Guaging interest in Savage MKII Chassis..

[BenY 2013]

I AM NOT committing to anything in this thread, just seeing how much interest there actually is in some kind of chassis for the Savage rimfire actions. Everyone says they really want one, but talk is cheap when it really comes down to it.

I have a few questions for the guys who are interested.

1. Would you prefer an AICS chassis that takes the AICS/Viperskins, or something totally different like a Mcree, XLR, KRG, etc.?

2. What would you be willing to pay for something like this?

3. How do you feel the action should be seated into the chassis? V-block? What?

I thought I had more questions but maybe they will come back to me after awhile. The whole reason I ask is my boss told me that as I work he wants me to be thinking of new things that the company could offer, and I have seen quite a bit of this thing over the past year or so. If there is enough interest and would be enough of a profit I believe he might be interested. If not it is possible that I could do it myself in some of my free time at work, not saying that's what will happen but there is a chance.

Making the AICS chassis in all honestly isn't that difficult IF you get a system down, and the CNC machine would allow me to do just that. I do not have the specs on the MKII action so something would have to be worked out there.

Lemme know what you guys think.

Ben

 

[dragonflysix]

id love one that fits a 93r

 

[muddawg]

I'd be interested if the pricing was right.

 

[NewsShooter]

I'd be interested, I have a savage 12 in a McCree that I really like, AI would be good too.

 

[BenY 2013]

I'm not sure of a price point, would really like all of your thoughts on it! I'm not sure if it will be for different actions yet. And like I said it might not even happen, I am just brainstorming!

Ben

 

[mr2.0]

Yup talk is cheap, " you build it and they will come". Been signing up for many but all they did was talk. I would ditch Boyd tactical wood stock and buy a chassis from you if the price is right

 

[Rover31]

McCree for me

 

[zepheris.hk]

AI for a MkII, if the price is right.

 

[BenY 2013]

Ok well what are you guys thinking is a "right" price?

Ben

 

[dragonflysix]

under a bill for a Chassis is about as high as I would go

 

[BenY 2013]

I'm guessing you mean $100? Really? That wouldn't even be worth my time once materials for the chassis were paid for. Is that what everyone is thinking as far as price?

Ben

 

[mr2.0]

I would pay around-$250

 

[jbjh]

$250-300 for an XLR

 

[zepheris.hk]

I would pay around-$250

Likewise. $250-300 for me.

I do realize that creating a chassis from the ground up to fit the MKII would take time and effort, but I am skeptical if you'll find many buyers willing to pay 400-500 for a chassis that will take AI skins. Especially since people have been able to modify the Airsoft AI chassis to work for about $150 bucks. Just my perspective though, can't speak for everyone else. IMO, That's probably why you don't see too many chassis being sold for that platform. Probably not enough margin for someone to produce them.

 

[enough]

OP - you'd be farther ahead to estimate a price and see if folks would go for it.

For a chassis, I'd be 100% at $100 and 0% at $350.

For a mcree, I'd be 100% at $300 and 0% at $600.

 

[ZombieSlayer]

Everyone says they really want one, but talk is cheap when it really comes down to it. Yes it is, so stop talking about it.

1. Would you prefer an AICS chassis that takes the AICS/Viperskins, or something totally different like a Mcree, XLR, KRG, etc.? Already have 3 in skins but you would know this already

2. What would you be willing to pay for something like this? interesting question. More interesting how much RnD have youdone in making?

3. How do you feel the action should be seated into the chassis? V-block? What? Pretty sure that's up to the designers of a product. then test, review, retest....

my boss told me that as I work he wants me to be thinking of new things that the company could offer, More thinking and less copying then.

I do not have the specs on the MKII action so something would have to be worked out there. did I mention RnD or do you just want me to send you a CADdrawing? ?

Lemme know what you guys think. I think the colour of the sky can be a little dark at night.

Ben

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[BenY 2013]

ZombieSlayer, you mentioned in your thread that you were not interested in selling them. It's not like it was even your idea in the 1st place, this was being done long before your thread started. I HAVE made my own before and it worked really well. I spent hours dreaming that thing up and slowly bringing it to life. Mine is also bolted together instead of welded so I am not copying your idea. I also asked about making something besides AICS which would be totally different. If you want to make them and sell them then more power to you! I believe you would sell quite a few! But I don't think it is right to gripe at someone else for thinking about doing the same.

To everyone else, I believe that $200-300 could most likely be done. I think something besides the AICS should be done, been overdone quite a bit. I may see what I can think up.

Ben

 

[Snake-Eyes]

If you're making it from scratch, then something like the McRee G5 TMAG Model 8.
Compact Fldr AR

Accepts AR stocks and grips. And it folds nicely. Keep the bulk down, and it would make a great pack gun.

Please don't surround the barrel with a built in shroud or extended top rail. That just adds weight, wastes material, and increases costs for what, the random ability to put night vision on a 22?
Also, personally, I don't need it to look like there's a fake .308 mag in there...

$250 for that folding "chassis", not including a grip or buttstock, would be great.

 

[Mike_in_FL]

PDC Custom makes a chassis for both the 93 and MkII actions. Their prices range from 400 - 525 depending on options. Even though I own a MkII, I'm not interested in a chassis from anybody.

 

[dwt]

No interest for me .

 

[Madzooki]

Id be interested in a chassis in the 200-300 dollar range. Mcree would be fine. Hell you could make it accept the AR buffer tube, butt stock, and grip and call it done. I dont even care if it folds.

Paul

 

[maclowry]

Add me to the list.
Was thinking of getting a tacticool, but if a chassis comes out, that would be better

 

[defcon]

$250-300 for an XLR

this. or something similar in the design

wouldnt it be easier to just pay for the licensing of an original design like the XLR or McRee so you can custom fit them for different .22 actions?

 

[ZombieSlayer]

ha. just stirring you up cos it seems like you want to make a product without understanding or knowing much about the gun itself and if it would be possible to do at a price point.

You need to know what machine time is worth as well as the operator to push the buttons. You need to figure out what finish its likely to have, and cost that doing it in house (is more equipment purchases required to do that?) or contracted out at what rate. Add in materials, RnD time. testing, prototyping, modifying. more prototypes. Without having a actual product made its like asking how long is a piece of string. Will it be made from billet one piece (greater machining time, cost, wear, expense etc), will it be grafted or bolt together, What weight do you want it to be? as its easy to go too heavy on a rimfire stock. The problem with this type of stuff is its for a $300 gun but gun owners as a general rule don't like to cut corners so they'll be thinking its a $300 gun so I'll spend 300 on a stock and its that simple. Sure a $700 stock would be nicer, but then why not buy a $1000 gun straight up instead like a PWS or something. You really need to have a concept. Make up some for testing and evaluation and advertise them at the price point you need to sell them at and see if there is a market for them or not. May find the price that will sell them for isn't enough to make it worth it and there are better things to do with machine time. You may find people like them but not at the price that is required to make a profit and make it worth the time and effort. There have been numerous threads here asking basically the same question with none that I've seen responded to by the OP saying here it is who wants to order one to ship to you. Just fizzle out. Noone is gonna put money down on an idea without seeing a product. So you need to get the scrapbook out. Start scribbling out some ideas and concept drawings, Think about what the cost would be and the time to make them. Might find it to be better off to work on a bedding block that takes a currently available quad rail of some kind and fits AR grips and buttstocks.

 

[Madzooki]

Left handed needs to be an option as well.

Paul

 

[BenY 2013]

ha. just stirring you up cos it seems like you want to make a product without understanding or knowing much about the gun itself and if it would be possible to do at a price point.

You need to know what machine time is worth as well as the operator to push the buttons. You need to figure out what finish its likely to have, and cost that doing it in house (is more equipment purchases required to do that?) or contracted out at what rate. Add in materials, RnD time. testing, prototyping, modifying. more prototypes. Without having a actual product made its like asking how long is a piece of string. Will it be made from billet one piece (greater machining time, cost, wear, expense etc), will it be grafted or bolt together, What weight do you want it to be? as its easy to go too heavy on a rimfire stock. The problem with this type of stuff is its for a $300 gun but gun owners as a general rule don't like to cut corners so they'll be thinking its a $300 gun so I'll spend 300 on a stock and its that simple. Sure a $700 stock would be nicer, but then why not buy a $1000 gun straight up instead like a PWS or something. You really need to have a concept. Make up some for testing and evaluation and advertise them at the price point you need to sell them at and see if there is a market for them or not. May find the price that will sell them for isn't enough to make it worth it and there are better things to do with machine time. You may find people like them but not at the price that is required to make a profit and make it worth the time and effort. There have been numerous threads here asking basically the same question with none that I've seen responded to by the OP saying here it is who wants to order one to ship to you. Just fizzle out. Noone is gonna put money down on an idea without seeing a product. So you need to get the scrapbook out. Start scribbling out some ideas and concept drawings, Think about what the cost would be and the time to make them. Might find it to be better off to work on a bedding block that takes a currently available quad rail of some kind and fits AR grips and buttstocks.

I understand what machine time is as I am currently one of the machine operators for out shop! This whole thread was just to figure out people wanted and what they would be, and I have gotten some really great feedback as to design and price! What to add and what not to! I'm not trying to sell a certain product yet, I'm still brainstorming!

Snake-eyes that is exactly what I'm looking for! I appreciate the feedback! I appreciate everyone's feedback! Even people saying they would not be interested, certainly isn't for everyone!

Ben

 

[Ring]

this is a compact 700 chassis..

not much to it... if you sold like this, no stock/grip, no reason it can be done for 150$

MDT LSS Chassis System
MDT LSS Chassis system for Remington 700
CA$399.00

• Weight: 1.6lb
• Designed for AR-15 collapsible butt-stocks. (except UBR)
• 

 

[BenY 2013]

I like that except for maybe the forend, but I figure alot of people like the idea of customizing their own like this type of chassis would allow!

Ben

 

[mr2.0]

Anything that you can add AR15 butt and grip is a plus cause it far cheaper than the skin to order.

 

[z71rat]

this is a compact 700 chassis..

not much to it... if you sold like this, no stock/grip, no reason it can be done for 150$

MDT LSS Chassis System
MDT LSS Chassis system for Remington 700
CA$399.00

• Weight: 1.6lb
• Designed for AR-15 collapsible butt-stocks. (except UBR)
• 

Make that for an MKII, keep the price from being crazy, and I will be getting one... quick!!

DK

 

[ZombieSlayer]

this is a compact 700 chassis..

not much to it... if you sold like this, no stock/grip, no reason it can be done for 150$

MDT LSS Chassis System
MDT LSS Chassis system for Remington 700
CA$399.00


Weight: 1.6lb
Designed for AR-15 collapsible butt-stocks. (except UBR)[

This post is exactly what I mean. Compare a product that will easily sell in the thousands of units for $400 but make a similar product to fit a much cheaper rifle and very few people will be prepared to pay the same price. Drop quality to match the price and maintain a suitable margin and even less people are likely to buy it. It's the nature of the beast and something very hard to get right.

Nobody buys a Savage 22 because they are the best around. Generally they shoot well but they tend to be finished roughly and a little end user refinement doesn't hurt. It might be a better option to look at a rifle someone with a little more money is likely to buy, one with a slightly better finish instead. The sort of rimfires you see put into $600+, 6-12 month backorder stocks.

The other downside to the Savage if you compare it to the likes of a CZ, PWS or anything with a larger action. Might not notice it so much on a factory rimfire stock but put it in a full size centrefire replica stock and they can look out of place, toyish if you will.

You may sell multiple times more if you can do it cheaper but your more likely as a business to make it a better product set your margin (higher) and see how it goes. You can always drop your price if the market isn't there but increase it for no other reason than profit and your only going to be shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[BERTMAN77MK2]

Keep at it, great idea at the <$300 mark. With the price of the necessary centerfire rifles snd high-end scopes, I for 1 cannot afford an Anchutz or 40X for a rimfire trainer. I have not yet seen stocks or chassis yet, so keep us informed

 

[BenY 2013]

I understand not everyone is wanting to spend a lot on a chassis for a $150 gun. I understand that, the only reason I started this idea for the Savage is because so many people have them. I'd much rather build it for a CZ as that is what I own, it may be for CZ as well. If I could make it fit together something like a Mcree chassis and just have the middle machined for a different action that would be much more simple in my opinion. I'll have to pic up a MkII before this goes much further. I guess I could always borrow one from a family member.

I do want to say that IF this thing ever does happen it'll be awhile. Right now the CNC mill at work is swamped. It is always running parts(trying to keep up with two CNC lathes). So before I would even consider mentioning this to my boss something is going to have to give so a machine would be free to run these.

What do you guys think of a setup like the MDT chassis above in the thread being smaller and light, but it bolting together something like the Mcree? That way you could have the middle for different action inlets and then the user could put whatever forearm they wanted on plain, tube, etc.! Then you could also do what ever buttstock you want AR, Mcree/Xlrish, etc.! Thoughts???

Ben

 

[Snake-Eyes]

To make a "folding option" more cost effective, could you make the main receiver/chassis compatible with one of these:
ACE Folding Stock Mechanism Modular Receiver Blocks

And, therefore, one of these, too:
ACE AR-15 Stock Interface Modular Receiver Blocks

If so, I imagine the price would be little lower since its seems to be more of a receiver chassis, requiring user-supplied forearms, sticks, and grips.

 

[Merlin O]

Make that for an MKII, keep the price from being crazy, and I will be getting one... quick!!

DK

I don't currently have a Savage but would buy one if this type of modular "chassis/stock center" was available for ~200-300..... Like most of the other kids I like tacticool looking stuff....

 

[mr2.0]

Honestly, I don't see this gonna happens at all. Prove me wrong!!!

 

[THE MGD]

Yes I'd Buy one, V block yes. Id pay up to 350$ and up to 450$ for a lightweight (ti?) model or folder.

 

[Snake-Eyes]

A better idea of how the on-the-shelf adapter would work:




And more pics and explanation:
(M4-M-FS) M4 Six Position, Side Folding Collapsable Stock

If you can mill that little oblong oval thing, then the individual owners can put a fixed AR stock, folder AR, or any of the other style stock adapters...

 

[RicosRevenge]

No dog in this fight as my 40X already resides in an AICS... but as long as your designing something; why not have the v-block interchangeable to accept different rifles? Skins will need to be modified for regardless; but if the chassis can accept a model specific piece to bolt into the chassis; wouldn't that be a "win" and increase potential customers?

Sometimes a shotgun is a better tool than a rifle.

 

[BenY 2013]

Honestly, I don't see this gonna happens at all. Prove me wrong!!!

No one is making you look at this thread, it may never happen, as I stated in my original post! I'm just bouncing ideas around. So yes it may never happen. But with that attitude not much would ever get accomplished I guess..

I do like the idea of a folder but I think that the gun would have to have at least an 18" barrel or it would be under 26" overall with the stock folded.

Ben

 

[Snake-Eyes]

...I do like the idea of a folder but I think that the gun would have to have at least an 18" barrel or it would be under 26" overall with the stock folded.

Ben

I know for a fact that the folded length doesn't matter. Even the minimum collapsed stock length doesn't matter. The 26" means that at some point, even if it means you extend the stock out to it's 6th/farthest position, the rifle is 26" or longer overall, then you are legal.

The minimum barrel length for a rifle must be 16", though.

If you break 26" overall or 16" barrel, then you need a $200 tax stamp because it becomes an NFA item.

So, bottom line, if you produce a receiver/chassis setup with the ability to put a standard stock and a 16" barrel to get an OAL of as close to 26" as possible, then that would be great.

 

[BenY 2013]

I know for a fact that the folded length doesn't matter. Even the minimum collapsed stock length doesn't matter. The 26" means that at some point, even if it means you extend the stock out to it's 6th/farthest position, the rifle is 26" or longer overall, then you are legal.

The minimum barrel length for a rifle must be 16", though.

If you break 26" overall or 16" barrel, then you need a $200 tax stamp because it becomes an NFA item.

So, bottom line, if you produce a receiver/chassis setup with the ability to put a standard stock and a 16" barrel to get an OAL of as close to 26" as possible, then that would be great.

Ok, someone told me 18", I apologize for spreading false information. I do really like the idea of a folder and I don't think it would be that hard at all to incorporate. Only thing is if I add the hardware mentioned that will also drive the price of the chassis up some. Just things to think about!

Ben

 

[Snake-Eyes]

18" is the minimum length for shotgun barrels, without a stamp.

As for the hardware, you don't have to add it. However, if you are planning on doing this chassis as a long-term project, then yeah, you'd be tying your chassis to the ACE adapters.
I thought of it mostly as a quick solution to the issue of a user-provided stock attachment with plenty of options.

If someone else wants to make a limited run, the ACE adapter would work.

 

[mr2.0]

No one is making you look at this thread, it may never happen, as I stated in my original post! I'm just bouncing ideas around. So yes it may never happen. But with that attitude not much would ever get accomplished I guess..

I do like the idea of a folder but I think that the gun would have to have at least an 18" barrel or it would be under 26" overall with the stock folded.

Ben

Talk is cheap and you are still talking....I don't see you accomplishing anything either. Not like you are inventing something that is not done for other rifles out there already.

 

[mr2.0]

I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but I would want to piss you off so you can go get them mass produce already so I can buy one from you lol.

 

[triceratops3]

I wouldn't buy one right now since I'm a broke college kid, but I would definitely be interested in one in the future. As others have said, probably less than 300. But I was wondering, would it be possible to design a type of "adapter" so that it would change the footprint of the .22 action into that of a standard centerfire action? such as adapting the action of a mkII savage into that of a normal savage short action? Then you could use any centerfire stock.

But then just thinking about it a bit more in-depth while typing this I realize that may not be the best option because of the differences in the dimensions and still retaining the detachable mag functionality through the mag wells possibly. But even if you could still work the mag through the magwell the relation of where the bolt handle rests in the stock to where the mag well would be. (I would think it would be further on the centerfire than the rimfire and the rimfire may not fit at all). I don't know if that makes sense. But I thought of the idea and thought that would be the perfect idea, but then thought about it again and think that it may not even be feasable..

And even if that could work, as was by people before me, I guess people wouldn't really want to be paying hundreds of dollars for a chassis or stock for a $200 gun, so it would be better to make a dedicated chassis for a couple hundred bucks.


**Oh and I almost forgot: A left handed version would be a good option to have for us lefties..

 

[BenY 2013]

Really getting tired thread crappers.....

Anyhow to the other posts I do believe that it could be designed in three pieces. A forearm, middle(action inlet) and a buttstock. That way you could have the middle sections inletted for whatever centerfire or rimfire. The magazine wouldn't be too hard of an issue.

I may be getting a little ahead of myself here, and no one else may think it is a good idea but I'll share anyways! I have been thinking of trying to make at least one of the chassis, maybe the 1st and only of this type accept S&W M&P 15-22 10rd magazines. I think that would be a really neat thing compared to what is already out there. Thoughts?

I played around on a CNC program a little bit today on the middle section. I don't think this thing will be too hard to build, just going to take some time to design. And then time to actually run the darn thing!

Ben

 

[Snake-Eyes]

If it takes AR-style 15-22 mags, then "No, Thanks".

My vote for the AR stocks & grips were for ease of customization and cheap-yet-field-proven parts. A gigantic magazine sticking out the bottom yielding the same capacity as the factory Savage 10-rd yet much more cumbersome? Nah. No, thanks.

 

[bigfug]

this is a compact 700 chassis..

not much to it... if you sold like this, no stock/grip, no reason it can be done for 150$

MDT LSS Chassis System
MDT LSS Chassis system for Remington 700
CA$399.00

• Weight: 1.6lb
• Designed for AR-15 collapsible butt-stocks. (except UBR)
• 

You could use a barrel nut or something so that an AR forend could be used, similiar to the JP chassis. if it could be designed so that an action "insert" or something could be used to swap for different actions, might cut down on machine time, and allow you a broader customer base

 

[Jerz_Subbie]

Man, a TON of negativity here! I'd be interested in an XLR style chassis for $250. Something like that MDT LSS modular setup for $150'ish w/ a tubular forend would be nice too.

My FVSR is my favorite gun currently. I have it in a Tacticool but the $100 stock is crap wood. Considering the time, materials, and effort I've put into making this thing better, I'd gladly pay $150-180 for a hardwood version w/ tighter inlet and pillars.