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Rifle Scopes HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
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Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
When is the group buy and a ballpark of how much $ I need to save, would be awesome information.
When is the group buy and a ballpark of how much $ I need to save, would be awesome information.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I dont think thats the case, We just gave them a hand with this reticle design. Its going to be <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">available fall (September/October) timeframe</span>.</span> We will have a stock of them and will offer a SH group buy to start this scope/reticle out on a high note. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I dont think thats the case, We just gave them a hand with this reticle design. Its going to be <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">available fall (September/October) timeframe</span>.</span> We will have a stock of them and will offer a SH group buy to start this scope/reticle out on a high note. </div></div>
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys Bushnell (formerly Baush and Laumb) Made the very first Real Military Grade 30mm Sniper scope, the 10x Military, the US Navy Seals still use them today. Bushnell has just decided to go back and reclaim what they started in the early 80's </div></div>
Yes, The Bausch & Lomb 10x Military/Police Tactical is a FINE scope. I have SN 25 on my PSS. Really great optics, bright and clear. One of the East Coast SEAL teams (can't remember the #) was at Camp Guernsey, WY a few years back and had one mounted on an M-21. They were surprised I had one as well.
This new one looks even better!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys Bushnell (formerly Baush and Laumb) Made the very first Real Military Grade 30mm Sniper scope, the 10x Military, the US Navy Seals still use them today. Bushnell has just decided to go back and reclaim what they started in the early 80's </div></div>
Yes, The Bausch & Lomb 10x Military/Police Tactical is a FINE scope. I have SN 25 on my PSS. Really great optics, bright and clear. One of the East Coast SEAL teams (can't remember the #) was at Camp Guernsey, WY a few years back and had one mounted on an M-21. They were surprised I had one as well.
This new one looks even better!
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">10 mil turrets are being designed </div></div>
Not doubting you, taseal, but has this been confirmed by another source?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">10 mil turrets are being designed </div></div>
Not doubting you, taseal, but has this been confirmed by another source?
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Basher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">10 mil turrets are being designed </div></div>
Not doubting you, taseal, but has this been confirmed by another source? </div></div>
From the man.In the thread there somewhere.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...158#Post2662158
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Basher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">10 mil turrets are being designed </div></div>
Not doubting you, taseal, but has this been confirmed by another source? </div></div>
From the man.In the thread there somewhere.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...158#Post2662158
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Basher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">10 mil turrets are being designed </div></div>
Not doubting you, taseal, but has this been confirmed by another source? </div></div>
From the man.In the thread there somewhere.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...158#Post2662158
</div></div>
Ah. The only thing is, it states late next year. Meaning these may just have 5mil turrets, and no ZS or illumination. The absence of those features isn't a deal breaker (everything else I own is in 5mil/turn as well), but of the three, the 10mil turret is most desirable for me.
Still gonna try and save up for one regardless.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Basher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">10 mil turrets are being designed </div></div>
Not doubting you, taseal, but has this been confirmed by another source? </div></div>
From the man.In the thread there somewhere.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...158#Post2662158
</div></div>
Ah. The only thing is, it states late next year. Meaning these may just have 5mil turrets, and no ZS or illumination. The absence of those features isn't a deal breaker (everything else I own is in 5mil/turn as well), but of the three, the 10mil turret is most desirable for me.
Still gonna try and save up for one regardless.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
Why is there such a big push for 10 mils per rev?
This scope looks really nice as set up.
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. In my case and many other users that I know, we would much rather have a course index that you can hit guaranteed, on the money in a hurry. No matter how good the "clicks" feel, getting to your desired setting and then, and this is really important to us, visually confirming the setting in a hurry is a must. It takes us 2 or 3 glances to really be sure of what we landed on with the small Mil scale graduations. Put poor light and/or time stress into the mix and it is even worse.
To me, a 5 mil/rev turret can get even my slow ass .308 on to anything inside 650 yards on the first rev. Distance usually equates to time so I have no issues with getting into my 2nd rev at longer distance. Also, most wrists will force you to let go and re-grasp the turret after about the first 1/2 turn anyway.
For me, I think I can get to my setting faster and make my brain convinced that I'm where I want to be with the 5 mil turrets. I think they need to retain the 5 mil turrets as an option and wish some of the other scope makers out there had not gone to High Speed turrets.
Sometimes more is not better. What looks good in theory doesn't always work well in execution for a lot of folks.
I think myself and others with these concerns must make up only about 1% of the users out there but I thought I would share anyway.
Good job George and team.
Why is there such a big push for 10 mils per rev?
This scope looks really nice as set up.
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. In my case and many other users that I know, we would much rather have a course index that you can hit guaranteed, on the money in a hurry. No matter how good the "clicks" feel, getting to your desired setting and then, and this is really important to us, visually confirming the setting in a hurry is a must. It takes us 2 or 3 glances to really be sure of what we landed on with the small Mil scale graduations. Put poor light and/or time stress into the mix and it is even worse.
To me, a 5 mil/rev turret can get even my slow ass .308 on to anything inside 650 yards on the first rev. Distance usually equates to time so I have no issues with getting into my 2nd rev at longer distance. Also, most wrists will force you to let go and re-grasp the turret after about the first 1/2 turn anyway.
For me, I think I can get to my setting faster and make my brain convinced that I'm where I want to be with the 5 mil turrets. I think they need to retain the 5 mil turrets as an option and wish some of the other scope makers out there had not gone to High Speed turrets.
Sometimes more is not better. What looks good in theory doesn't always work well in execution for a lot of folks.
I think myself and others with these concerns must make up only about 1% of the users out there but I thought I would share anyway.
Good job George and team.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
I'm with you 5 mil / rev would work just fine for me. If I were to want any additional feature in this glass it would be for illumination.
I'm with you 5 mil / rev would work just fine for me. If I were to want any additional feature in this glass it would be for illumination.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. </div></div>
Agreed, I have the regular HDMR and the graduation spacing is nice and distinct....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. </div></div>
Agreed, I have the regular HDMR and the graduation spacing is nice and distinct....
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
Color me interested. This sounds/looks like it'll be a fantastic product.
Color me interested. This sounds/looks like it'll be a fantastic product.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
I too agree with Terry on the 5 mil vs. 10 mil knobs. Incidentally, it's generally a good idea to agree with him... I understand he knows a thing or two about precision shooting.
I too agree with Terry on the 5 mil vs. 10 mil knobs. Incidentally, it's generally a good idea to agree with him... I understand he knows a thing or two about precision shooting.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
I really like all the spec's about this scope listed so far, count me in if there is a group buy.
I really like all the spec's about this scope listed so far, count me in if there is a group buy.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is there such a big push for 10 mils per rev?
This scope looks really nice as set up.
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. In my case and many other users that I know, we would much rather have a course index that you can hit guaranteed, on the money in a hurry. No matter how good the "clicks" feel, getting to your desired setting and then, and this is really important to us, visually confirming the setting in a hurry is a must. It takes us 2 or 3 glances to really be sure of what we landed on with the small Mil scale graduations. Put poor light and/or time stress into the mix and it is even worse.
To me, a 5 mil/rev turret can get even my slow ass .308 on to anything inside 650 yards on the first rev. Distance usually equates to time so I have no issues with getting into my 2nd rev at longer distance. Also, most wrists will force you to let go and re-grasp the turret after about the first 1/2 turn anyway.
For me, I think I can get to my setting faster and make my brain convinced that I'm where I want to be with the 5 mil turrets. I think they need to retain the 5 mil turrets as an option and wish some of the other scope makers out there had not gone to High Speed turrets.
Sometimes more is not better. What looks good in theory doesn't always work well in execution for a lot of folks.
I think myself and others with these concerns must make up only about 1% of the users out there but I thought I would share anyway.
Good job George and team. </div></div>
All good points. I don't shoot on a two way range, and hope I never have to. So for me, 10mil turrets are a nice idea for the square range, but I'd take them either way. As I said, I've never owned anything other than 5mil turrets so I'd be fully OK with the turrets remaining at 5. My point was, if I had to chose between 10mil turrets, illumination, and zero stops, I'd rather have a 10mil knob.
As the scope stands, I'd be more than happy to pick up one of these as they stand.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is there such a big push for 10 mils per rev?
This scope looks really nice as set up.
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. In my case and many other users that I know, we would much rather have a course index that you can hit guaranteed, on the money in a hurry. No matter how good the "clicks" feel, getting to your desired setting and then, and this is really important to us, visually confirming the setting in a hurry is a must. It takes us 2 or 3 glances to really be sure of what we landed on with the small Mil scale graduations. Put poor light and/or time stress into the mix and it is even worse.
To me, a 5 mil/rev turret can get even my slow ass .308 on to anything inside 650 yards on the first rev. Distance usually equates to time so I have no issues with getting into my 2nd rev at longer distance. Also, most wrists will force you to let go and re-grasp the turret after about the first 1/2 turn anyway.
For me, I think I can get to my setting faster and make my brain convinced that I'm where I want to be with the 5 mil turrets. I think they need to retain the 5 mil turrets as an option and wish some of the other scope makers out there had not gone to High Speed turrets.
Sometimes more is not better. What looks good in theory doesn't always work well in execution for a lot of folks.
I think myself and others with these concerns must make up only about 1% of the users out there but I thought I would share anyway.
Good job George and team. </div></div>
All good points. I don't shoot on a two way range, and hope I never have to. So for me, 10mil turrets are a nice idea for the square range, but I'd take them either way. As I said, I've never owned anything other than 5mil turrets so I'd be fully OK with the turrets remaining at 5. My point was, if I had to chose between 10mil turrets, illumination, and zero stops, I'd rather have a 10mil knob.
As the scope stands, I'd be more than happy to pick up one of these as they stand.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Team-Send-It!!!</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is exactly why i didn't go crazy on the ss5-20 not that its a bad scope it for sure it nice on paper ( haven't seen one), but bshnell has had some great designs lately and is also really listening to the market. this optic is also 34mm which gives great fov. will it replace my schmidt no but they will probably replace my other scopes.
nice work george!!! </div></div>
The SS 5-20x50 SHGB ended 17JUN11.
I placed my order on 31MAY because I sure didn't know George was going to post this on 13JUL11.
You've got sum skills, sir.
But, unlike me, you shall not have had both.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Team-Send-It!!!</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is exactly why i didn't go crazy on the ss5-20 not that its a bad scope it for sure it nice on paper ( haven't seen one), but bshnell has had some great designs lately and is also really listening to the market. this optic is also 34mm which gives great fov. will it replace my schmidt no but they will probably replace my other scopes.
nice work george!!! </div></div>
The SS 5-20x50 SHGB ended 17JUN11.
I placed my order on 31MAY because I sure didn't know George was going to post this on 13JUL11.
You've got sum skills, sir.
But, unlike me, you shall not have had both.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
As an owner of a B&L Elite 4000 6-24x40, a B&L Elite 4200 4-16x50ao and a Bushnell Elite 4200 SFP 6-24x50 30mm MilDot, I'm happy to see Bushnell 'keeping up' with the fast moving tactical scope market. The former two going hundreds and hundreds of rounds on a 7 RM, yet still hanging in there after a decade, or so.
Maybe I'm inline for a fourth?
Chris
As an owner of a B&L Elite 4000 6-24x40, a B&L Elite 4200 4-16x50ao and a Bushnell Elite 4200 SFP 6-24x50 30mm MilDot, I'm happy to see Bushnell 'keeping up' with the fast moving tactical scope market. The former two going hundreds and hundreds of rounds on a 7 RM, yet still hanging in there after a decade, or so.
Maybe I'm inline for a fourth?
Chris
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
So I have seen this scope in person. By the looks of this reticle you guys better get in line it is awesome.
So I have seen this scope in person. By the looks of this reticle you guys better get in line it is awesome.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
35.2 oz from a google search EDIT,which apparenty wrong ???
I read on the Horus site that the weight is 32oz.
Sorry for the confusion!
35.2 oz from a google search EDIT,which apparenty wrong ???
I read on the Horus site that the weight is 32oz.
Sorry for the confusion!
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
The group buy is up
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=240089&Number=2716159#top
The group buy is up
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=240089&Number=2716159#top
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
Price is a bit steeper than I (and my bank account) was hoping for...but geez it looks like one hell of an optic...
Price is a bit steeper than I (and my bank account) was hoping for...but geez it looks like one hell of an optic...
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
+1 the glass and the eyebox on this scope is unreal for the price. My GF looked through it yesterday and said "this is the first scope I didn't have to search for a full field of view. It was right there." Well worth the money.
+1 the glass and the eyebox on this scope is unreal for the price. My GF looked through it yesterday and said "this is the first scope I didn't have to search for a full field of view. It was right there." Well worth the money.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For what you are getting that price is very good. </div></div>
Without a doubt!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For what you are getting that price is very good. </div></div>
Without a doubt!
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Price is a bit steeper than I (and my bank account) was hoping for...</div></div>
Yeah, its quite a bit more than I was expecting it to be. Looks like an awesome scope though. Just out of my price range, unfortunately.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Price is a bit steeper than I (and my bank account) was hoping for...</div></div>
Yeah, its quite a bit more than I was expecting it to be. Looks like an awesome scope though. Just out of my price range, unfortunately.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
I would be little nervous if it was any less. For the features you are getting this is a great price.
I would be little nervous if it was any less. For the features you are getting this is a great price.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
hmmmm power range only dreamed of by others, 34mm main tube, 26mils elevation, one of the best designed reticles i have ever seen, cheaper than a nightforce, ffp.
Yup thats why i ordered two of these, i love the 6x24 ffp they currently make i can't even imagine how nice this one must be.
hmmmm power range only dreamed of by others, 34mm main tube, 26mils elevation, one of the best designed reticles i have ever seen, cheaper than a nightforce, ffp.
Yup thats why i ordered two of these, i love the 6x24 ffp they currently make i can't even imagine how nice this one must be.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Team-Send-It!!!</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i love the 6x24 ffp they currently make i can't even imagine how nice this one must be. </div></div>
I had the 6-24 as well and have the Horus HDMR now.... night and day difference, you will be more than pleasantly surprised....
I didn't know it till I had it, but I love the locking turret design.....
Ran it at the last Raton shoot and it was easy to get behind and ran flawless (wish I could say the same for me!)
If you are on the fence about this scope, I would urge you to take the plunge, I am glad I did......
(no I am not affiliated with any of these companies
)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Team-Send-It!!!</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i love the 6x24 ffp they currently make i can't even imagine how nice this one must be. </div></div>
I had the 6-24 as well and have the Horus HDMR now.... night and day difference, you will be more than pleasantly surprised....
I didn't know it till I had it, but I love the locking turret design.....
Ran it at the last Raton shoot and it was easy to get behind and ran flawless (wish I could say the same for me!)
If you are on the fence about this scope, I would urge you to take the plunge, I am glad I did......
(no I am not affiliated with any of these companies
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
isn't this very similar to the MTC reticle???
Is this scope made in China,..as in "assembled" in the US???
isn't this very similar to the MTC reticle???
Is this scope made in China,..as in "assembled" in the US???
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bronco_buster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> +1 on price ballpark?
</div></div>
The HDMR scopes are already on the market. They are $1350 retail. </div></div>
Where ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bronco_buster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> +1 on price ballpark?
</div></div>
The HDMR scopes are already on the market. They are $1350 retail. </div></div>
Where ?
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is there such a big push for 10 mils per rev?
This scope looks really nice as set up.
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. In my case and many other users that I know, we would much rather have a course index that you can hit guaranteed, on the money in a hurry. No matter how good the "clicks" feel, getting to your desired setting and then, and this is really important to us, visually confirming the setting in a hurry is a must. It takes us 2 or 3 glances to really be sure of what we landed on with the small Mil scale graduations. Put poor light and/or time stress into the mix and it is even worse.
To me, a 5 mil/rev turret can get even my slow ass .308 on to anything inside 650 yards on the first rev. Distance usually equates to time so I have no issues with getting into my 2nd rev at longer distance. Also, most wrists will force you to let go and re-grasp the turret after about the first 1/2 turn anyway.
For me, I think I can get to my setting faster and make my brain convinced that I'm where I want to be with the 5 mil turrets. I think they need to retain the 5 mil turrets as an option and wish some of the other scope makers out there had not gone to High Speed turrets.
Sometimes more is not better. What looks good in theory doesn't always work well in execution for a lot of folks.
I think myself and others with these concerns must make up only about 1% of the users out there but I thought I would share anyway.
Good job George and team. </div></div>
I thought that I was the only one not enamored by the "HS turret" craze... Out of all the scopes, I like the spacing on the EREK and NF turrets the best.
I personally like this scope just how it sits, a 10mil turret would be a turn off for me...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is there such a big push for 10 mils per rev?
This scope looks really nice as set up.
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. In my case and many other users that I know, we would much rather have a course index that you can hit guaranteed, on the money in a hurry. No matter how good the "clicks" feel, getting to your desired setting and then, and this is really important to us, visually confirming the setting in a hurry is a must. It takes us 2 or 3 glances to really be sure of what we landed on with the small Mil scale graduations. Put poor light and/or time stress into the mix and it is even worse.
To me, a 5 mil/rev turret can get even my slow ass .308 on to anything inside 650 yards on the first rev. Distance usually equates to time so I have no issues with getting into my 2nd rev at longer distance. Also, most wrists will force you to let go and re-grasp the turret after about the first 1/2 turn anyway.
For me, I think I can get to my setting faster and make my brain convinced that I'm where I want to be with the 5 mil turrets. I think they need to retain the 5 mil turrets as an option and wish some of the other scope makers out there had not gone to High Speed turrets.
Sometimes more is not better. What looks good in theory doesn't always work well in execution for a lot of folks.
I think myself and others with these concerns must make up only about 1% of the users out there but I thought I would share anyway.
Good job George and team. </div></div>
I thought that I was the only one not enamored by the "HS turret" craze... Out of all the scopes, I like the spacing on the EREK and NF turrets the best.
I personally like this scope just how it sits, a 10mil turret would be a turn off for me...
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mythree</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bronco_buster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> +1 on price ballpark?
</div></div>
The HDMR scopes are already on the market. They are $1350 retail. </div></div>
Where ?</div></div>
Google is your friend!!!!
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2671574#Post2671574
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2702843#Post2702843
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mythree</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bronco_buster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> +1 on price ballpark?
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The HDMR scopes are already on the market. They are $1350 retail. </div></div>
Where ?</div></div>
Google is your friend!!!!
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Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">isn't this very similar to the MTC reticle???
Is this scope made in China,..as in "assembled" in the US??? </div></div>
Negative... This scope is made in Japan. In fact Lightforce the same company that produces Nightforce and Vortex produces this scope.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">isn't this very similar to the MTC reticle???
Is this scope made in China,..as in "assembled" in the US??? </div></div>
Negative... This scope is made in Japan. In fact Lightforce the same company that produces Nightforce and Vortex produces this scope.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is there such a big push for 10 mils per rev?
This scope looks really nice as set up.
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. In my case and many other users that I know, we would much rather have a course index that you can hit guaranteed, on the money in a hurry. No matter how good the "clicks" feel, getting to your desired setting and then, and this is really important to us, visually confirming the setting in a hurry is a must. It takes us 2 or 3 glances to really be sure of what we landed on with the small Mil scale graduations. Put poor light and/or time stress into the mix and it is even worse.
To me, a 5 mil/rev turret can get even my slow ass .308 on to anything inside 650 yards on the first rev. Distance usually equates to time so I have no issues with getting into my 2nd rev at longer distance. Also, most wrists will force you to let go and re-grasp the turret after about the first 1/2 turn anyway.
For me, I think I can get to my setting faster and make my brain convinced that I'm where I want to be with the 5 mil turrets. I think they need to retain the 5 mil turrets as an option and wish some of the other scope makers out there had not gone to High Speed turrets.
Sometimes more is not better. What looks good in theory doesn't always work well in execution for a lot of folks.
I think myself and others with these concerns must make up only about 1% of the users out there but I thought I would share anyway.
Good job George and team. </div></div>
I thought that I was the only one not enamored by the "HS turret" craze... Out of all the scopes, I like the spacing on the EREK and NF turrets the best.
I personally like this scope just how it sits, a 10mil turret would be a turn off for me...
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I actully agree 100% as the tradeoff is a mushy feeling knob with the click seperation being way too tight.
Il like to see them add the Zero stop and then it would be perfect. Im sure you will see a few changes latter in production.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is there such a big push for 10 mils per rev?
This scope looks really nice as set up.
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. In my case and many other users that I know, we would much rather have a course index that you can hit guaranteed, on the money in a hurry. No matter how good the "clicks" feel, getting to your desired setting and then, and this is really important to us, visually confirming the setting in a hurry is a must. It takes us 2 or 3 glances to really be sure of what we landed on with the small Mil scale graduations. Put poor light and/or time stress into the mix and it is even worse.
To me, a 5 mil/rev turret can get even my slow ass .308 on to anything inside 650 yards on the first rev. Distance usually equates to time so I have no issues with getting into my 2nd rev at longer distance. Also, most wrists will force you to let go and re-grasp the turret after about the first 1/2 turn anyway.
For me, I think I can get to my setting faster and make my brain convinced that I'm where I want to be with the 5 mil turrets. I think they need to retain the 5 mil turrets as an option and wish some of the other scope makers out there had not gone to High Speed turrets.
Sometimes more is not better. What looks good in theory doesn't always work well in execution for a lot of folks.
I think myself and others with these concerns must make up only about 1% of the users out there but I thought I would share anyway.
Good job George and team. </div></div>
I thought that I was the only one not enamored by the "HS turret" craze... Out of all the scopes, I like the spacing on the EREK and NF turrets the best.
I personally like this scope just how it sits, a 10mil turret would be a turn off for me...
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I actully agree 100% as the tradeoff is a mushy feeling knob with the click seperation being way too tight.
Il like to see them add the Zero stop and then it would be perfect. Im sure you will see a few changes latter in production.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">isn't this very similar to the MTC reticle???
Is this scope made in China,..as in "assembled" in the US??? </div></div>
Negative... This scope is made in Japan. In fact Lightforce the same company that produces Nightforce and Vortex produces this scope. </div></div>
Steve is wrong Lightforce is Nightfore's parent Company
The Manufacturer is Light Optical, Japan to Bushnell's Drawings and specs
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">isn't this very similar to the MTC reticle???
Is this scope made in China,..as in "assembled" in the US??? </div></div>
Negative... This scope is made in Japan. In fact Lightforce the same company that produces Nightforce and Vortex produces this scope. </div></div>
Steve is wrong Lightforce is Nightfore's parent Company
The Manufacturer is Light Optical, Japan to Bushnell's Drawings and specs
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">isn't this very similar to the MTC reticle???
Is this scope made in China,..as in "assembled" in the US??? </div></div>
Negative... This scope is made in Japan. In fact Lightforce the same company that produces Nightforce and Vortex produces this scope. </div></div>
Steve is wrong Lightforce is Nightfore's parent Company
The Manufacturer is Light Optical, Japan to Bushnell's Drawings and specs </div></div>
Sorry about that George...I stand corrected.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">isn't this very similar to the MTC reticle???
Is this scope made in China,..as in "assembled" in the US??? </div></div>
Negative... This scope is made in Japan. In fact Lightforce the same company that produces Nightforce and Vortex produces this scope. </div></div>
Steve is wrong Lightforce is Nightfore's parent Company
The Manufacturer is Light Optical, Japan to Bushnell's Drawings and specs </div></div>
Sorry about that George...I stand corrected.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
George, if I could ask a stupid question......what is the advantage/idea of the half mil marks only on the right side of the center line? Less clutter?
Thanks
George, if I could ask a stupid question......what is the advantage/idea of the half mil marks only on the right side of the center line? Less clutter?
Thanks
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is there such a big push for 10 mils per rev?
This scope looks really nice as set up.
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. In my case and many other users that I know, we would much rather have a course index that you can hit guaranteed, on the money in a hurry. No matter how good the "clicks" feel, getting to your desired setting and then, and this is really important to us, visually confirming the setting in a hurry is a must. It takes us 2 or 3 glances to really be sure of what we landed on with the small Mil scale graduations. Put poor light and/or time stress into the mix and it is even worse.
To me, a 5 mil/rev turret can get even my slow ass .308 on to anything inside 650 yards on the first rev. Distance usually equates to time so I have no issues with getting into my 2nd rev at longer distance. Also, most wrists will force you to let go and re-grasp the turret after about the first 1/2 turn anyway.
For me, I think I can get to my setting faster and make my brain convinced that I'm where I want to be with the 5 mil turrets. I think they need to retain the 5 mil turrets as an option and wish some of the other scope makers out there had not gone to High Speed turrets.
Sometimes more is not better. What looks good in theory doesn't always work well in execution for a lot of folks.
I think myself and others with these concerns must make up only about 1% of the users out there but I thought I would share anyway.
Good job George and team. </div></div>
I thought that I was the only one not enamored by the "HS turret" craze... Out of all the scopes, I like the spacing on the EREK and NF turrets the best.
I personally like this scope just how it sits, a 10mil turret would be a turn off for me...
</div></div>
I actully agree 100% as the tradeoff is a mushy feeling knob with the click seperation being way too tight.
Il like to see them add the Zero stop and then it would be perfect. Im sure you will see a few changes latter in production. </div></div>
I partially agree with you guys about the 10 mil knob spacing being too close on some scopes.However the problem is easily solved by a wider knob like IOR's knob or a knob the size of a EREC knob.That way the best of both worlds is achieved.
look at S&B and Hensoldt.The spacing on them is very close but I've never read of a complaint about the click spacing on them.
My NF F1 HS Knobs are anything but mushy even though the clicks are a little closer than what I prefer.The IOR 10 mil knobs distance between clicks is about perfect.I wouldn't classify the click feel as mushy by any means.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A10XRIFLE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is there such a big push for 10 mils per rev?
This scope looks really nice as set up.
Everybody is screaming for a ton of mils per rev but for me, the trade off isn't worth it. Only way to do that is to get your visible and tactile graduations really close together. In my case and many other users that I know, we would much rather have a course index that you can hit guaranteed, on the money in a hurry. No matter how good the "clicks" feel, getting to your desired setting and then, and this is really important to us, visually confirming the setting in a hurry is a must. It takes us 2 or 3 glances to really be sure of what we landed on with the small Mil scale graduations. Put poor light and/or time stress into the mix and it is even worse.
To me, a 5 mil/rev turret can get even my slow ass .308 on to anything inside 650 yards on the first rev. Distance usually equates to time so I have no issues with getting into my 2nd rev at longer distance. Also, most wrists will force you to let go and re-grasp the turret after about the first 1/2 turn anyway.
For me, I think I can get to my setting faster and make my brain convinced that I'm where I want to be with the 5 mil turrets. I think they need to retain the 5 mil turrets as an option and wish some of the other scope makers out there had not gone to High Speed turrets.
Sometimes more is not better. What looks good in theory doesn't always work well in execution for a lot of folks.
I think myself and others with these concerns must make up only about 1% of the users out there but I thought I would share anyway.
Good job George and team. </div></div>
I thought that I was the only one not enamored by the "HS turret" craze... Out of all the scopes, I like the spacing on the EREK and NF turrets the best.
I personally like this scope just how it sits, a 10mil turret would be a turn off for me...
</div></div>
I actully agree 100% as the tradeoff is a mushy feeling knob with the click seperation being way too tight.
Il like to see them add the Zero stop and then it would be perfect. Im sure you will see a few changes latter in production. </div></div>
I partially agree with you guys about the 10 mil knob spacing being too close on some scopes.However the problem is easily solved by a wider knob like IOR's knob or a knob the size of a EREC knob.That way the best of both worlds is achieved.
look at S&B and Hensoldt.The spacing on them is very close but I've never read of a complaint about the click spacing on them.
My NF F1 HS Knobs are anything but mushy even though the clicks are a little closer than what I prefer.The IOR 10 mil knobs distance between clicks is about perfect.I wouldn't classify the click feel as mushy by any means.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
Here we go again,It is not an easy fix togo from 5mils to 10mils.
The shaft diameter for the detent spaceing needs to be larger & turret caps also need to larger, add another 50 lines to the same size cap and you got a white stripe!
Then there's the splines for the caps if they got it right 50 splines for 5mils, we need 100 splines for 10mil?.
Then the thraed pitch has to change, .001"-.002" for 1/10 of a mil at 100yds at .001"=20tpi or .002=10tpi, so 10mils perturn would need 10tpi or 5tpi?
An don't for get the chain!
Will this never end!
Here we go again,It is not an easy fix togo from 5mils to 10mils.
The shaft diameter for the detent spaceing needs to be larger & turret caps also need to larger, add another 50 lines to the same size cap and you got a white stripe!
Then there's the splines for the caps if they got it right 50 splines for 5mils, we need 100 splines for 10mil?.
Then the thraed pitch has to change, .001"-.002" for 1/10 of a mil at 100yds at .001"=20tpi or .002=10tpi, so 10mils perturn would need 10tpi or 5tpi?
An don't for get the chain!
Will this never end!
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wegner426</div><div class="ubbcode-body">George, if I could ask a stupid question......what is the advantage/idea of the half mil marks only on the right side of the center line? Less clutter?
Thanks </div></div>
you got it, no reason to have them on both sides
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wegner426</div><div class="ubbcode-body">George, if I could ask a stupid question......what is the advantage/idea of the half mil marks only on the right side of the center line? Less clutter?
Thanks </div></div>
you got it, no reason to have them on both sides
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
I appreciate that you put more than 5 Mils of windage on it. There have definitely been times @ Seneca Rock where I've wanted more than most reticles offer.
I appreciate that you put more than 5 Mils of windage on it. There have definitely been times @ Seneca Rock where I've wanted more than most reticles offer.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tipper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here we go again,It is not an easy fix togo from 5mils to 10mils.
The shaft diameter for the detent spaceing needs to be larger & turret caps also need to larger, add another 50 lines to the same size cap and you got a white stripe!
Then there's the splines for the caps if they got it right 50 splines for 5mils, we need 100 splines for 10mil?.
Then the thraed pitch has to change, .001"-.002" for 1/10 of a mil at 100yds at .001"=20tpi or .002=10tpi, so 10mils perturn would need 10tpi or 5tpi?
An don't for get the chain!
Will this never end!
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You'd make a good salesman and I'd almost believe it's near impossible to make a good 10 mil knob,except I own two examples that not only work correctly but have the demarcations lining up perfectly as well.
C'mon man it's 2011 and supposedly we put a man on the moon a half a century ago.Ain't no biggy making a 10-er.IMO,10 mil knobs ROCK.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tipper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here we go again,It is not an easy fix togo from 5mils to 10mils.
The shaft diameter for the detent spaceing needs to be larger & turret caps also need to larger, add another 50 lines to the same size cap and you got a white stripe!
Then there's the splines for the caps if they got it right 50 splines for 5mils, we need 100 splines for 10mil?.
Then the thraed pitch has to change, .001"-.002" for 1/10 of a mil at 100yds at .001"=20tpi or .002=10tpi, so 10mils perturn would need 10tpi or 5tpi?
An don't for get the chain!
Will this never end!
</div></div>
You'd make a good salesman and I'd almost believe it's near impossible to make a good 10 mil knob,except I own two examples that not only work correctly but have the demarcations lining up perfectly as well.
C'mon man it's 2011 and supposedly we put a man on the moon a half a century ago.Ain't no biggy making a 10-er.IMO,10 mil knobs ROCK.
Re: HDMR Bushnell Military, GAP G2 Reticle
That ret is going to be solid. I am fired up about the .1 spacing for ranging. Are we going to get a spotter with that ret? I just bought a Horus spotter but I will gladly sell it for that reticle.
That ret is going to be solid. I am fired up about the .1 spacing for ranging. Are we going to get a spotter with that ret? I just bought a Horus spotter but I will gladly sell it for that reticle.
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