I've been using the Giraud for years and love it. Added the K&M items which make it so much easier not to mention painless. I use a different cutter setup for each caliber. You cannot go wrong with this setup.
Giraud Power Case Trimmer Ya, Nay
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Forgive me as I have zero imagination, but would someone mind posting a video of the trimming process with the K&M kit and maybe a quick assembly/disassembly of the holder?
If you order all the parts together, K&M will assemble it for you, actually - so I received mine already assembled. I have a couple hundred cases that need trimming - I'll try to shoot some video later today, if I get a moment.
Don't be jealous of Henderson owners.....just get this:
Ya on Giraud from me also. GREAT machine.
Now, some folks complaint is that holding the shell by hand in the cutter gets old on the fingers. Some use a glove to reduce vibration but I highly recommend this tool from K&M . Works like the Lee collet used by the Henderson. Very nicely made and very quick and easy to insert/remove shell. Highly recommend it for use with the Giraud.
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Power Adapter Handle
Power adapter for use with a cordless drill for turning with the Micro-Adjustable Neck Turner.kmshooting.com
Power Adapter with Shell Holder
Power adapter for use with a cordless drill for turning with the Micro-Adjustable Neck Turner.
Power Grip - K+M Precision Shooting Products
Power Grip to be used with power adapter (new laser etched style) to make it easier to tighten down your case without tools.
Lee Auto Prime Shell Holder | Shell Holders for Reloading
Lee Auto Prime Shell Holder | Shell Holders for Reloading | Precision Reloading Tools | Reloading Shell Holder
Ooops, didn't see this before. Don't have any vids but the K&M tool is stupid easy to assemble and using it is merely a matter of turning the ring an 1/8 of a turn or so (might be even less) to tighten/loosen. With shell in the tool, just stick it in the cutter. Really, nothing complicated to video.
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Any thoughts on using this holder vs the rim based one?
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Case Holder - K+M Precision Shooting Products
Give your hands a break from grasping cases with the all-new Case Holder from K&M. Available for case bodies just over .563"/14.3mm diameter.
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I have that holder, use to use it when I uniformed primer pockets works great and easy to set up and use.Any thoughts on using this holder vs the rim based one?
Case Holder - K+M Precision Shooting Products
Give your hands a break from grasping cases with the all-new Case Holder from K&M. Available for case bodies just over .563"/14.3mm diameter.
Is the collet straight so it would grab the case the same each way OR is it tapered so that with the case inverted (holding onto the base and the neck sticking out) it has a floppy and loose grip on the brass?
The holder with the collects seems like it would be useful for other processes but perhaps the original with the shell holder might be faster, but single purpose. Would be interested in any thoughts, as I might be buying one of these because I'm not getting any younger...
If you need to remove a LOT of metal fast, allow me to introduce you to the 300BO converter....
In all seriousness, these are designed to take .01" to .02" of material off max and kiss the ID & OD. If you need more, you're probably looking at the above solution or something involving industrial equipment.
Yep, still too slow and not accurate. More power!... 3 phase motors.
Need to take off 1/2" in about a second,..
Industrial strength Bridgeport mill, collet closer, with dead length collets.
Make some chips...going .510 cal one thousand cases of 338 Lapua brass or Norma mag brass.
No time for toys...
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Here’s how the holder works the collets are not tapered if they are it is a VERY slight taper, this tool would be easier to use than the shell plate tool and faster and it holds the case centered and solid.
Here’s how the holder works the collets are not tapered if they are it is a VERY slight taper, this tool would be easier to use than the shell plate tool and faster and it holds the case centered and solid.
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I use this for primer pocket work also but it will not work with all types of brass for operations on the neck. They explain this on the product pageAny thoughts on using this holder vs the rim based one?
Case Holder - K+M Precision Shooting Products
Give your hands a break from grasping cases with the all-new Case Holder from K&M. Available for case bodies just over .563"/14.3mm diameter.
Can you operate with one hand? Cause the shell plate based tool is both easy and fast (see my next post)....
Took me an extra half day, sorry
Here's a vid showing the Power Adapter assembly - roughly how it goes together, and using it...
Looks like it works well with that tool but also looks like you are using more of the fingers and wrist than if you just picked a piece up, stuck it in and turned. Seems people complaining about arthritis or the like would have more issues with that tool using it like you do. Could work for them if they slowed down and put the piece in and turned it using both hands.
Yes, and I think either tool will work but like @Rob01 said seems like a lot of unneeded extra steps no matter what tool you choose, as I said early in this thread I have owned 2 Giraud's and they are great machines, personally I prefer the Henderson.
If you watch how the Henderson works it is every bit as fast as the Giraud without the finger fatigue everyone talks about so you do not need an extra tool. As far as ppl talking about the pilot galling the inside of the neck, the case is not on the pilot long enough for that to happen it is literally on and off, if your gulling necks your holding the case in way longer than needed.
Having used the machine both ways, it's significantly less effort using the tool than using bare hands - and it's manipulating bigger/"friendlier" interfaces (the handle and "power grip" take much less fine motor control, etc).
When I bought the Giraud, you couldn't get a Henderson (they were doing the "no backorders, better jump on our site right away when we drop them, and we're not gonna tell you when that's gonna happen" game), and the Giraud was a long wait, but you could at least order one and wait for it... so that's how I chose. A buddy has a Henderson, and it's also nice - but not so much nicer that I feel like I need to switch. If Henderson implemented the micrometer adjustment that Hornady put on their Henderson ripoff, it might sway me, though... Otherwise, having played with both, etc, I feel like you can use either one just fine, and both are a big time savings over doing multiple operations (trim, then chamfer/debug), etc...
If it works it works but to me making that big C and grabbing and turning to lock the piece in is more movement and due to being out near the tips of the finger more leverage needed to perform than holding a piece between thumb and forefinger. Just my thoughts. Use what you find works for you.
What bothered my old hands most when using my Giraud was having to grip the case firmly to do the trimming. It didn't take long to figure out all I had to do was get a non-slip glove (like the Gorilla Grip gloves) where I didn't have to use a lot of effort to hold onto the cases.
In addition to that, I found that I didn't have to really press the case very hard into the trimmer to get the trimming results I was after. In fact, I found I couldn't get as consistent results when pressing hard as I did with a somewhat light pressure.
My old hands no longer ache after trimming a couple hundred case.
In addition to that, I found that I didn't have to really press the case very hard into the trimmer to get the trimming results I was after. In fact, I found I couldn't get as consistent results when pressing hard as I did with a somewhat light pressure.
My old hands no longer ache after trimming a couple hundred case.
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