Re: GRAPHIC - Charging bore with 1911
You guys crack me up. I prefer to hit them with the pickup.
You guys crack me up. I prefer to hit them with the pickup.
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Re: GRAPHIC - Charging bore with 1911
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jayjaytuner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">his .45 sounded like a .22
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jayjaytuner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">his .45 sounded like a .22
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If you cant kill ethically, you shouldnt be hunting. yeah hunting can get messy. It may be messy even when its done right. For example, shooting a deer in the head from 30yds with a 210g Berger VLD out of my 300winmag. Fucking gray matter all through the trees. But guess what, the deer died cleanly and ethically. What this fuckbag did was an abomination. I would never hunt with a guy like that. Do it right, or dont do it all.
If you cant kill ethically, you shouldnt be hunting. yeah hunting can get messy. It may be messy even when its done right. For example, shooting a deer in the head from 30yds with a 210g Berger VLD out of my 300winmag. Fucking gray matter all through the trees. But guess what, the deer died cleanly and ethically. What this fuckbag did was an abomination. I would never hunt with a guy like that. Do it right, or dont do it all.
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Its a clip of something to what we are not privy to the whole story.
Maybe old boy saw a iffy shot and gave the animal his space giving it time to go down rather then give chase and loosing it.
My first instict said he should have never let it get that close to begin with.
It is what it is.
Killing is never a perfect ending
Its a clip of something to what we are not privy to the whole story.
Maybe old boy saw a iffy shot and gave the animal his space giving it time to go down rather then give chase and loosing it.
My first instict said he should have never let it get that close to begin with.
It is what it is.
Killing is never a perfect ending
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drifter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Boys no matter how you slice it that pig is on its way in, ethics had zero to do with that business. I am guessing that dude shat himself, and I also am guessing his rifle was empty by the time that pistol came into play.
Those hogs are tough as nails. </div></div>
Well said.
Sometimes shit happens in the business of killing things.
Killing is messy...get over it.
I don't like missing either, but can and does happen. That wasn't much of a charge, but you can be assured it would elevate the hell out of anyone's heart rate... Watching a video does not give one much of a perspective.
Go hunt Africa and you too will screw a few shots. Ask anyone that has been there done that.
Being prepared for this inevitability allows one to instantly recover from a mistake and take the appropriate corrective action.
In a recent Grizzly defense thread there were numerous guys contending that a Glock 40 was both enough gun to stop a pissed (and charging) Grizz as well as a good platform to make the hit. They all seemed to think they could make the hit in the heat of the moment....Well..That just isn't going to happen.
Matter of fact that same guys would likely miss with a rifle as they have no idea of the pure stress they will face.
Showing up with an overconfident mindset is a sure recipe for failure. The shift from supremely confident to completely rattled takes a millisecond as the shit hits the fan. The revelation we all face of our true insignificance on the food chain combined with the view over our very unsteady sights rattles our confidence and crushes our abilities.
Being physiologically prepared (through realistic visualization) is half the battle...So prepare yourself or you too will fail....Even with a little pig.
Just sayin'
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fwiw,
Concur. I hate to resort to movie lines, however, there was a lot of truth in Tommy Lee Jones discussions of the certainty of a kill between man and animal in NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN. Of course all internet shot placement is perfect. Used to be known as type writer shots.
I've found killing predators, of whatever kind, can be anything but a sure thing...
Regards, Matt Garrett
757-581-6270
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drifter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Boys no matter how you slice it that pig is on its way in, ethics had zero to do with that business. I am guessing that dude shat himself, and I also am guessing his rifle was empty by the time that pistol came into play.
Those hogs are tough as nails. </div></div>
Well said.
Sometimes shit happens in the business of killing things.
Killing is messy...get over it.
I don't like missing either, but can and does happen. That wasn't much of a charge, but you can be assured it would elevate the hell out of anyone's heart rate... Watching a video does not give one much of a perspective.
Go hunt Africa and you too will screw a few shots. Ask anyone that has been there done that.
Being prepared for this inevitability allows one to instantly recover from a mistake and take the appropriate corrective action.
In a recent Grizzly defense thread there were numerous guys contending that a Glock 40 was both enough gun to stop a pissed (and charging) Grizz as well as a good platform to make the hit. They all seemed to think they could make the hit in the heat of the moment....Well..That just isn't going to happen.
Matter of fact that same guys would likely miss with a rifle as they have no idea of the pure stress they will face.
Showing up with an overconfident mindset is a sure recipe for failure. The shift from supremely confident to completely rattled takes a millisecond as the shit hits the fan. The revelation we all face of our true insignificance on the food chain combined with the view over our very unsteady sights rattles our confidence and crushes our abilities.
Being physiologically prepared (through realistic visualization) is half the battle...So prepare yourself or you too will fail....Even with a little pig.
Just sayin'
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fwiw,
Concur. I hate to resort to movie lines, however, there was a lot of truth in Tommy Lee Jones discussions of the certainty of a kill between man and animal in NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN. Of course all internet shot placement is perfect. Used to be known as type writer shots.
I've found killing predators, of whatever kind, can be anything but a sure thing...
Regards, Matt Garrett
757-581-6270
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Don't understand why there is always an ethical debate on this stuff. Like the other post with the guy with the mini-gun shooting hogs. This pig was already wounded or it would of been moving towards this guy a lot faster. Im going to say all these people bitching about a clean kill don't have hog problems in their back yards. Down here in south texas, we often eradicated hogs by helicopter, what kind of perfect shot placement do y'all think happens there. They are also usually killed around deer feeders where there is a whole group of them and they get opened up on, often at night. This is done to kill as many as possible due to the destructiveness of them. In any case, dead is dead. It really does not matter much anyway the way the damn things reproduce. Sorry we can't put little piggy to sleep before they are killed.
Don't understand why there is always an ethical debate on this stuff. Like the other post with the guy with the mini-gun shooting hogs. This pig was already wounded or it would of been moving towards this guy a lot faster. Im going to say all these people bitching about a clean kill don't have hog problems in their back yards. Down here in south texas, we often eradicated hogs by helicopter, what kind of perfect shot placement do y'all think happens there. They are also usually killed around deer feeders where there is a whole group of them and they get opened up on, often at night. This is done to kill as many as possible due to the destructiveness of them. In any case, dead is dead. It really does not matter much anyway the way the damn things reproduce. Sorry we can't put little piggy to sleep before they are killed.
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I have seen this posted elsewhere on this forum so this isn't an original thought...
Isn't it funny how we get wrapped around ethics? Shoot an animal more than once, make a bad shot and gut shoot it, take 7 rounds to finish off a hog and we have a freakin pity party for an animal.
As we speak we have men fighting, and killing, other men in foreign countries. They do not use the most effective ammunition and a gut shot is as good as a kill. And this is against another human being.
I am not anti war in the least and my post is not to protest war, only to point out how I find it interesting that we call 7 shots to kill a hog bad form, yet I am certain our enemies are often not afforded as quick and as humane of a kill that this animal had. So I just find the concept of ethics in killing interesting.
Someone said wait til PETA gets ahold of this. So what if they have issue with it, they have issue with the killing of any animal. Killing is ugly, whether man or beast. As a police officer I have been involved in the taking of lives and watching lives being taken. As a life long hunter I have killed many animals. It has never been pretty.
I realize that now I will get criticism for drawing a parallel between hunting and war time killing, go ahead. My point is that some are frustated for the caliber, weapon or shot placement used on an animal, yet that same caliber, weapon or shot placement on an enemy combatant across the ocean wouldn't cause most to blink an eye.
I have seen this posted elsewhere on this forum so this isn't an original thought...
Isn't it funny how we get wrapped around ethics? Shoot an animal more than once, make a bad shot and gut shoot it, take 7 rounds to finish off a hog and we have a freakin pity party for an animal.
As we speak we have men fighting, and killing, other men in foreign countries. They do not use the most effective ammunition and a gut shot is as good as a kill. And this is against another human being.
I am not anti war in the least and my post is not to protest war, only to point out how I find it interesting that we call 7 shots to kill a hog bad form, yet I am certain our enemies are often not afforded as quick and as humane of a kill that this animal had. So I just find the concept of ethics in killing interesting.
Someone said wait til PETA gets ahold of this. So what if they have issue with it, they have issue with the killing of any animal. Killing is ugly, whether man or beast. As a police officer I have been involved in the taking of lives and watching lives being taken. As a life long hunter I have killed many animals. It has never been pretty.
I realize that now I will get criticism for drawing a parallel between hunting and war time killing, go ahead. My point is that some are frustated for the caliber, weapon or shot placement used on an animal, yet that same caliber, weapon or shot placement on an enemy combatant across the ocean wouldn't cause most to blink an eye.
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For what its worth, I had a guy bring video to me years back of a 30 06 glance off a hogs head in TX. Maybe it was just a freak angle thing, but it happened.
For what its worth, I had a guy bring video to me years back of a 30 06 glance off a hogs head in TX. Maybe it was just a freak angle thing, but it happened.
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Why are people posting and distributing videos like this and in the same time complaing about anti-gun/hunting people!
This is ammunition for your opponents, and to make things even worse videos like this can be manipulated to look far vorse than it actually is or was.
Why are people posting and distributing videos like this and in the same time complaing about anti-gun/hunting people!
This is ammunition for your opponents, and to make things even worse videos like this can be manipulated to look far vorse than it actually is or was.
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breath site sight alighment trigger control.... what a douche
breath site sight alighment trigger control.... what a douche
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+1 on killing is messy
+1 on he shat his pants with that thing running at him
Also who knows what the circumstances before the video actually were. We got to see a clip of when his SHTF with that pig. So I wouldn't judge anything off this media spun video.
+1 on killing is messy
+1 on he shat his pants with that thing running at him
Also who knows what the circumstances before the video actually were. We got to see a clip of when his SHTF with that pig. So I wouldn't judge anything off this media spun video.
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Shot Placement sucked. He Screwed up, should have had reloaded Primary weapon. Put the camera down and shoot. Hunting is a contact sport. Do your prep work and silly ass things like this will be limited.
Shot Placement sucked. He Screwed up, should have had reloaded Primary weapon. Put the camera down and shoot. Hunting is a contact sport. Do your prep work and silly ass things like this will be limited.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, there is nothing "humane" about that video! </div></div>
Yeah I can't believe he didn't at least offer the pig an anesthetic before poking holes in it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, there is nothing "humane" about that video! </div></div>
Yeah I can't believe he didn't at least offer the pig an anesthetic before poking holes in it.
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Everyone wants to have a pity party for the pig, but no one freaks out about ethics when it comes to pdog hunting. At least you can eat a pig. I don't suspect anyone is picking up the pieces of the pdog and roasting them over a fire.
I bring this up to make a point, I have no issue ethically or personally with this....
Everyone wants to have a pity party for the pig, but no one freaks out about ethics when it comes to pdog hunting. At least you can eat a pig. I don't suspect anyone is picking up the pieces of the pdog and roasting them over a fire.
I bring this up to make a point, I have no issue ethically or personally with this....
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I dont have a problem with this as i dont know the whole story, but i dont think it should be posted online. just more ammo for the tree huggers.
That being said, the guy should have been less concerned with the camera shot at that point and used both hands to place the best shots possible. it wouldnt bother me if it took him 4 magazines and the thing suffered and died of boredom from horrible shot placement, but i believe he should have put his reasonable best effort into killing it as fast as possible.
I dont have a problem with this as i dont know the whole story, but i dont think it should be posted online. just more ammo for the tree huggers.
That being said, the guy should have been less concerned with the camera shot at that point and used both hands to place the best shots possible. it wouldnt bother me if it took him 4 magazines and the thing suffered and died of boredom from horrible shot placement, but i believe he should have put his reasonable best effort into killing it as fast as possible.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That pig would have made paper machete out of the guy.</div></div>
LOL! The mental image to this one was confusing, but amusing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was the 50cent of hogs. </div></div>
The Fiddy Cent of hogs you mean.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That pig would have made paper machete out of the guy.</div></div>
LOL! The mental image to this one was confusing, but amusing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was the 50cent of hogs. </div></div>
The Fiddy Cent of hogs you mean.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: netranger6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fuck that pig. Let em squeal. </div></div>
Yep, pigs are pests to be eradicated by any and all means available. They are not game animals and any talk of "ethical harvesting" is for the PETA types.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: netranger6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fuck that pig. Let em squeal. </div></div>
Yep, pigs are pests to be eradicated by any and all means available. They are not game animals and any talk of "ethical harvesting" is for the PETA types.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jethro21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> weapon or shot placement used on an animal, yet that same caliber, weapon or shot placement on an enemy combatant across the ocean wouldn't cause most to blink an eye. </div></div>
An enemy implies some sort of choice and motivation. If your choice/motivation moves you to try to hurt me, you can die however is necessary (fast, slow, 1 shot, 1000 shots, sharp knives, pointy sticks, whatever). You started it or support it, you don't get a say in how I end it. Don't want to suffer? Don't start shit or stand still so I can finish you quickly.
The pig was not an enemy, he would have been fine just standing there minding his own business. The fact is that as a hunter you _choose_ to end the animal's life on your terms. You're not starving, fighting for survival or any some such, you're choosing to take it's life for your own purposes. Unless you're some sadistic bastard, the least you can do is don't make it suffer for something it had no part in choosing.
I hunt, and I don't feel bad about the killing. What I do feel bad about is when I screw up and see the animal suffering. I'm looking to fill the primal need of getting my own food, I don't believe their is a primal need to see creatures suffer.
Also, we don't know the back story yet but seriously I think anyone can reload their rifle faster than they can break out a camera and advance 100 yards or more with a sidearm, but then again I'm not looking for youtube fame.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jethro21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> weapon or shot placement used on an animal, yet that same caliber, weapon or shot placement on an enemy combatant across the ocean wouldn't cause most to blink an eye. </div></div>
An enemy implies some sort of choice and motivation. If your choice/motivation moves you to try to hurt me, you can die however is necessary (fast, slow, 1 shot, 1000 shots, sharp knives, pointy sticks, whatever). You started it or support it, you don't get a say in how I end it. Don't want to suffer? Don't start shit or stand still so I can finish you quickly.
The pig was not an enemy, he would have been fine just standing there minding his own business. The fact is that as a hunter you _choose_ to end the animal's life on your terms. You're not starving, fighting for survival or any some such, you're choosing to take it's life for your own purposes. Unless you're some sadistic bastard, the least you can do is don't make it suffer for something it had no part in choosing.
I hunt, and I don't feel bad about the killing. What I do feel bad about is when I screw up and see the animal suffering. I'm looking to fill the primal need of getting my own food, I don't believe their is a primal need to see creatures suffer.
Also, we don't know the back story yet but seriously I think anyone can reload their rifle faster than they can break out a camera and advance 100 yards or more with a sidearm, but then again I'm not looking for youtube fame.
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Placement counts. Ammo selection does as well. Is he shooting hollowpoints, FMJ, +P's, what?
I think the reason the boar was charging slowly was because he had a broken back leg. Otherwise, he's in on the hunter before he has time to wait for him to get right before he starts spraying and praying.
BTW, for those that have never killed a big pig, it isn't as easy as you think. Often the weapon of choice is a 22! I have news though. If you don't hit them with a 22 directly in the right spot, they will be even more ticked off than punching BIG holes with a 45.
Placement counts. Ammo selection does as well. Is he shooting hollowpoints, FMJ, +P's, what?
I think the reason the boar was charging slowly was because he had a broken back leg. Otherwise, he's in on the hunter before he has time to wait for him to get right before he starts spraying and praying.
BTW, for those that have never killed a big pig, it isn't as easy as you think. Often the weapon of choice is a 22! I have news though. If you don't hit them with a 22 directly in the right spot, they will be even more ticked off than punching BIG holes with a 45.
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Pigs are tough critters. I don't have any trust for wild animals especially when they are hurt. He could have used a more powerful revolver cartridge and taken a more carefully placed shot but he didn't.
Can't read the guys mind but the situation looks a bit off to me.
Pigs are tough critters. I don't have any trust for wild animals especially when they are hurt. He could have used a more powerful revolver cartridge and taken a more carefully placed shot but he didn't.
Can't read the guys mind but the situation looks a bit off to me.
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Shit happens. Not ideal, but I have little remorse for the animal.
More than any moral issue, it serves as embarrassment to the shooter/hunter for performing poorly.
Do I really care if this pig took 8-10 rounds over 5 minutes before it died?
No.
Would you rather it get sick and be ripped apart by a natural predator? Stuck by an arrow and left to bleed out?
Like I said, it's not ideal, and the manner in which things went down with the gear he had only reflects poorly on the hunter's marksmanship.
Edit: Could be worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkN6C1ur1t8
Shit happens. Not ideal, but I have little remorse for the animal.
More than any moral issue, it serves as embarrassment to the shooter/hunter for performing poorly.
Do I really care if this pig took 8-10 rounds over 5 minutes before it died?
No.
Would you rather it get sick and be ripped apart by a natural predator? Stuck by an arrow and left to bleed out?
Like I said, it's not ideal, and the manner in which things went down with the gear he had only reflects poorly on the hunter's marksmanship.
Edit: Could be worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkN6C1ur1t8
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