I prefer the Wilson combat TTU over both.... I have a couple Geissele triggers and they are great but I really like the Wilson combat single stage and 2 stage match triggers better... I have the single stage in my hunting rifles and the 2 stage in my precision rifles.
Geissele vs. Timney triggers
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Yeah Wilson combat TTU doesn't get enough credit. They are mighty fine triggers.
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My buddy just bought a new M&P 308 and took out the SSA-E he put in it because it double fired with it. I have one in my Colt LE6920 M4 and love it.
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Tried the Timney is was OK
I currently have two SD-E's and a SD-C
There was no comparison between the two.
Tried the Timney is was OK
I currently have two SD-E's and a SD-C
There was no comparison between the two.
Geissele is proven with over 10 years of competion and Military Service.
Their Hi Speed DMR, is still the finest AR trigger you can buy, and you KNOW it will be reliable and will not develop creep/or fail.
Why take a chance on something else? It is as good as it gets.
Their Hi Speed DMR, is still the finest AR trigger you can buy, and you KNOW it will be reliable and will not develop creep/or fail.
Why take a chance on something else? It is as good as it gets.
^^^^^Because triggers are subjective..... Everyone will perceive what they like and don't like about trigger pull.... To say one trigger is the best period is absurd.... It's all a preference. More than one trigger has proven reliable.
What If I want my trigger to feel like dragging a cinder block across a rough concrete slab? Maybe that's how I roll lol
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Timney is much easier to spell than Geissele.
Which will be better for you depends on what you are used to. If you are using a stock production trigger both will probably give you a feel better than what you currently are used to. Close your eyes and slowly pull your present trigger. If you feel grit or can imagine the feel of machining marks grating against each other you can expect that neither Timney or Geissele will give you that.
I replaced my stock LMT MWS trigger with a flat shoe Geissele (I can never remember the letter codes). Its a very nice 2 stage with a clean break. The stock MWS trigger went into a LMT CQB. It replaced the horrendous single stage that rifle ships with.
Both rifles now have nice triggers. If I was blindfolded and both shoes were identical Id like to test if I could tell the difference. Any accuracy problems can not be blamed on the triggers.
Which will be better for you depends on what you are used to. If you are using a stock production trigger both will probably give you a feel better than what you currently are used to. Close your eyes and slowly pull your present trigger. If you feel grit or can imagine the feel of machining marks grating against each other you can expect that neither Timney or Geissele will give you that.
I replaced my stock LMT MWS trigger with a flat shoe Geissele (I can never remember the letter codes). Its a very nice 2 stage with a clean break. The stock MWS trigger went into a LMT CQB. It replaced the horrendous single stage that rifle ships with.
Both rifles now have nice triggers. If I was blindfolded and both shoes were identical Id like to test if I could tell the difference. Any accuracy problems can not be blamed on the triggers.
Proven by who? early KAC 2 stage was considered the best untill it was found that under heavy use, by units like AMU and SOCOM/JSOC that they were failure prone. This is how Gisselle really made his headway into the tactical market when they started replacing MK11/Mk12 and later triggers with this DMR Hi Speed. Since then, it has still been the standard.
Most of the other triggers just haven't been used/abused enough to have full confidence in their relibaility.
You can only get so far with a trigger, while being reliable and still heavy enough to be safe. The Hi speed is damn near perfect. You can't really improve on perfection.
You KNOW they work and you will gain little/nothing by running something else, so why change for the sake of change? Just not worth it. Same reason I don't change my newer KAC 2 stages out for Hi Speeds, beacuse they are soo good, that its not worth the financal cost to get a little faster lock time and hair smoother pull.
I have never played with a Timney, but keep thinking about them every time I assemble an AR... I just haven't taken the plunge yet. That said, I do have experience with a handful of other AR triggers: the POF, JP, Geissele S3G, and the Hiperfire 24E. I prefer a single stage trigger, as the two-stage triggers I have used feel like grit to me (which probably says more about my trigger actuation than the triggers themselves).
Out of all of them, I probably prefer the JP... though as I understand it, they can be tricky to get right (I sent mine to JP for installation). It has just the slightest touch of creep... the only way I can really detect it is to put a bit of pressure on it, then back off; the trigger will then slightly move forward. Break is crisp, and reset is crazy fast.
Next up is probably the Hiperfire 24E with the full power "auxilary" springs in it. I find that it's very similar to the JP in it's characteristics, but just not quite as dialed in. That is to say that there is just a bit more creep than the JP, the break is almost as crisp as the JP, and the reset is nearly as fast as the JP.
For me, the Geissele S3G (the only Geissele with which I have experience) comes next. As is well documented in Geissele's own description of the trigger, there is a fair amount of pre-travel (creep?) that's just as smooth as can be until SURPRISE!! the trigger breaks. Please don't interpret that as the trigger being unsafe or inconsistent... neither of those adjectives apply to the S3G. I only mean to say that I can detect no stacking or grittiness as I pull through the pre-travel. With practice, it's certainly easy enough to develop the muscle memory to "pre-stage" the trigger right before the break... but understand that it will take practice to get there because there is no real warning ahead of the break. The break it's self is pretty crisp. Not as good as the JP, but probably about on-par with the Hiperfire 24E in my opinion. The reset on this one is (no surprise here) pretty quick as well... as would be expected of a trigger designed for use in three gun competitions.
That leaves the POF. While certainly (MUCH) better than a mil-spec trigger, it feels gritty and creepy by comparison to the other triggers mentioned above. I'll continue to use the one I have, but am not likely to purchase any more... there are just better options out there.
All of the above being said, none of them will ever be mistaken for a good trigger on a bolt gun. Also, this is just my $.02... and it may not even be worth that.
Out of all of them, I probably prefer the JP... though as I understand it, they can be tricky to get right (I sent mine to JP for installation). It has just the slightest touch of creep... the only way I can really detect it is to put a bit of pressure on it, then back off; the trigger will then slightly move forward. Break is crisp, and reset is crazy fast.
Next up is probably the Hiperfire 24E with the full power "auxilary" springs in it. I find that it's very similar to the JP in it's characteristics, but just not quite as dialed in. That is to say that there is just a bit more creep than the JP, the break is almost as crisp as the JP, and the reset is nearly as fast as the JP.
For me, the Geissele S3G (the only Geissele with which I have experience) comes next. As is well documented in Geissele's own description of the trigger, there is a fair amount of pre-travel (creep?) that's just as smooth as can be until SURPRISE!! the trigger breaks. Please don't interpret that as the trigger being unsafe or inconsistent... neither of those adjectives apply to the S3G. I only mean to say that I can detect no stacking or grittiness as I pull through the pre-travel. With practice, it's certainly easy enough to develop the muscle memory to "pre-stage" the trigger right before the break... but understand that it will take practice to get there because there is no real warning ahead of the break. The break it's self is pretty crisp. Not as good as the JP, but probably about on-par with the Hiperfire 24E in my opinion. The reset on this one is (no surprise here) pretty quick as well... as would be expected of a trigger designed for use in three gun competitions.
That leaves the POF. While certainly (MUCH) better than a mil-spec trigger, it feels gritty and creepy by comparison to the other triggers mentioned above. I'll continue to use the one I have, but am not likely to purchase any more... there are just better options out there.
All of the above being said, none of them will ever be mistaken for a good trigger on a bolt gun. Also, this is just my $.02... and it may not even be worth that.
