Going with a .300WM

[opshin556]

Boys, I am looking to get into the 1000+ game and have decided on a .300 WM for several reasons.
The first being ability to feed weapon, and the second being ability to move steel past 1000+
I dont want to get into a cartridge debate, the decision has been made.

What I am interested in is opinions on whether I should build myself a rifle, by starting with just an action, then the barrel, stock, etc.

OR: do I drop coin on a production gun, if so, is the sendero worth a look? The 700 police?
What other rifles would you guys recommend?

In my safe sits a USO 5x25horus H37 reticle drooling for a new rifle

The rifle will be used in competitions and perhaps some hunting, but mostly just another freaking toy.

My plan is to shoot 220 grain MK248Mk1. So I am under the impression 1/10 twist rates are preferred, is this correct?

thanks in advance, sarcastic comments are always welcome!

 

[gimpy]

Re: Going with a .300WM

Have you looked at the 700 5R Mil-Spec? You'll hear a lot of good things about that rifle. I have one in .308, and can't complain about much except for the trigger.

 

[opshin556]

Re: Going with a .300WM

Ahh, yes, i have a friend who owns one in .308.
good call.
the x trigger kinda sucks huh?

 

[JB02]

Re: Going with a .300WM

This is what I would do (this would get you all parts today):

Barrel:
http://www.6mmar.com/Barrels.php
Bartlein 30 Cal. (.299"-.308"), #14 (M24/M40/Rem Tactical) contour, 1:10" twist, 5R rifled, 27" stainless steel blank
$310 + shipping

Action:
http://www.bugholes.com/surgeon-actions.php
Surgeon 1086/R action w/ mag bolt face.
Request a tactical vice a standard bolt knob
$1,395.00

Stock:
http://mannersstocks.com/stocks-for-sale/
MCS-T5A Surgeon 1086, Surgeon Detch, Sendreo, 3 Studs, CoyTan #8288
Note: Be sure to either have manners or the gunsmith open up the barrel channel for the M24 contour
Request two LHS flush cups and an atlas rail before they ship it.
$674.50 (+flush cups +rail)

DBM:
http://www.surgeonrifles.com/surgeon-lon...wBvAHIAaQBlAHMA
Surgeon LA DBM
$357

If DBM is not in stock, consider this route (this is in stock):
http://shop.milehighshooting.com/AI-20222BL-AX-20-L-A-Black-AI-20222BL.htm
AIAX LA Chassis
$1,393.15

I would also consider getting an atlas bipod and monopod:
http://shop.milehighshooting.com/Atlas_c8.htm

Trigger:
Jewell HVRTS-A (no bolt release) ... (you didn't think I'd stick you with an x-mark, did you?)
http://greatscottshooters.com/trigger.htm
$205

Have all the parts sent to a gunsmith of your choice.

The total cost without any gunsmithing and neglecting shipping and fees is ~ $3,300 for the AIAX variant (no bipod or monopod either).

If you go with the Manners T5A and the Surgeon DBM, you're looking at ~ $2,950 (a little more for the atlas rail and flush cups)

Your USO would sit proudly on either of these rigs ;-)

 

[REL1203]

Re: Going with a .300WM

Dont forget to add in a Brake, say an APA Lil'Bastard...

300WM is a good round, just be prepared for 2 things..
First is, 300WM will give your shoulder a good thump (brake helps)
Second is, 300WM is a Barrel Burner. Expect 1500-2200 rounds
Oh yeah, a third, 300WM is expensive to feed, so if you dont reload, you need to be.

Good luck with your build

On a similar note, i just dropped off my R700 XCR 300WM at my Smiths to get a new barrel (I went with Krieger).

Everything mentioned above are all very good stuff indeed.

 

[MontanaMarine]

Re: Going with a .300WM

I'd get a 5R milspec, Sendero, or a 700P, and add a brake.

 

[opshin556]

Re: Going with a .300WM

Im looking at the 5R now, along with the long action heavy barrel remmy sps.
Surefire brake for sure!

 

[trilogymac]

Re: Going with a .300WM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd get a 5R milspec, Sendero, or a 700P, and add a brake. </div></div>

Yup!

 

[turbo54]

Re: Going with a .300WM

Some competitions are now limiting bullets to 190gr. Something to think about.

I'm a proponent of just buying a rifle if you don't have something VERY specific in mind already.

Lots of nice used rifles around...

 

[opshin556]

Re: Going with a .300WM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LT JGB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is what I would do (this would get you all parts today):

Barrel:
http://www.6mmar.com/Barrels.php
Bartlein 30 Cal. (.299"-.308"), #14 (M24/M40/Rem Tactical) contour, 1:10" twist, 5R rifled, 27" stainless steel blank
$310 + shipping

Action:
http://www.bugholes.com/surgeon-actions.php
Surgeon 1086/R action w/ mag bolt face.
Request a tactical vice a standard bolt knob
$1,395.00

Stock:
http://mannersstocks.com/stocks-for-sale/
MCS-T5A Surgeon 1086, Surgeon Detch, Sendreo, 3 Studs, CoyTan #8288
Note: Be sure to either have manners or the gunsmith open up the barrel channel for the M24 contour
Request two LHS flush cups and an atlas rail before they ship it.
$674.50 (+flush cups +rail)

DBM:
http://www.surgeonrifles.com/surgeon-lon...wBvAHIAaQBlAHMA
Surgeon LA DBM
$357

If DBM is not in stock, consider this route (this is in stock):
http://shop.milehighshooting.com/AI-20222BL-AX-20-L-A-Black-AI-20222BL.htm
AIAX LA Chassis
$1,393.15

I would also consider getting an atlas bipod and monopod:
http://shop.milehighshooting.com/Atlas_c8.htm

Trigger:
Jewell HVRTS-A (no bolt release) ... (you didn't think I'd stick you with an x-mark, did you?)
http://greatscottshooters.com/trigger.htm
$205

Have all the parts sent to a gunsmith of your choice.

The total cost without any gunsmithing and neglecting shipping and fees is ~ $3,300 for the AIAX variant (no bipod or monopod either).

If you go with the Manners T5A and the Surgeon DBM, you're looking at ~ $2,950 (a little more for the atlas rail and flush cups)

Your USO would sit proudly on either of these rigs ;-)
</div></div>

Thanks dude, these are some seriously good links!!

 

[hmtb0407]

Re: Going with a .300WM

You won't be sorry with a 5R in 300WM. The 1/10 twist helps get that 220SMK down past 1000. I have also had good success with 190SMk as well.

I added the RAD brake from hide member HateCA and it does really well reducing the recoil. It also fits the barrel profile well.

 

[jpspeeddemon]

Re: Going with a .300WM

what is your budget? $3000, $4000?

the mk248 mod 1 220gr 300wm load is very stout and i've read on here from guys that said there are big over ppressure signs and reloading the brass is a no go in most match chambers. The AI AW 300wm didn't have any pressure signs, something to think about.

 

[105amatt]

Re: Going with a .300WM

If it where me, for a factory offering, the Rem 700 5r, and drop it into a AICS.

 

[Cacciatore]

Re: Going with a .300WM

You could also go TRG-42 in .300 WIN MAG. I have been shooting a friends at the range and it is a beauty. He claims ~2,000 so far and last week I witnessed him shoot a 1-hole 4 shot group at 200 yds. Might want to give that a look as well.

 

[Tackleberry]

Re: Going with a .300WM

I have a buddy with a 700P, trigger job and thruster brake. He shoots 208 Amax and at 1000 and 1200 I have watched 3/4 MOA groups with a factory gun. I was very impressed. If my GAP does that well I will be very pleased. Hard to beat a 700P or 5R

 

[Eric B.]

Re: Going with a .300WM

Good cartridge choice in the .300 WM. Affordable to reload and managable recoil, especialy with a good muzzle brake. And with the new Berger 230 gr. Tactical bullet you can truly have a very good long range round with a great BC and wind fighting ability. (The longer Berger 230 gr. Match bullet is too long for most magazines.)

A recent article in "SNIPER" magazine said the Tikka Tactical is a great "starter" rifle because you can re-stock it later once you know what kind of stock you really want.
I agree B/C the Tikka, by Sako, is high quality and has a 3 lug bolt which means faster bolt cycling. Most newer long range rifles have 3 lug bolts. BTW, the Tikk's MSRP is $950. which is a great price considering the quality.

I own two rifles in .300 WM, a Rem. 700/HS Precision target rifle (2 lug) and a Browning A-Bolt (3 lug). The Browning bolt is much more pleasant to cycle rapidly.
.

 

[AMOK!]

Re: Going with a .300WM

R700 MilSpec 5R 300WM hands down. 1:10 ROT. Invest in a brake and solid glass and you're GTG. Disregard a "build" and save $ to shoot and train with your rig.

 

[ranger1183]

Re: Going with a .300WM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boys, I am looking to get into the 1000+ game and have decided on a .300 WM for several reasons.
The first being ability to feed weapon, and the second being ability to move steel past 1000+
I dont want to get into a cartridge debate, the decision has been made.

What I am interested in is opinions on whether I should build myself a rifle, by starting with just an action, then the barrel, stock, etc.

OR: do I drop coin on a production gun, if so, is the sendero worth a look? The 700 police?
What other rifles would you guys recommend?

In my safe sits a USO 5x25horus H37 reticle drooling for a new rifle

The rifle will be used in competitions and perhaps some hunting, but mostly just another freaking toy.

My plan is to shoot 220 grain MK248Mk1. So I am under the impression 1/10 twist rates are preferred, is this correct?

thanks in advance, sarcastic comments are always welcome! </div></div>

My apologies for my shameless promoting BUT .....

That's pretty easy. This one fits the bill perfectly!

 

[Pappasniper]

Re: Going with a .300WM

Rem5R, Timney, bedding job. Just add 208 AMAX and squeeeeeze! Oh yea, Karsten cheeck rest tout you dead center of your optic.

 

[O_W]

Re: Going with a .300WM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 105amatt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it where me, for a factory offering, the Rem 700 5r, and drop it into a AICS. </div></div>'

That is what I did. I am on my second barrel already.

SF MB762-211c is a great brake for this gun

 

[winxp_man]

Re: Going with a .300WM

You cant go wrong with a Sendero. Mine shoots very good! Its a .5 MOA shooter if I do my part.

Aron-

 

[Stalpeth]

Re: Going with a .300WM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LT JGB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is what I would do (this would get you all parts today):

Barrel:
http://www.6mmar.com/Barrels.php
Bartlein 30 Cal. (.299"-.308"), #14 (M24/M40/Rem Tactical) contour, 1:10" twist, 5R rifled, 27" stainless steel blank
$310 + shipping

Action:
http://www.bugholes.com/surgeon-actions.php
Surgeon 1086/R action w/ mag bolt face.
Request a tactical vice a standard bolt knob
$1,395.00

Stock:
http://mannersstocks.com/stocks-for-sale/
MCS-T5A Surgeon 1086, Surgeon Detch, Sendreo, 3 Studs, CoyTan #8288
Note: Be sure to either have manners or the gunsmith open up the barrel channel for the M24 contour
Request two LHS flush cups and an atlas rail before they ship it.
$674.50 (+flush cups +rail)

DBM:
http://www.surgeonrifles.com/surgeon-lon...wBvAHIAaQBlAHMA
Surgeon LA DBM
$357

If DBM is not in stock, consider this route (this is in stock):
http://shop.milehighshooting.com/AI-20222BL-AX-20-L-A-Black-AI-20222BL.htm
AIAX LA Chassis
$1,393.15

I would also consider getting an atlas bipod and monopod:
http://shop.milehighshooting.com/Atlas_c8.htm

Trigger:
Jewell HVRTS-A (no bolt release) ... (you didn't think I'd stick you with an x-mark, did you?)
http://greatscottshooters.com/trigger.htm
$205

Have all the parts sent to a gunsmith of your choice.

The total cost without any gunsmithing and neglecting shipping and fees is ~ $3,300 for the AIAX variant (no bipod or monopod either).

If you go with the Manners T5A and the Surgeon DBM, you're looking at ~ $2,950 (a little more for the atlas rail and flush cups)

Your USO would sit proudly on either of these rigs ;-)
</div></div>I recently went with a build like this I used the same barrel only I used a Rem 700 action and the Manners T4A-DBM stock (www.stockysstocks.com) this has the Badger DBM assembly and chassis system installed from the factory no bedding required. Good luck

 

[Alpine 338]

Re: Going with a .300WM

My current 300WM started as a barreled action (Rem SS action with Schneider 27" M40 P-5 barrel). Dropped it in an AICS stock, with a factory Remington X-Mark adjustable trigger that pulls like it was tuned by GAP.
I then sent it off and had Jack Leather re-crown the barrel, add a Badger Tactical bolt knob, and Cerikote it OD Green.
I added a Near 25-moa base, with a Premier 5-25 mounted via a Near Alpha mount. Not happy with the Vias brake that it came with, I had the barrel shortened to 26", re-threaded, re-crowned, and added a Surefire 338 Brake.
I then added a Victor Co. 7-mm cheek rest spacer and AI thumb screws. Running it with an Atlas bipod with AI spigot.

I've already started putting together my next 300WM with the following:

Defiance Rebel Action
Schneider M40 P-5 Fluted Barrel
Jackson Tactical Trigger
McMillian A5 stock, Adjustable Cheek Rest
Badger M5 DBM
Surefire 338 Brake
Premier 5-25 with Near Alpha Mount.

My barrel is getting built
My bolt is getting Nitrade finished
And the 4-month clock was just reset since I just changed my mind with stock camo colors.

As far as your build, go with 1x10 twist, which is standard for 300WM. Shooting 220 grain MK248Mk1 will beat you up as this load is hot ~ 3000-fps. I'm pushing the 208-gr AMax at around 2850-fps, which results in outstanding accuracy (0.25" 5-round group at 200-yards is my best so far), and I've also banged steel at 1500-meters with it. I est. my barrel life with these moderate loads will be between 2500-3000 rounds. Because of my moderate load, weight of the rifle, and the effective brake, this rifle is a pussycat of a rifle to shoot.

 

[Km22]

Re: Going with a .300WM

Good luck shooting the real mk248 mod 1 out of a police. After 2 rounds, I needed to bash my bolt up and open with a rock or drop the rod down the muzzle to get it open. I still have about 400 rounds of it left for when HCS turns it into a MK 13 mod 5 with to spec chamber for the ammo.

 

[jeo556]

Re: Going with a .300WM

Savage long action dropped into an XLR chassis. That way you can do the smithing yourself when you smoke the barrel. Not saying that the savage is better than a 700 but it allows for a semi switch barrel rig.

 

[winxp_man]

Re: Going with a .300WM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Km22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good luck shooting the real mk248 mod 1 out of a police. After 2 rounds, I needed to bash my bolt up and open with a rock or drop the rod down the muzzle to get it open. I still have about 400 rounds of it left for when HCS turns it into a MK 13 mod 5 with to spec chamber for the ammo.</div></div>


With reloads I'm getting 2830-40 FPS with 220 SMK bullet over 76.0gr of H1000. Also sub MOA and no pressure signs at all.




Aron-

 

[REL1203]

Re: Going with a .300WM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alpine 338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My current 300WM started as a barreled action (Rem SS action with Schneider 27" M40 P-5 barrel). Dropped it in an AICS stock, with a factory Remington X-Mark adjustable trigger that pulls like it was tuned by GAP.
I then sent it off and had Jack Leather re-crown the barrel, add a Badger Tactical bolt knob, and Cerikote it OD Green.
I added a Near 25-moa base, with a Premier 5-25 mounted via a Near Alpha mount. Not happy with the Vias brake that it came with, I had the barrel shortened to 26", re-threaded, re-crowned, and added a Surefire 338 Brake.
I then added a Victor Co. 7-mm cheek rest spacer and AI thumb screws. Running it with an Atlas bipod with AI spigot.

I've already started putting together my next 300WM with the following:

Defiance Rebel Action
Schneider M40 P-5 Fluted Barrel
Jackson Tactical Trigger
McMillian A5 stock, Adjustable Cheek Rest
Badger M5 DBM
Surefire 338 Brake
Premier 5-25 with Near Alpha Mount.

My barrel is getting built
My bolt is getting Nitrade finished
And the 4-month clock was just reset since I just changed my mind with stock camo colors.

As far as your build, go with 1x10 twist, which is standard for 300WM. Shooting 220 grain MK248Mk1 will beat you up as this load is hot ~ 3000-fps. I'm pushing the 208-gr AMax at around 2850-fps, which results in outstanding accuracy (0.25" 5-round group at 200-yards is my best so far), and I've also banged steel at 1500-meters with it. I est. my barrel life with these moderate loads will be between 2500-3000 rounds. Because of my moderate load, weight of the rifle, and the effective brake, this rifle is a pussycat of a rifle to shoot. </div></div>

Please tell me you have some pics online of your 300wm? I would love to see it

 

[Km22]

Re: Going with a .300WM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Km22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good luck shooting the real mk248 mod 1 out of a police. After 2 rounds, I needed to bash my bolt up and open with a rock or drop the rod down the muzzle to get it open. I still have about 400 rounds of it left for when HCS turns it into a MK 13 mod 5 with to spec chamber for the ammo.</div></div>


With reloads I'm getting 2830-40 FPS with 220 SMK bullet over 76.0gr of H1000. Also sub MOA and no pressure signs at all.




Aron- </div></div>

I wish I was as lucky. I bought a bunch of rounds of gunbroker and my rifle didn't fair too well with the ammo. I can't wait to get the rifle back from HCS, I hear they do great work.

 

[TCBREINIG]

Re: Going with a .300WM

Definitely impressed with my 5R 300 Win Mag, 3/4 MOA this past weekend at 700 yards with 175 Gr. Berger VLd hunting bullet and 208 Gr. A-max. Cant wait to stretch it to 1000 yards in Nebraska when I go back for Deer season.

 

[Alpine 338]

Re: Going with a .300WM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: REL1203</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Please tell me you have some pics online of your 300wm? I would love to see it </div></div>

Just e-mailed you a couple pictures of my rifle prior to having the Surefire brake installed. Feel free to post them here on the hide.

 

[winxp_man]

Re: Going with a .300WM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Km22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Km22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good luck shooting the real mk248 mod 1 out of a police. After 2 rounds, I needed to bash my bolt up and open with a rock or drop the rod down the muzzle to get it open. I still have about 400 rounds of it left for when HCS turns it into a MK 13 mod 5 with to spec chamber for the ammo.</div></div>


With reloads I'm getting 2830-40 FPS with 220 SMK bullet over 76.0gr of H1000. Also sub MOA and no pressure signs at all.




Aron- </div></div>

I wish I was as lucky. I bought a bunch of rounds of gunbroker and my rifle didn't fair too well with the ammo. I can't wait to get the rifle back from HCS, I hear they do great work.</div></div>


I'm running a stock as can be Remington 300WM chamber to. I don't know off the top of my head how far I can push a 220 SMK bullet before it hits the lands. In the end I am glad I can run my reloads like that!


Aron-