At $400 per 1,000, I’m about to offload an undisclosed amount of primers.
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Just because I support capitalism doesn't mean I can't call someone's an asshole for abusing or fueling a shit situation. I support free speech but still call some people assholes for what they say.Capitalism. If you celebrate it, can't complain about it.
Prices will go where the market will bear.
Someone should force you to work for minimum wage because they feel its what you are worth despite the real market value of your labor.Just because I support capitalism doesn't mean I can't call someone's an asshole for abusing or fueling a shit situation. I support free speech but still call some people assholes for what they say.
Someone should force you to work for minimum wage because they feel its what you are worth despite the real market value of your labor.
Starting to get the picture?
This is a huge problem in our society where people do not understand basic economics or how free markets work. The same ones who scream "Merica when its convenient; parrot socialist policies when is not. People really need to start applying critical thinking, especially if they want to claim they believe in things such as freedom of association, capitalism and individual liberties.
I almost want to post my garbage ammo and make some money!
Blue and purple states. Look at the SAFE Act in NY, magazine limitations across multiple states including Magpul’s previous HQ, huge stupidity in Maryland, and the constant assault in other states. They are chipping away at the state level, I think that’s undeniable.
Not Yet.Not in my state.
Ammo shortages have never lasted more than 2 years. Just like when every machine shop became an AR manufacture durring the 08 and then sandy hook scare, plenty of new ammo companies popped up.
90% of them went out of business a year later when demand plummeted, when the market was flooded and prices were at an all time high.
You don't buy a house based on your overtime wages the same as you dont invest long term based on all time high prices. Its not sustainable.
Its pure hubris and ignorance to think YOU know more than the billion dollar companies who have been around a half of century in this industry. If they thought it would be worth it, they would. Business exist to make money.
This is a common theme for people who are new to guns or havent been paying attention. They have zero idea what they are talking about. Anyone who runs or manages a business this shit is readily apparent and needs no explanation. Its like explaining to a todler why shitting on the kitchen floor is a bad idea.
Not Yet.
20 years ago People in CO said the same thing.
Liberalism is a parasite that spreads and destroys its host. They are coming for you eventually. And even if you are the last to go down, who else will be there to help you?
“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out,
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out,
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out,
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.”
Seems like if you had won the lottery and could tool up and traverse the ocean of red tape on the way through this patch, then sit on the stock you’ve produced for the next 4-8 years, you could start working your way toward profitability at that point.
And at the same time they say how great companies who don't raise their prices are when their entire business model is Drop Shipping.I'm out of fucking LIKES to give
I too am tired of know-nothing dumbasses who've never, EVER, managed let alone owned a capital-intensive business spouting off how ammo companies should do this or that.
Well, some people are paying those prices in gun stores. I've seen it! Saw a guy at Academy picking up a new rifle, and then saw him at the gun shop buying ammo for it. $50 for a box of 308 FGMM!Except for the fact that they are unintentionally setting the market. People will see these vastly inflated completed auctions and think that's what they can sell for.
Like @CrabsandFootball said, not yet. A good 20% of America currently has some kind of ban in place and many more have legislation being pushed every legislative session. The threat is not imagined.Not in my state.
amen!!!!!!!!!Someone should force you to work for minimum wage because they feel its what you are worth despite the real market value of your labor.
Starting to get the picture?
This is a huge problem in our society where people do not understand basic economics or how free markets work. The same ones who scream "Merica when its convenient; parrot socialist policies when is not. People really need to start applying critical thinking, especially if they want to claim they believe in things such as freedom of association, capitalism and individual liberties.
Yeah I’m saying it’s stupid. You must have missed the “won the lottery” bit.LOL
Nice business plan
Whose going to lend you the capital? What are you going to do for cash flow now? What are you going to do with inventory on hand costed at a premium when the bottom falls out either because demand dries up or because of legislation?
And at the same time they say how great companies who don't raise their prices are when their entire business model is Drop Shipping.
They don't stock a fucking thing and have zero capital outlays.
They should send this free shirt to anyone who posts that dumb shit
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Well, some people are paying those prices in gun stores. I've seen it! Saw a guy at Academy picking up a new rifle, and then saw him at the gun shop buying ammo for it. $50 for a box of 308 FGMM!
Laughs in primers powder bullets and brass.Oh man. I thought paying PSA 16.99 for 20rds of 175gr FGMM was high. At $50 per box I'd rather just handload.
My buddy SBRd his when all the brace shit went down a few months ago. I think he might be regretting it.This shocked me, considering they’re guaranteeing you a minimum of 12 month weight and MSRP I’d ordering straight from Q, but maybe it’s not such a bad deal after all?
Replicans gained and expanded trifectas this election season. State election results aren't fitting your narrative.Like @CrabsandFootball said, not yet. A good 20% of America currently has some kind of ban in place and many more have legislation being pushed every legislative session. The threat is not imagined.
He's lost the ability to flip it unless he wants to mess around with getting it removed from NFA. Over $8K though? Jeez...Thanks for the write up. That weight includes the mount I assume? Is that mount optional or a fixed system like the others?
Also question on the eye box when on 1x is it picky at all where your head has to be?
Why don't you give it a few months and we'll see where we're at? Your rights and mine are under attack, period. That's not made up and this line of commentary is out of place and off-topic in this thread at this point.Replicans gained and expanded trifectas this election season. State election results aren't fitting your narrative.
My rights have only expanded the past several years and no sign of let up any time soon.He's lost the ability to flip it unless he wants to mess around with getting it removed from NFA. Over $8K though? Jeez...
Why don't you give it a few months and we'll see where we're at? Your rights and mine are under attack, period. That's not made up and this line of commentary is out of place and off-topic in this thread at this point.
what is that old saying, a hammer without a nail is just paper weightWe can grouse all we want, companies will continue charging these prices as long as they can find people willing to pay them. They're just not getting any of my money. Faced with the choice of spending $500 for 500 rounds of 9mm or using that money to buy another .22 pistol I know what I'm doing.
I'm also lucky enough to still have a pretty good supple of 9mm, 5.56 and .308 Even so, for the time being my .22's (both rifle and pistol) will be seeing a lot more range time.
Where? And on what models?what is that old saying, a hammer without a nail is just paper weight
I'd be careful buying guns right now as ammo will continue to appreciate but we've seen some leveling off and even declines in gun prices
Still rather spend $500 .22 pistol than 500 rounds of 9mm. Us old guys have been through this before. Ammo prices will come down (although probably not to what prices were in 2019) and availability will begin to increase. It may take a year. It may take 2. But we will get there. In the meantime I plan on continuing to shoot but it will be a lot cheaper to be shooting my new rimfire pistol than one of my 9mm or .45 guns. And at the end of the day I suspect that .22 pistol will be worth more in 2-3 years than 500 rounds of 9mm. Time will tell.what is that old saying, a hammer without a nail is just paper weight
I'd be careful buying guns right now as ammo will continue to appreciate but we've seen some leveling off and even declines in gun prices
I know, I was buying 20yrs ago too and still have win white box with $1.99 tag on them...lolStill rather spend $500 .22 pistol than 500 rounds of 9mm. Us old guys have been through this before. Ammo prices will come down (although probably not to what prices were in 2019) and availability will begin to increase. It may take a year. It may take 2. But we will get there. In the meantime I plan on continuing to shoot but it will be a lot cheaper to be shooting my new rimfire pistol than one of my 9mm or .45 guns. And at the end of the day I suspect that .22 pistol will be worth more in 2-3 years than 500 rounds of 9mm. Time will tell.
And if you really want to get depressed want to know what I paid for surplus .308 20 years ago? .16 per round and it came on stripper clips, in bandoliers, in an ammo can, in a wooden crate. Still have about 1000 rounds of this ammo.
I'll take that 8208 off your hands.....I'm cashing in my 401K and investing in powder.....
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Look I'm gonna say this, I've been in the reloading game for 11 years now. I am also in the army which doesn't pay much as we all know. I live within my means, which also means I cant just go out and buy 10k primers or 400lbs of powder. However most of this shit is being bought up just to resell at a ridiculous price.You're angry because you showed up late to the party after most of the booze and food has already been consumed. Now you want to punish those that were there early or on time just so you can get your share of the new rations. That sounds just about right to be a socialist. Many of us have been fighting this crap for a long time while others set back and did nothing because it did not directly affect them. Now those same people that didn't care want to get mad and entitled just because they finally decided to show up to the party. I'm well prepared right now but anyone can bet like it's money in the bank when things I need are available I'm going to be Jonny on the spot placing orders.
We have a 15rd mag limit here in CO, army put me here, but they can sell "mag repair kits" which are just 30rd mags disassembled in the package.Blue and purple states. Look at the SAFE Act in NY, magazine limitations across multiple states including Magpul’s previous HQ, huge stupidity in Maryland, and the constant assault in other states. They are chipping away at the state level, I think that’s undeniable.
Be mad at the people buying them at ridiculous prices. If people stopped paying, theyd stop selling.Look I'm gonna say this, I've been in the reloading game for 11 years now. I am also in the army which doesn't pay much as we all know. I live within my means, which also means I cant just go out and buy 10k primers or 400lbs of powder. However most of this shit is being bought up just to resell at a ridiculous price.
If you think that's fair, moral, free market or capitalism, then you are an asshole and I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
Now politely fuck off.
Doc
Army pays great.Look I'm gonna say this, I've been in the reloading game for 11 years now. I am also in the army which doesn't pay much as we all know. I live within my means, which also means I cant just go out and buy 10k primers or 400lbs of powder. However most of this shit is being bought up just to resell at a ridiculous price.
If you think that's fair, moral, free market or capitalism, then you are an asshole and I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
Now politely fuck off.
Doc
Prices in the commissary and PX are the same as anywhere. Plus they charge a surcharge, which is a tax. So its the same if I shop on or off post.Army pays great.
All living expenses are paid for, housing, food, cloths, medical. Cheap shopping at px and commisary, cheap gas. Hell most bases have cheap skeet and trap shooting, rec rentals and even shops with tools so you dont have to have your own to tinker on shit.
You can easily max TSP every year and still have plenty of disposible income.
Still trying to understand why you feel entitled to cheap reloading compoments way below market value.
You should use your GI bill benefits or head down the the education office and take Macroeconomics from UMUC.
Yeah he is.Tip-Toucher being a know it all asshole again I see.
B.Y.H.