Rifle Scopes fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

[AXEMAN]

ok so i got my mil/moa TRS-1 sent into bushnell for service since my elevation travel didnt meet advertised specs. the big brown truck dropped of a gift today.

its mil/mil marked on the box

and .1 on the turrets.

markings are 0||||0.5||||1||||1.5||||2||||2.5 all the way to 5||||0 so thats 5.5 mil per revolution. i get 24.2 mils from top to bottom of the turrets travel each of the 5 times i did it. its brand new, having just had bushnells techs function test it before shipping it to me. the focus is less stiff than my mil/moa and smooth thru its travel range. the elevation turret rotates with some stiffness, but gets free towards the top of the travel on elevation. after running it up and down its seems to have gotten smoother and mor even thru the range. zoom ring is firm but overly so. positive detent and audible click at 10x. windage has 25.5 mils total travel in/out. too bad that extra little bit isnt in the elevation instead of the windage. both knobs were mechanically centered while the other was checked for travel. reticle is sharp and clear. i will check it when i can get 100y laid out to see if mils are true. image was bright and sharp thru the 4-16 zoom range and focus works like it should. i was looking at some blobs in the trees while testing focus and they turned out to be sparrows, lol. as soon as i get my 20 moa base and new med rings,

i will give it some more going over. ill either like it or it will be up for sale in the optics area and ill be looking once again for a scope. oh and ill get pictures asap. im waiting for a card reader or ill borrow a camera. the knobs are attached with a hex key set screw thru the center, but i still see smaller set screws in the sides?

possibly re-using gen 1 knobs? i think thats how they attached. ill look under as soon as i charge my camera so i can take pics at the same time. finish is great, comes with velvet scope sock, sun shade, lens cloth and adjustment key for knobs. more to come

only two small things made it thru inspection.
crack in the cover

machine mark on the zoom ring

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

Sounds interesting.

 

[jbjarko]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

Paragraphs are your friend, in addition to those attempting to read your posts. Nonetheless, this is interesting info!

Thanks
Josh

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

Glad to hear you got the scope in. Now you just need to get out and get the round count past the post count! (just f'ing with ya

)

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

it all just comes out in one long thought. sometimes with a thought started at the beginning. i am taking pics too, and ill try to get them up asap. finish was never an issue. it was function. i think with the travel and the 20moa base it will have plenty of range of adjustment. the screws that hold the knobs dont seem to come out all the way so i cant really look all up under there, what i do see is brass. they screw out enough to allow the turret to be lifter and reset when you find your zero.

i checked to make sure it wasnt just new knobs on my old scope and its a new model number stamped into the bottom. i did look out my window at the neighbors house. with a light on in his house and curtains drawn, i turned off my tv and all my inside lights and looked across the street and could see his porch and curtain detail quite well. with the reticle on its lowest setting, i could still see quite well. its just after a full moon but cloudy or id see how is worked under moonlight. it is a heavy beast. my rifle is really light without it. i will have to weigh it, or look it up.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

Sounds like you should be good to go out to 1K with a 308, assuming the reticle actually moves as much as the turrets click.

 

[howdydoit]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

Im glad you got your scope axeman. look foward to hearing a range report on it.

howdy

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jbjarko</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paragraphs are your friend, in addition to those attempting to read your posts. Nonetheless, this is interesting info!

Thanks
Josh </div></div>

i kinda think with pictures, but the camera cord was missing...


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like you should be good to go out to 1K with a 308, assuming the reticle actually moves as much as the turrets click. </div></div>

dude your gonna jinx me, lol

 

[Sapper524]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

Had a friend with a LRS-1 that we could never get to hold zero and after one full crank the adjustments would start to shallow. The glass was pretty good ... hope it works for yah and interested to hear a range report.

 

[dc45]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

Gee, 0.1 MIL at 100 yards (writen on the scope, as per the photos)... Am I the only one who is concerned the powers that be at Millett don't have a basic understanding that a MIL is a MIL (i.e. a measure of angle) regardless whether it is at 10, 100, 1,000, or any other distance? WTF?

To my simple mind, if they can't get something this basic right, what is the chance they have gotten the stuff we can't see right?

DC

 

[PopSmoke]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DC Smith</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gee, 0.1 MIL at 100 yards (writen on the scope, as per the photos)... Am I the only one who is concerned the powers that be at Millett don't have a basic understanding that a MIL is a MIL (i.e. a measure of angle) regardless whether it is at 10, 100, 1,000, or any other distance? WTF?

To my simple mind, if they can't get something this basic right, what is the chance they have gotten the stuff we can't see right?

DC </div></div>

Um....I think you're misunderstanding what you're seeing here. The 0.1 Mil/click indicates that each click @ 100 yards is 0.1 mil (not a full Mil). So it would be similar to the Mil-dot (Moa) scopes that are 1/4 or 1/8 Moa/click @ 100 yards. Each click on the Moa scopes is 1/4 or 1/8 Moa @ 100 yards indicating that a full Moa of adjustment requires 4 or 8 clicks.

Thus the 0.1 Mil/click @ 100 yards indicates that to equal 1 full Mil that you'd make 10 clicks. Pretty simple concept and the mil-mil was meant to make measurements easier.

If you've read enough about long-range shooting then you already know that there's approximately a 20 inch margin of error @ 1000 yards with a .308 match bullet (168gr). So yes a mil is a mil at range, but it's also not a mil once you get out to 1000 yards as per the percentage of error. That is if I haven't misread the information I had at my disposal recently.

 

[dc45]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

My friend you have missed the point: a MIL (abbreviation for milliradian – do a Google search) is an angular measurement, and angular measurements have nothing to do with range. You are confusing apples and oranges, as was whoever came up with the label for the scope. If they had labeled it 0.1 MIL / .36 inches @ 100 yards, that would have been fine.

Furthermore the change to mil/mil means that the scope adjustments match the reticle, which again has nothing to do with any particular range. Think of it this way: If you can spot your miss, you can overlay the retilce and measure the number of MILS your miss was from your desired point of impact. You can then crank the correction in, and your next shot should hit your desired point of impact. If you have the still common MIL/MOA scope, you have to convert your miss from MILS to MOA's to figure out how much of a correction to make. Few of us are good at mathematical mental exercises in time critical situations

You can prove this all to yourself if you step away from the computer and go out and shoot... Actual range experience will give you a chance to validate what you think you learned from your reading.

I won't make any comment about your musings about 168 grain bullets at 1000 yards and margins of error, because you obviously have got several things you have read mixed up with unrelated topics. Again, go to the range to validate your theories before trying to explain them to the world.

Cheers,

DC

 

[InTheHills]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hide or Die</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DC Smith</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gee, 0.1 MIL at 100 yards (writen on the scope, as per the photos)... Am I the only one who is concerned the powers that be at Millett don't have a basic understanding that a MIL is a MIL (i.e. a measure of angle) regardless whether it is at 10, 100, 1,000, or any other distance? WTF?

To my simple mind, if they can't get something this basic right, what is the chance they have gotten the stuff we can't see right?

DC </div></div>Um....I think you're misunderstanding what you're seeing here. The 0.1 Mil/click indicates that each click @ 100 yards is 0.1 mil (not a full Mil). So it would be similar to the Mil-dot (Moa) scopes that are 1/4 or 1/8 Moa/click @ 100 yards. Each click on the Moa scopes is 1/4 or 1/8 Moa @ 100 yards indicating that a full Moa of adjustment requires 4 or 8 clicks.</div></div> DC - I saw that and flinched too.

Hide or Die - The big problem is that a 'mil' is a measure of angle not length. So a mil is a mil at 10m, 100m, or 1000m. The company not understanding this basic fact is worrisome. A lesser issue is that I would prefer to have the cap read "1 Click = .1 mrad". The correct term is mrad (milliradian) not mil.

Check out this post: Learn The Mil System

Or anything by Lindy

GM

 

[BlackBird97]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

This is all interesting information, especially since I've been considering one of these scopes for a while now. I'm definitely looking forward to a range report or any other info about this scope.

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DC Smith</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gee, 0.1 MIL at 100 yards (writen on the scope, as per the photos)... Am I the only one who is concerned the powers that be at Millett don't have a basic understanding that a MIL is a MIL (i.e. a measure of angle) regardless whether it is at 10, 100, 1,000, or any other distance? WTF?

To my simple mind, if they can't get something this basic right, what is the chance they have gotten the stuff we can't see right?

DC </div></div>

so i saw this and it struck me and i just had to post ...

 

[fdkay]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

Well, if we agree that "mil" is an abbreviation of milliradian, then it matters not if it says "mil" or "mrad", as they both mean the same thing.
However, if you look at the picture of the Loopy, they are actually more correct, it is 0.1 mil at any distance.
But if you really want to get down to the brass tacks, 0.1 mil at 100 would still be correct, even though it is also 0.1 at 200, etc...

 

[Zebra644]

Re: fresh from bushnell, the mil/mil Millett

Well I bought a Millett TRS-1 a few weeks ago and got a break in the weather to take it out and shoot. I put 40 rnds though my Rem. 700 SPS 308, 168 gr. Federal Gold Match on a McMillian A-5 stock with Harris S bi-pod and accu shot mono-pod. After I moved the windage and elevation around I put it back on 0 and it was dead on. My barrel was warm to the touch but not hot, it was about 37 degrees, sparatic light rain, and maybe a 5 mph wind at 1/4 to 1/2 value at times. I was only able to shoot at 100 yds. The Millett I got had the serial number on the bottom of the turrent as it should, and the sticker on the bottom of the box shows, 2009 B.O.P. Bushnell. So far I like it. If the rifle is not in the safe its in a padded Galliti Int. drag bag-shooters mat. I am courious to see how it shoots when I take it back out the first week of Feb. Unfourtuantely I will not be able to put more than 20 rounds through it at that point, due to ammo shortage.