GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

[tychin02]

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Just ordered my GAP 10 the other week!! Can't sit still, as I've only heard great things... Been on the hide everyday since deciding on optics and cartridges.


Like a kid waiting for Santa...

 

[dingoding]

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I know the feeling. I feel sorry for Dustin at GAP. I tried not to, but I bugged the crap out of him. Got anticipation withdrawal so bad, I ordered a bolt gun from them too. Now I get to do it all over again for the estimated 12 month build time! You won't be dissapointed.

 

[Gray]

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GAP-10

 

[tychin02]

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Hahaha... I did the same thing... Even though I knew it would take 8 months to build, I HAD to order it ASAP...

Sorry Dustin!!

I'll post the pics as soon as I get the rifle...

 

[jheat308]

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Gap hands down

 

[BrianSoCal]

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I just received an Armalite upper that Dustin built for me and he was very patient with my numerous questions both at the time I placed the order and when it was shipped out to me. The customer service from Dustin and the rest of the group at GA Precision was great.
Brian

 

[tylerw02]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP-10 </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WildBill3/75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After a lot of researching I decided to just build the ar myself to get exactly what I want....and decided for my use I'd be better off building an ar-15 chambered in 6.5grendel....mabe if I move somewhere where I have access to shoot further I'll contemplate building a 6.5creedmoor ar-10.

This is what my build looks like sofar, *parts have not been ordered yet.

Mega Arms monolithic rifle length ar-15 upper
Seekins Precision Billet lower
geissele DMR trigger*
20" Lothar Walther SS fluted bull barrel 1:9 twist chambered in 6.5grendel
BravoCompany BCG
Magpul PRS stock
Magpul MIAD grip
Harris HBRMS bipods
Leupold Mk 4. LR/T TMR M1(I like baselines) 4.5-14 x 40mm* W/leupold mk4 scope rings.*(as long as they arn't cutting out the center of the reticle like on the m110's, if so I'm getting diffrent glass) </div></div>

 

[Sierra]

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I do not think you could go wrong with either one. The only GAP AR10 that I have ever laid eyes on had some malfunction issues and went back to GAP for repair. Not sure what the final outcome was for my buddy. With that said, I bought a LaRue.

 

[Reid Rothchild]

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I went with Larue. From the time I ordered it to the time I received it was only a few weeks. Maybe I just got lucky

 

[tychin02]

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There's a reason why the wait is so long with GAP 10's. They make quality rifles and people want them.

 

[K_4c]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tychin02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's a reason why the wait is so long with GAP 10's. They make quality rifles and people want them. </div></div>

same could be said with any quality smith/said rifle (including Larue).

 

[TheLion]

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LaRue hands down.

 

[TractusArms]

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Haven't had any experience with GA Precision, but Larue has always been good to deal with!

 

[KYS]

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If you are going for most accurate..... and I have tested this first hand with another person present:

GAP10 is most accurate from shot to shot.

 

[tylerw02]

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One example or multiple examples of each? Test them both with a variety of ammo?


I find it really disheartening when somebody claims X production gun is more accurate than Y because they "tested" them side by side. I've had two identical models of a rifle and they both shot differently with the same ammo. So could I test one of those two vs a single like rifle of a different make and make a broad accuracy generalization? Nope.

The OP picked a rifle already.

 

[Rob01]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sierra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not think you could go wrong with either one. The only GAP AR10 that I have ever laid eyes on had some malfunction issues and went back to GAP for repair. Not sure what the final outcome was for my buddy. With that said, I bought a LaRue.</div></div>

The GAP 10 and GAP AR10s are not the same rifles. Just to clarify for you and other readers.

 

[Guy Montag]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sierra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not think you could go wrong with either one. The only GAP AR10 that I have ever laid eyes on had some malfunction issues and went back to GAP for repair. Not sure what the final outcome was for my buddy. With that said, I bought a LaRue.</div></div>

The GAP 10 and GAP AR10s are not the same rifles. Just to clarify for you and other readers. </div></div>

Rob, how exactly do they differ?

 

[tylerw02]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sierra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not think you could go wrong with either one. The only GAP AR10 that I have ever laid eyes on had some malfunction issues and went back to GAP for repair. Not sure what the final outcome was for my buddy. With that said, I bought a LaRue.</div></div>

The GAP 10 and GAP AR10s are not the same rifles. Just to clarify for you and other readers. </div></div>

Rob, how exactly do they differ? </div></div>

I'm not Rob, but they aren't built on an AR-10 upper/lower. They are built on a POF lower with upper/handguard combo. I believe the GAP-10 also has a barrel made from a Bartlein blank. AR10 lowers use Armalite AR-10 magazines, while the GAP-10 uses SR-25/DPMS pattern magazines.

 

[Guy Montag]

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Thanks for the explanation Tyler, I'd thought all the GAPs were POF based, good to know the differences.

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

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No gap built me a ar10 a couple years ago off a diferent set of receivers and rail, sold that one and got a gap10

 

[tylerw02]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the explanation Tyler, I'd thought all the GAPs were POF based, good to know the differences. </div></div>

No problem. I'm pretty sure all their current production rifles are off the POF sets now. They used to use AR10 and I think even DPMS sets.

 

[hk dave]

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I had a choice between the two and went with the OBR.

It's an amazing weapons system. Couldn't be happier.

Having said that... when I have the funds, I'll probably be picking up the GAP-10.

 

[5RWill]

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GAP 10 for me with no hesitation. Just my preference.

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One example or multiple examples of each? Test them both with a variety of ammo?


I find it really disheartening when somebody claims X production gun is more accurate than Y because they "tested" them side by side. I've had two identical models of a rifle and they both shot differently with the same ammo. So could I test one of those two vs a single like rifle of a different make and make a broad accuracy generalization? Nope.

The OP picked a rifle already. </div></div>

I've put plenty of rounds thru a GAP10 and seen the same and different ammo ran thru an OBR with less then stellar results. Your results my vary but those are my experiences. If you are "tired of it"... I could give two shits about what you are tired of!

 

[K_4c]

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To each their own men....

can't go wrong with either....

I'll be inline to purchase a Gap when they use different upper/lower combos... I'd love to see Seekins offer an ar-10 platform with Gaps handy work and a Rock "stacked nickels" barrel.

My preference

 

[tylerw02]

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So shooting one example of each makes it a fact? Anecdotal evidence....

Thats my point.

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So shooting one example of each makes it a fact? Anecdotal evidence....

Thats my point. </div></div>

KY shoots probably more in a month than most do in a year. He doesn't go around posting random unsubstantiated conclusions. He also has owned more platforms than probably mos of the posters here combined, so you expecting him to furnish you some sort of detail isn't probably top on his priority list. Besides, you're not one to talk when you're not furnishing any information or evidence to the contrary. Also, all information here is Anecdotal unless you can show me a study of 100's of each platform all being tested under similar conditions with the same level of shooting proficiency behind each one.

 

[tylerw02]

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That's all good and well. I'm simply pointing out that it's foolish to say one is "most accurate" with a limited sample.

I'm not furnishing anything? NOBODY is furnishing anything. Just like the existing challenge for the guys that claim their Savages shoot "half MOA all day long", it's all anecdotal.

I'm not doubting KY's shooting ability at all. I'm sure he's a fantastic shooter and has several fine rifles. What I'm doubting is that shooting one example of each can provide a definitive answer as to which is most accurate across the board. Per your own admission, we can't say one is more accurate across th board, rather we can talk about the samples we've experienced. Thanks for your contribution and reaffirming my conclusion, Broker.

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's all good and well. I'm simply pointing out that it's foolish to say one is "most accurate" with a limited sample.

I'm not furnishing anything? NOBODY is furnishing anything. Just like the existing challenge for the guys that claim their Savages shoot "half MOA all day long", it's all anecdotal.

I'm not doubting KY's shooting ability at all. I'm sure he's a fantastic shooter and has several fine rifles. What I'm doubting is that shooting one example of each can provide a definitive answer as to which is most accurate across the board. Per your own admission, we can't say one is more accurate across th board, rather we can talk about the samples we've experienced. Thanks for your contribution and reaffirming my conclusion, Broker. </div></div>

I dont think anyone here can afford to haul in 30 rifles from each manufacturer and start shooting them. I have had two uppers for the GAP10 and OBR's in 16, 18, and 20" lengths. The OBR's are gone and the GAP10 remains in the safe. So what does that tell you? You are expecting and asking for things that are not even possible by your average joe citizen.

I will put this 6mm Creedmoor GAP10 up against any AR10 out there in the accuracy department. It will rival most bolt guns as well. Im not hating on Larue, I just don't think accuracy wise they can hang with the GAP10.

 

[tylerw02]

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Im not expecting anything, just suggesting we keep things in context.

How did your OBRs shoot?

You mention 6 CM...to me, that's one of the best reasons to go GAP.

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im not expecting anything, just suggesting we keep things in context.

How did your OBRs shoot?

You mention 6 CM...to me, that's one of the best reasons to go GAP. </div></div>

The OBR was an 18" gun that belonged to a close friend. He is a more then capable shooter and he came down for a weekend. We shot Friday-Sunday and spent a lot of rounds on both platforms. The OBR shot well, but it just didnt hold groups as tight as the 18" GAP10 in 308 that I was running. He bought the additional upper and I also had a 16" upper. I made the switch to 6CM and have not regretted it at all. The Copper Creek ammo running thru it was amazing, never had one failure.

Same friend wanted to sell it and go back to a custom bolt gun so I took the rifle off his hands for a fair price and ran it as a hunting gun. I took it on a pig hunt about 3 hours north of Naples, FL.... it jammed and it would light strike a few of my Black Hills 175gr loads. Was not happy about that.

It's all personal preference and for me the GAP10 just handles and groups better.

 

[bogeybrown]

For what it's worth, I attented the first civilian Accuracy First long-range course back in Oct 2012 and I was the ONLY shooter with a bolt action .308. Every other .308 shooter was on an OBR 16" and they had NO issues out past 1K on Accuracy 1st and Larue steel targets. The instructor was a 30yr SF sniper vet who gets freebies from basically everyone in the industry and is totally sold on the Larue. As soon as my OBR comes in I'll likely be selling my custom bolt gun. That being said, I've yet to hear a negative on GAP, so I think it would come down to personal preference since either of them will outshoot some very expensive bolt actions.

 

[s002wjh]

i thought larue offer some half moa similar gaurantee?

 

[J Mack]

i thought larue offer some half moa similar gaurantee?

From LaRue: Accuracy: Average size of a 5-shot group, expressed in Minutes of Angle (MOA) less than 1 MOA (approx)

Both of mine shoot less than 1MOA but not less than 1/2 MOA YMMV.

 

[Razor74]

wtf is the point of the fluted chamber?

weight savings? does it help with the casing not rotate which leads to better accuracy? I have no idea....

also, wouldn't it ruin the brass which makes it impossible to reload it?

would you shoot lapua brass out of your OBR for this reason?

H&K has been using fluted chambers for years, the main reason for the flutes is some of the gas goes back thru the flutes and helps to float the brass out of the chamber to help with extraction, but it can be hard on brass in some guns. I have shot some that did not hurt the brass at all and some that destroyed the brass, but that may be more a case of loading the rounds to the max causing more pressure in the chamber.

 

[Siso]

Bogybrown how many 16" OBRs were at Accuracy 1st? I've been deciding between a 16" and 18" and find it interesting that there was nothing over 16". Did anyone speak to as why there were only 16 inchers?

 

[RED]

I had the fortune of running an OBR at Gastonia and Ft. Benning this past November. It was consistantly a one hole gun, running 1/2-1/4 moa without fail. We were reloading lapua brass that had been through the fluted chamber with no difficulties, it just made a cool color design on the brass. I had complete confidence in the weapon and did not want to give it back to Tom when the comp was over. I ran a POF there in 2010 and it was a fine weapon but not in the same catigory for accuracy. That being said Iv never handled the GAP ( lots of there bolt guns, most of which are lasers) but I know George makes a quality weapon and everyone here loves there's. I don't think you'll fine someone who ones either and is disappointed. Hope that helps.

 

[Falsecrack]

I went with the OBR heavy. After doing all the research that one tends to do before investing their hard earned money into a precision gas gun (from LWRC to LMT and everything in between), i'll be the first to admit that I chose the OBR because i found it the most aesthetically appealing. I figured since there are so many great contenders out there, i might as well buy the one i think is the neatest looking. However, with that said, my next rifle will be a GAP Crusader.

 

[lte82]

My buddy ordered and paid for an OBR 10 months ago and still doesn't have it. I'm sure it's a nice shooting gun, err, or it will be, some day. Until then, I'm going to keep inviting him to the range and end with "oh wait, you are still waiting for your OBR, maybe next month". He really hates it when I do that.

 

[VJJPunisher]

F&D????????????????

 

[Falsecrack]

My buddy ordered and paid for an OBR 10 months ago and still doesn't have it. I'm sure it's a nice shooting gun, err, or it will be, some day. Until then, I'm going to keep inviting him to the range and end with "oh wait, you are still waiting for your OBR, maybe next month". He really hates it when I do that.

Ha! You sound like one of my friends. (I waited 8 months for mine)

 

[bohica17]

I have not owned either. BUT I would go with the GAP-10 im stationed at Ft. Bragg, lot's of the cool guy's on post had Larue OBR and all im hearing lately is why they got rid of them for there personal gun's and the problem's they had. Only bad thing with the GAP is the 10 month wait time. But on the other hand it will be damn worth the wait.

Sorry for the mis type fixed it now.

 

[rukwikenuf]

i'd go GAP-10, just because i've never handled an OBR, and i wasn't overly impressed with the PredatAR i did shoot. the GAP-10 though, i blasted 100 rounds through one yesterday, and out to 600 yards i was averaging 1/2 MOA, and i'm not a trained shooter! it was EASY to hold a 4" group at 600. the guy i was shooting with (who owns the rifle) was getting 3" at 600. the rifle was wearing a PRS stock (of course) and a Nightforce 3-15x50 NXS scope. i think the trigger was a Timney, i can't remember though. it also had a Titan Brake installed by GA. it's one helluva gun. he and i are in agreement that when he's got more trigger time (and probably some coaching) under his belt, it'll be closer to .25 MOA
i forgot to add, that GAP-10 is also a 20" model. on a Harris Bipod with some sort of monopod, i'm not sure what one.

 

[Shooter0311]

As a lot of others; I think they are both good rifles. I personally cancelled my OBR and put a GAP10 on order.

 

[Skyyr]

As much as it pains me to say it, I'd go with the OBR. In the long run, you'll find it easier to maintain and upgrade due to the fact they went a more standardized route with their configuration.

Now if accuracy is all you care about, find out which one shoots your favorite round the best and go from there.

 

[bogeybrown]

I think there were 5 of the OBRs in 16", I was using an 18" bolt action 308, one guy had a bolt 300WM, and one had a Sako TRGin 260 (that guy switched to a TRG in 338 for the mile shot). We didn't have a formal discussion about the choice of 16", but the general comments were that the 16 was still a usable carry length, even with a can attached, and there wasn't a huge jump in performance to 18". If I remember correctly from the MagPul precision rifle video, Travis is also shooting the 16". What was interesting was that despite the 2" difference from my rifle to theirs, we used the same starting values for muzzle velocity and BC when we set up our ballistic computers and there was VERY little difference as we "trued" the ballistics to our actual rifles. Also, if I remember correctly, Todd Hodnett from Accuracy 1st said that they'd found 16" to be the ideal length for a 308. All that being said, we were NOT shooting for groups we were shooting for hits on steel out to 1200+yds (not counting the mile shot which was more of a novelty).

 

[Dutch405]

I think there were 5 of the OBRs in 16", I was using an 18" bolt action 308, one guy had a bolt 300WM, and one had a Sako TRGin 260 (that guy switched to a TRG in 338 for the mile shot). We didn't have a formal discussion about the choice of 16", but the general comments were that the 16 was still a usable carry length, even with a can attached, and there wasn't a huge jump in performance to 18". If I remember correctly from the MagPul precision rifle video, Travis is also shooting the 16". What was interesting was that despite the 2" difference from my rifle to theirs, we used the same starting values for muzzle velocity and BC when we set up our ballistic computers and there was VERY little difference as we "trued" the ballistics to our actual rifles. Also, if I remember correctly, Todd Hodnett from Accuracy 1st said that they'd found 16" to be the ideal length for a 308. All that being said, we were NOT shooting for groups we were shooting for hits on steel out to 1200+yds (not counting the mile shot which was more of a novelty).

Actually, in the magpul dvd, I believe Travis mentioned that he was using an 18" OBR.

 

[poison123]

As much as it pains me to say it, I'd go with the OBR. In the long run, you'll find it easier to maintain and upgrade due to the fact they went a more standardized route with their configuration.

Now if accuracy is all you care about, find out which one shoots your favorite round the best and go from there.

WTF do you mean standardized route? Pretty sure the Gap10 is as easy to maintain or upgrade as any other Gas gun out there.

 

[Skyyr]

WTF do you mean standardized route? Pretty sure the Gap10 is as easy to maintain or upgrade as any other Gas gun out there.

It has more non-standard parts/rails/etc. For example, for rail interface systems on the handguard, it's standard to have the rail span the entire length of the handguard so you can utilize the full mounting space. The GAP-10 has a one-piece upper-receiver+rail combo, but it lacks a full-length RIS. If you wanted to add an IR illuminator, say for hog hunting at night (or any other accessory other than a primary optic), you'd have to get a new handguard/upper assembly. It wasn't a knock on the gun, I was simply pointing out that it limits you in future choices and rifle configurations.

Personally, I dislike Larue due to their PR/owner, so I'm not biased towards them (in fact, quite the opposite). That said, it is fairly limiting to go with a rail system such as is on the GAP-10 for anything other than a benchrest style setup.

 

[bogeybrown]

Very possible, as I indicated I couldn't remember definitively. This discussion got me second-guessing my recollection of the video. As soon as I can watch it again I'll double-check. (Another great reason to review the video again).

*****Dutch, you were absolutely right, Travis was on an 18" in the video. My apologies to anyone who was misled by my mistake*****