GAP-10 vs building

[Bravo 1]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bravo 1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Let the ones who think they can build a better mouse trap in their garage think what they want.
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I don't think anyone in this thread has said that. </div></div>

I do but that of course is my opinion. This is the exact reason I don't post much.

In my 60 years on this earth I have learned one thing.... Don't expect much and you won't be disappointed.

 

[tomahawk84]

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Anyone can throw together a 1.5-2moa gun these days, it's not to hard but I would venture to say that the GAP 10 is as good as it gets when you're looking for a precision AR gas .308 style rifle.

I already said, if you can afford it the GAP 10 is the way to go, otherwise build one for less. I built my own, but if i had more cash would have got the GAP 10 in a heart beat. make a decision let us know how it goes.

 

[264Charlie]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 81STFACP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LRRPF52</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">I shot a 9.25" group with it on Friday at 1000yds with the 130gr VLD's off the bipod resting on the tailgate of my truck, while laying in the truck bed. I had shifting and light changes in the wind conditions, but held the same POA.</span> </div></div>

Just curious, how much shifting wind value changes you had and still shot inside MOA at 1K with the same POA? </div></div>

Well, 1MPH will move a bullet 11 to 15" on target with a 130 depending on load and DA. So I would say he had less that a .8MPH shift during the group if he held the same POA and this really happened.

 

[aard3]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

If you want the experience of building the rifle, then build it.

If you want something that is going to be a shooter right out the box with no fuss, then buy the GAP10.

I personally wouldn't "build" a rifle to save money...IMHO you'll either end up with a sub-par rifle, or you spend a lot more than if you had just bought it.

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bravo 1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In my 60 years on this earth I have learned one thing.... Don't expect much and you won't be disappointed. </div></div>

Really? Must be a very uneventful life because if you never expect anything positive how do you ever do anything positive except by random chance?

 

[Matt.Cross]

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Home built 308 AR, all aftermarket parts, no custom fitting, simply put together lego-style:

I'm no expert, I'm barely even a beginner. Total cost of this accuracy, $2200. That is 5 shots, by the way. I feel confident that an expert would have no trouble keeping it under .5 MOA.

 

[Chainsmoker]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stacyp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No you cannot build a GAP in your garage, yes you can build a sub-moa rifle using off the shelf parts.

Can you shoot sub moa is the real question. Most can't (I know I generally can't, 1.5MOA is about the best I can hold at distance).




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This where I am as well on this subject. Ive assembled many AR varients. First questions I ask are what is the budget and what are you doing with it. 99% of the people are not precision shooters and wouldnt be able to shoot 1/2 MOA anyway. They shoot beer cans and skunks and just want a cool gun. They dont care what ammo they have as long as it feeds and shoots. They want "tacticool". I tell them to find a picture on the internet and bring it to me. I try and find parts to match the picture and budget. They buy the parts and I paint it up tacticool and help them assemble the parts. They are extremely happy with it and thats what matters.
In the case of the OP, I assume if you are on this forum asking about building a rifle vs buying a GAP rifle , you want precision accuracy and will be buying high quality ammo or loading ammo specifically for the rifle. You can buy quality parts and build a quality rifle that has the capability of shooting better than you. Take your gunroom assembled rifle and put it in the hands of a top shooter and he will shoot it well. Take the same shooter with a custom built rifle and he will make it look better most of the time. Question is......Are you a good enough shooter to display the difference between the GAP and the gunroom assembled rifle? If I build or buy a rifle, I dont buy it with the resell price in mind. If Im buying it to resell, It will be a basement price to start with. You need to do what makes you happy. If you want to shoot beer cans and skunks and show it off to your friends, build it cheap. If you want to stay in a budget under the GAP but want to shoot build it. If you have the money to buy the GAP and feel its worth the extra money buy it. If your shooting ability exceeds the mechanics of a build, buy it. Whatever you do, build or buy what makes you happy and meets your needs. In order to get the value from either, you have to go shoot it and not just take pictures of it next to the pool.

SP </div></div>

To be honest I can't shoot 3/4 moa most the time maybe on a good day maybe. iam still very new to precision shooting but I want to learn. My thoughts were for starting i would be well served getting a good platform to begin with. So as far as my goals well at this point is to bang on steel at 600-1000 yards and learn to drive the rifle the best I can with maybe one day trying may hand at some competive shooting

 

[A10XRIFLE]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coryfls3vvt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hope you have Tons of time to wait like +4-6 mons...even after your gun is past due and they have your 2grand NF scope in hand they (GAP-10) still wont respond to an email asking on the status of the rifle you asked them to build. I know good things come to those whom can wait... but this GAP-10 has been promised since FEB 1......All i'm asking for is a simple how much longer is it going to take... nothing more....I'm not upset, i'm not pissed.. just a simple question. and just curious as to how much longer should i expect... i don't think that is too much to ask.... </div></div>

You sound kinda pissed. A more tactful approach to this will produce a better result.</div></div>


we are waiting on Charging handles there are about 20-25 rifles done except for missing a charging handle as soon as they arrive they will all be ready to ship. I can only assume one of these is yours. I just checked with Ken and Dustin they have called back everyone in their boxes that left a message? Did you leave a message when you called?

 

[A10XRIFLE]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Matt.Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Home built 308 AR, all aftermarket parts, no custom fitting, simply put together lego-style:

I'm no expert, I'm barely even a beginner. Total cost of this accuracy, $2200. That is 5 shots, by the way. I feel confident that an expert would have no trouble keeping it under .5 MOA. </div></div>

Nice, you got a good one there

 

[Matt.Cross]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Nice, you got a good one there
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I appreciate that very much. It's no GAP-10, but it's the best I could do under the circumstances.

 

[tomahawk84]

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With the GAP you are getting support from GAP and a guarantee. worth it to some not to others. Thats a great looking build! <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Matt.Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Nice, you got a good one there
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I appreciate that very much. It's no GAP-10, but it's the best I could do under the circumstances.

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[tomthebaker]

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I am picking up a lightly used 20" GAP-10 upper for my POF lower, in about a week or so.

Can't wait!

 

[iyaoyas]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tomthebaker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am picking up a lightly used 20" GAP-10 upper for my POF lower, in about a week or so.

Can't wait!</div></div>

Lucky you! I am in need of the complete lower for mine to be complete. Wish I could find a GAP10 lower, however I doubt that will ever happen.

 

[Raptorx]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264Charlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chainsmoker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's what gets me ar's are like Lego as long as you put the right parts in it they should shoot just as well right? what's the difference from me buying all similair parts gap uses with a Krieger or bartlein barrel and putting it together properly? In theory it should shoot just as well as the gap correct or is there other things gap does to a accurize their builds? I to understand the resell would be much lower as it won't have a recognizable smith attached to it. </div></div>

Who is going to chamber the barrel? BIG f-ing difference between a GAP chamber and some CNC chambering job. You will also notice a big difference in how the rifle preforms as a system. Tying to explain this to someone that has not shot a lot of matches is hard to do. Go look at the PRS matches most guys are shooting Surgeon and GAP rifles. We don't do it because we like paying more money. We shoot them because they are what works simple as that. You can self justify parting together something all you want. I am sure you will find 500 internet snipers to support you bright move. On the other hand you can listen to people that shoot. Your call but you will find many of us don't post much because we get sick of the BS. </div></div>

I think anyone spending money on a Krieger or Bartlein barrel is going to have it chambered by the barrel maker. I know I would. That being the case the are also going to match it to your bolt and headspace it properly. After that's done I wonder what magic does a brand name rifle offer over this? I have built rifles and I have brand name rifles and beside potential resale value, I can't tell the difference behind the trigger. Then again I'm not an expert marksman. I know all my rifles shoot better then I do.

 

[Mike]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RaptorX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think anyone spending money on a Krieger or Bartlein barrel is going to have it chambered by the barrel maker. I know I would. That being the case the are also going to match it to your bolt and headspace it properly. After that's done I wonder what magic does a brand name rifle offer over this? I have built rifles and I have brand name rifles and beside potential resale value, I can't tell the difference behind the trigger. Then again I'm not an expert marksman. I know all my rifles shoot better then I do.</div></div>

So I guess once the barrel is chambered, everything else is irrelevant? All builds are equal after the barrel is chambered?

 

[Raptorx]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So I guess once the barrel is chambered, everything else is irrelevant? All builds are equal after the barrel is chambered? </div></div>

Of course quality fit and finish matter, but 99% of your accuracy comes from the barrel and trigger. The rest is just ergonomics.

 

[Rob01]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RaptorX</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So I guess once the barrel is chambered, everything else is irrelevant? All builds are equal after the barrel is chambered? </div></div>

Of course quality fit and finish matter, but 99% of your accuracy comes from [<span style="font-weight: bold">a properly installed</span>] barrel and trigger. The rest is just ergonomics.</div></div>

Fixed it. A quality barrel doesn't mean dick if it's not properly installed.

 

[poison123]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RaptorX</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So I guess once the barrel is chambered, everything else is irrelevant? All builds are equal after the barrel is chambered? </div></div>

Of course quality fit and finish matter, but 99% of your accuracy comes from the barrel and trigger. The rest is just ergonomics. </div></div>

I'll take GAPs chamber(which they usually have several of) over just about anybody else's. I've seen first hand the difference....one smiths chamber on here was so blown out you had to put some real muscle into press to get your brass sized.....and it'll be no where near book spec after that.

 

[cypriss32]

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Im gona add a little to stir up the pot here..... I have owned alot of GAs, LSRs, PAI, exc..... When it comes to semi autos I know this(for my atleast)- I dont buy them to shoot little itty bitty groups at paper. I enjoy shooting them at reactive targets, and using them for hunting. I have an AR10 with all armalight parts in it, and it shoots fine. To me its not worth spending 2-3k on any semi auto rifle. I would rather buy a nice scope and use one of my bolt guns to shoot instead.....
So this is what I say-
Builders- build away if your happy with your rifle, WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT ALL THESE PEOPLE SAY! Its yours right?
Buyers- Keep buying, WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT ALL THESE PEOPLE SAY! Its yours right?


Enough said.........

 

[Raptorx]

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While I have no doubt GAP has nice rifles. I do doubt that they can chamber a barrel better then the manufacturer of the barrel. If they had the tooling and expertise to do that they would be using their own barrels. I was recently in the market for a .308 and GAP was at the top of my list followed closely by Larue. If it wasn't for the wait I would have pulled the trigger on them, but I wanted something sooner. I decided to build. I'm just waiting on my Mega lower/upper set which will be her at the end of the week and my build will start. We'll see how my lego rifle performs soon enough.

 

[Raptorx]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RaptorX</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So I guess once the barrel is chambered, everything else is irrelevant? All builds are equal after the barrel is chambered? </div></div>

Of course quality fit and finish matter, but 99% of your accuracy comes from [<span style="font-weight: bold">a properly installed</span>] barrel and trigger. The rest is just ergonomics.</div></div>

Fixed it. A quality barrel doesn't mean dick if it's not properly installed. </div></div>

So what magic tricks do you have? Please share. How much skill does it take to line up a pin and torque a barrel nut properly?? Something has to be out of spec to screw this up.

 

[Rob01]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RaptorX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While I have no doubt GAP has nice rifles. I do doubt that they can chamber a barrel better then the manufacturer of the barrel. If they had the tooling and expertise to do that they would be using their own barrels.</div></div>

That statement there shows me where you're coming from so I'm done.

 

[montana3gunner]

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My GAP upper in .260 made me competitive against very nice bolt guns, shot by some very good shooters. They were surprised that a semi could shoot that well. Keep in mind, These were tactical matches not benchrest.

Only one bolt gun ever beat me in the years I competed with that upper..sonny Stewart beat me one day with his Larue OBR. He beat everyone that day. I am pretty sure he is the only semi shooter to win that match. And although I was competitive, I couldnt manage to win.

There are other gun makers besides GAP that make good guns. JP (have a CR02 in 5.56, great gun) and Larue to name a couple. However, in my experience, on average, none of them are any better than GAP. Nor are they any cheeper.

I got great service from GAP, including George. Seriously, you post a complaint (question, whatever) and George answers. You don't see tons of that around the gun biz.

Build one on your own and run into problems...and you are on you own. I've seen more than one $1800 homebuilt gun run into problems with the new owner ready to throw it out the window.

I have several homebuilt, and one GAP, one JP. None of the homebuilts can compete with the GAP and the JP.

 

[smschulz]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Next will you say that we can piece together a car from Napa Auto Parts and it will run in NASCAR? </div></div>

Excellent Mike!
If he then steals Tiger Woods precision custom clubs out of his trunk then he will have a real shot at the Masters.
I like your logic.

 

[Matt.Cross]

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I disagree that you are on your own as a home builder. There are knowledgeable AR builders who are happy to help you get any wrinkles ironed out of a home build. What does it cost to ask someone a question? Nothing. I simply do not buy into the idea that a home build cannot rival a commercial product. Home builds are not any more created equal than commercial builds are.

 

[SFC Carpentier jr]

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MAN has this topic taken off. If you just want to build your onw AR and not buy a GAP-10, then go for it. To each his own. Good luck with the project. I myself had GAP work over my DPMS AR-10. Once they got done with it I was able to shoot 1/2 MOA with handloads. It was a lot better then before I sent it to them. Before I really had to work to get it to shoot 3/4 moa and once I put my can on it, forget it. I was luck to get 1 1/2 moa.

Drive on brother. Lets hope you are able to build a good AR.

 

[AHorn]

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I can't believe this converstion is going on!!


GO GAP BE DONE WITH IT!!

 

[Graham]

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RaptorX, you've got some of the most experienced guys in the country trying - real hard - to give you good advice. What's your goal in lecturing them instead of listening to them?

 

[Bravo 1]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bravo 1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In my 60 years on this earth I have learned one thing.... Don't expect much and you won't be disappointed. </div></div>

Really? Must be a very uneventful life because if you never expect anything positive how do you ever do anything positive except by random chance? </div></div>

No I have had a pretty eventful life and am very happy that the Good LORD saw fit to bless me the way HE has however I don't expect anything positive from man. You see or maybe you don't where we are as a nation don't you ?

I am sorry I am off the subject line so like Rob01 said....

I'm done.

 

[A10XRIFLE]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RaptorX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While I have no doubt GAP has nice rifles. I do doubt that they can chamber a barrel better then the manufacturer of the barrel. If they had the tooling and expertise to do that they would be using their own barrels. I was recently in the market for a .308 and GAP was at the top of my list followed closely by Larue. If it wasn't for the wait I would have pulled the trigger on them, but I wanted something sooner. I decided to build. I'm just waiting on my Mega lower/upper set which will be her at the end of the week and my build will start. We'll see how my lego rifle performs soon enough.</div></div>

Do yourself a fovor, call Bartlein Barrels tomorro and ask Tracey Bartlein, Frank Green and Brian Brutus who chambered their AR-10's for them.

Then come back on here and tell everybody

 

[Graham]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... call Bartlein Barrels tomorro and ask Tracey Bartlein, Frank Green and Brian Brutus who chambered their AR-10's for them.</div></div>Uh Oh: Busted!

 

[Jmilera]

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I don't care to build my own, but my GAP 10 is like a rifle with titts.

 

[Raptorx]

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Who's lecturing? I made a statement based on some of the posts I seen here bashing home builds. Do I care who chambers barrels for Bartlein, no not really. Do I think I can build a rifle better then GAP...No, as I Already stated GAP would have had my money if the waits wern't so long. I just decided I didn't want to wait. That's the only reason for me for building my own. I own brand name rifles and have played the waiting game before. I just didn't want to this time around. I contacted GAP and thought customer service was great but I was quoted 6-12 weeks on production. I have found that usually means 12+ and with other companies once they have your order they are less then forthcoming on a delivery date, once you start calling to ask where your rifle is. I have not delt with GAP so i'm not saying this how they are but other big names are absolutly like that.

 

[Brutas]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RaptorX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I think anyone spending money on a Krieger or Bartlein barrel is going to have it chambered by the barrel maker. I know I would. That being the case the are also going to match it to your bolt and headspace it properly. After that's done I wonder what magic does a brand name rifle offer over this? I have built rifles and I have brand name rifles and beside potential resale value, I can't tell the difference behind the trigger. Then again I'm not an expert marksman. I know all my rifles shoot better then I do. </div></div>

Bartlein Barrels does not manufacture ANY "drop-in" AR barrels. We sell GA Precision barrel blanks. The barrels that GAP installs on the their GAP-10's leave here as a Remington Varmint/Sendero contour with a 1.0" longer breech. All of the work required to transform a barrel blank in AR-10 type barrel is performed by GA Precision

 

[KYS]

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Like I said earlier......

This isn't something you can just slap together. This is HAND fit and machined equipment. You can't get these tolerances at home.

 

[VJJPunisher]

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i'd suck off a moose on national TV for a GAP-10, jus sayin

 

[TRON]

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Shit I need to pop some more popcorn!

 

[Judd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i'd suck off a moose on national TV for a GAP-10, jus sayin </div></div>

HAHAHA, that is HILARIOUS! Wonder if GAP can use that in a testimony page

 

[Inogame]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i'd suck off a moose on national TV for a GAP-10, jus sayin </div></div>

I'm willing to chip in on making this happen.

I pledge $100 on this.

 

[BCP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chainsmoker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
To be honest I can't shoot 3/4 moa most the time maybe on a good day maybe. iam still very new to precision shooting but I want to learn. My thoughts were for starting i would be well served getting a good platform to begin with. So as far as my goals well at this point is to bang on steel at 600-1000 yards and learn to drive the rifle the best I can with maybe one day trying may hand at some competive shooting </div></div>

Honestly you can build a rifle in your garage that is more accurate than you are. It isn't difficult (building a high-tolerance precision rifle like a GAP is though). Also, unless you buy a defective one most rifles on the market will fit that criteria as well with good ammunition. However, if you can afford a top-tier factory rifle I would get that instead (the reason I build for myself is because I generally cannot afford the factory rifles that have the options I want). Just keep in mind that you'll also want optics, accessories like bipods/sandbags/GOOD spotting scope if you don't have one and of course ammunition.

As a side note if you are 'new to precision shooting' a bolt gun is a much more economical/easier to learn on platform than a semi.

 

[BCP]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Inogame</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i'd suck off a moose on national TV for a GAP-10, jus sayin </div></div>

I'm willing to chip in on making this happen.

I pledge $100 on this. </div></div>

I got 20$.

 

[Pusher591]

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$20 here and as little as my opinion will probably be valued, I think you can build a gun at home that can shoot with/just as good as a GAP 10, I know becuase I've done it. Was it as nice or look/fit as well as a GAP 10? No

The craftsmanship you recieve when you have a company like GAP build it for you is WELL worth the extra money in my opinion.

After years of building "lego" builds with AR15's, it's very tough to get parts that are consistent and mate well together, even from the same manufacturer. If GA precision can do that then, (the GAP10 has proven they can) they will/can corner the market with the precision AR.

 

[Veer_G]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Inogame</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i'd suck off a moose on national TV for a GAP-10, jus sayin </div></div>

I'm willing to chip in on making this happen.

I pledge $100 on this. </div></div>

I got 20$. </div></div>

Every man must one day face down his own <span style="font-style: italic">bhut jolokia</span> ...

 

[harrisjl]

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I'm not a patient person by nature, and I have a pet peeve about timeframe commitments made and not being kept.

But in the precision gun world it seems the only thing you can do is get in line and wait for them to actually get done (or seethe over it and accomplish nothing).

I'm currently at twice the quoted timeframe for my gap-10, but from past work its going to be a nice rifle when it gets here, I certainly couldn't do anything close with a box of parts and a wrench.

 

[JSF]

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I understand it is hard, but be patient. My GAP-10 will run right along side the custom bolt guns all day long. I got one in 6.5 creedmoor and could not be more pleased with it.

 

[harrisjl]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

I'm not going anywhere, Larue is the only gunbuilder I've ever almost cancelled an order on because they wouldn't deliver the ordered gun (or talk about when it could be expected..which was worse).

Like I said, seems all the good smiths are this way, after I got my first GAP I gave my next build to a different smith, 60-90 days turned into 6 months. Friend of mine said recently an associate received a competition pistol after *5 years*

(I'm more troubled that my most accessible range is closing (maintenance) for 2 weeks right before I leave for vacation right after. If I don't get the gap-10 next week I cant say for sure when I'll get to shoot it).

 

[taseal]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

I'm looking into a gap10 or a pws mk214

the pws can be found at a vendor, but gap10 has to be built.

And I read here someone has been waiting twice the timeframe hey were given. What kind of timeframe are we talking about?

I don't mind waiting a month maybe 2 for one but having 2 guns built already it always took longer.

I'm assuming it's closer to a 6 month wait for a gap10?

 

[-Nick-]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

It's only been taking 2-3 months...

 

[harrisjl]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

I said I've been waiting twice the original. But that was for "about a month " which even then I didn't think was realistic. It's been 14 weeks now. But a good bit of that has been waiting for the unobtanium charging handles they forgot to order to show up. (aka why didn't I offer to send a pri gas block and gas buster when I asked a month+ ago).

I know George posted in the bolt gun forum 1-3 months.

 

[taseal]

Re: GAP-10 vs building

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's only been taking 2-3 months...
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I could live with that