world but basically people are good.

The problem with that good is that they too easily allow themselves to become prey to the bad.

People have HOPE.

Its how you get 6 million people to walk voluntarily into the ovens.

you are knocking this shit out of the park, like all the time, keep it up jughead

 

[oneshot86]

obama killed race years of advancement in race relations with his hate mongering and race baiting.
the trayvon lie being the worst part of it.
somehow a white person killing a black man is huge news.
meanwhile whites are killed by black people every day it ain't news (because it happens every day?)
/not white

Most say race relations worsened under Obama, poll finds | CNN Politics

A majority of Americans say relations between blacks and whites in the US have worsened under President Barack Obama, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

www.cnn.com

lets invite a kid bomb maker to the white house and talk shit about americans concerns

 

[pmclaine]

That's why we haven't heard shit out of O'buslim for 3.5 years. I think, he's starting to feel the walls "close in" on him now, AND....he's been scared shitless for said amount of time, that Ol'Creepy Joe, in his dementia/alzheimers mind, was going to let shit slip out. OB has been looking a little stressed and old here lately. I think their little world is starting to crumble around them, but, no one will be placed in chains and why? Because they don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. Shit in the pot, is starting to boil. Just say'n. Mac

Clapper in reference to Flynn - "Take the kill shot!"

If for a second Trump thinks they will not do the same to him and he does not close this game.....next time I bump in to him Im going to grab him by the pussy.

Mother spoke with her tard Canadian friend today.

Lady said "Someone should shoot Trump because all he cares about is the economy"

Granted its a 93 year old lady but apparently age and wisdom dont correlate in the Dominion.

 

[pmclaine]

I think you may have missed the main point of Prager's position on human nature: good people are the result of a good, moral upbringing. Babies are needy, narcissistic, clean slates that require constant guidance through their childhood years if they are to become anything other than a wild animal trapped in a human body. Someone else once said that, if you do it right, the process of raising a child is like civilizing a barbarian.

Thats not upbringing....thats culture.

We once had a culture that put emphasis on the individual and personal responsibility.

If you broke the customs of the culture there was shame.

Shame is a strong motivator to get your shit together.

The notion of shame has been under attack since before Hawthorne wrote "The Scarlet Letter"

The concept of shame is now the problem and failure or perversion is celebrated.

Playing by the rules does not have great reward anymore as we clearly see those that play outside the bounds are provided the same rewards.

and.....


Kids are innocent, mere pitbull puppies, how they turn out depends on their trainer.

 

[pmclaine]

Something to remember the whole "making swords into plowshares" was only ever mentioned as something that would happen in the far future when the entire planet was under the iron fisted rule of a non human entity that enforced their rules with absolute power and eliminated all ability for any violence to exist.

So not something that is ever actually workable while humans are running the show on Earth.

The right to self defense is a natural or deity ordained right after all..........

 

[Ken Burton]

Culture changed when we began spending more time not mentoring our childeren and caring for them, allowing someone else to spend more time with them than the parent do, did or would.
We trust our loved ones to people and their believes without a clue of what that person is actually all about.
Some may need to put the kids before the money, job and whatever else comes iin the way of bringing the kids up with the way we want them to grow up and be.
We learn from others and I think it's like 85-90% of what we know we learned from someone else so who do you want your kids to be like you or the babysitter, teacher or the ones they spend the most time with.

 

[pmclaine]

Culture changed when we began spending more time not mentoring our childeren and caring for them, allowing someone else to spend more time with them than the parent do, did or would.
We trust our loved ones to people and their believes without a clue of what that person is actually all about.
Some may need to put the kids before the money, job and whatever else comes iin the way of bringing the kids up with the way we want them to grow up and be.
We learn from others and I think it's like 85-90% of what we know we learned from someone else so who do you want your kids to be like you or the babysitter, teacher or the ones they spend the most time with.

I think we spend more time with our kids now than I recall when I was a kid.

I was a feral cat compared to my kids.

My kids are innocents waiting for the slaughter.

While I was getting on the bus in the suburbs and going to Red Sox games in Boston at ten - twelve years old my kids barely know how to get around.

Everything they and their friends do is adult chaperoned.

I tell my kids to get out and do things on their own, learn from their mistakes, make me worry but please dont get hurt, they just dont seem capable of it. My wife cant understand when she asks me where they are, my lack of concern in answering "I dont know".

I think what also hurts them is the lack of standards in school.

They now know there is no repercussion for shitty school work nor is there shame for being the kid unable to attain the academic expectations. I was motivated by the fear of looking like a dummy. If these kids call one of their peers a dummy they will be suspended for bullying.

 

[Ken Burton]

I think we spend more time with our kids now than I recall when I was a kid.

I was a feral cat compared to my kids.

My kids are innocents waiting for the slaughter.

While I was getting on the bus in the suburbs and going to Red Sox games in Boston at ten - twelve years old my kids barely know how to get around.

Everything they and their friends do is adult chaperoned.

I tell my kids to get out and do things on their own, learn from their mistakes, make me worry but please dont get hurt, they just dont seem capable of it. My wife cant understand when she asks me where they are, my lack of concern in answering "I dont know".

I think what also hurts them is the lack of standards in school.

They now know there is no repercussion for shitty school work nor is there shame for being the kid unable to attain the academic expectations. I was motivated by the fear of looking like a dummy. If these kids call one of their peers a dummy they will be suspended for bullying.

pm, I hear you but I'm speaking in a general way meaning those in other parts rely on those around them, because their working more traveling more for work.
I worked with guys that traveled to work(3-4hrs.), 10-12 at work and the rest of time you know where that went. I know not everyone does that but on the other hand not everyone can walk their kids to the bus every day either(GLAD you can do that for them).
I tell my dil let the kids get dirty they're boys growing up

 

[oneshot86]

I think we spend more time with our kids now than I recall when I was a kid.

I was a feral cat compared to my kids.

My kids are innocents waiting for the slaughter.

While I was getting on the bus in the suburbs and going to Red Sox games in Boston at ten - twelve years old my kids barely know how to get around.

Everything they and their friends do is adult chaperoned.

I tell my kids to get out and do things on their own, learn from their mistakes, make me worry but please dont get hurt, they just dont seem capable of it. My wife cant understand when she asks me where they are, my lack of concern in answering "I dont know".

I think what also hurts them is the lack of standards in school.

They now know there is no repercussion for shitty school work nor is there shame for being the kid unable to attain the academic expectations. I was motivated by the fear of looking like a dummy. If these kids call one of their peers a dummy they will be suspended for bullying.

AND
ITS A FUCKIN HOMERRRRRRRRRRR

 

[pmclaine]

pm, I hear you but I'm speaking in a general way meaning those in other parts rely on those around them, because their working more traveling more for work.
I worked with guys that traveled to work(3-4hrs.), 10-12 at work and the rest of time you know where that went. I know not everyone does that but on the other hand not everyone can walk their kids to the bus every day either(GLAD you can do that for them).
I tell my dil let the kids get dirty they're boys growing up

The working more traveling more was by design.

Im going to go into talking out my ass territory my observations and theories.

Decoupling the dollar provided us with this great thing steady inflation.

Make the dollar value whatever you want, print more, print less, who cares.....its value is based on perception.

Than create a movement to convince the other half of the population to go work.

Dollar is worth shit but gov can only print so much before we are going to get milk with wheelbarrows of paper.

Get the other 51% of the population working and the tax income is x2.

Allow killing of the children of your national dependent voting block in order to somewhat control costs, come on now we are not crazy in govt.

Next create a Dept of Education and a Federal curriculum to brainwash the kids. Can't have Idaho turning out Conservatives when Massachusetts makes Communists....get em all on the same agenda.

It took beyond my school years to tweak that brainwashing just right.

Soccer and the metric system were rejected by my generation but now there are hordes of young people that think a tie is alright and the math they are learning is so fucked up a ten based system will be a Godsend, just need to die off a generation more. Baseball is dead, football is following it.

Have the media scare the shit out of everyone with crime stories by the minute and parents will shelter their kid into spoon fed innocents.

2001 create a never winnable war, 2008 destroy the idea of savings and force everyone into the stock market, 2020 have people give up their rights to mobility and privacy through fear of the common cold.

You would think it was planned.

And planned it was.

Im hoping Trump was the thing that fucked up the plan, we will see.

 

[Yells01]

After all the conversation, which I genuinely appreciate, I guess the question goes back to the title of the post; what is “for the good of the country?”

What’s best for this nation moving forward? Is it time to uproot the norms of the 21st century? Is it best to allow progressive thinking and the pussy culture just take over? Is it time that people get violent? What’s best?