"heavily armed" guy with armor on goes shopping at MO Walmart.

[seansmd]

Don’t be a Whiney little pussy. The men amongst us ain’t losing anything.

I want to be you when I grow up I love internet tough guys, you will probably be one of the first red flag tagged internet heros, tell us how the defense of AJ's heavily fortified bunker will go down?

If you don't think having the law and the general public on our side doesn't help, then you are even more ignorant than your trolling would indicate. Even with this guy being within in his rights, walking into a wallyworld dressed tacticool open carrying, a within a week of the event in EP just reinforces a view most of the gun grabbers have of us ALL. They think we all are gun crazed ammosexuals who are one argument away from a mass shooting. You can post all the tough guy quotes about how you wont lose anything because your too tough.....

When the scales tip, they tip quickly, look how quickly the winds and the LAW changed around the definition of marriage. Only a matter of time before ArmyJerry is requesting a name change ArmyJane, she was badass in GI Jane?

 

[Centuriator]

And here is a photo of the idiot...interesting name: Dmitriy Andreychenko.

A commie infiltrator, obviously.

 

[Rthur]

Didn't read the article or all of the posts.
Did this man break any laws?
By reactions some have been lead to believe he did.
I'd like to see the black and white of the laws in this locale.
Strange, the 2nd was written to allow exactly the type of attitude this guy seems to have.
The propaganda has been successful at "programing" shame.

R

 

[Centuriator]

Didn't read the article or all of the posts.
Did this man break any laws?
By reactions some have been lead to believe he did.
I'd like to see the black and white of the laws in this locale.
Strange, the 2nd was written to allow exactly the type of attitude this guy seems to have.
The propaganda has been successful at "programing" shame.

R

You must be one of those guys who scream, "Officer, am I being detained?" or declare themselves to be a sovereign state. The stoopid is strong here.

 

[seansmd]

What if he left the rifle home and just wore the vest?

He would probably have drawn attention, and I would bet a call to LE

Will the fireman be charged?

Right? He was carrying in WM, don't they have a corporate policy, I ignore these but it could put you in a legal battle. I am glad he did it, it shows not only is the general populace on alert and on edge, so are we. I am more shocked no one in El Paso reacted who was carrying.

 

[308pirate]

And here is a photo of the idiot...interesting name: Dmitriy Andreychenko.

A commie infiltrator, obviously.

FPS Russia?

 

[Rthur]

We have a guy in our neighborhood who regularly puts on his body armor when he walks his dog. I asked him about it and he is Army reserve and simply wants to stay in better shape by wearing his body armor when he can. Didn't phase me one bit. On the other hand, if he were to start humping full kit with him, loaded Carbine and handgun, I might have some more questions.

Why?

R

 

[seansmd]

Didn't read the article or all of the posts.
Did this man break any laws?
By reactions some have been lead to believe he did.
I'd like to see the black and white of the laws in this locale.
Strange, the 2nd was written to allow exactly the type of attitude this guy seems to have.
The propaganda has been successful at "programing" shame.

R

Even when the law is on your side, using it to weaken you cause is stupid. This did NOTHING to help the view of gun owners and the definition of 2A in the eyes of voters. There is a populace like us who believe he is well within his rights, there is a populace who believe he should not be within his rights, and there is a growing middle who ARE changing their views. If we don't work extremely hard winning the PR war articulately and rationally then you will see enactment of new laws making our lives miserable.

 

[Rthur]

You must be one of those guys who scream, "Officer, am I being detained?" or declare themselves to be a sovereign state. The stoopid is strong here.

Lol....
So what you are really agreeing with is guilty until proven innocent.
Are you a lawyer?
BTW, as you are resorting to insults this must be who you are:

Prefered tactic of the SJW

R

 

[Centuriator]

Even when the law is on your side, using it to weaken you cause is stupid. This did NOTHING to help the view of gun owners and the definition of 2A in the eyes of voters. There is a populace like us who believe he is well within his rights, there is a populace who believe he should not be within his rights, and there is a growing middle who ARE changing their views. If we don't work extremely hard winning the PR war articulately and rationally then you will see enactment of new laws making our lives miserable.

 

[phxfa]

We have open carry/AR15 individuals demonstrating their rights all the time here in Phx, if I drew down
on them I’d either be charged, forced into shooting them or shot myself. If they’re not brandishing, you can’t do a thing

 

[Centuriator]

Note to Rthur:

 

[Rthur]

Even when the law is on your side, using it to weaken you cause is stupid. This did NOTHING to help the view of gun owners and the definition of 2A in the eyes of voters. There is a populace like us who believe he is well within his rights, there is a populace who believe he should not be within his rights, and there is a growing middle who ARE changing their views. If we don't work extremely hard winning the PR war articulately and rationally then you will see enactment of new laws making our lives miserable.

The truth is no matter how much we play nice, capitulate, they will always expect more and
push for more laws and confiscation.
They can not be satisfied until they have control over those they fear.
This man, while the timing and location isn't ideal, may inspire others to be willing to stand up
for the rights they know they own and can't be squelched.

R

 

[Rthur]

Note to Rthur:

Weak sauce...
Casterator portrait:

R

 

[EM92wx]

You tell us, what do you think would happen?

No law against wearing a vest. He would of been questioned for sure. Same thing if someone goes out and prints a gun. Your going to be questioned.

 

[seansmd]

The truth is no matter how much we play nice, capitulate, they will always expect more and
push for more laws and confiscation.
They can not be satisfied until they have control over those they fear.
This man, while the timing and location isn't ideal, may inspire other to be willing to stand up
for the rights they know they own and can't be squelched.

R

That is silly, timing matters, optics matter, we all are being judged by the few, even the few who are within their rights. We are being out marketed, out messaged, and fear plays. We need to drive the political engine, and having discussions like this with everyone we know. Not like AJ and his internet hero BS, but why this guy was within his rights but stupid in when, where, and why he did it.

I am sure that guy in Maryland thought he was within his rights too when the police showed up unannounced to take his guns and shot his old black ass. Laws change quickly, they change on fear even quicker.

They redefined a automatic weapon with a swipe of a pen after Vegas,.

 

[Rthur]

That is silly, timing matters, optics matter, we all are being judged by the few, even the few who are within their rights. We are being out marketed, out messaged, and fear plays. We need to drive the political engine, and having discussions like this with everyone we know. Not like AJ and his internet hero BS, but why this guy was within his rights but stupid in when, where, and why he did it.

I am sure that guy in Maryland thought he was within his rights too when the police showed up unannounced to take his guns and shot his old black ass. Laws change quickly, they change on fear even quicker.

They redefined a automatic weapon with a swipe of a pen after Vegas,.

You are laboring under the idea that we get can the media on our side, this effects directly what those who sit on the
fence, to control what they think.
They/them have control of the media, academia, social media.
If you think that placating to them is going to slow or stop them you are going to be dissappointed.
They/them are really a minority with the bullhorn, the media, bullshitting the plebs.

R

 

[W54/XM-388]

There are things you can legally do but are really stupid to do.

 

[seansmd]

You are laboring under the idea that we get can the media on our side, this effects directly what those who sit on the
fence, to control what they think.
They/them have control of the media, academia, social media.
If you think that placating to them is going to slow or stop them you are going to be dissappointed.
They/them are really a minority with the bullhorn, the media, bullshitting the plebs.

R

I am not talking about placating anyone, or under the belief that we can convert the media. I am talking about the general populace that is currently on our side but many are not firmly on our side. The past election and the Trump Derangement syndrome does show that despite the media most see through it.

When people on our side act like this fool, it is creating an environment for them to change laws. I know all of us have to constantly parse and educate our friends who aren't as tied into the real stories and navigating the erroneous data the press puts out that resonates with the general populace. More and more people who are on the fence move on these shootings, and on law abiding acts of fools like this guy.

Did this guy convince one voter that his "act" will make them call their reps and say back the fuck off my rights, no RFL, no evil black gun bans, no age change to own?

 

[FS1]

And racking a shotgun scares home intruders away.

And you look less vulnerable to a nutbag in a gun free zone.

 

[Rthur]

I am not talking about placating anyone, or under the belief that we can convert the media. I am talking about the general populace that is currently on our side but many are not firmly on our side. The past election and the Trump Derangement syndrome does show that despite the media most see through it.

When people on our side act like this fool, it is creating an environment for them to change laws. I know all of us have to constantly parse and educate our friends who aren't as tied into the real stories and navigating the erroneous data the press puts out that resonates with the general populace. More and more people who are on the fence move on these shootings, and on law abiding acts of fools like this guy.

Did this guy convince one voter that his "act" will make them call their reps and say back the fuck off my rights, no RFL, no evil black gun bans, no age change to own?

It's obvious we'll disagree on this.
Have we, gun advocates, gained any important ground in the last 20 years?
Haven't we played fairly nice in the majority of this timeframe?
How has this "RIGHT" been taken away piece by piece?
The answers to these questions are my reasoning behind my opinion.

R

 

[FS1]

I would take the crazy guy loaded with gun over the fat chick in a thong in the frozen food isle at Walmart any time .

At least you can shoot the crazy guy.

 

[Rthur]

An article for perspective on what our adversaries think:

They Will Still Hate You Even If You Disarm

townhall.com

R

 

[308pirate]

We have open carry/AR15 individuals demonstrating their rights all the time here in Phx, if I drew down
on them I’d either be charged, forced into shooting them or shot myself. If they’re not brandishing, you can’t do a thing

How many have you counted doing so in the last five to seven days?

 

[Fig]

I wonder what would have happened if someone would have just shot him in his fucking face?
It's kind of scary for me, because if I was with my family and I ran into him at the worm fridge, wearing body armor and toting an AR, I may have just done that rather than take a chance...

Is it reasonable that a CCW in the store believed that their life and the life's of those around him were in imminent, mortal danger?
I think it is. I would rather not appear in court to defend it, but my guess is that you would not be imprisoned even if it was found to be a mistake. I think it would be more likely that you would be hailed as a hero for stopping a mass murder (that probably would not have happened anyway).

Legal/Illegal, before you act you ought to

 

[308pirate]

You are laboring under the idea that we get can the media on our side, this effects directly what those who sit on the
fence, to control what they think.
They/them have control of the media, academia, social media.
If you think that placating to them is going to slow or stop them you are going to be dissappointed.
They/them are really a minority with the bullhorn, the media, bullshitting the plebs.

R

It's not about turning the media to our side. We all know that's not going to happen.

It's about NOT GIVING THEM MORE FUCKING FUEL TO BURN US WITH.

I am shocked you don't get such a simple and obvious point.

 

[seansmd]

An article for perspective on what our adversaries think:

They Will Still Hate You Even If You Disarm

townhall.com

R

We don't disagree, you seem to think I am advocating disarming or placating, couldn't be farther from the truth.

I am not a fan of using my rights in stupid ways.

 

[seansmd]

It's not about turning the media to our side. We all know that's not going to happen.

It's about NOT GIVING THEM MORE FUCKING FUEL TO BURN US WITH.

I am shocked you don't get such a simple and obvious point.

^^^^^This

 

[phxfa]

How many have you counted doing so in the last five to seven days?

What's the difference?
The law is the law, the guy is looking for trouble, I get it. Fucked up situation

 

[308pirate]

Missouri Walmart threat suspect ID'd by police, mug shot released

Police in Missouri identified the armed suspect that entered a Springfield Walmart on Thursday as 20-year-old Dmitriy Nickolayvich Andreychenko, who was reportedly stopped at gunpoint by a former firefighter before being taken into custody by police.

www.foxnews.com

Andreychenko was booked into the Greene County Jail at around 9:14 p.m. on an arresting charge of making a terroristic threat in the first degree, according to booking information from the Greene County Sheriff’s Office.

According to a Facebook page that appeared to be Andreychenko’s, he is originally from Portland, Oregon but lives with his wife in Springfield. He studied EMS/EMT at Ozarks Technical Community College.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

 

[308pirate]

What's the difference?
The law is the law, the guy is looking for trouble, I get it. Fucked up situation

The difference is common sense or lack thereof

 

[W54/XM-388]

There is also the chance that this guy was up to no good or doing a dry run to see how people responded before doing his actual run.

 

[Bullfrog08]

I seen a guy at Home Depot reach up to grab a board and his CCW was exposed. One hand was holding his daughter. OH THE HORROR!!!!! OH, THE FUCKING HORROR......a guy with a weapon......give me a fucking break! I had them in my truck in high school and I know most of you did too! He is only doing what we SHOULD ALL BE DOING! Normalizing safety! Do you all shoot at people walking into the range with a weapon? I don't understand the comments here! You realize in some countries, that is exactly what you wear shopping?

 

[Rthur]

We don't disagree, you seem to think I am advocating disarming or placating, couldn't be farther from the truth.

I am not a fan of using my rights in stupid ways.

My point is the day will come when what you think isn't stupid will be taboo to them.
They are a never ending line of complaints and pearl clutching bleeding hearts.
Not even giving them all up will satisfy their desires.

R

 

[Centuriator]

Rthur, you talk a big game.

Now how about you put your money where your big mouth is.

Kit up like the guy in the OP, and walk around your local Walmart. Video tape it and put it up here for us all to watch.

Go ahead, we will wait.

 

[Fig]

What makes you think his intentions were so benign? The cops obviously believe he did this to start the panic that it did. Context.

 

[Rthur]

It's not about turning the media to our side. We all know that's not going to happen.

It's about NOT GIVING THEM MORE FUCKING FUEL TO BURN US WITH.

I am shocked you don't get such a simple and obvious point.

If anyone hasn't noticed they are going to go full steam ahead whether we
play nice or not.
Until we go on the offensive concerning our rights we will get the same shit we've seen
for the last 20 plus years.
An example, NZ orders the owners to turn in their evil weapons.
Last I checked they've received 350 out of 1 million.
We are arguing about the the side effects, it is intentional btw.
The SCOTUS has been dodging bullshit laws being reviewed for years.
This is where hay is to be made.

R

 

[Rthur]

Rthur, you talk a big game.

Now how about you put your money where your big mouth is.

Kit up like the guy in the OP, and walk around your local Walmart. Video tape it and put it up here for us all to watch.

Go ahead, we will wait.

If I lived in MO I'd load my shit up.
As I'm in IL it would be a reason to call in an airstrike.
Since you're from middle america you haven't a clue about what this shit looks like in states like IL.
I've lived it for many decades and seen them push more shit down our throats because the
fucksticks in Chicago have combat lessons every weekend.
BTW does your state require an FOID?
It's obvious I've hurt your feelings...

R

 

[Centuriator]

If I lived in MO I'd load my shit up.
As I'm in IL it would be a reason to call in an airstrike.
Since you're from middle america you haven't a clue about what this shit looks like in states like IL.
I've lived it for many decades and seen them push more shit down our throats because the
fucksticks in Chicago have combat lessons every weekend.
BTW does your state require an FOID?
It's obvious I've hurt your feelings...
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R

Just as I thought...all talk.

 

[Rthur]

Just as I thought...all talk.

R

 

[lawofsavage]

If we don't work extremely hard winning the PR war articulately and rationally then you will see enactment of new laws making our lives miserable.

Is "articulately and rationally" normally what wins PR wars? Genuine question and I'm not trying to be a dick as this isn't really my lane but in my experience normally persuasiveness comes down whether someone likes you, trusts you, or is afraid of something.

I just don't see this idea of giving in and constantly capitulating to the other side hoping they will negotiate in good faith being something that is attractive to people or will ever win any pr wars. I just don't think that's how it works. In my opinion, that mindset is basically admitting defeat and sends signals that we are just begging they take our rights away slower rather than faster and we will never be a strong opponent politically or otherwise. I think being genuine and standing up for what you think is right and being willing to fight for it at least people can respect that even if they don't agree with it.

 

[Fig]

If I lived in MO I'd load my shit up.
As I'm in IL it would be a reason to call in an airstrike.
Since you're from middle america you haven't a clue about what this shit looks like in states like IL.
I've lived it for many decades and seen them push more shit down our throats because the
fucksticks in Chicago have combat lessons every weekend.
BTW does your state require an FOID?
It's obvious I've hurt your feelings...
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R

I totally get why you’re so pissed, and you have every right to be. Illinois should secede from Chicago.

 

[seansmd]

Is "articulately and rationally" normally what wins PR wars? Genuine question and I'm not trying to be a dick as this isn't really my lane but in my experience normally persuasiveness comes down whether someone likes you, trusts you, or is afraid of something.

I just don't see this idea of giving in and constantly capitulating to the other side hoping they will negotiate in good faith being something that is attractive to people or will ever win any pr wars. I just don't think that's how it works. In my opinion, that mindset is basically admitting defeat and sends signals that we are just begging they take our rights away slower rather than faster and we will never be a strong opponent politically or otherwise. I think being genuine and standing

up for what you think is right and being willing to fight for it at least people can respect that even if they don't agree with it.

So NOT getting all tacticool and loaded up and walking into Wally world, is giving in?
Ok check.

Some folks are making connections that aren't there. This action was stupid, no positive outcome.

 

[Rthur]

I totally get why you’re so pissed, and you have every right to be. Illinois should secede from Chicago.

If you get a chance see what was just recently passed on the FFL's in state.

R

 

[W54/XM-388]

One other thing I might suggest for those that want to "Protect" themselves.
Use concealable body armor if you want to wear it while running around doing normal civilian stuff like shopping at Walmart.

Someone sees your big plates, they are more likely to try for a head shot rather than center mass shot
(Including the police that might show up all trigger happy like...)

 

[lawofsavage]

So NOT getting all tacticool and loaded up and walking into Wally world, is giving in?
Ok check.

Some folks are making connections that aren't there. This action was stupid, no positive outcome.

I think it was a weird thing to do especially given the timing but it's just sort of one of those things where I think hey that's weird and move on especially if he didn't do anything illegal but I'm not familiar with the laws in that state

My idea of winning the "PR war" is standing up for no new restrictions on the second amendment and repealing unconstitutional restrictions currently in place

I understand it's a possibility that the "pr war" might be lost but I personally think there is a better chance of winning by taking a very strong public stance that no new restrictions are lawful and any new restrictions will be fought tooth and nail

Imo, the way to go if possible it to try to Make them take everything away at once which a very low percentage in the US support instead of chipping away little by little until there is nothing left

 

[lawofsavage]

imo, you're just not ever going to get the country club moms that sit around drinking wine and playing tennis while their kids are at school that we "need" ar's

Hell, they already have to take xanax and drink all day just to go hang out at the country club ... you're not ever going to convince them that our right to bear arms and to defend ourselves is essential to a free state to protect from further government overreach

Imo, the only thing that will be effective is drawing a line in the sand, are you for a complete ban or not for a complete ban which fortunately the numbers are still on our side for now

 

[QuickNDirty]

One other thing I might suggest for those that want to "Protect" themselves.
Use concealable body armor if you want to wear it while running around doing normal civilian stuff like shopping at Walmart.

Someone sees your big plates, they are more likely to try for a head shot rather than center mass shot
(Including the police that might show up all trigger happy like...)

I'm enjoying the Freeman plate carrier. Not the biggest plates, and no side protection, but it's light-weight and inconspicuous under a shirt.

 

[Rthur]

I'm enjoying the Freeman plate carrier. Not the biggest plates, and no side protection, but it's light-weight and inconspicuous under a shirt.

Which model?

R

 

[QuickNDirty]

Which model?

R

https://www.ar500armor.com/ar-freeman-plate-carrier-pkg.html