GAP-10 vs building

[BCP]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

No you cannot build a GAP in your garage, yes you can build a sub-moa rifle using off the shelf parts.

Can you shoot sub moa is the real question. Most can't (I know I generally can't, 1.5MOA is about the best I can hold at distance).

 

[DamnYuppie]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Oh, and if I decide to swap or sell my POF to replace it with something like a DTA SRS or Barrett 98B, it will bring a much better return on my investment than some 'Lego' build and <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> is why you buy quality firearms with resale in mind. </div></div>

Not to detract from the OP but I keep seeing this sentiment espoused on this site. Something is not an investment if you don't plan on getting more money out of it then you put into it, period. If you think getting back less money then you shell out is an investment then I will gladly give you $90 dollars for every $100 you give me.

A firearm is, generally, an <span style="font-weight: bold">asset</span>, <span style="font-style: italic">not</span> an <span style="font-weight: bold">investment</span>. The rate of depreciation maybe less on a higher quality of fire arm then a lower quality one but that in no way makes it an investment. Of course this applies to the context in which those on this site use their firearms, not to the collectors who buy and sell them.

To the OP I would say buy a GAP 10. Then if you have time, funds, and desire then try building your own; at least you will have known barometer to measure your work against.

 

[A10XRIFLE]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A home builder does not have the tooling to machine the barrels like GAP does. That is what sets them apart from off the shelf and home builds. You just cant recreate that hand fit, carefully machined, tight tolerances that GAP can hold in their shop. I just don't see a home build that can recreate the consistent groups that a GAP10 can. </div></div>

I respect you and respect your comment. I also read many of your posts on this BB but I strongly disagree. You can order up a barrel from a reputable manufacture exactly how you want it. Trust me, with the right load and the right custom job, the GAP10 can be beat. It's just that not too many folks have the patience to go through the "hard knocks" of it all and develop their own solution. </div></div>


I normally dont even respond to these types of threads but Id like to point out the fact that "MAXIMUMVELOCITY" is a AR Builder and therefor his rude negative comments are understandabale as he wants to sell rifles.

http://lonestararmory.net/

Bring one of your super AR's to a PRS Match Ill bring a GAP-10. "Im your Hucklebery"

 

[KNIGHT11B4]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A home builder does not have the tooling to machine the barrels like GAP does. That is what sets them apart from off the shelf and home builds. You just cant recreate that hand fit, carefully machined, tight tolerances that GAP can hold in their shop. I just don't see a home build that can recreate the consistent groups that a GAP10 can. </div></div>

I respect you and respect your comment. I also read many of your posts on this BB but I strongly disagree. You can order up a barrel from a reputable manufacture exactly how you want it. Trust me, with the right load and the right custom job, the GAP10 can be beat. It's just that not too many folks have the patience to go through the "hard knocks" of it all and develop their own solution. </div></div>


I normally dont even respond to these types of threads but Id like to point out the fact that "MAXIMUMVELOCITY" is a AR Builder and therefor his rude negative comments are understandabale as he wants to sell rifles.

http://lonestararmory.net/

Bring one of your super AR's to a PRS Match Ill bring a GAP-10. "Im your Hucklebery" </div></div>

OWNED

 

[VJJPunisher]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

i just witnessed a flying "G-Money atomic teabag" off the top ropes

 

[Rob01]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A home builder does not have the tooling to machine the barrels like GAP does. That is what sets them apart from off the shelf and home builds. You just cant recreate that hand fit, carefully machined, tight tolerances that GAP can hold in their shop. I just don't see a home build that can recreate the consistent groups that a GAP10 can. </div></div>

I respect you and respect your comment. I also read many of your posts on this BB but I strongly disagree. You can order up a barrel from a reputable manufacture exactly how you want it. Trust me, with the right load and the right custom job, the GAP10 can be beat. It's just that not too many folks have the patience to go through the "hard knocks" of it all and develop their own solution. </div></div>


I normally dont even respond to these types of threads but Id like to point out the fact that "MAXIMUMVELOCITY" is a AR Builder and therefor his rude negative comments are understandabale as he wants to sell rifles.

http://lonestararmory.net/

Bring one of your super AR's to a PRS Match Ill bring a GAP-10. "Im your Hucklebery" </div></div>

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[excess]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

I took the Precision Semi Auto class at Rifles Only with my GAP-10. There was every flavor of AR10 there, along with one M1A. I was shooting Southwest 155's. For a novice shooter I was certainly holding my own.

 

[MaximumVelocity]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A home builder does not have the tooling to machine the barrels like GAP does. That is what sets them apart from off the shelf and home builds. You just cant recreate that hand fit, carefully machined, tight tolerances that GAP can hold in their shop. I just don't see a home build that can recreate the consistent groups that a GAP10 can. </div></div>

I respect you and respect your comment. I also read many of your posts on this BB but I strongly disagree. You can order up a barrel from a reputable manufacture exactly how you want it. Trust me, with the right load and the right custom job, the GAP10 can be beat. It's just that not too many folks have the patience to go through the "hard knocks" of it all and develop their own solution. </div></div>


I normally dont even respond to these types of threads but Id like to point out the fact that "MAXIMUMVELOCITY" is a AR Builder and therefor his rude negative comments are understandabale as he wants to sell rifles.

http://lonestararmory.net/

Bring one of your super AR's to a PRS Match Ill bring a GAP-10. "Im your Hucklebery" </div></div>

I'm sorry.....is this the comment that is supposed to be fired back at me for stating a logical and valid point of view?

All I said was that GAP10 is NOT the tell all be all rifle everyone makes it out to be. I never said I could do better or that I owned better. Folks have referenced in this thread that GAP10 is better than a cookie cutter rifle pieced together like "legos" with aftermarket parts and I strongly disagree. If you want to bash me by throwing a "call out" in my face about who is better or my personal interests then I guess it wasn't a friendly debate after all since I was so rude....lol

 

[fastex500]

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Anybody got some butter for my popcorn.....

And I would go GAP any day. just buying decent parts (MA Ten receiver set, SS barrel, etc...) gets in the low $2k range. GA's products are held in high regard for a reason. Just my $.005 after taxes.

 

[cpt.creedmoor]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A home builder does not have the tooling to machine the barrels like GAP does. That is what sets them apart from off the shelf and home builds. You just cant recreate that hand fit, carefully machined, tight tolerances that GAP can hold in their shop. I just don't see a home build that can recreate the consistent groups that a GAP10 can. </div></div>

I respect you and respect your comment. I also read many of your posts on this BB but I strongly disagree. You can order up a barrel from a reputable manufacture exactly how you want it. Trust me, with the right load and the right custom job, the GAP10 can be beat. It's just that not too many folks have the patience to go through the "hard knocks" of it all and develop their own solution. </div></div>


I normally dont even respond to these types of threads but Id like to point out the fact that "MAXIMUMVELOCITY" is a AR Builder and therefor his rude negative comments are understandabale as he wants to sell rifles.

http://lonestararmory.net/

Bring one of your super AR's to a PRS Match Ill bring a GAP-10. "Im your Hucklebery" </div></div>



That just fuckin happened.....

 

[excess]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I'm sorry.....is this the comment that is supposed to be fired back at me for stating a logical and valid point of view?

All I said was that GAP10 is NOT the tell all be all rifle everyone makes it out to be. I never said I could do better or that I owned better. Folks have referenced in this thread that GAP10 is better than a cookie cutter rifle pieced together like "legos" with aftermarket parts and I strongly disagree. If you want to bash me by throwing a "call out" in my face about who is better or my personal interests then I guess it wasn't a friendly debate after all since I was so rude....lol </div></div>

I guess that was a "no thanks"

 

[Chainsmoker]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

Wow didn't expect this thread to turn out like this haha. Upon the majority's advice I will be contacting GAP about building me a custom upper as I stated I would just get a GAP10 upper if it wasn't for my personal taste and not caring for the POF upper setup.That way I get the best of both world the way I want it with GAP's build quality.

 

[Rob01]

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Got this secret video of George. Our big, hairy, American winning machine. LOL Who, by the way, builds us all winning machines

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[Mike]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All I said was that GAP10 is NOT the tell all be all rifle everyone makes it out to be. I never said I could do better or that I owned better. Folks have referenced in this thread that GAP10 is better than a cookie cutter rifle pieced together like "legos" with aftermarket parts and I strongly disagree. If you want to bash me by throwing a "call out" in my face about who is better or my personal interests then I guess it wasn't a friendly debate after all since I was so rude....lol </div></div>

It's not a "friendly debate". It's you serving your own biased, personal interests. So you may "disagree", but your disagreement is not based off of logic, or quality, or experience but rather off of "I build rifles too so I'm going to say mine are just as good".

Next will you say that we can piece together a car from Napa Auto Parts and it will run in NASCAR?

 

[-Nick-]

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[smschulz]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chainsmoker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow didn't expect this thread to turn out like this haha. Upon the majority's advice I will be contacting GAP about building me a custom upper as I stated I would just get a GAP10 upper if it wasn't for my personal taste and not caring for the POF upper setup.That way I get the best of both world the way I want it with GAP's build quality.
</div></div>

Good thing you didn't ask whether to get a Mac or PC.

 

[BCP]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A home builder does not have the tooling to machine the barrels like GAP does.</div></div>

This is a big one when it comes to eeking out the extra bits of accuracy. You can get around that somewhat by ordering a custom barrel chambered the way you want but that costs a fair bit more than a drop-in match barrel like a rainier ultra match (which is already 'more accurate than you are' sort of thing). Out of spec receivers and bolts are another one that can get you as a DIYer in search of accuracy.

Sometimes as a homebuilder you get lucky the stars align and your rifle is downright amazing but not usually.

 

[Onemoretime]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All I said was that GAP10 is NOT the tell all be all rifle everyone makes it out to be. I never said I could do better or that I owned better. Folks have referenced in this thread that GAP10 is better than a cookie cutter rifle pieced together like "legos" with aftermarket parts and I strongly disagree. If you want to bash me by throwing a "call out" in my face about who is better or my personal interests then I guess it wasn't a friendly debate after all since I was so rude....lol </div></div>

It's not a "friendly debate". It's you serving your own biased, personal interests. So you may "disagree", but your disagreement is not based off of logic, or quality, or experience but rather off of "I build rifles too so I'm going to say mine are just as good".

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #33CC00">Next will you say that we can piece together a car from Napa Auto Parts and it will run in NASCAR?</span></span> </div></div>

^^^This, haha. ^^^

 

[Mike]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

Also to add...

You may build a great, accurate rifle. I'm not disputing the quality of your build. But when you come with an obvious agenda it takes your credibility out the window. Just be up front with who you are and what you do and go from there.

 

[Target In Sight]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Second, I'll take the guy who's built hundreds of rifles build my rifle. Sure, you can have pride in saying "I did it myself", but you also can have the shame of saying "I f*cked it up".

Do or Do not, there is no try. </div></div>

This thread should end here.....enough said

 

[smschulz]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also to add...

You may build a great, accurate rifle. I'm not disputing the quality of your build. But when you come with an obvious agenda it takes your credibility out the window. Just be up front with who you are and what you do and go from there. </div></div>

Is that a GA Precision ad in your signature?

 

[Mike]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smschulz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also to add...

You may build a great, accurate rifle. I'm not disputing the quality of your build. But when you come with an obvious agenda it takes your credibility out the window. Just be up front with who you are and what you do and go from there. </div></div>

Is that a GA Precision ad in your signature?

</div></div>

I'm biased. I'm not a rifle builder trying to disguise myself as just another unbiased opinion.

But that doesn't take away from the fact that the GAP-10 has unique features that make it more accurate than other AR platforms.

 

[cmrs8541]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264Charlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snakebyte922</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I built my own AR10 for by far less than a GAP10 and shoots amazing!!!!

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Sorry man but the scope on top of the rig tells me you and I have different views of what shoots amazing.

See folks the internet is like the bathroom wall anyone can write anything on it. Can you build a rifle that shoots like a GAP-10 sure but it's extremely unlikely with drop in parts. Also A GAP-10 will carry a much higher resell value than a lego AR with random parts. Buy a system that is proven and works, in the precision AR world the GAP is hard to beat.

People that don't shoot often confuse price and value. </div></div>

LMAO... oh shit son!

 

[BRADY]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A home builder does not have the tooling to machine the barrels like GAP does. That is what sets them apart from off the shelf and home builds. You just cant recreate that hand fit, carefully machined, tight tolerances that GAP can hold in their shop. I just don't see a home build that can recreate the consistent groups that a GAP10 can. </div></div>

I respect you and respect your comment. I also read many of your posts on this BB but I strongly disagree. You can order up a barrel from a reputable manufacture exactly how you want it. Trust me, with the right load and the right custom job, the GAP10 can be beat. It's just that not too many folks have the patience to go through the "hard knocks" of it all and develop their own solution. </div></div>


I normally dont even respond to these types of threads but Id like to point out the fact that "MAXIMUMVELOCITY" is a AR Builder and therefor his rude negative comments are understandabale as he wants to sell rifles.

http://lonestararmory.net/

Bring one of your super AR's to a PRS Match Ill bring a GAP-10. "Im your Hucklebery" </div></div>

"MaximumVelocity" is not the AR builder. I am. MaximumVelocity is a good friend of mine who helps me out in the shop when he can spare the time and is clearly a very loyal customer. He did not mention my company at all in this thread. Please don't assume that someone who has my website url in their profile is me. MaximumVelocity has simply seen guns that other people have built that shoot very well; both factory and "parts" guns, mine and others. MaximumVelocity is not out to take business away from anyone. No disrespect intended to George or GAP guns, they are amongst the finest. If I wasn’t building my own I would buy a GAP. Heck, my first bolt gun was a GAP Rifle. To get back to the original question posed "GAP-10 vs. Building?" To this I will leave up to y'all. I don't sponsor this forum and have no stake in it. However, between the two - building vs buying,(I would buy the GAP). George, it was a pleasure talking to you on the phone earlier, glad we could talk and clear things up.

Respectfully,

Andrew Brady

 

[Mike]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

BZ to you Andrew for clearing this up and being professional about it.

 

[cpt.creedmoor]

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+1 Mike

 

[A10XRIFLE]

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I did talk to Andrew, and he was very professional, my mistake as "High Velocity" had Andrews URL listed in his profile under "My Homepage". At any rate Sorry to Andrew. Ill still bring a Gap -10 to a match if "High Velocity" is game.

lol.

 

[BRADY]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

Game on

 

[smschulz]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smschulz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is that a GA Precision ad in your signature?

</div></div>

I'm biased. I'm not a rifle builder trying to disguise myself as just another unbiased opinion.

But that doesn't take away from the fact that the GAP-10 has unique features that make it more accurate than other AR platforms. </div></div>

What are those <span style="font-style: italic">unique</span> features?
A very nice product but I didn't see anything that was unique.

 

[Mike]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smschulz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smschulz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is that a GA Precision ad in your signature?

</div></div>

I'm biased. I'm not a rifle builder trying to disguise myself as just another unbiased opinion.

But that doesn't take away from the fact that the GAP-10 has unique features that make it more accurate than other AR platforms. </div></div>

What are those <span style="font-style: italic">unique</span> features?
A very nice product but I didn't see anything that was unique.</div></div>

Do your research.

 

[A10XRIFLE]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

There actully are a few unique features, The barrel extention and the way it fits the receiver. A couple different small Ideas/tweaks in the bolt to extention fit as well. Each one is chambered by hand with our chamber design. No there is nothing ground breaking but there are differences that can be called Unique.

 

[65nut]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

did we just have a man group hug? if any of you fuckers is cryin....i got no kleenex...

 

[Chainsmoker]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

while your here i may as well get it from the horses mouth if i was to contact the shop to build a custom ar-308 upper using a Mega Arms upper receiver would this also included the unique features as the GAP-10?

 

[DamnYuppie]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

Being in software development I have observed that people believe that implementations of the same concept are equal. When in reality the execution of the concept or idea is what is truly important. You can give 4 skilled people the same idea, specification, tools, computers, policies, procedures, support staff, you name it and you will get wildly different results in terms of user experience, fit, finish, extensibility, and robustness of the solution.

At the end of the day the quality of a solution or product is mostly determined by the people who built it, not what they built it with, at least this is my view of the world.

BTW this thread had it all; the highs, the lows, the trolls, the lolz, and a happy ending, what more could you want from a thread?

 

[excess]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chainsmoker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">while your here i may as well get it from the horses mouth if i was to contact the shop to build a custom ar-308 upper using a Mega Arms upper receiver would this also included the unique features as the GAP-10?</div></div>

Part of what George described is the way the barrel extension and the forearm mate together. You won't get that with the setup you are asking about.

 

[smschulz]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smschulz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smschulz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is that a GA Precision ad in your signature?

</div></div>

I'm biased. I'm not a rifle builder trying to disguise myself as just another unbiased opinion.

But that doesn't take away from the fact that the GAP-10 has unique features that make it more accurate than other AR platforms. </div></div>



What are those <span style="font-style: italic">unique</span> features?
A very nice product but I didn't see anything that was unique.</div></div>

Do your research.</div></div>

It was a genuine question ~ if you don't know just say so.
After all <span style="font-style: italic">you</span> made the claim.

 

[Mike]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

Actaully I DO know. But your sarcastic question demanded a sarcastic answer.

 

[264Charlie]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

I now remember why I don't post on this forum. I have better luck discussing ARs with my front door.

Building and AR - You CAN NOT build or assemble an AR without a chambering job. Who or what completes this job has a great influence on accuracy. GAP has a proven track record of building accurate guns. Now once a gun in chambered you can assemble it. So the talk of the barrel's make is useless unless you know who and what reamer is used in the chambering job itself.

Accuracy - I don't give a crap about your 100 yrd mystery groups. Show me some 700 or 1000 yard targets and we will talk. The guys saying they can build an off the shelf AR don't understand accuracy or what it takes to shoot a match. I find it funny that the people telling the OP to run a GAP are all the same people I see at matches.

Value - Every time you spend a dollar on a item you are buying value. This applies to many things in life and if you are so ignorant to think cheaper equals value I am sorry for you.

Let me tell you a little story. I had a local guy known for building accurate guns build me a rifle. I received the rifle and thought why would anyone go to a shop like GAP. This was way cheaper.

Well that rifle took me 700 rounds to find a load that shot in the .2s. That's 1/2 the barrel life.

Then I spent about $1,000 to fly and shoot the first PRS match in TX. Well that rifle did not feed correctly, had all kinds of mag issues and a trigger fail.

I got home and fixed up all the issues and paid another $700 to shoot another PRS match. Only to have the barrel die on the 2nd day of TPRC and cost me a top 10 finish. Why because I spent way too many rounds finding loads that would shoot.

All I have to do now is call GAP and rifles that perform flawlessly show up. Do they cost a bit more? Yes, and I am happy to pay it. Do they take a little longer to arrive? yep, and I am happy to wait.

One thing I like is the Precision Rifle Series allows all of us the really shoot to show it in a public. Well, I am not the best shooter in the world but I can shoot with them. Feel free to take a look - I'm Charles Roberts http://precisionrifleseries.com/standings currently in 7th overall in the PRS. Ask all the internet snipers to show you what they have done.

As for accuracy well this is shot 11 &#8722;22 from my GAP gun (bolt). This is not some best of the best group but 11 "break in" rounds that went in the same hole from a new barreled rifle with NO load development at all. Why 11? I know a pulled shot nine so a added a 11th to prove the gun could do it. This was shot form a bipod, rear bag in heavy mirage well under 60 seconds.

 

[smschulz]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actaully I DO know. But your sarcastic question demanded a sarcastic answer.</div></div> Sure but I haven't heard anything.

 

[264Charlie]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smschulz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actaully I DO know. But your sarcastic question demanded a sarcastic answer.</div></div> Sure but I haven't heard anything. </div></div>

Try reading the thread vs. looking for a fight.

"There actully are a few unique features, The barrel extention and the way it fits the receiver. A couple different small Ideas/tweaks in the bolt to extention fit as well. Each one is chambered by hand with our chamber design. No there is nothing ground breaking but there are differences that can be called Unique."

 

[swage]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

Why does a man and a company (GA Precision) that does so much for this site and the sport catch so much hell here? At least once a month there's a thread like this. Give it a rest already.

 

[KYS]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A home builder does not have the tooling to machine the barrels like GAP does. That is what sets them apart from off the shelf and home builds. You just cant recreate that hand fit, carefully machined, tight tolerances that GAP can hold in their shop. I just don't see a home build that can recreate the consistent groups that a GAP10 can. </div></div>

I respect you and respect your comment. I also read many of your posts on this BB but I strongly disagree. You can order up a barrel from a reputable manufacture exactly how you want it. Trust me, with the right load and the right custom job, the GAP10 can be beat. It's just that not too many folks have the patience to go through the "hard knocks" of it all and develop their own solution. </div></div>


I normally dont even respond to these types of threads but Id like to point out the fact that "MAXIMUMVELOCITY" is a AR Builder and therefor his rude negative comments are understandabale as he wants to sell rifles.

http://lonestararmory.net/

Bring one of your super AR's to a PRS Match Ill bring a GAP-10. "Im your Hucklebery" </div></div>

I'm sorry.....is this the comment that is supposed to be fired back at me for stating a logical and valid point of view?

All I said was that GAP10 is NOT the tell all be all rifle everyone makes it out to be. I never said I could do better or that I owned better. Folks have referenced in this thread that GAP10 is better than a cookie cutter rifle pieced together like "legos" with aftermarket parts and I strongly disagree. If you want to bash me by throwing a "call out" in my face about who is better or my personal interests then I guess it wasn't a friendly debate after all since I was so rude....lol </div></div>

Well I'm glad you respect my opinion and all but Im fairly sure for a DI gas gun the GAP10 would crush most semi autos in the accuracy department. I've seen them being built and its far more then slapping some shit together and turning a wrench there and adjusting a screw there.

They are precision made. With the right driver, lights out! Take George up on his offer if you are so confident in your setups vs the GAP10.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smschulz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actaully I DO know. But your sarcastic question demanded a sarcastic answer.</div></div> Sure but I haven't heard anything. </div></div>

Mike I think he likes you...

 

[montana3gunner]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

Doesn't it depend on your goal? What is your definition of accuracy? Is your goal to be a competitive shooter?

Is your definition of accuracy .5 MOA (or less)? Is that with one magic load or a variety of loads? Do you want a gun that will bang steel silhouettes at 700 yards or hit 10 inch plates at 900 yards at the ITRC (provided you do your part)? Are you capable of shooting .5 MOA (or less) in field conditions?

The answers to those questions, and other well-thought out questions from shooters with more experience than I...should help a fellow hide member make a decision like this.

Some years ago, I was new to competitive long range shooting (I had shot 3gun and def. pistol) and was enthralled by the "tactical" long range matches. I knew that I didn't want to waste a lot of time, effort and money during load development. I wanted a gun that would shoot a variety of loads well.

I bucked up and bought a GAP upper in .260. At the time, it was far more than I had ever spend on a gun (or half of one!) I was so glad I did. Within a year, I was competitive in my State's matches. I never had reliability problems unless I made a mistake with my loads.

For personal reasons, I just sold that upper. It took me a week to find a buyer. I have no doubt he'll be happy with it...and if he's not, GAP will take care of him. I bet he knows that and that's why he bought it. That is value.

If your personal goal is banging 10" plates at 500 yards (absolutely nothing wrong with that) you don't need a $2000 semi.

Best of luck to you and whatever your goal is. To everyone else...this has been one of the best threads ever.

 

[Mike]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smschulz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actaully I DO know. But your sarcastic question demanded a sarcastic answer.</div></div> Sure but I haven't heard anything. </div></div>

Mike I think he likes you...

</div></div>

Oh he heard me, he just isn't <span style="font-style: italic">listening.</span>

 

[KNIGHT11B4]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coryfls3vvt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hope you have Tons of time to wait like +4-6 mons...even after your gun is past due and they have your 2grand NF scope in hand they (GAP-10) still wont respond to an email asking on the status of the rifle you asked them to build. I know good things come to those whom can wait... but this GAP-10 has been promised since FEB 1......All i'm asking for is a simple how much longer is it going to take... nothing more....I'm not upset, i'm not pissed.. just a simple question. and just curious as to how much longer should i expect... i don't think that is too much to ask.... </div></div>

You sound kinda pissed. A more tactful approach to this will produce a better result.

 

[Bravo 1]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

Mike, 264charlie,

Well said.

Let the ones who think they can build a better mouse trap in their garage think what they want.

 

[glocksig40]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No you cannot build a GAP in your garage, yes you can build a sub-moa rifle using off the shelf parts.

Can you shoot sub moa is the real question. Most can't (I know I generally can't, 1.5MOA is about the best I can hold at distance).




</div></div>

This where I am as well on this subject. Ive assembled many AR varients. First questions I ask are what is the budget and what are you doing with it. 99% of the people are not precision shooters and wouldnt be able to shoot 1/2 MOA anyway. They shoot beer cans and skunks and just want a cool gun. They dont care what ammo they have as long as it feeds and shoots. They want "tacticool". I tell them to find a picture on the internet and bring it to me. I try and find parts to match the picture and budget. They buy the parts and I paint it up tacticool and help them assemble the parts. They are extremely happy with it and thats what matters.
In the case of the OP, I assume if you are on this forum asking about building a rifle vs buying a GAP rifle , you want precision accuracy and will be buying high quality ammo or loading ammo specifically for the rifle. You can buy quality parts and build a quality rifle that has the capability of shooting better than you. Take your gunroom assembled rifle and put it in the hands of a top shooter and he will shoot it well. Take the same shooter with a custom built rifle and he will make it look better most of the time. Question is......Are you a good enough shooter to display the difference between the GAP and the gunroom assembled rifle? If I build or buy a rifle, I dont buy it with the resell price in mind. If Im buying it to resell, It will be a basement price to start with. You need to do what makes you happy. If you want to shoot beer cans and skunks and show it off to your friends, build it cheap. If you want to stay in a budget under the GAP but want to shoot build it. If you have the money to buy the GAP and feel its worth the extra money buy it. If your shooting ability exceeds the mechanics of a build, buy it. Whatever you do, build or buy what makes you happy and meets your needs. In order to get the value from either, you have to go shoot it and not just take pictures of it next to the pool.

SP

 

[81STFACP]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LRRPF52</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">I shot a 9.25" group with it on Friday at 1000yds with the 130gr VLD's off the bipod resting on the tailgate of my truck, while laying in the truck bed. I had shifting and light changes in the wind conditions, but held the same POA.</span> </div></div>

Just curious, how much shifting wind value changes you had and still shot inside MOA at 1K with the same POA?

 

[BCP]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bravo 1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Let the ones who think they can build a better mouse trap in their garage think what they want.
</div></div>

I don't think anyone in this thread has said that.