All you have said with all your long post was that you don’t like Garmin because they stopped supporting a dying product that was displaced by all of the phone apps that did the same thing but was already on every smartphone.
All I said was that Garmin's support can't be assumed, and then I gave an example for a very expensive product that is still sold.
It's not feelings, and I have no problem with the Garmin Xero C1. By the standard you just articulated, unless various people on this thread (apparently including you) have actually used a LabRadar LX or Andiscan A3, your thoughts on the matter are incomplete and not valid.
Of course, mounts were available quickly. My position is that LabRadar's explicit warranty up to .308 suggests the device may be more rugged.
The BMW example has nothing to do with Garmin. Flex noted though. You may also notice that there are very few stables near roads anymore either.
Yup.Member since 2022.
15 positive Labradar posts out of 28 total posts (~54%).
Spreading Garmin FUD.
From Canada
Hmmmmmm
There are a lot of people mounting Garmins on 338+ class guns with no reported issues, so there is no evidence to support your position that LR LX is "more rugged". If you're going to use warranty as a measure of ruggedness, then there are a lot of inferior products that use an "unlimited warranty" to sell their inferior products against a superior product. If you want to assert that it is "more rugged", you need evidence of failures of the Garmin vs the LR LX, and to date I am unaware of any. As a result, we also don't have any evidence of Garmin refusing to warranty a unit simply because it was gun-mounted. A warranty does not determine the ruggedness of a product, only what the manufacturer is willing to pay to fix. LR knows they are behind the 8-ball against the Garmin, so it is no surprise they're looking for a leg-up to reclaim the huge market share they lost by ignoring their customer base for so long. When I asked Garmin about the gun-mount/warranty thing, they said that while they don't explicitly warranty it for gun-mounting, they weren't explicitly refusing to warranty a unit that was gun-mounted either. The implication was that they don't really care, unless the unit was obviously abused in some manner (and they're not going to know, anyway, unless you tell them).
And I'm happy for them. I'm going by warranty and perceived (the LX has a metal case and feels rugged) durability. But I think the warranty, for me, is the key selling point. Your later comments about warranties are well taken.
It has everything to do with Garmin. Garmin makes the unit and the app, BMW just white-labels it and sells.
I have not denigrated the Garmin Xero C1. Plenty of people use it and are happy.
You’ll notice that I didn’t try to compare nor denigrate any of them
Ditto (I shoot on multiple ranges, some quite busy). Garmin got there first and certainly seems to have been popular. At the time, only the LabRadar V1 was available. Had the Xero C1 had the data outputs to do BC, I would have jumped on it. It is a rare but, to me, valuable feature.
Yeah, so I see how that might look. Not spreading Garmin 'FUD', spreading "it's not the only option" because it bothers me when there's an assumed single choice (see my previous remark about Dillonophiles), and flat out incorrect information (comparing the Garmin to the LabRadar V1 instead of the LX, which is the obvious current Garmin alternative along with the Andiscan V3). Having said that, I should perhaps take the implicit advice in this and just move on:Member since 2022.
15 positive Labradar posts out of 28 total posts (~54%).
Spreading Garmin FUD.
From Canada
Hmmmmmm
For the moment, I just got back from a weekend of shooting. Nice meme
You’re the guy that has never even tried the Garmin, right? Doing what you’re doing is literally the very definition of spreading FUD.Yeah, so I see how that might look. Not spreading Garmin 'FUD', spreading "it's not the only option" because it bothers me when there's an assumed single choice (see my previous remark about Dillonophiles), and flat out incorrect information (comparing the Garmin to the LabRadar V1 instead of the LX, which is the obvious current Garmin alternative along with the Andiscan V3). Having said that, I should perhaps take the implicit advice in this and just move on:
I joined to a) help me figure out 6mm GT, a new-to-me calibre and b) to learn generally about state of the art in longer range shooting, because I've been out of the game for a bunch of years. Those missions were accomplished, there's a fairly high signal-to-noise ratio here, as compared to many other gun forae.
And its "From Canada, eh?". Had there been anything nefarious going on, most likely my profile would have said United States.
I have avoided the question but yes, I've used a Garmin at several matches. As expected, it worked fine.
I don't think so, but feedback like this is welcome.
https://www.sqi-andix.com/product/andiscan-a3/ , 450Euros is $485USD. Performance on the one review I've seen is good, although the phone interface is a bit odd.
That's a good general read.
I do understand it, I just think logic should get more weight. Although it does not for most (I think) people.
Dead giveaway!
I appreciate your attempt to engage vs. merely doing ad hominem. And it's time for me to heed the xkcd comic, and bow out.
Would that be the newish A3? It would be interesting to get your take on it - in a new thread, perhaps.
There's a tremendous amount of truth/wisdom in this post. I couldn't have said it better myself- once again, if you want/need a chronograph, just buy yourself a Garmin Xero. Not a Garmin fanboy- but for the money...what $500-600(?) this is going to likely be the best on market and your best choice for sometime.
Sounds like every company out there. Garmin is excellent and not much else you really need on it. Black Friday drop it to $500 or $550. I’m sure the new lab x will have issues.
Idk? But I turn mine off after each group not before syncing to phone and punching in title for it. It’s lasted well over 6 hrs like that. Steady running I’d say 6 hrs max. A pause I’m unsure makes it last longer too
That's my guess, but it's based off years of operating a LR (for which it is definitely the case). I haven't seen it specifically stated anywhere regarding the Garmin.
The TLDR is: the Garmin just works. It fixes 95% of the issues that were a pain with the Labradar.
If you're happy with the LabRadar it sounds like for your specific use the Garmin wouldn't be a huge benefit for you. It's main appeals are size/portability, ease of setup/use, and the ability to attach it to the rifle if you're shooting from multiple positions.
i get that and if i was purchasing my first chrono, i'd see why either of the newer are better than the old version. I basically was just trying to see if there was something new either offered i was overlooking , thanks
If you're happy with the old one, you're not necessarily missing anything by not moving to one of the newer models. However, this same argument could be used for staying with any of the older devices.
Forgot that the app sucks eggs and will lock up both the unit and your phone at times.
I don’t think k so as the string is ended. Then it goes to app. Not before. What’s the difference though? Once you end a and it sends to your phone you can make it whatever
The difference is pretty minimal but the idea was if I had a bunch of different loads to try out I could load a session named 147/41.5gr then 147/41.8gr, etc. and I wouldn't have to immediately pull out my phone at the range to name them so I don't mix things up or even have to keep any notes. Would also be useful when testing in a round robin sequence.
You do what you need at the range and get home and name the if you wish. If see your poinhbuy you can’t do it beforehand
Yes. Also MS3 vs LR. In both cases, the “mounted” unit averaged 3-4 fps faster than the free-standing one (which is explained by the recoil). The bottom line is, while there is a detectable difference, there is no practical difference.
I’ll bet, if you kept notes, the Xero was the faster one, because of the mount. Again though, insignificant difference.
