Suppressors Guestion about fighting 1911s

[Patrick_S]

Does anyone build 1911s these days to original mil-spec? Reason I ask is that if someone wanted a CCW 1911 that would run day in, day out, wet, muddy, sandy, ect wouldn't the original spec be better than some of todays custom/semi-custom "tight fit" guns? I envision a "loose" 1911 with modern ergo updates like beaver-tail, grips, checkering, ect. I have a 1918 built 1911 that runs no matter what, can't say the same for some of the modern 1911s I have shot.

My perfect 1911 would be an original with a beavertail, SA magwell, and modern sights. Really, what else does JMB's design need to work as a fighting tool?

 

[Trigg]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

You can have tight fit and reliability. I don't see why you have to trade one for the other.

 

[Downzero]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

I can't imagine why anyone would think that building them like the military did 100 years ago would result in something more reliable than the CNC/computerized production processes today.

Manufactured products are a million times better today than they were 100 years ago.

Short of tightening a 1911 into a bullsye gun, it seems to me that most 1911s on the market are sufficiently sloppy to be reliable.

Hell, most modern Springfields and Tauruses are sloppy as hell anyway.

 

[mj2evans]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

GI spec? You don't want to shoot hollow points? As good as JMB was the 1911 has had some refinements over its lifetime. Other than shooting crappy ammo in them its hard to make a decent maker's 1911 choke (please don't shoot commi Wolf in a JMB weapon).

 

[Trigg]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

I think a lot of 1911 issues could be solved if people didn't cheap out on magazines. If my 1911 wouldn't shoot Wolf, I wouldn't want it.

 

[Downzero]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

Before I started loading my own, all I shot through my 1911 was wolf ammo.

Ammo snobs annoy me. I've shot tens of thousands of rounds of both Wolf and lead/moly bullet reloads. Cheaper ammo is absolutely essential to allow those of us without unlimited money to be able to practice and gain the skills that will save our lives in a tough situation. Targets don't care how much you paid for the bullet that hits them.

 

[Trigg]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Before I started loading my own, all I shot through my 1911 was wolf ammo.

Ammo snobs annoy me. I've shot tens of thousands of rounds of both Wolf and lead/moly bullet reloads. Cheaper ammo is absolutely essential to allow those of us without unlimited money to be able to practice and gain the skills that will save our lives in a tough situation. Targets don't care how much you paid for the bullet that hits them. </div></div>

Or what country they were made in...

 

[kraigWY]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

The one gun I trust, from the OPs discription is nothing more then an USGI 1911A1. They rattle, they are loose, they work.

I know for a fact, if you car crawling in some dark muddy tunnel the gun is gonna get caked with mud. Water will pour out the barrel, BUT, when the chips are down, it will fire, the same gun will stil group inside the 8 ring of a B-27 target at 25 yards.

If I was ever to have to go into the same situation, I would want nothing else.

I have a Colt Series 70 Gold Cup, that I tighten up ever year or so (my bullseye pistol). It reliable, I have no problems with it. But I have crawled to mud in SE Asia again, I'm afraid I'd leave it home and take my 1911A1.

 

[Patrick_S]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mj2evans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GI spec? You don't want to shoot hollow points? As good as JMB was the 1911 has had some refinements over its lifetime. Other than shooting crappy ammo in them its hard to make a decent maker's 1911 choke (please don't shoot commi Wolf in a JMB weapon).</div></div>


Thats funny, I dont think my 1911 has ever choked on type of bullet including hps.

 

[Patrick_S]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trigg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think a lot of 1911 issues could be solved if people didn't cheap out on magazines. If my 1911 wouldn't shoot Wolf, I wouldn't want it.</div></div>

Agreed, mags are very important.

 

[Patrick_S]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The one gun I trust, from the OPs discription is nothing more then an USGI 1911A1. They rattle, they are loose, they work.

I know for a fact, if you car crawling in some dark muddy tunnel the gun is gonna get caked with mud. Water will pour out the barrel, BUT, when the chips are down, it will fire, the same gun will stil group inside the 8 ring of a B-27 target at 25 yards.

If I was ever to have to go into the same situation, I would want nothing else.

I have a Colt Series 70 Gold Cup, that I tighten up ever year or so (my bullseye pistol). It reliable, I have no problems with it. But I have crawled to mud in SE Asia again, I'm afraid I'd leave it home and take my 1911A1.


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You, Sir get what I am talking about.

 

[BoleCailey]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

I think this would fit the bill.

Chuck Rogers Sandbox


Of coarse he is not cheap and isn't even taking work right now do to the back log.

 

[Downzero]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Patrick Scott</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The one gun I trust, from the OPs discription is nothing more then an USGI 1911A1. They rattle, they are loose, they work.

I know for a fact, if you car crawling in some dark muddy tunnel the gun is gonna get caked with mud. Water will pour out the barrel, BUT, when the chips are down, it will fire, the same gun will stil group inside the 8 ring of a B-27 target at 25 yards.

If I was ever to have to go into the same situation, I would want nothing else.

I have a Colt Series 70 Gold Cup, that I tighten up ever year or so (my bullseye pistol). It reliable, I have no problems with it. But I have crawled to mud in SE Asia again, I'm afraid I'd leave it home and take my 1911A1.


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You, Sir get what I am talking about. </div></div>

And the rest of us, who are not shooting bullsye, who don't get "alibis" are using pistols that are tighter than most factory guns and they're doing just fine.

 

[BMerino]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

Just watch out for crappy mags or mags that are "High cap". The biggest problem I've had with crap mags are failure to feed or failure to lock slide on empty chamber. High caps create there own issues since they were originally designed for only 7 rds. If you have a standard 7 rd mag look at the separation between the 7th and 6th rd when fully loaded. Now check a high cap mag (commonly 10rd)between the 10th and 9th and see the huge difference in separation. This can cause feeding issue if the feed ramp isn't worked over right.

I am currently shooting a Nighthawk Talon. The damn thing is as tight as what a Freshman in high school used to be. The thing won't jam know matter what I do to it. The only ammo I've had any issues with is Speer Golddot. After several chambering the round starts to recess into the casings and the round collapses some which changes overall length causing some feeding issues.

 

[Slowstang]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

Just get a Glock and be done with it.

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Flame on.

 

[Doc1911]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

TIGHT can still be RIGHT, even more RIGHT regarding 1911s.

 

[steppenwolf]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The one gun I trust, from the OPs discription is nothing more then an USGI 1911A1. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">They rattle, they are loose, they work.</span></span> ***

*** <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">But I have crawled to mud in SE Asia again, I'm afraid I'd leave it home and take my 1911A1.</span></span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">This</span>.</span>

SE Asia - or anywhere else where what's in your hand has to work <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">right now.</span></span>

 

[Downzero]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

All these nostalgic views about the 1911 of 70 years ago are fun and all, but a modern gun doesn't need to be that sloppy to run. If JMB were alive, he'd embrace CNC-produced, tighter tolerance guns that last a long time.

 

[steppenwolf]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All these nostalgic views about the 1911 of 70 years ago are fun and all, but a modern gun doesn't need to be that sloppy to run. If JMB were alive, he'd embrace CNC-produced, tighter tolerance guns that last a long time. </div></div>

That may be true, but then there was really nothing wrong with the "combat accuracy" of the Old-School 1911s or 1911A1s (as depicted in the above WWII Remington-Rand factory poster with photo).

 

[Patrick_S]

Re: Guestion about fighting 1911s

Great input guys, really appreciate it. I know that most(all?) of you have more real world knowledge as well as higher round and post counts. It means a lot to me that you have been willing to share on the subject. I guess It comes down to the fact that it seems I have been unlucky with the semi-customs(thanks for correcting me) and very lucky with my original. I don't plan on getting a dedicated carry 1911 until I get things sorted out. I am in the process of selling my XD45 so that I can pick up a Glock 19 this weekend. Who knows, maybe I'll never get a CCW 1911 if all goes right with the Glock.