We tested last week end the new french Snipe Concept from Christian Salva
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Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
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Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
Why would you want to shoot it free recoil? Sounds counterproductive. In the video, it appears they all shoot it well into the shoulder.
Why would you want to shoot it free recoil? Sounds counterproductive. In the video, it appears they all shoot it well into the shoulder.
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
Shooting a heavy benchrest gun riding bags and a tactical rifle from a bipod in the dirt are two different things. Free recoil doesn't really work for the latter IMO. Looks like he needs to bump the shoulders on his cases too.
Shooting a heavy benchrest gun riding bags and a tactical rifle from a bipod in the dirt are two different things. Free recoil doesn't really work for the latter IMO. Looks like he needs to bump the shoulders on his cases too.
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
Yea, I noticed that too with the slapping of the bolt handle.
Yea, I noticed that too with the slapping of the bolt handle.
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shooting a heavy benchrest gun riding bags and a tactical rifle from a bipod in the dirt are two different things. Free recoil doesn't really work for the latter IMO. Looks like he needs to bump the shoulders on his cases too. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shooting a heavy benchrest gun riding bags and a tactical rifle from a bipod in the dirt are two different things. Free recoil doesn't really work for the latter IMO. Looks like he needs to bump the shoulders on his cases too. </div></div>
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Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
i had to watch it 3 times to see a rifle. all i saw first two times was a beautiful strawberry-blonde french lady.
i had to watch it 3 times to see a rifle. all i saw first two times was a beautiful strawberry-blonde french lady.
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
The french strawberry blonde lady is very proud of your message thank you for her.
This new rifle is a long range sniping prototype. The aspect of free recoil is not at all convenient for accuracy, but if you consider that it's a Bench rest way of shooting it was quite a challenge to shoot 338 Lapua Magnum 250 grs rounds without holding the stock. if the muzzle break wasn't as efficient as told my shoulder won't loved the test.
As you can see the blast is playing a lot more with our hair than with our shoulders.
The gun is heavy but this new muzzle break is incredible.
In the next weeks the 1000m range will re open next vidéo you'll have the result on target.
sincerely yours from the south west of france
The french strawberry blonde lady is very proud of your message thank you for her.
This new rifle is a long range sniping prototype. The aspect of free recoil is not at all convenient for accuracy, but if you consider that it's a Bench rest way of shooting it was quite a challenge to shoot 338 Lapua Magnum 250 grs rounds without holding the stock. if the muzzle break wasn't as efficient as told my shoulder won't loved the test.
As you can see the blast is playing a lot more with our hair than with our shoulders.
The gun is heavy but this new muzzle break is incredible.
In the next weeks the 1000m range will re open next vidéo you'll have the result on target.
sincerely yours from the south west of france
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would you want to shoot it free recoil? Sounds counterproductive. In the video, it appears they all shoot it well into the shoulder. </div></div>
Completly has I explain on my previous post it was just a matter of testing if it was possible or not.
http://christian.salva.free.fr/Armes/Sniper.htm
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would you want to shoot it free recoil? Sounds counterproductive. In the video, it appears they all shoot it well into the shoulder. </div></div>
Completly has I explain on my previous post it was just a matter of testing if it was possible or not.
http://christian.salva.free.fr/Armes/Sniper.htm
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
Of course as soon as we have the 408 Cheytac ready a video will be done
Of course as soon as we have the 408 Cheytac ready a video will be done
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Viper65FR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would you want to shoot it free recoil? Sounds counterproductive. In the video, it appears they all shoot it well into the shoulder. </div></div>
Completly has I explain on my previous post it was just a matter of testing if it was possible or not.
http://christian.salva.free.fr/Armes/Sniper.htm
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Ok, I understand now. If that video was showing free recoil shooting (I can't really tell), then the brake was impressive. Can you tell me more about how you designed it and your thought process as you were designing it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Viper65FR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would you want to shoot it free recoil? Sounds counterproductive. In the video, it appears they all shoot it well into the shoulder. </div></div>
Completly has I explain on my previous post it was just a matter of testing if it was possible or not.
http://christian.salva.free.fr/Armes/Sniper.htm
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Ok, I understand now. If that video was showing free recoil shooting (I can't really tell), then the brake was impressive. Can you tell me more about how you designed it and your thought process as you were designing it?
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
nothing I havnt seen come out of SSG3K's AW .338 LM....maybe I am missing something? I guess its hard to tell though when my eye lids are touching the back on my neck.
nothing I havnt seen come out of SSG3K's AW .338 LM....maybe I am missing something? I guess its hard to tell though when my eye lids are touching the back on my neck.
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
What I hate is when people refer to precision rifles or scoped rifles as "sniper rifles" You have a fine rifle but please stop refering to it as a sniper rifle. Anybody can shoot for distance and hit targets being a sniper is more than just shooting, it's field craft sir. You have a wonderful rifle and looks like you are having a wonderful time but don't be so liberal with such a historical term
What I hate is when people refer to precision rifles or scoped rifles as "sniper rifles" You have a fine rifle but please stop refering to it as a sniper rifle. Anybody can shoot for distance and hit targets being a sniper is more than just shooting, it's field craft sir. You have a wonderful rifle and looks like you are having a wonderful time but don't be so liberal with such a historical term
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
I have a .338 Lapua on a M-96 Windrunner the recoil is equal to a .22 mag. and the .408 CT is about equal to a .223 Bill's Brakes are fantastic. Now if you were to take the Brake off the .408 then you are talking about enough recoil to do some major severe damage to your body.
I have a .338 Lapua on a M-96 Windrunner the recoil is equal to a .22 mag. and the .408 CT is about equal to a .223 Bill's Brakes are fantastic. Now if you were to take the Brake off the .408 then you are talking about enough recoil to do some major severe damage to your body.
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marksman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm curious how much that rifle weighed? That brake sure seems impressively effective as well. </div></div>
13kg 26 pounds
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marksman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm curious how much that rifle weighed? That brake sure seems impressively effective as well. </div></div>
13kg 26 pounds
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
That's pretty heavy for a field rifle chambered in 338 Lapua. You stated it was a long range sniping prototype. Is that rifle a benchrest rig being developed into a sniper rifle for the military?
That's pretty heavy for a field rifle chambered in 338 Lapua. You stated it was a long range sniping prototype. Is that rifle a benchrest rig being developed into a sniper rifle for the military?
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: popeye089</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I hate is when people refer to precision rifles or scoped rifles as "sniper rifles" You have a fine rifle but please stop refering to it as a sniper rifle. Anybody can shoot for distance and hit targets being a sniper is more than just shooting, it's field craft sir. You have a wonderful rifle and looks like you are having a wonderful time but don't be so liberal with such a historical term </div></div>
I completly agree with you and visiting the website of Christian Salva you will see that is line of guns can go from BenchRest Class F etc....
http://christian.salva.free.fr/Armes/Long_Range.htm
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek086.html
The little Sniper and the snipe concept are new products competing for the replacement of the PGM Hecate II for the french special forces. We can't call them assault rifle what they are certainly not.
Now if you remember the assault in Marignane against the Airbus by the GIGN how would you qualified the shooters of this unit.
I have a background in that field and you may easily know the units I spent time with if I say Norfolk Va and Hereford UK
Now on the design of this muzzle break one important value was that the blast was not going to create a cloud of dust on the ground, and not blast the spotter on the side. And we both know that this kind of details are very important for the average civilian shooter. The prototype you see on this video was created to be the first step to test the barrels and the muzzle break. We are finishing the design of the spring for the magazine of the tactical version, the prototype being a single shot version. Beleive us this can be a critical part of the rifle if you do it wrong. Our partner Lothar Walter is helping us to create a barrel that will have the accuracy and the durability we are looking for.
But you are right I am 48 years old now and it's not my ass that will be conducting the test on the field in the next monthes. I just can help to design and test on a civilian range.
sincerely yours
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: popeye089</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I hate is when people refer to precision rifles or scoped rifles as "sniper rifles" You have a fine rifle but please stop refering to it as a sniper rifle. Anybody can shoot for distance and hit targets being a sniper is more than just shooting, it's field craft sir. You have a wonderful rifle and looks like you are having a wonderful time but don't be so liberal with such a historical term </div></div>
I completly agree with you and visiting the website of Christian Salva you will see that is line of guns can go from BenchRest Class F etc....
http://christian.salva.free.fr/Armes/Long_Range.htm
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek086.html
The little Sniper and the snipe concept are new products competing for the replacement of the PGM Hecate II for the french special forces. We can't call them assault rifle what they are certainly not.
Now if you remember the assault in Marignane against the Airbus by the GIGN how would you qualified the shooters of this unit.
I have a background in that field and you may easily know the units I spent time with if I say Norfolk Va and Hereford UK
Now on the design of this muzzle break one important value was that the blast was not going to create a cloud of dust on the ground, and not blast the spotter on the side. And we both know that this kind of details are very important for the average civilian shooter. The prototype you see on this video was created to be the first step to test the barrels and the muzzle break. We are finishing the design of the spring for the magazine of the tactical version, the prototype being a single shot version. Beleive us this can be a critical part of the rifle if you do it wrong. Our partner Lothar Walter is helping us to create a barrel that will have the accuracy and the durability we are looking for.
But you are right I am 48 years old now and it's not my ass that will be conducting the test on the field in the next monthes. I just can help to design and test on a civilian range.
sincerely yours
Re: Have you ever shot a 338LM in freerecoil ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badshot308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's pretty heavy for a field rifle chambered in 338 Lapua. You stated it was a long range sniping prototype. Is that rifle a benchrest rig being developed into a sniper rifle for the military? </div></div>
Christian Salva is a civilian shooter who won many titles in Bisley several years ago. His experience of long range accuracy is important. But for a gun to be operational on the battlefield, accuracy is only part of the answer. When most of the armies in the world are thinking not to use any more the .50 because of injuries to the shooter because of recoil and blast. Other solution need to be invented. the 408 Cheytac is an interesting ammo but for an army you need to be able to buy quantites of ammo no one manufacture it in Europe. The 338 LM is manufactured and used by some of the most prestigious french special forces unit. But if we refer to the experience of the GIGN or the RAID they need a gun accurate for only one shot. Their counter terrorism mission are not asking them more than that.
For our units in afganistan we would need a longer range than the 308 of the FRF2. And an ammo you are not limited to 20 rds per week, because of the trauma shooting .50 .
Will our solution be the good solution no one know by now. But we try
After the magazine the next step is finding the proper bipod and the proper scope.... and of course the most important to be field tested by one unit...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badshot308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's pretty heavy for a field rifle chambered in 338 Lapua. You stated it was a long range sniping prototype. Is that rifle a benchrest rig being developed into a sniper rifle for the military? </div></div>
Christian Salva is a civilian shooter who won many titles in Bisley several years ago. His experience of long range accuracy is important. But for a gun to be operational on the battlefield, accuracy is only part of the answer. When most of the armies in the world are thinking not to use any more the .50 because of injuries to the shooter because of recoil and blast. Other solution need to be invented. the 408 Cheytac is an interesting ammo but for an army you need to be able to buy quantites of ammo no one manufacture it in Europe. The 338 LM is manufactured and used by some of the most prestigious french special forces unit. But if we refer to the experience of the GIGN or the RAID they need a gun accurate for only one shot. Their counter terrorism mission are not asking them more than that.
For our units in afganistan we would need a longer range than the 308 of the FRF2. And an ammo you are not limited to 20 rds per week, because of the trauma shooting .50 .
Will our solution be the good solution no one know by now. But we try
After the magazine the next step is finding the proper bipod and the proper scope.... and of course the most important to be field tested by one unit...
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