Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

ryu_sekai

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If a heavier buffer reduces felt recoil, does going from a semi auto carrier to a FA M16 carrier also reduce recoil?

Also other than weight (little more material at the end) is there any difference between a F/A M16 BCG and a Semi Auto BCG?
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

FA BCGs do not weigh much more than their SA counterparts. For instance, the LMT FA BCG weighs 4 grams more than the SA BCG. It doesn't do much for felt recoil. What it does do is provided a fully shrouded firing pin which not all SA carriers do.

If you want to adjust felt recoil, you need to look at whether or not your rifle is overgassed. You should also consider swapping out the buffer for a heavier unit. And finally, look at an extra power action spring. My current run 'n gun rifle is a LMT 16" carbine and after running 1600 rounds through it in three days during a EAG Tactical class, I can confidently say that with the heavy carbine buffer and Wolff extra power recoil spring, it recoils much like a midlength would.
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MidwestPX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FA BCGs do not weigh much more than their SA counterparts. For instance, the LMT FA BCG weighs 4 grams more than the SA BCG. It doesn't do much for felt recoil. <span style="color: #FF0000">What it does do is provided a fully shrouded firing pin which not all SA carriers do</span>.

If you want to adjust felt recoil, you need to look at whether or not your rifle is overgassed. You should also consider swapping out the buffer for a heavier unit. And finally, look at an extra power action spring. My current run 'n gun rifle is a LMT 16" carbine and after running 1600 rounds through it in three days during a EAG Tactical class, I can confidently say that with the heavy carbine buffer and Wolff extra power recoil spring, it recoils much like a midlength would. </div></div>

Is this Young Match BCG(silver) considered full auto carrier or Semi? Looks like the only difference is the end piece. THE BCM(Blk) is M16
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Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

With recoil in a gas operated rifle there are two roads to follow with regards to lessening recoil.

1) you can make the reciprocating parts heavier and heavier to slow their movement.

2) Reduce the amount of gas with an adjustable gas block, lighten the BCG (usually with a lightened carrier, JP etc), and lighten the buffer. This not only slows all the reciprocating parts but they weigh less which reduces the amount of recoil.
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With recoil in a gas operated rifle there are two roads to follow with regards to lessening recoil.

1) you can make the reciprocating parts heavier and heavier to slow their movement.

2) Reduce the amount of gas with an adjustable gas block, lighten the BCG (usually with a lightened carrier, JP etc), and lighten the buffer. This not only slows all the reciprocating parts but they weigh less which reduces the amount of recoil.



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wait you kinda lost me,
part one is to increase the weight of moving parts, i.e. BCG/Buffer

part two is to reduce the weight of moving parts??? i.e. BCG/Buffer

also wouldn't a heavier spring push the BCG back harder and faster? how does heavier spring reduce recoil(claims made by extra power spring companies)

sorry for all the questions, just wanna know how everything works.
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ryu_sekai</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With recoil in a gas operated rifle there are two roads to follow with regards to lessening recoil.

1) you can make the reciprocating parts heavier and heavier to slow their movement.

2) Reduce the amount of gas with an adjustable gas block, lighten the BCG (usually with a lightened carrier, JP etc), and lighten the buffer. This not only slows all the reciprocating parts but they weigh less which reduces the amount of recoil.



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wait you kinda lost me,
part one is to increase the weight of moving parts, i.e. BCG/Buffer

part two is to reduce the weight of moving parts??? i.e. BCG/Buffer

also wouldn't a heavier spring push the BCG back harder and faster? how does heavier spring reduce recoil(claims made by extra power spring companies)

sorry for all the questions, just wanna know how everything works. </div></div>

second part that you missed was the adjustable gas system to use just enough gas to make everything work. That will reduce the felt recoil.
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ryu_sekai</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With recoil in a gas operated rifle there are two roads to follow with regards to lessening recoil.

1) you can make the reciprocating parts heavier and heavier to slow their movement.

2) Reduce the amount of gas with an adjustable gas block, lighten the BCG (usually with a lightened carrier, JP etc), and lighten the buffer. This not only slows all the reciprocating parts but they weigh less which reduces the amount of recoil.



</div></div>

wait you kinda lost me,
part one is to increase the weight of moving parts, i.e. BCG/Buffer

part two is to reduce the weight of moving parts??? i.e. BCG/Buffer

also wouldn't a heavier spring push the BCG back harder and faster? how does heavier spring reduce recoil(claims made by extra power spring companies)

sorry for all the questions, just wanna know how everything works. </div></div>

second part that you missed was the adjustable gas system to use just enough gas to make everything work. That will reduce the felt recoil. </div></div>


Ok, so basically run the HEAVIEST parts your gas system will allow.
In my experience lighter parts will always run, its just really violent and hard on the parts. Heavier parts may not always run causing short strokes etc


ETA: can any explain heavy springs to me?
also M16 MCG does not make a smoother shooting rifle compared to a Semi Auto BCG, correct?
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

When you go to the light parts and dont turn down some of the gas its going to be voilent, but if you lighten the parts and lessen the gas in conjunction to where there is just enough to cycle then the recoil is going to be the lightest.

By going heavy all you are really doing is using the energy from the gas system to move the weight more effeciently. If that makes sense.

Ive found that most factory guns are overgassed.
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MidwestPX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's a semi with a fully shrouded firing pin. </div></div>

Yup he's right, it's a semi.
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MidwestPX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's a semi with a fully shrouded firing pin. </div></div>

Yup he's right, it's a semi. </div></div>

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can anyone weigh in on the spring?
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ryu_sekai</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With recoil in a gas operated rifle there are two roads to follow with regards to lessening recoil.

1) you can make the reciprocating parts heavier and heavier to slow their movement.

2) Reduce the amount of gas with an adjustable gas block, lighten the BCG (usually with a lightened carrier, JP etc), and lighten the buffer. This not only slows all the reciprocating parts but they weigh less which reduces the amount of recoil.



</div></div>

wait you kinda lost me,
part one is to increase the weight of moving parts, i.e. BCG/Buffer

part two is to reduce the weight of moving parts??? i.e. BCG/Buffer

also wouldn't a heavier spring push the BCG back harder and faster? how does heavier spring reduce recoil(claims made by extra power spring companies)

sorry for all the questions, just wanna know how everything works. </div></div>

No worries, as I re read my post I see where you got confused. I was trying to point out two different methods to reduce recoil thus number 1 and number 2.

It seems that the route of making everything heavier, thus delaying the bolt unlocking, and slowing the function of the weapon down is preferred by those who are trying to achieve less recoil in the precision shooting setting where rapid followup shots are not necessary. I do not prefer this method as there is a net increase in the mass of all the moving parts and in effect does not reduce OVERALL recoil it just moves the major recoil impulse to a different time in the operational cycle of the gun. Namely after the shot has occurred.

However, I come from a 3Gun background and the most common way to reduce/eliminate recoil from an gas operated gun is to lighten all of the reciprocating parts (carrier, buffer, etc) and then only use as much gas as necessary (adjustable gasblock) to operate those lighter parts. This IMO is the better method as now we are controlling much less moving mass throuout the entire operational cycle. This results in net reduction in overall recoil at all points.

When we do this the addition of an efficient compensator virtually eliminates much of the movement of the gun allowing for very fast and accurate shooting.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

Thanks for answering that, it was the Info I was after. I'm more interested in faster follow up shots(less muzzle rise) than over all recoil reduction.

Also wanted add with the battle comp and certain buffer/BCG/spring combo my gun actually recoils downward. I'm gonna have to find that perfect balance lol
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ryu, a guy I shoot with has a National Match upper with an SJC titan comp on it, if he starts getting on the trigger it will actually walk shots downwards. </div></div>

When I was using Y/M BCG, STT2 Buffer, Extra Str Spring it would shoot fairly flat. When I switched the spring to a CAR Spring it would pretty much start pushing my muzzle down. Both were 6 rds under 2 seconds.

Im gonna switch out BCG/Buffer/Spring until I get a good balance lol.
 
Re: Heavier BCG reduce recoil?

I'm using the Tubbs Carrier Weight System. With the Steel (not the tungsten) insert there's a small reduction in felt recoil.
This is on the AR that I use in F T/R class long range matches.

Combined with the Tubb CS Spring, it's very nice. The tungsten insert gave me a few problems with the bolt-catch (I single load) so I use the steel one.

Thought about using an H2 buffer to attempt the same effect but went the spendy route as I sometimes do...