What's your opinion of Leupold's cch? Im looking at a mk5, and im wondering if the h59 is worth paying a couple hundred dollars more for.
Rifle Scopes H59 or CCH?
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The cch is just a bit less busy than the h59. There’s some “features” in the h59 that I’ll likely never take advantage of, so it was not worth the cost- to me. I kind of wish I had sprung for the illuminated reticle- even though the scope is on a match rifle that will probably never be shot near twilight.
I’ve shot both and currently I’m running the CCH. No issues you just have to pay attention and know the sub-tensions are a little different. I’m sure you know you can download both reticle patterns on the Leupold website. It may help you decide.
Yeah I've been staring at both and reading everything I can, just seeking people's general opinions.
If the Leupold Custom shop ever gets up and running again, Id just buy the lowest cost Mk5HD you can find with a reticle your happy with and then if you wanted something different you could send it in for a reticle swap...
I just went through the same Thing, spent a month going back and forth. I ended up going with the h59 because when you zoom in on the cch reticle you don’t have all the subventions I would like for long range shooting. Also I have a dealer that gave me such a good price I was ok with the slight price difference. Shoot me a pm if you want me to connect you with him.
I’ve been running the CCH for a year and a half. About a dozen matches, couple deer, and thousands on steel during practice. I really like it. I didn’t care for the Tremor 3. I’ve yet to need illumination, including deer hunting at last legal light.
Let’s be all honest, anything more than the TMR reticle is “busy”. The pros and cons are minimal, pick one train with it and shoot it well!
I hadn't seen a CCH before, it is busy. I've been running H58s for the last 10 years, I don't think a H59 is that different, I'd go with something less cluttered.
I run mine at 11x-16x most of the time. I find it difficult to use below about 9x. I wouldn’t use any grid type reticle on a dedicated hunting rifle, but for LR and PRS matches, I find the CCH works quite well.
Go for the one with .2's because the better reticles in the other brands high end scopes have .2 reticles, so when you you inevitably buy one of those other brands, you are "used to .2's" already.
I sold an ATACR with Mil-C (0.2) after I used the Mk5 with CCH for a while. I find the .25 hashs no big deal. Need 0.2 or 0.3? Hold either side of the .25. After using it- I like the reduced number of hashs to count. I find it faster than when I had to count .2s. Is the CCH perfect? Far from it. But it’s grown on me.
I’ve got some decent real world reticle pics, but site isn’t letting me upload right now for some reason.
If you dont care about what information exsists for the Horus reticles then I would just pick one depending on price/look that makes you happy. The Horus reticles H58,H59 and Tremor 2 and 3 have alot of use in fhe field and information out there on how to manipulate these reticles for your weapon system is abundant, they are also taxed additionally into whatever scope has one, costing more since someone had to create the reticles and formulas for them(Sniper Jesus Todd Hodnett) imho. The CCH is a Leupold invention and not a bad one imho. With grid/tree type reticles you will only we using it between certain magnifications because its only really useful if you can bloody see all of it clearly. Good thing is, most ffp scopes have better reticles these days, like with the thicker outer posts, so when dialling down you still have somewhat a distinguished aiming point.
At the end of the day, regurdless of what grid system you pick, you still need to true your rifle to the reticle so its accurate for you.
-Reagan
At the end of the day, regurdless of what grid system you pick, you still need to true your rifle to the reticle so its accurate for you.
-Reagan
I have a h59 in another brand of scope and like it alright. I've looked at the cch reticle as an option when upgrading scopes, but have grown to like the .2 mil lines of the h59.
For those that have a mil reticle that is split in .25 increments, is it much of an issue changing to it? Doesn't the .25 kind of defeat the purpose of the mil system?
For those that have a mil reticle that is split in .25 increments, is it much of an issue changing to it? Doesn't the .25 kind of defeat the purpose of the mil system?
Can you hold the difference? Consistently? No, the difference between 0.2 and 0.25 mil hashes does not defeat the purpose of a mil reticle. What do you do when you need 0.3, or 0.75 mil and have 0.2 mil hashes? There's no little line to line up. The horror. Do the math for your wind solution (or, more likely, have your calculator do it), then like everyone else, hold edge of plate... ?
That makes sense. I just don't have any experience outside .2 hold reticles. I guess my only hold up is somethinglike a 2 man team event where correction calls are made by your partner. I guess as long as you're both using the same thing it won't matter though.
It doesn’t matter what the hash marks in the reticle are, as long as it gives you a point of reference so you can accurately hold whatever solution is called. I run .25 (CCH), my partner runs .5 (TMR) if the call is .3- neither of us is holding on a hash. But I’m more likely to have a more precise hold. It’s not all that hard. With .25 mil hashs- I have no problem dissecting my holds down to .1.
I ran H59s for a while, still have one in an HDMR2. I have 2 Mk5 5-25s with CCH on my match guns. Both are totally usable, my preference for match shooting goes to the CCH though because it's not as thick as the H59 and slightly les busy making spotting splash and trace a bit easier. I normally run them at 11-13x in positional and max around 16x for prone (unless zeroing then I go to 25x). What I'd love to see is a CCH with just the centre crosshair illuminated.
I went with the tremor 3 and like it so far. H59 is pretty similar. I just read that they're coming out with the Tremor 5 and it looks like they cleaned it up a little bit. Almost wish I would have waited.
Just checked out the tremor 5, only differences I can see are they took the mover references out and numbered the upper vertical mils.
I had the lrp with the cch and I have a bushnell with the h59. I have more rounds through the cch. I sold the lrp in order to by the mk5 with the cch. For me it's just a little faster to spot impacts and less cluttered to get the proper hold. H59 will give you more options to hold though. .2 vs .25 difference.
Seems to me you might as well go full Tremor 3 or save the cash and get the CCH. The H59 seems a little outdated compared to the Tremor 3 in cleanliness and features in my opinion.
I will admit, it is nice to have a uniform reticle, but not necessarily being tied down to a specific optic or even brand.
I will admit, it is nice to have a uniform reticle, but not necessarily being tied down to a specific optic or even brand.
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