Sidearms & Scatterguns Gun grease or oil ?

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Guys,

I have read, researched enough on this topic but i am no closer where I started, so will like to know your expereince on it. The oils that i focused on were Militec-1 (this bonding with metal, is It safe in long run?) and Mpro7 lpx which has passed the new mil standards (please do add any other ones). Not really looking for a clp cause use wipeout for bore (you have to try it to belive it). But for lube on the slides and barrel in semi auto, i want consider grease as well for long term durability of the moving parts. Now i dont mind cleaning my guns as offen as needed but I also want the best possible stuff money can buy and do the right thing.
My question is that can any gun oil provide the durability and protection for 500 rds or is grease is a better option which makes sence since it is specifically designed for high temp, high friction.
Also i see people putting oil in the barrrel which i personally dont do? Your thoughts on that.
Thanks

 

[10ringping]

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Slip 2000 EWL. Extreme weapons Lube. I swear by the stuff. As far as oil in the barrel, after I use Hopps or Carbon Killer in my barrel I usually run a patch through with a little EWL on it.

 

[Jim_D303]

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Gun oils are largely slick marketing.

Anything wet that stays put works. I used 20w synthetic motor oil, as do a number of other guys who've been shooting for a long time.

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=100719

Use what's available, as long as the gun is lubed almost anything will work.

 

[Cornholeo]

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Bought and started using Slip 200 EWL per recommendations around here. Use it on my BCG and my pistols, like it so far. A little bit goes a long way.

 

[ewoaf]

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I tried the SLIP EWL after reading a bunch of recommendations and hearing people swear by the stuff. It does ok, but not for the money. Being water based it seems to cook off a lot faster than oil, so I quit using it. It works ok, but for the money, I didn't see any real benefit over any other oil. I got a big jug of air tool oil and have been using that instead. Different combinations of diesel, marvel's, seafoam, mobile, and ATF seem to work for others, but I've never tried any of that. I don't have time to play around with oils, like someone said above, what's wet and stays put works for me.

That's all AR stuff, but for the slide of a pistol, I like to use Tetra grease. I've tried a bunch of them, red, green, some lithium based, some with moly in them. I think white grease does the job the best, and I don't see the point of oiling a bore either.

 

[aloreman]

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if its slippery its great

 

[noahmercy]

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+1 on Tetra products. I use their products on all my smokeless-powder guns. Their oil is fantastic on the gas rings of ARs. Tetra gets into the "pores" of the metal pretty good and even when there isn't a visible layer the parts still feel slick. I have buffed the grease into some parts using a Dremel and a felt bob, and the slipperiness is downright impressive. I also run an oversized bore mop with Tetra grease up and down the bore vigorously to burnish the lubricant into the metal. It provides protection from corrosion without leaving anything in the bore that can migrate somewhere undesired or drive up pressures by forming a "bore obstruction".

Grease is usually much more useful on bolts, hammers, and slides due to its ability to stay on the parts longer. Oil, however, has the ability to get into some parts of actions where it is hard to apply grease, so they both have their places and a smart armorer has both on his bench.

I don't use either on my carry guns, however...I use dry lube. This is completely unaffected by temperature extremes, and will not collect grit and lint which could cause malfunctions in a SHTF scenario.

IMO, oil in the barrel can be a bad idea if the gun is going to be fired without the bore being swabbed. (For storage it is okay, as long as it gets cleaned out prior to shooting.) Also, for long term storage, the treated "blue bags" or silicone treated gun socks are tough to beat.

 

[The Mechanic]

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I have used tetra and several other products. I have since switched several oils to mobil one synthetic motor oil. I have a few to select from. I have a 0w10, a 5w20 and some straight 50. Seems to work well and carbon just seems to wipe right off.

 

[Downzero]

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I use grease.

 

[OregonShooter]

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Lubricate 630AA works on everything and is cheap

 

[Jim_D303]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Noah Mercy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+1 on Tetra products. I use their products on all my smokeless-powder guns. Their oil is fantastic on the gas rings of ARs. Tetra gets into the "pores" of the metal pretty good and even when there isn't a visible layer the parts still feel slick. I have buffed the grease into some parts using a Dremel and a felt bob, and the slipperiness is downright impressive. I also run an oversized bore mop with Tetra grease up and down the bore vigorously to burnish the lubricant into the metal. It provides protection from corrosion without leaving anything in the bore that can migrate somewhere undesired or drive up pressures by forming a "bore obstruction".

Grease is usually much more useful on bolts, hammers, and slides due to its ability to stay on the parts longer. Oil, however, has the ability to get into some parts of actions where it is hard to apply grease, so they both have their places and a smart armorer has both on his bench.

<span style="font-weight: bold">I don't use either on my carry guns, however...I use dry lube. This is completely unaffected by temperature extremes, and will not collect grit and lint which could cause malfunctions in a SHTF scenario. </span>

IMO, oil in the barrel can be a bad idea if the gun is going to be fired without the bore being swabbed. (For storage it is okay, as long as it gets cleaned out prior to shooting.) Also, for long term storage, the treated "blue bags" or silicone treated gun socks are tough to beat.</div></div>

The idea that lube attracts grit is really just one of the old wives tales in the gun industry. You are much better off with a wet gun than a dry gun, especially when your life depends on it.

If dry lubes worked, we'd be using them overseas. The fact that we don't is a hint about what works best.

 

[thehjot]

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I was always taught to put Tetra grease on any shiny metal spots I see inside the action. I'm of the "if it's wet, it works" school of thought, so I'm still using the bottle of Cuters Gun Oil that came with a cleaning kit I bought about 10 years ago.

I do oil the bore, though I don't swab it before the first shot. That's what the fouling shot is for, right?

 

[427Cobra]

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I use Super Lube grease, works great on my bolt guns, 1911, 10/22, and even my Glocks, if I had a functioning AR I would use it on it too, 5 bucks for a tube, and lasts a long time, in 3 years I may have used 15%.

 

[jeffbird]

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Lucas Red 'N Tacky #2 grease works well on my 1911's and bolt rifles. It really adheres extremely well, is very slick, and includes a rust inhibitor.

Should be available at most auto parts stores. $6 for a huge tube, which will last many lifetimes, share it with friends. A little goes a long way.

http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?catid=14&iid=46&loc=show

If you put oil in your barrel, push a dry patch through a couple times before the first shot. Shooting with oil in the barrel can cause bulges inside of the barrel, and can alter the point of impact.

 

[Silver_Bullet_00]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gameonn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys,

I have read, researched enough on this topic but i am no closer where I started, so will like to know your expereince on it. The oils that i focused on were Militec-1 (this bonding with metal, is It safe in long run?) and Mpro7 lpx which has passed the new mil standards (please do add any other ones). Not really looking for a clp cause use wipeout for bore (you have to try it to belive it). But for lube on the slides and barrel in semi auto, i want consider grease as well for long term durability of the moving parts. Now i dont mind cleaning my guns as offen as needed but I also want the best possible stuff money can buy and do the right thing.
My question is that can any gun oil provide the durability and protection for 500 rds or is grease is a better option which makes sence since it is specifically designed for high temp, high friction.
Also i see people putting oil in the barrrel which i personally dont do? Your thoughts on that.
Thanks </div></div>

Never had problems with CLP or Rusty Duck

 

[IronMaidenFan]

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My primary range gun is a Kimber Custom II. It easily sees 1,000 rounds per week. I clean it every 500 rounds by letting the parts soak for an hour in WD-40 then upon re-assembly I use G96 Complete Gun Treatment to lube it. The gun has worked flawlessly using this routine for months.

 

[tlsmith22]

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I shoot lots and lots of pistol rounds a yr along with 223 and 22...I basically use CLP on everything and have had no problems whatsoever. I have no reason to change that I see.

 

[kimberseries1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Noah Mercy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Also, for long term storage, the treated "blue bags" or silicone treated gun socks are tough to beat. </div></div>


I live in a very humid climate. I had read somewhere that the silicome treated gun socks can actually hold moisture, thereby defeating their purpose. Don't have any hard data or a link, just something I read a few years ago.....

 

[kimberseries1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IronMaidenFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My primary range gun is a Kimber Custom II. It easily sees 1,000 rounds per week. I clean it every 500 rounds by letting the parts soak for an hour in WD-40 then upon re-assembly I use G96 Complete Gun Treatment to lube it. The gun has worked flawlessly using this routine for months.



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....you must be LE....how else can you afford so much ammo??? Even handloading that many has got to be 'spensive.....

 

[kimberseries1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tlsmith22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot lots and lots of pistol rounds a yr along with 223 and 22...I basically use CLP on everything and have had no problems whatsoever. I have no reason to change that I see. </div></div>

+10....although someone once told me that CLP is "pretty good" at everything, but not "great" at anything. I use it on my Kimbers, AR's, just not my Browning bolt....

 

[PMain]

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I've been using Gun Butter on my pistol & AR lately & love it. Both have run smoother lately. Have several friends that swear by Frog Lube & will try some next as well.

 

[desertrat1979]

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For long term storage or high humidity areas I was taught to put the thinnest amount of oil in the bore. Same goes for the outside of the barrel. You dont want it sopping wet, its just on there for rust and corrosion prevention. Any shiny spots you get from use should get it along with the areas recommended by the maker. I always used Miltec-1 for the longest time. It really doeesnt matter anymore. I have been using mobile 1 10w30 on my pistols, and small dabs of hi-temp bearing grease on the lugs of my bolt gun. Again, not gloping it on there, just a thin smear that will stop any galling. Hoppes #9 is the most common bore cleaner, but I got some Seafoam I was going to give a try.

 

[Downzero]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kimberseries1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IronMaidenFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My primary range gun is a Kimber Custom II. It easily sees 1,000 rounds per week. I clean it every 500 rounds by letting the parts soak for an hour in WD-40 then upon re-assembly I use G96 Complete Gun Treatment to lube it. The gun has worked flawlessly using this routine for months.
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....you must be LE....how else can you afford so much ammo??? Even handloading that many has got to be 'spensive..... </div></div>

I shot about 3,000 rounds in a single weekend last summer.

Handload, stockpile as much ammo as you can afford, then shoot it until you run out and start the process over again.

 

[noahmercy]

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The idea that lube attracts grit is really just one of the old wives tales in the gun industry. You are much better off with a wet gun than a dry gun, especially when your life depends on it.

If dry lubes worked, we'd be using them overseas. The fact that we don't is a hint about what works best. [/quote]


Ahh, but I didn't imply that it <span style="font-style: italic">attracts</span> grit, only that grease (or thick oil) will hold it if it finds its way into the area where it's applied. You're right, lube is definitely not a "dirt magnet", but if you walk through a golf course sandtrap with one dry foot and oil or grease on the other, care to guess which one will have more sand on it?

As to dry lubes overseas?...completely different scenarios. Those guys are putting boucoup rounds downbarrel through mil-spec guns when they get into a firefight, and they use gas-operated fully-automatic firearms. My carry guns have tighter tolerances than most military firearms, and don't have to resist galling, overheating, and fouling for hundreds of full-auto rounds...they're also not gas operated.

Apples and oranges.

 

[Casey Simpson]

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Synthetic grease is insusceptible of extreme temperature swings, resists drying/gunking, and luiqifying due to heat. Its good.

Oil is for lighter duty applications and places needing lubrication that you can't apply grease because of a hard to reach area on the firearm.

Moisture and debris are moving parts' enemies. Grease sheilds them from both.

The lazy shooter should use any lube he has so long as he uses some.

What happens when a combustible engine runs without lubrication?
Youtube that query and find out.

Lubricious is delecious.

 

[TM2Hide]

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Thank you all for your input, its excellent info and exactly what I needed.