Maggie’s For you car guys and Nurburgring geeks, like me.

[Supersubes]

Chevy throws down the gauntlet to Ford in one of the most badass nurburgring vids ever. Ford's response ought to be great, and hopefully they release a video, which they normally dont do.

Nothing even remotely as fast in this price range at the moment, although certainly there are faster cars/laps around here. Very rarely will you see so much commitment at such a difficult place. My favorite moment is at 5:44.

https://youtu.be/t4zSIVpVMaw

 

[308Gunner]

Holy Shit that would be fun

 

[BigDaddy0381]

That would be awesome... Driving or riding..

 

[Clearlight]

Sounds like it's hurting its front tyres a bit , needs a tweak or two .
Some great commitment to a few corners there , and very nice lines .
The old ring vid with the yellow RUF turbo 911 is still my favourite .

 

[Nomad0001]

Incredible !!! Thanks for posting. Surprised there aren't more car guys around here chiming in. Cars and Guns; there should be a big overlap...

 

[Rthur]

I guess the Americans can make a car that turns left and right.
Ride along vid was telling on how difficult the Ring is.

R

 

[Tucker301]

Fun to watch and I have zero desire to drive or ride that close to wrecking.

 

[1J04]

Exciting as hell, to watch. Samezies though. I ain't doing that in either seat.

 

[oneshot86]

damn, real cool... 171, thats fast

 

[...]

finally american cars with some actual balls to rival our european neighbors.....

 

[Supersubes]

The driver is Camaro's ride and handling engineer, Bill Wise.

The tire is a road going treaded R compound. Not much info on it yet, but im guessing its like a Pirelli Trofeo R or a Michelin PS Cup tire.

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[hermosabeach]

I don't want to say it's easy to build a track car.....



but most most American cars that do well on the Ring, suck on the streets of America

they are great for a track but not good nor great for the street / daily driving.


one of the amazing thing about Porsche was you had super car performance and yet you could drive it to work and the motor would easily last more than 100,000 miles and not need major work / rebuilding.


The bmw M series is a car that works amazing on and off of the ring....

i hope the camero works both ways..... a car that can be driven on the street and one that is fast on the track

 

[Supersubes]

That might have been true 10 years ago, not now.



Check this out:

This isnt even a 1le SS. They like it better in most every category, street and track. The bmw is 31k more expensive. Read multiple sources if you like, you'll find more of the same.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.moto...-2015-bmw-m4-vs-2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss/amp/

 

[Clearlight]

Yeah it's a golden time for US made sport sedans , excellent value for money
compared to Euro eqivs . The car is the vid was prolly close to standard except
for maybe raised tyre pressures ,and set up to understeer a little for the lowest
common denominator consumer driver . It looks like it will respond very nicely to some
suspension tuning by enthusiastic drivers . Always a compromise though , out of
the showroom it has to do everything including daily driving and have some ride
quality .

 

[z28kid]

Wow, that was crazy. I thought he lost it a couple times. Like others have stated, I have no desire to do that.

 

[Supersubes]

Yeah it's a golden time for US made sport sedans , excellent value for money
compared to Euro eqivs . The car is the vid was prolly close to standard except
for maybe raised tyre pressures ,and set up to understeer a little for the lowest
common denominator consumer driver . It looks like it will respond very nicely to some
suspension tuning by enthusiastic drivers . Always a compromise though , out of
the showroom it has to do everything including daily driving and have some ride
quality .

The literature speaks about the adjustable chassis, and how this car was set up in the "track"settings. It's interesting youre keying in on understeer. I think what your seeing is a car with downforce changing balance as the track and downforce conditions change. The standout thing for me is near complete lack of oversteer. It steps out a few times, but never very bad, and mostly due to curbing or bumps. With 880 newton meters of torque, it should be a tire spinning beast like the c7 Z06, but it isnt.


Here's the ring record holder for a road car. Huge downforce, and in a different league of speed from the zl1 1le, but watch how the balance changes (almost entirely with the front end), throughout the lap.

https://youtu.be/U4UD2N0EAdo


Here's the standard zl1 with the 10 speed auto. No downforce and a lesser tire(normal spec). This has the magnetoreological suspension, so it should be an awesome street car.

https://youtu.be/FrFnrcpBj5k




You guys are crazy, driving the ring is what dreams are made of!

 

[mi223]

I would love to drive it... i would probably look like someones grandma out there after a run like that. That guy can flat out drive. Wow

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[Clearlight]

The literature speaks about the adjustable chassis, and how this car was set up in the "track"settings. It's interesting youre keying in on understeer. I think what your seeing is a car with downforce changing balance as the track and downforce conditions change. The standout thing for me is near complete lack of oversteer. It steps out a few times, but never very bad, and mostly due to curbing or bumps. With 880 newton meters of torque, it should be a tire spinning beast like the c7 Z06, but it isnt.


Here's the ring record holder for a road car. Huge downforce, and in a different league of speed from the zl1 1le, but watch how the balance changes (almost entirely with the front end), throughout the lap.

https://youtu.be/U4UD2N0EAdo


Here's the standard zl1 with the 10 speed auto. No downforce and a lesser tire(normal spec). This has the magnetoreological suspension, so it should be an awesome street car.

https://youtu.be/FrFnrcpBj5k




You guys are crazy, driving the ring is what dreams are made of!

Yeah the rear wing is huge ! More aero on the front would be good but it's
a road car . I'd still want more front grip though . That's the hangover of a
rally background I'd say unfortunately . It's getting the power down really
well , shitty surface and all .

 

[Supersubes]

Read last night that the front end is adjustable for caster and ride height, and the the rear anti-sway bar is three position adjustable.

 

[Dougie308]

I'd love to run my Sti on that track

 

[knockemdown]

 

[Shooter McGavin]

I would love to do that. Once you have raced a car on the track you don't want to stop.

https://youtu.be/_VA6no6XhgU

 

[abizdafuzz]

It's going to be a great machine for sure. Glad to see Chevy still pushing the limits in the Camaro and not just the vette...

 

[TripleBull]

Excellent, thanks for putting that up.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Has anyone found a video of the current Cadillac CTS-V?
Just wondering if it's close to that time and speed.

 

[Supersubes]

Has anyone found a video of the current Cadillac CTS-V?
Just wondering if it's close to that time and speed.

I dont think they posted one. From a specs standpoint, it would be nowhere near this. Same motor, a lot more weight, much less tire, less sticky tire, and no downforce.

 

[TripleBull]

I remember the '09 CTS ran under 8 minutes and it was claimed to be a production vehicle with factory street tires. Chevrolet basically built the Camaro around the tire for the ZL-1 so it's no surprise it handles like a champ.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Back in the 1980's there was this insane and dangerous amusement park named Action Park in Northern NJ. They ran Lola Karts, and I got to drive a bunch of laps there. Very physically demanding, but if you really pushed it, you could set up a drift. Worked my way up to top ten lap times.

Years later, I got to ride with championship Porsche Cup and Ferrari Challenge drivers doing hot laps at The Glen. Never to be forgotten.

Best I could do, but plenty good enough for an everyman.

Greg

 

[bribassguy]

That's pretty fast around the ring. I drove it a few years ago in a rented diesel Volvo... didn't come anywhere near 7 minutes.

I agree that for the most part making a car go fast around the ring ruins it for almost everything else. I am impressed that it's that close to the Corvette z06.

 

[knockemdown]

Back in the 1980's there was this insane and dangerous amusement park named Action Park in Northern NJ. They ran Lola Karts, and I got to drive a bunch of laps there. Very physically demanding, but if you really pushed it, you could set up a drift. Worked my way up to top ten lap times.

Years later, I got to ride with championship Porsche Cup and Ferrari Challenge drivers doing hot laps at The Glen. Never to be forgotten.

Best I could do, but plenty good enough for an everyman.

Greg

Per Greg's description, we called it "Traction Park"!
If you left that place without seeing your own blood, or smelling the aroma of melted flesh from wipin' out on the Alpine Slide, you missed all the fun!
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[Greg Langelius *]

Yes. I, too, wiped out on the Alpine Slide. Left a streak of my right elbow/forearm up there somewhere...