GAP-10 vs building

[Chainsmoker]

hey fng here trying to decide the pros/cons of building a lr-308 vs buying a gap10. I would pefer to build it but im unsure of what would be the best barrel for a precision build any advice?
Would i be well served ordering a noveske or rainer ultra match grade barrel or would it be better to go with a custom barrel? thanks

 

[untouchable13]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

I'm very happy with my lilja barrel. It was drop in for $460. I built my own lr-308 off a iron ridge arms upper and lower and have been very happy. I'm helping a friend put one together on one of those mega arms imonolithic upper/lower combo and I am excited to see how that thing will shoot. But then again gap-10 look sweet too.

 

[tomahawk84]

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Just get the gap 10 if you can afford it.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chainsmoker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hey fng here trying to decide the pros/cons of building a lr-308 vs buying a gap10. I would pefer to build it but im unsure of what would be the best barrel for a precision build any advice?
Would i be well served ordering a noveske or rainer ultra match grade barrel or would it be better to go with a custom barrel? thanks </div></div>

If you're going to build I would look at what companies like GA Precision are doing and use it as a baseline at least. GA uses Bartlein and they perform just as advertised. Same goes for other parts whether it be Badger, Magpul, etc. If the industry is using them and with good reviews then it would only stand to reason that the product is solid in construction. Obviously there will be room for improvement/customization to your tastes such as handguard, triggers, gas switchblocks, etc.

 

[T2CH]

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Resale will be there if you buy the GAP, it will not if you build it. But then again you will not have as much in it.

 

[Kaisersose]

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I would say your resale value difference will far exceed building your own from new components

 

[snakebyte922]

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I built my own AR10 for by far less than a GAP10 and shoots amazing!!!!

 

[snakebyte922]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

My total investment here was $2023!

 

[DamnYuppie]

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Care to share a parts list break down with us?

 

[bburnham]

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I also built my own using Iron Ridge upper and lower and Krieger barrel, couldnt be happier. I am sure that I would love a GAP also.

 

[264Charlie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I built my own AR10 for by far less than a GAP10 and shoots amazing!!!!

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Sorry man but the scope on top of the rig tells me you and I have different views of what shoots amazing.

See folks the internet is like the bathroom wall anyone can write anything on it. Can you build a rifle that shoots like a GAP-10 sure but it's extremely unlikely with drop in parts. Also A GAP-10 will carry a much higher resell value than a lego AR with random parts. Buy a system that is proven and works, in the precision AR world the GAP is hard to beat.

People that don't shoot often confuse price and value.

 

[Chainsmoker]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

That's what gets me ar's are like Lego as long as you put the right parts in it they should shoot just as well right? what's the difference from me buying all similair parts gap uses with a Krieger or bartlein barrel and putting it together properly? In theory it should shoot just as well as the gap correct or is there other things gap does to a accurize their builds? I to understand the resell would be much lower as it won't have a recognizable smith attached to it.

 

[264Charlie]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chainsmoker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's what gets me ar's are like Lego as long as you put the right parts in it they should shoot just as well right? what's the difference from me buying all similair parts gap uses with a Krieger or bartlein barrel and putting it together properly? In theory it should shoot just as well as the gap correct or is there other things gap does to a accurize their builds? I to understand the resell would be much lower as it won't have a recognizable smith attached to it. </div></div>

Who is going to chamber the barrel? BIG f-ing difference between a GAP chamber and some CNC chambering job. You will also notice a big difference in how the rifle preforms as a system. Tying to explain this to someone that has not shot a lot of matches is hard to do. Go look at the PRS matches most guys are shooting Surgeon and GAP rifles. We don't do it because we like paying more money. We shoot them because they are what works simple as that. You can self justify parting together something all you want. I am sure you will find 500 internet snipers to support you bright move. On the other hand you can listen to people that shoot. Your call but you will find many of us don't post much because we get sick of the BS.

 

[KillShot]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264Charlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I built my own AR10 for by far less than a GAP10 and shoots amazing!!!!

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<span style="font-weight: bold">Sorry man but the scope on top of the rig tells me you and I have different views of what shoots amazing. </span></div></div>

Snakebyte922 just got owned. LoL

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I built my own AR10 for by far less than a GAP10 and shoots amazing!!!!

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Not sure if you realize it, but that is NOT an AR10.

 

[264Charlie]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I built my own AR10 for by far less than a GAP10 and shoots amazing!!!!

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Not sure if you realize it, but that is NOT an AR10.

</div></div>


Shhh... Internet snipers at play.

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I built my own AR10 for by far less than a GAP10 and shoots amazing!!!!

</div></div>

Let's see some targets.....

 

[Cornholeo]

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I had 3 or 4 guys I work with tell me that we could build a badass ar-10 for half of the GAP-10 price. They told me I was paying for the name. Well I paid for it, received it, and have shot it as well as let one of the guys have a go at it. Their words, " fucking badass rifle, worth every penney". Could I have saved money, don't know as I am a noob with this class of rifle, but I do know that my GAP-10 is one good shooting bitch, period. Their craftmanship and product is certainly worth my dollar. Call them, talk to Ken or one of the others, you will not regret it.

 

[smschulz]

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To build or not depends on your objective.
Doing it to save money ~ maybe yes maybe no ~ depends what you put into it and how good a buyer you are.
Doing it for the experience or to get exactly what you want ~ answer to build is yes.
The propaghanda relating to resale, warranty, performance, bragging rights for a "name" > may or may not be true to you ... not a concern to me.
Sure you can build one as good if you put it together right.
No need to trash builders or non-builders ~ we're all in this together, right?

If you are capabable of building a good one ~ why not?
YMMV

I built a MA TEN and very happy with it.

 

[jaywmustang]

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u could assemble your lower and buy a gap upper

 

[Mike]

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First and foremost. You are not going to build a GAP-10. GAP has exclusivity to the upper they use which differentiates itself from a standard AR.

Second, I'll take the guy who's built hundreds of rifles build my rifle. Sure, you can have pride in saying "I did it myself", but you also can have the shame of saying "I f*cked it up".

Do or Do not, there is no try.

 

[KillShot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First and foremost. You are not going to build a GAP-10. GAP has exclusivity to the upper they use which differentiates itself from a standard AR.

Second, I'll take the guy who's built hundreds of rifles build my rifle. <span style="font-weight: bold">Sure, you can have pride in saying "I did it myself", but you also can have the shame of saying "I f*cked it up"</span>.

Do or Do not, there is no try. </div></div>

Very well put, Mike.

 

[LRRPF52]

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I tried the off-the-shelf route, and had 1 out of 3 success, and that was an Armalite/Eagle EA-10 with 24" pipe that shot 1/3 MOA out of the box. The next two were DPMS LR-308 and LR-260. Both are 1.5 MOA and the .308 had extraction problems.

Ray Dog recommended that I have GA Precision build my next one, so I went that route. They sent me a rifle that shoots .5 MOA 5-round groups, and runs reliably.

I turned to them again for my .260 Rem AR, and they sent me a Bartlein-piped rifle that shoots regularly into .4-.6 MOA for 5-round groups with every 123-140gr BTHP and VLD bullets I have tried with it, to include 123gr Scenars, 130gr VLD's, 139gr Scenars,140gr VLD's, & 140gr AMAXs. If I pull a shot, the groups open up to .75 MOA.

I shot a 9.25" group with it on Friday at 1000yds with the 130gr VLD's off the bipod resting on the tailgate of my truck, while laying in the truck bed. I had shifting and light changes in the wind conditions, but held the same POA.

When you buy off-the-shelf, you're rolling the dice with DPMS. When you have GAP build you a rifle, the dealer has the cards already rigged for you.

 

[KYS]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smschulz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To build or not depends on your objective.
Doing it to save money ~ maybe yes maybe no ~ depends what you put into it and how good a buyer you are.
Doing it for the experience or to get exactly what you want ~ answer to build is yes.
The propaghanda relating to resale, warranty, performance, bragging rights for a "name" > may or may not be true to you ... not a concern to me.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Sure you can build one as good if you put it together right.</span>
No need to trash builders or non-builders ~ we're all in this together, right?

If you are capabable of building a good one ~ why not?
YMMV

I built a MA TEN and very happy with it.

</div></div>

A home builder does not have the tooling to machine the barrels like GAP does. That is what sets them apart from off the shelf and home builds. You just cant recreate that hand fit, carefully machined, tight tolerances that GAP can hold in their shop. I just don't see a home build that can recreate the consistent groups that a GAP10 can.

 

[MaximumVelocity]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264Charlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">See folks the internet is like the bathroom wall anyone can write anything on it. Can you build a rifle that shoots like a GAP-10 sure but it's extremely unlikely with drop in parts. Also A GAP-10 will carry a much higher resell value than a lego AR with random parts. Buy a system that is proven and works, in the precision AR world the GAP is hard to beat.

People that don't shoot often confuse price and value. </div></div>

Comments like this make me glad that I've received the training I have. Out of pure professionalism, I will keep my crude comments to myself. I will however let you know that cookie cutter AR10's (or lego AR's as you would call them) with random parts do exist. Some of the baddest shooters I've ever seen were custom jobs that shoot wayyyyy better than a production GAP10. Complete with "drop in" parts. I know GAP is a reputable brand so I'm not knocking the rifle but better CAN be built. The GAP is NOT the end all be all of AR10 rifles or SASS setups for that matter.

 

[smschulz]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A home builder does not have the tooling to machine the barrels like GAP does. That is what sets them apart from off the shelf and home builds. You just cant recreate that hand fit, carefully machined, tight tolerances that GAP can hold in their shop. I just don't see a home build that can recreate the consistent groups that a GAP10 can. </div></div>
I thought they used Bartlien barrels?
Good ones no doubt but not the only barrel that is good.
What do they actually machine?
GAP's are very good guns but not buying the example at this point.
Perhaps you could eloborate.

 

[MaximumVelocity]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A home builder does not have the tooling to machine the barrels like GAP does. That is what sets them apart from off the shelf and home builds. You just cant recreate that hand fit, carefully machined, tight tolerances that GAP can hold in their shop. I just don't see a home build that can recreate the consistent groups that a GAP10 can. </div></div>

I respect you and respect your comment. I also read many of your posts on this BB but I strongly disagree. You can order up a barrel from a reputable manufacture exactly how you want it. Trust me, with the right load and the right custom job, the GAP10 can be beat. It's just that not too many folks have the patience to go through the "hard knocks" of it all and develop their own solution.

 

[snakebyte922]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264Charlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I built my own AR10 for by far less than a GAP10 and shoots amazing!!!!

</div></div>


Sorry man but the scope on top of the rig tells me you and I have different views of what shoots amazing.

See folks the internet is like the bathroom wall anyone can write anything on it. Can you build a rifle that shoots like a GAP-10 sure but it's extremely unlikely with drop in parts. Also A GAP-10 will carry a much higher resell value than a lego AR with random parts. Buy a system that is proven and works, in the precision AR world the GAP is hard to beat.

People that don't shoot often confuse price and value. </div></div>


Just so you know that was a temp scope for the pic. The accuracy of this rifle is amazing, @100yrds it shoots a group of ten that you can cover up with a thumb nail. I dont know any other semi-auto rifle that can shoot much better than that. So I'll stick with my "LEGO" rifle for now. Thanks for the comments!

 

[Mike]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just so you know that was a temp scope for the pic. The accuracy of this rifle is amazing, @100yrds it shoots a group of ten that you can cover up with a thumb nail. I dont know any other semi-auto rifle that can shoot much better than that. So I'll stick with my "LEGO" rifle for now. Thanks for the comments!</div></div>

Just curious why you would put a "temp" scope on for a pic, and a shitty temp scope at that? Becaue right now, your .25 moa 10 shot group is doubtful IMO.

 

[TRON]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

Yes you can build...

But in the long run you most likely loose some money on the build when you sell it.. On the other hand buying the GAP you will get an out of the box performer and the resale will be very high as well

I have built a shit ton of AR rifles they are well with in anyone ability to assemble. There is not that much to assembling of a AR platform. Your biggest hurtle will be finding the parts. My personnel recommendation if you have any skills try it!! Also I would stick with the DPMS-KAC -GAP-POF-Larue style Magazine lowers.


Good luck with your endeavors

T.

 

[poison123]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just so you know that was a temp scope for the pic. The accuracy of this rifle is amazing, @100yrds it shoots a group of ten that you can cover up with a thumb nail. I dont know any other semi-auto rifle that can shoot much better than that. So I'll stick with my "LEGO" rifle for now. Thanks for the comments!</div></div>

Just curious why you would put a "temp" scope on for a pic, and a shitty temp scope at that? Becaue right now, your .25 moa 10 shot group is doubtful IMO. </div></div>

Hmmm

Shit Scope.....Check!
No listed Parts......Check!
Absurd claims.......Check!


Going to have to throw out the bullshit flag on this one.

 

[MaximumVelocity]

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Another thing I keep hearing is the resale value. "The resale value of a GAP is high."

I don't know about you guys, but resale value is the last thing I think about when I want a solid shooter. I'm not dropping the money on this system just so I can dump it for a quick buck. If I have to go to war with my weapons, reliability will be far more important than how much I can get for it....

Why would you drop so much money on a proven system and have the resale value so high up in importance?

 

[Target In Sight]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just so you know that was a temp scope for the pic. The accuracy of this rifle is amazing, @100yrds it shoots a group of ten that you can cover up with a thumb nail. I dont know any other semi-auto rifle that can shoot much better than that. So I'll stick with my "LEGO" rifle for now. Thanks for the comments!</div></div>

Just curious why you would put a "temp" scope on for a pic, and a shitty temp scope at that? Becaue right now, your .25 moa 10 shot group is doubtful IMO. </div></div>

Let's to be fair, he did not say his 10 shot group is .25moa.
But my question is.......How big is your thumb???

 

[snakebyte922]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just so you know that was a temp scope for the pic. The accuracy of this rifle is amazing, @100yrds it shoots a group of ten that you can cover up with a thumb nail. I dont know any other semi-auto rifle that can shoot much better than that. So I'll stick with my "LEGO" rifle for now. Thanks for the comments!</div></div>

Just curious why you would put a "temp" scope on for a pic, and a shitty temp scope at that? Becaue right now, your .25 moa 10 shot group is doubtful IMO. </div></div>

Hmmm

Shit Scope.....Check!
No listed Parts......Check!
Absurd claims.......Check!


Going to have to throw out the bullshit flag on this one. </div></div>


Its amazing you guys are attacking my rifle in the manner you are. The price I quoted was for the rifle only, and for the original poster not you other rat finks who feel it necessity to bash and attack other peoples equipment. I am very proud of my build!

 

[TRON]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another thing I keep hearing is the resale value. "The resale value of a GAP is high."

I don't know about you guys, but resale value is the last thing I think about when I want a solid shooter. I'm not dropping the money on this system just so I can dump it for a quick buck. If I have to go to war with my weapons, reliability will be far more important than how much I can get for it....

Why would you drop so much money on a proven system and have the resale value so high up in importance?</div></div>

Because I'm like a Raccoon with a shiny object!! it fun to trade and buy other stuff

 

[KillShot]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another thing I keep hearing is the resale value. "The resale value of a GAP is high."

I don't know about you guys, but resale value is the last thing I think about when I want a solid shooter. I'm not dropping the money on this system just so I can dump it for a quick buck. If I have to go to war with my weapons, reliability will be far more important than how much I can get for it....

Why would you drop so much money on a proven system and have the resale value so high up in importance?</div></div>

Do you plan on going to war sometime soon? I only ask because I'm pretty sure that the government supplies weapons to our armed forces so you won't be expected to. Ring your single shot .22LR rifle from home. If you're referring to a 'SHTF' scenario then...that's another can of worms altogether that I won't even open.

Why drop so much money on a proven system with resale value in mind? Common sense.

Buying firearms is likened to investing money because that's what you're doing. If you invest in shitty stocks and bonds, you get a shitty return or nothing at all. If you invest in quality firearms, they retain their value for if or when you decide you want to move onto something else.

 

[poison123]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just so you know that was a temp scope for the pic. The accuracy of this rifle is amazing, @100yrds it shoots a group of ten that you can cover up with a thumb nail. I dont know any other semi-auto rifle that can shoot much better than that. So I'll stick with my "LEGO" rifle for now. Thanks for the comments!</div></div>

Just curious why you would put a "temp" scope on for a pic, and a shitty temp scope at that? Becaue right now, your .25 moa 10 shot group is doubtful IMO. </div></div>

Hmmm

Shit Scope.....Check!
No listed Parts......Check!
Absurd claims.......Check!


Going to have to throw out the bullshit flag on this one. </div></div>


Its amazing you guys are attacking my rifle in the manner you are. The price I quoted was for the rifle only, and for the original poster not you other rat finks who feel it necessity to bash and attack other peoples equipment. I am very proud of my build!

</div></div>

We're not the ones making bullshit claims without backing them up.

 

[JByrd]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just so you know that was a temp scope for the pic. The accuracy of this rifle is amazing, @100yrds it shoots a group of ten that you can cover up with a thumb nail. I dont know any other semi-auto rifle that can shoot much better than that. So I'll stick with my "LEGO" rifle for now. Thanks for the comments!</div></div>

Just curious why you would put a "temp" scope on for a pic, and a shitty temp scope at that? Becaue right now, your .25 moa 10 shot group is doubtful IMO. </div></div>

Hmmm

Shit Scope.....Check!
No listed Parts......Check!
Absurd claims.......Check!


Going to have to throw out the bullshit flag on this one. </div></div>

Priceless......
Def need to bring this masterpiece out and shoot some comp with it.

 

[KillShot]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its amazing you guys are attacking my rifle in the manner you are. The price I quoted was for the rifle only, and for the original poster not you other rat finks who feel it necessity to bash and attack other peoples equipment. I am very proud of my build!

</div></div>

There's certainly nothing wrong with being proud of your build, and you SHOULD be proud of it, but if you're going to make the accuracy claims that you have then it's recommended that you have photos to back it up; otherwise, it's believed to be bullshit.

 

[MaximumVelocity]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why drop so much money on a proven system with resale value in mind? Common sense.

Buying firearms is likened to investing money because that's what you're doing. If you invest in shitty stocks and bonds, you get a shitty return or nothing at all. If you invest in quality firearms, they retain their value for if or when you decide you want to move onto something else. </div></div>

SHTF is a little more along the lines I was thinking.

Our views def differ. I can understand someone wanting a quality rifle they may be able to make a dime on if they get hard up for money and have to dump it but not as a top priority. Guns to me are not an investment to make money on but I guess they could be for collectors. My weapons get shot. They do not get pulled out of the safe every weekend and wiped down with a diaper for friends and family to drool over. This means the resale value drastically decreases. I train with them and learn how to use them properly. When I was in the market for a solid shooter, several other variables stood much higher on the list than resale value. Longevity, durability, accuracy and most importantly, dependability.

I invest in my house and my life. Not the 500 guns that are useless to one persons family. Common sense is only what one person values it to be.

 

[snakebyte922]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I built my own AR10 for by far less than a GAP10 and shoots amazing!!!!

</div></div>

Not sure if you realize it, but that is NOT an AR10.

</div></div>

1st.HAHAHA, You sir have nailed it, HAHA

2nd I would not mind sharing my targets with yall at all, but I dont usually keep my targets to share with others on-line nor do i take pictures of them.

 

[Chainsmoker]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

To be clear building the rifle purpose was not to save money I have no problem spending more than a gap cost get quality it really comes down to my taste I don't like the looks of the upper receiver or rail system on the gaps I have seen. Do the offer a more custom build option? I know this is a small thing but when your spending this kind of money I expect to get exactly what I want from accuracy, function, and looks.

 

[Mike]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chainsmoker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To be clear building the rifle purpose was not to save money I have no problem spending more than a gap cost get quality it really comes down to my taste I don't like the looks of the upper receiver or rail system on the gaps I have seen. Do the offer a more custom build option? I know this is a small thing but when your spending this kind of money I expect to get exactly what I want from accuracy, function, and looks. </div></div>

The GAP-10 is limited in some aspects. If you want an AR-10 built by GAP then the sky is the limit. They will build whatever you want.

 

[snakebyte922]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chainsmoker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To be clear building the rifle purpose was not to save money I have no problem spending more than a gap cost get quality it really comes down to my taste I don't like the looks of the upper receiver or rail system on the gaps I have seen. Do the offer a more custom build option? I know this is a small thing but when your spending this kind of money I expect to get exactly what I want from accuracy, function, and looks. </div></div>

I feel the same way!

 

[Bacarrat]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

GAP will build you a rifle to your liking, but it won't be called a GAP-10. Not that I really care, as long as it shoots. That is what I am thinking of doing too since I can't stand the look of the POF/Hogan upper and rails.

 

[KillShot]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why drop so much money on a proven system with resale value in mind? Common sense.

Buying firearms is likened to investing money because that's what you're doing. If you invest in shitty stocks and bonds, you get a shitty return or nothing at all. If you invest in quality firearms, they retain their value for if or when you decide you want to move onto something else. </div></div>

SHTF is a little more along the lines I was thinking.

Our views def differ. I can understand someone wanting a quality rifle they may be able to make a dime on if they get hard up for money and have to dump it but not as a top priority. Guns to me are not an investment to make money on but I guess they could be for collectors. <span style="font-weight: bold"> My weapons get shot.</span> They do not get pulled out of the safe every weekend and wiped down with a diaper for friends and family to drool over. <span style="font-weight: bold"> This means the resale value drastically decreases.</span> <span style="font-weight: bold">I train with them and learn how to use them properly.</span> When I was in the market for a solid shooter, several other variables stood much higher on the list than resale value. Longevity, durability, accuracy and most importantly, dependability.

I invest in my house and my life. Not the 500 guns that are useless to one persons family. Common sense is only what one person values it to be.</div></div>

I also shoot my guns but I don't 'train' with them and I wipe then down and keep them maintenanced so that if the fabled 'SHTF' scenario ever arises, my firearms will keep running long after the abused firearms of others have been tossed aside for whatever malfunction or reason.

Resale will decrease based upon what brand your firearm is. A top brand 'used' firearm will bring a better price than a lesser quality brand.

Oh, and if I decide to swap or sell my POF to replace it with something like a DTA SRS or Barrett 98B, it will bring a much better return on my investment than some 'Lego' build and <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> is why you buy quality firearms with resale in mind.

 

[Chainsmoker]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP will build you a rifle to your liking, but it won't be called a GAP-10. Not that I really care, as long as it shoots. That is what I am thinking of doing too since I can't stand the look of the POF/Hogan upper and rails. </div></div>

This I hate the POF upper does anyone know if I can send a upper receiver and have gap build me a upper from there as I hope to grab a match mega set from the group buy thanks and I appricate everybody's response. Just the outpouring of support to go with G.A precision shows you the type of company it is.

 

[excess]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

yep, they will build on another upper.

 

[Mike]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
SHTF is a little more along the lines I was thinking.

Our views def differ. I can understand someone wanting a quality rifle they may be able to make a dime on if they get hard up for money and have to dump it but not as a top priority. Guns to me are not an investment to make money on but I guess they could be for collectors. My weapons get shot. They do not get pulled out of the safe every weekend and wiped down with a diaper for friends and family to drool over. This means the resale value drastically decreases. I train with them and learn how to use them properly. When I was in the market for a solid shooter, several other variables stood much higher on the list than resale value. Longevity, durability, accuracy and most importantly, dependability.

I invest in my house and my life. Not the 500 guns that are useless to one persons family. Common sense is only what one person values it to be.</div></div>

Speaking for myself I wipe down my rifles and clean them up. But they are a tool, a tool that gets used to its full potential and that includes shitty weather, getting banged up, dirty, etc. Anyone who has seen me shoot will attest that I don't "baby" my guns. But with that being said, a top rifle from a smith even beat to shit will still sell better than a beat up rifle thrown together by some limp-dick who may or may not have got lucky and did it right.

Build it, but it, who cares. Do what you need to do.

 

[jaywmustang]

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Cost for a DPMS upper (complete w/ BCG), bartlein Barrel is 1550.00.

Cost on POF upper complete is 1650.00

the POF and DPMS lower do not align correctly, and additional machine work is required to open up the pivot pin holes on the POF upper. the cost would be an approx. 75.00.


these are the quotes ken gave me in a email. back in october