Rifle Scopes Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing though

[GIC]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing though

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McKinneyMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sudnit5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of all the bad reviews so far, they have been the 4-16 models. I haven't heard anything about the 6-24 model yet. I hope only the 4-16's are a fluke. </div></div>

Two scopes have issues and some of you are screaming the sky is falling? I suggest that Jon A's scope would have slide by the average Joe by a mile! The blob on the other one is a bad deal for sure, but I just can not believe that people are bailing out based upon "two" issues and i again will say that the canted reticle would have never been picked up by 99.9% of the shooters that purchased that scope. In either event, I am sure that Vortex will make it right. I also would guess that those that are jumping ship have never owned a Vortex product before either. Too bad. </div></div>

I think people feel that they shouldn't have to be the quality control on something they are buying, unfortunately this is not the case. Don't blame the people for bailing, blame Vortex for not being extremely precise with QC when releasing such a small number, they shot themselves in the foot if they lose business on this one. If you want to be successful in business especially the business of shooting you make damn sure that your first releases are double or triple checked. Everyone knows businesses in this industry get good or bad reputations from word of mouth from people like us.

 

[McKinneyMike]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing though

These issues were petty and I am sure that no QC would have caught the reticle being canted as it was so minor.
The blob I firmly believe was something that came loose during transit. Time will tell, but I have seen zero reasons to think that Vortex will have any serious issues going forward. Again I seriously doubt that any of the bashers have ever owned a Vortex optic so they have no idea as to the quality that is present given the cost of their products. Going forward I seriously doubt that either of these issues will be anything but a hiccup. People can do as they please, but I for one think that they are a great company, that offers super products and have proven that they care and will be there if there are ever issues for me and other owners.

 

[GIC]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing though

Who is bashing them? I think you are the one over reacting Mike. No one has said Vortex is a shitty company, only that they released some scopes with problems and that has discouraged some people from buying them. I think you need to take your own advice and stop overreacting. If it turns out this is just a minor few out of the thousands they release and the rest are flawless, great. If not, I'm sure they will halt production and figure the problem out, before releasing more. No one is bashing them, a couple reviews were posted and a few people would rather spend there money with a more "tried and true" company in their opinions. If it turns out the PSTs are great than its their loss and your gain. To each his own and if someone doesn't think they are reliable they will have to live with the fact that they might be missing out on a great buy.

 

[McKinneyMike]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing though

I just call em like I see em. I don't think that I was the only one that was "over reacting" to the situation either. I was just trying to get some people to stop yelling "fire" in the crowd theater. My apologies if that ruffled your feathers.

 

[bodywerks]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing though

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McKinneyMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am glad that you are comparing apples to apples here. A $900.00 FFP vs a SFP $1800.00 scope. Makes perfect sense to me

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It's not a comparison - not everyone is hell-bent on having FFP. Fact of the matter is, on my Milletts, for example, 99% of my shooting was done at 16x, and I never used the reticle to range anything. For what I plan to use the scope for(target competion shooting, f-class, etc.)I don't see myself needing the FFP.
If I need to range anything, I can do it at 22x, or at 11x with very basic math, and those are two fine powers of magnification for nearly all types of shooting.
My priorities have changed, that's all. My type of shooting demands premium glass and proven reliabiity/repeatability/accuracy. The nightforce has that. The PST's are too new to say for sure and I don't want to take the risk.
And like double Phoenix said, if I'm looking for 'the last scope I will ever need', I might as well spend the extra cash now...

 

[McKinneyMike]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing though

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bodywerks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McKinneyMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am glad that you are comparing apples to apples here. A $900.00 FFP vs a SFP $1800.00 scope. Makes perfect sense to me

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It's not a comparison - not everyone is hell-bent on having FFP. Fact of the matter is, on my Milletts, for example, 99% of my shooting was done at 16x, and I never used the reticle to range anything. For what I plan to use the scope for(target competion shooting, f-class, etc.)I don't see myself needing the FFP.
If I need to range anything, I can do it at 22x, or at 11x with very basic math, and those are two fine powers of magnification for nearly all types of shooting.
My priorities have changed, that's all. My type of shooting demands premium glass and proven reliabiity/repeatability/accuracy. The nightforce has that. The PST's are too new to say for sure and I don't want to take the risk.
And like double Phoenix said, if I'm looking for 'the last scope I will ever need', I might as well spend the extra cash now... </div></div>

I understand the FFP argument. For my shooting it is not a requirement as I use a laser range finder quite often.
I also understand the NF argument too, but it is still twice the price. I simply can't see someone that can afford and wanting a NF would even consider the Viper PST though. Two different people is all I was saying.
I enjoy great glass but what I want and what I am willing to spend are two different things. Two kids in college makes my disposable income a little tighter than many I guess.
The Viper PST will satisfy my needs nicely I am sure. I love the reticle, I already own a older Viper and find it quite good for the money. I have zero doubts that the PST's will be a great product for me and my uses.

 

[m1k3]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing though

I thought about it and I for one am keeping my order for a 4-16 SFP PST.

I guess the SFP scopes are coming in later so maybe this little hiccup will give a wake up call to Vortex QC. Either way, I'll stick with Vortex for now. I love my Viper 6.5-20 so I know they are capable of producing a nice scope at a nice price.

Hopefully they will get everything worked out. I will post pics as soon as it arrives.

Mike
San Angelo

 

[bodywerks]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing th

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McKinneyMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bodywerks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McKinneyMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am glad that you are comparing apples to apples here. A $900.00 FFP vs a SFP $1800.00 scope. Makes perfect sense to me

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It's not a comparison - not everyone is hell-bent on having FFP. Fact of the matter is, on my Milletts, for example, 99% of my shooting was done at 16x, and I never used the reticle to range anything. For what I plan to use the scope for(target competion shooting, f-class, etc.)I don't see myself needing the FFP.
If I need to range anything, I can do it at 22x, or at 11x with very basic math, and those are two fine powers of magnification for nearly all types of shooting.
My priorities have changed, that's all. My type of shooting demands premium glass and proven reliabiity/repeatability/accuracy. The nightforce has that. The PST's are too new to say for sure and I don't want to take the risk.
And like double Phoenix said, if I'm looking for 'the last scope I will ever need', I might as well spend the extra cash now... </div></div>

I understand the FFP argument. For my shooting it is not a requirement as I use a laser range finder quite often.
I also understand the NF argument too, but it is still twice the price. I simply can't see someone that can afford and wanting a NF would even consider the Viper PST though. Two different people is all I was saying.
I enjoy great glass but what I want and what I am willing to spend are two different things. Two kids in college makes my disposable income a little tighter than many I guess.
The Viper PST will satisfy my needs nicely I am sure. I love the reticle, I already own a older Viper and find it quite good for the money. I have zero doubts that the PST's will be a great product for me and my uses. </div></div>
Bearbasin.com has a deal that was too hard to pass up - up to 12 months same as cash. That's the only reason I took the plunge. I couldn't justify freeing up that much cash all at once for a scope. Plus, it was a 'happy divorce' gift to myself - that, and my new
quad

 

[thmpr]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing th

I was just about to place an order with a Vortex rep. today and found this thread. So glad I waited. Will save a few more bills for a NF.

 

[Austincqc]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing th

I can't say that I blame anybody for bailing so easily. Being a new company with a new product that has so many high expectations in a precision industry/field/art, any hiccup will smack you in the nuts pretty hard.

Every company makes mistakes. Does it look really bad if those mistakes take place with the release of a new product? Of course! That's probably the WORST time for these mistakes to rear their ugly little heads. Potential customers were worried from the beginning and are relying on these reviews to make their minds up for them instead of looking through one or buying one themself.

I think it was Mike Tyson that said, "everybody has a plan until they get hit." Well from the responses that I've seen on here and my experience with them, they are responding very well to these "hits." They passed around the customer service kool-aid at work and really backed their VIP warranty. Whereas most companies would look for reasons not to service the warranty, Vortex seems to look for reasons to service it and make the consumer happy.

For that reason, I'm still very confident that Vortex will make things right for those that have had some issue with their scopes and their Viper PSTs will be a great buy.

 

[jasonk]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing th

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AustinCQC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Being a new company with a new product that has so many high expectations in a precision industry/field/art, any hiccup will smack you in the nuts pretty hard.

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"Vortex" has been around for over 20 years, they produced optics (more birding type optics) under a different name before they got into scopes. Vortex Optics as we know them has been around about 7 years I believe. They started with hunting scopes and have grown into what they are now. Not saying good or bad, just pointing out that a lot of people don't know the history and think they've only been around a year or two.

 

[BCP]

Re: Got my Viper PST FFP in 4-16, disappointing th

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thmpr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was just about to place an order with a Vortex rep. today and found this thread. So glad I waited. Will save a few more bills for a NF. </div></div>

I don't know why people keep holding them up as an alternative to nightforce, they are 1/2 to 1/3 the price of a comparable NF scope.

A better comparison would be to the scopes put out by burris, leupold, sightron, nikon, bushnell etc.