Geissele's New Heavy Barrel and SOLGW Broadsword project. (Up Date, 1st Load development session 18DEC24))

What were you running for powder on those loads?

I haven't started load development, that's all factory ammo.

They are damn impressive barrels, that 14.5" is performing just as good as my Custom Bartlein and Kreiger's. To achieve that level of consistent accuracy with a chromed lined barrel is just phenomenal.

During the Holliday sales I stocked up on the 14.5" and 16" Heavy Geissele barrels.

The 14.5" run a Mid Length Gas System but the 16" have a Mid-Length +1" system with a provided Gas Tube.

Haven't had time to shoot the 16" yet but I've paired both of them with a custom A5 System made up of a Dark Hour A5 Fine adjustment 13 Position Receiver Extension, JP Custom Centerless Ground and Polished Operating Small-Frame Rifle Spring and a Vltor H2 3.995" Buffer. Just out of curiosity I'm going to run the Griffin Armament AR-SOB-A2 Suppressor Optimized Buffer in the 16".

I bore scoped all of them and they are carbon copies of each other, the consistency that these barrels are being produced is very impressive ..

Well done Bill!
 
Am I reading wrong on these seems like a big difference suppressed to not

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I ordered a few hundred more rounds of the 73gr Bergers. When you think about it, at $32 a box it's really a decent deal.

You get Sub Half MOA factory Ammo with Low SD's/ES, Reloadable Lapua Brass and a quality 73gr projectile that moves at 2708 FPS out of a 14.5" Suppressed barrel.
 
I ordered a few hundred more rounds of the 73gr Bergers. When you think about it, at $32 a box it's really a decent deal.

You get Sub Half MOA factory Ammo with Low SD's/ES, Reloadable Lapua Brass and a quality 73gr projectile that moves at 2708 FPS out of a 14.5" Suppressed barrel.
I'm blown away at that speed. Any crazy pressure issues?
 
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I'm blown away at that speed. Any crazy pressure issues?

There is a very, very light ejector swipe on the case head when shooting Suppressed that will go away aftet tumbling, other than that no signs.

Once I shoot the ammo, I'll use the brass for my Ramshot Tac and 77gr SMK loads. 99% of the time I find it somewhere between 23.4 to 23.6 grns loaded to just under mag length.
 
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yeah I bet that’s spicy. Berger had some 77gr some years ago that was way over pressure for semi autos, didn’t they?
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Im definitely not having any of those signs maybe it's just exclusive to the 77gr in the 73's

I'll resize some of the brass today and check for loose primer pockets.

Just resized 6 of the worst cases I could pick out with the most substantial signs of wear, all primer pockets are still tight.

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Post Hornady podcast x 3.3

But seriously, what are we doing here? Ooh' ing and aww'ing over anti rotation tabs? What is it that matters? Post up a few zoomed in 5rd groups with "outliers" crossed out? Couple of photos of a 14yr old shooting groups?

@bigjake83 needs to send this barrel to Molon for a proper eval

I'm sorry, I guess I missed the threads where you have ever contributed anything.

You have any idea how many barrels I evaluate a month?

This is an evolving thread in it earlier stages.

Instead of complaining, why don't you buy one and show us all what you have to offer.

And my daughter is 10, shooting a 6.5CM as her first rifle ever fuckface.
 
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I'll use the brass for my Ramshot Tac and 77gr SMK loads. 99% of the time I find it somewhere between 23.4 to 23.6 grns loaded to just under mag length.

This is on thing that keeps me shooting my 308 AR over my creed. I can run TAC in both 223 & 308 making cheaper, fast loaded, high performing ammo. It pushes heavy’s in both at top velocity’s accurate. I love that stuff. My 16” 308 with 178 eldm’s is a fun fun rifle shooting steel to 900. If you haven’t tried it in it yet give it a shot.
Enjoy the review. Those G 14.5’s are looking dang promising. Maybe he’s dove deeper into producing precision barrels than I though he would.
 
I'll just add this one last thought and then stop. The SH 5x5 was a tad excessive but it was a common standard that everyone's contributions could be compared against. The commonality aspect it provided allowed people's varied and desperate assessments to be translated throughout the different posts and threads. It seems to have gone to the wayside on here.

But to your point, I'll put my money where my mouth is and post a review of a rifle I recently bought and was kind of disappointed in from the accuracy standpoint.

Thank you for the apology,

If you've seen any of my other evaluation threads the criteria is basically the same.

(1) Once I carefully select the parts used in the current build I then start my post with highlighting each individual part and thier purpose. I highlight the steps that I've taken to complete/ Assemble the build and answer any questions regarding individual parts and why I selected them.

(2) Next is the initial Range session. During this time I will conduct a Soft Barrel reak-In while monitoring with a borescope in between cleanings, set up the Gas and Operating System to reliably run with a broad range of usually cheap Factory Ammo Suppressed and Unsurpressed.

During Step (2) I'm also Zeroing my Scopes. I have two Bushnell Elite Tactical DMR3 Scopes that I prefer to use in my Evaluations because they are Bomb Proof and track like a Blood Hound, I have never had one failed on me so that way if something is off I already know it's not the Glass.

That brings me to the comment about the zoomed in Target Pictures, because I am constantly swapping Scopes with several different rifles usually (3-5 Rifles Large and Small Frame ) per Range Session with a broad spectrum of different Calibers and Factory Ammo.

This process plays hell on trying to keep a clean and legible Target Board because more times often than not during swapping Scopes there will be all kinds of random impacts until I get each rifle zeroed and sometimes they come really damn close to the other groups that I've shot so to keep it simple for the masses I zoom in on the groups that way y'all aren't trying to play Guess Who with the impacts.

(3) Once I've put at least 150rds down each Barrel and worked out any discrepancies if there's any at all, I'll then take a good assortment of high quality Match Grade Factory Ammo usually in the 60gr - 77gr Range and find the Factory Ammo each build prefers.

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In this thread it's the 73gr Berger BT Target Ammo and show the External Ballistics Data and highlight it's performance. The reason I do this is because I know majority of people don't have time because their busy work / family schedules to conduct Load Development.

I do this is for the SH Members who follow my threads and want to spend thier money on any of the products I'm reviewing, if I can take some of the guess work out for them and save them time and money it's a Win or all.

(4) The final step is Load development, this is where the 4x5's or 5x5's come in, after I have established a consistently accurate Hand Load I'll share my Load data and conduct a final 4x5 or 5x5. I wish I could add in a few 10rd groups or some 20 - 30rd groups for you guys but I just don't have the time and money to devote into each and every build or barrel Evaluation due to the quantity I'm working with.

I hope this clears up any questions or concerns that anyone may have.

Jake.
 
This is on thing that keeps me shooting my 308 AR over my creed. I can run TAC in both 223 & 308 making cheaper, fast loaded, high performing ammo. It pushes heavy’s in both at top velocity’s accurate. I love that stuff. My 16” 308 with 178 eldm’s is a fun fun rifle shooting steel to 900. If you haven’t tried it in it yet give it a shot.
Enjoy the review. Those G 14.5’s are looking dang promising. Maybe he’s dove deeper into producing precision barrels than I though he would.

Tac is also very good for 6ARC and 22ARC.
 
Have you worked up any hand loads yet? Your review is the only detailed review I can find online, so valuable and helpful! Thank you for taking the time to post everything.

I have a brand new LMT 16" 5.56 rifle that I just shot for the first time this weekend. Accuracy seems mediocre (at best) with the factory 16" chrome lined barrel. It seems like an honest 1.5 - 2 MOA rifle with 77 SMK's at this point, but I only have 58 rounds down the tube.

I'm looking for an off-the-shelf in-stock barrel that I can send to D Wilson for conversion, this new Geissele HBAR is high on my list. Ironically, SOLGW new SPR barrel was another. It seems like the Geissele has better accuracy potential to you so far?
 
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Have you worked up any hand loads yet? Your review is the only detailed review I can find online, so valuable and helpful! Thank you for taking the time to post everything.

I have a brand new LMT 16" 5.56 rifle that I just shot for the first time this weekend. Accuracy seems mediocre (at best) with the factory 16" chrome lined barrel. It seems like an honest 1.5 - 2 MOA rifle with 77 SMK's at this point, but I only have 58 rounds down the tube.

I'm looking for an off-the-shelf in-stock barrel that I can send to D Wilson for conversion, this new Geissele HBAR is high on my list. Ironically, SOLGW new SPR barrel was another. It seems like the Geissele has better accuracy potential to you so far?

I've got the handloads made, just need to find a halfway decent day to shoot.
 
First session of Load development, using 77gr SMK, LC Brass, GM205M Primers, Ramshot Tac.

23.6, 23.2 and 23.5 are showing so.e promise.

I'm not seeing and pressure signs even at 24.0gr, so I'll push it harder till I see pressure signs.

I'm sure I can cleans this up even more with using quality brass, I've got Starline and Lapua on hand so I'll give them a try.

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That's the same load I use. Shoots 69-77 grain pills sub moa in my rifles.

Yeah 23.5grs of Tac with77gr SMK's has always been the sweet spot for my Custom Bartlein Barrels from Paul Ross and seems to work well in most barrels.

The Geissele barrels clearly like the Berger 73gr BT Target bullets so I'll get some of those loaded up.

Here's the Data on the 24.0grs of TAC and 77 SMK in the 14.5" Unsurpressed shot around 33°, I'm hoping to hit the accuracy nodes between 2600-2700 FPS with 73's out of the 14.5"

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If you guys recall the impressive Muzzle velocity the Berger 73 BT Target Factory Ammo was putting out in the 14.5" Geissele, I shot them again in a Side by Side in a Matching SOLGW Broadsword Build kit with the new Geissele Heavy 16" barrel. The 14.5" and 16" operating parts are exactly the same with the only differences between the two Broadsword/Geissele builds, the 16" has a longer SOLGW Handguard and a Mid-Length +1 Gas System.

The below Data with the Geissele 16" and 14.5" Builds were shot with the same Lazarus 6 Suppressor.

The Data leads me to believe the the Berger 73gr Factory Ammo must be pretty temp sensitive. When I originally chronographs the berger ammo out of the 14.5" Geissele Barrel the outside temperature was between high 50's and low 60's.

When I shot the Berger ammo yesterday it was in the low 30's

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Any update on your 16” sample? It’s an intriguing option with the +1 gas system if it shoots as well as your 14.5”.

No I haven't had time, still playing with the 14.5" set-up's. I decided to SBR the above 14.5" because I'm tired of pin and welding my 14.5" barrels, especially since I swapped muzzle devices from Keymo to Xeno so im stuck with the Lantac Keymo on this 14.5"

At this point I've got three of each 14.5" and 16" Heavy barrels, I'll probably cut the above barrel down to 13.7" so I can ditch the Keymo P&W (Cheap option) or buy another Hux and keep it set up as a dedicated Keymo Suppressor.

I'll get going on the 16" Geissele Heavy barrels soon.

Jake
 
No I haven't had time, still playing with the 14.5" set-up's. I decided to SBR the above 14.5" because I'm tired of pin and welding my 14.5" barrels, especially since I swapped muzzle devices from Keymo to Xeno so im stuck with the Lantac Keymo on this 14.5"

At this point I've got three of each 14.5" and 16" Heavy barrels, I'll probably cut the above barrel down to 13.7" so I can ditch the Keymo P&W (Cheap option) or buy another Hux and keep it set up as a dedicated Keymo Suppressor.

I'll get going on the 16" Geissele Heavy barrels soon.

Jake
Time... something we all could use more of. Lol

BTW, Thank You for all your time , and posting. I look forward to your posts every time.