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Precision Rifle Gear Garmin Xero Combine Sessions?
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I don't think you can combine them after the fact in the Garmin. I just export a CSV then manually combine them in Excel or Google Sheets.
I was afraid of that. I think Garmin should look into adding these capabilities in the future, to both the device firmware and app. It’s nice to have all your sessions centralized in one place.
Nope can’t resume a session like that. It’s a reasonable complaint I’ve made and heard others make before too.
Garmin data analysis sucks, but the units are great.
The next thing they need to fix is a 1 button session start.
The next thing they need to fix is a 1 button session start.
So, you didn’t power it off and didn’t go into Pause. It timed out on standby and that locked to session? Correct?
If I’m going idle for a while, I pause the session having been locked out after…er, maybe powering off…so I do Pause. I believe that works to keep the session open.
And yes, take them both to Excel and run average and SD there…only thing I can offer.
Yes, if you Pause the session it will keep it open, even if you turn it off, and you can Resume it once you turn it back on. If you don't, the session is closed when you turn it off (or it turns itself off, apparently). I have not had one time-out on me yet, I didn't know they would even do that. So, it turned off after a certain length of time with no activity? Does anyone know how long before it does that?
With several updates to the software already, and quite a few complaints that were registered that I'm aware of, it sure seems like that would be an easy fix for them to incorporate: Just allow any session to be re-opened.
Exactly what I was thinking. I was surprised this feature wasn’t already included.
After about 30mins of inactivity it first disarms the radar, then after another 10-15 mins of inactivity it shutdowns. By then your session is automatically closed and apparently cannot be resumed. Sucks because where I shoot we group into relays and it takes 40mins before a relay gets to shoot again.
I was really hoping Athlon's new chrono had this restart feature but they told me no. Load developing 2 rifles and wanted to restart strings using my Garmin. Shoot gun #1, grab chrono and move to gun #2 to shoot that and repeat back to gun #1 or transition to other guns to let suppressors or barrel cool as prime examples for me. Am I being lazy? Yeah probably but don't think it'd be that hard for Garmin to program that.
Garmin has been horrible with logging, data export etc. for 30+ years going back to handheld GPS units like the 45 and 60 series and cycling computers and never really addressed the issue. Shortcomings in their software are almost never fixed in software, sometimes in a future unit. I'm not sure why they make such great products but consistently fail through the decades in data analysis/handling/exporting. I would not hold my breath, but hopefully they are listening and can add this feature. That said their stuff is super solid/durable. I still have an edge 705 cycling computer that's at least 15 years old, still works fine aside the rechargeable battery does not last as long, dozens of crashes later.
However, it's 2025, it should be easy to tie sessions to specific rifle/load setups, switch between them in range sessions, reopen/restart them, export to common formats, etc. There should be no mystery on what features people are looking for in most of these things now. I think that's the piece that Garmin is really missing (or will perhaps hopefully add in future versions), they could do some really great integration with ballistics, kestrel, phone etc.
As someone who works with teams that develop software for a company that's consistently in the top 50 fortune 500 companies, they can and should do better, but it all comes down to cost/profit. Features are held out for newer versions on purpose, and most updates are only bug fixes. I read somewhere else that the Xero has had like 12 updates in a year. You can look at that two ways, one the good side that they are proactive about fixing bugs, but it also means, esp. for a device with an interface that is less complicated than a toaster oven that they clearly did not test things well before release. No team of ours would consider that a good thing if they had to push that many updates to a device for bugs that did not include other required updates (features, data, etc.)
Negative. I follow their updates closely hoping for positive changes. 4 updates in total. Last update (V3.20) was Jan 9th, 2024.
Yeah I would really like to be able to have multiple, pre-named sessions on the go for testing different ammo.
You're not being lazy. Sometimes a person has a lot of variables they want to keep track of and the only way to do it with the Garmin is a pen and paper. You should be able to have sessions named Gun #1 and Gun #2 and load them when you transition back and forth.
Someone needs to create a spreadsheet template that will combine closed strings, after the fact.
Something where each is a session sheet with a main sheet that combines them and does the appropriate calculations.
We must have a spreadsheet guru here…..?
Something where each is a session sheet with a main sheet that combines them and does the appropriate calculations.
We must have a spreadsheet guru here…..?
Where I find the lack of being able to add to a session is during load testing shooting round robin. I need to create and name a session for each group as I cycle thru loads. E.G. "Deviant 6.5 CM 41.5 H4350 #1" then #2,, etc.
Not really difficult, just a PIA and then I reassemble them into a single data set in Excel.
I still like the unit and....well, I haven't tried to take any sfwr updates. Did they fix something I really want to have?
Not really difficult, just a PIA and then I reassemble them into a single data set in Excel.
I still like the unit and....well, I haven't tried to take any sfwr updates. Did they fix something I really want to have?
The only thing I’ve noticed that I appreciate is that originally (I had one of the first units) the Battery Life icon only showed up in the initial opening screen, but wasn’t there on the screen once it was armed to record shots. Now it is. There was one other thing they did that I liked, but now I can’t remember what it was. It was discussed in the Xero thread, so maybe someone else remembers.
Besides not being able to reopen a session, another bug they haven’t fixed is if you delete shots from a string, it will re-calculate your AVG and ES correctly, but the SD will be unchanged. We found out if you send it to the App, it WILL recalculate all three correctly.
That's very odd, you might need an update, or perhaps some units have had hardware updates and are on a different update schedule. Garmin on their site does list only 4 updates. They stop tracking them at v3.20 on Jan 9, 2024, first update was v3.17 on Nov 30, 2023. However, my currently updated Xero is showing v3.27. I also found references to 3.21 and 3.23, so even if they skipped 3.22, and 3.24-3.26 that's at least 7 updates. It would be quite odd to skip update versions, unless they were date/month related, which these don't appear to be and garmin doesn't normally do that for their other products. The other thing that happens with skipped updates, is another update is fast tracked and overcomes the previous before being distributed, since often update versions are used for internal tracking. So if you had a bug you were fixing in 3.22, and it's 75% of the way to release, and another significant bug came up you wanted to fast track you might scrap 3.22, and merge it into 3.23 for a single release.
