"Hello police my mom and dad are fighting again it's really annoying.....BLAM,BLAM,BLAM.

[beetroot]

I sure hope the officer had more information that what we have.

Kid calls cops to say parents are arguing "keeping him awake and it's annoying", says there are no weapons in the house.

Arrive on scene, hear some yelling, woman says (relatively calmly) he tried to hit me.
Officer pulls gun before walking into the house, sees a man that isn't particularly agitated and then shoots after a few seconds of altercation.

Can't help but think as soon as the woman was out the house the situation was de-escalated, walking straight in with no warning, gun drawn seemed completely unnecessary based on the information at hand.
That is unless there was a lot more known but they way they casually approach the property suggests that the woman's life was in danger.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

70+ million interactions with the police every year. With a population of 330 million minus the population under 10 years and those over 75 that's a very high percentage of the population having to interact with law enforcement.

 

[TexPatriot]

What a ClusterFuck. Kid calls cops and will regret that call the rest of his life. Wife opens door wide for cops and says "he tried to hit me", but will regret much of what she said and did that night.

Dad is dead. Dad shouldn't have been armed if it was just an argument. Cop has to live with the fact he killed a guy in his own home.

Perhaps the cop prevented an aggravated assault or murder. Maybe he wasted a guy who was just cleaning his guns while the wife bitched about how much she hates gun in her house- causing the argument.

Very sad.

The cunt wife set her husband up with the magic words cops love to hear. She won't regret shit until the repo man rolls up for her car and their home gets foreclosed on.

The cop will spend the rest of his life enjoying his reputation as a hero.

Who knows what the kid will do, probably keep riding his skateboard with his earbuds on.

 

[918v]

70+ million interactions with the police every year. With a population of 330 million minus the population under 10 years and those over 75 that's a very high percentage of the population having to interact with law enforcement.

That’s because of democraps

 

[ironpony52]

Was the guy holding an acorn..................??

 

[sea2summit]

70+ million interactions with the police every year. With a population of 330 million minus the population under 10 years and those over 75 that's a very high percentage of the population having to interact with law enforcement.

Don’t think that’s how math works. How many people are getting dealt with 10, 20, 100 times a year?

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Don’t think that’s how math works. How many people are getting dealt with 10, 20, 100 times a year?

Someone noticed what I did. It's something done every day by the Pravda and government.
It's a manipulation that works on many. That's how they get away with passing more and more laws and regulations. Eventually they will be having contact with a vast majority of the population. Show me the man and I will show you the crime. Want to doubt? Watch a 1st amendment audit video. There's plenty of double edged laws twisted for enforcement

 

[Ronws]

The wife walks out like it is not unusual to see police at the door.

How could the son say there were no weapons in the house when the father had an AR out and holding it?

The father said, "Don't come in here, boss." He saw it was a cop and was refusing to comply.

Her saying "He is trying to hit me," is fear of physical assault and he has the right to go in and investigate and possibly prevent a physical assault.

Even if he was only raising the arm that is holding the gun, that is movement with the gun hand. To quote Bill Paxton, "Game over, Man! Game over."

As for mag dump, the actual use of force is to keep applying the reactive force until the threat has stopped.

Here is an idea, crazy, I know but just humor me for a second.

How about the father not be abusive? Or the parents be more adult? How about the son not lie unless he was so young that he did not know? But his phrasing seems to imply that he is more likely a teenager. A 5 year old does not say annoying but a 17 year old might. How about the father not pick up or bring up a gun when the police do arrive? How about that?

Then, again, this cop can go home to his family instead of being target practice.

Or, the cops do not arrive and the father does whatever he feels like and we can see what the death toll then would be.

 

[MadDuner]

The wife walks out like it is not unusual to see police at the door.

How could the son say there were no weapons in the house when the father had an AR out and holding it?

The father said, "Don't come in here, boss." He saw it was a cop and was refusing to comply.

Her saying "He is trying to hit me," is fear of physical assault and he has the right to go in and investigate and possibly prevent a physical assault.

Even if he was only raising the arm that is holding the gun, that is movement with the gun hand. To quote Bill Paxton, "Game over, Man! Game over."

As for mag dump, the actual use of force is to keep applying the reactive force until the threat has stopped.

Here is an idea, crazy, I know but just humor me for a second.

How about the father not be abusive? Or the parents be more adult? How about the son not lie unless he was so young that he did not know? But his phrasing seems to imply that he is more likely a teenager. A 5 year old does not say annoying but a 17 year old might. How about the father not pick up or bring up a gun when the police do arrive? How about that?

Then, again, this cop can go home to his family instead of being target practice.

Or, the cops do not arrive and the father does whatever he feels like and we can see what the death toll then would be.

Domestic....
Always an unknown.

 

[gigamortis]

In the domestic disturbance game, the woman always knows the badges will always be on her side. Evil women will use this to ruin a man's life.

If a man discovers he has picked a crazy bitch to co-habitate with, he needs to leave the household and find another place to stay, even if it means foreclosure on the house. The bitch will not be able to stay once foreclosure is in motion. The law is never on the man's side.

 

[918v]

In the domestic disturbance game, the woman always knows the badges will always be on her side. Evil women will use this to ruin a man's life.

The king's men shouldn't even have to deal with domestic situations. The man and woman obviously picked each other to co-habitate with, so let them enjoy each other's company. If a woman thinks she is not treated fairly, she is free to leave. If the man thinks he is not treated fairly, he is free to leave.

Not as simple as you make it seem.

 

[Ronws]

In the domestic disturbance game, the woman always knows the badges will always be on her side. Evil women will use this to ruin a man's life.

If a man discovers he has picked a crazy bitch to co-habitate with, he needs to leave the household and find another place to stay, even if it means foreclosure on the house. The bitch will not be able to stay once foreclosure is in motion. The law is never on the man's side.

I tend to agree and he would have been able to do just that if he had not brought up a firearm to the police.

 

[Bolt_Overide]

it didn't used to be the way it is now.

^^ That

 

[Makinchips208]

Seems like a bad shoot in my opinion. But who knows.

And, Not that it’s relevant in today’s society or court.

But that guy was a failure as head of his home, a lousy husband, and not being a father to his son. How did he expect life to work out?

 

[RUTGERS95]

cops didn't

Since he tried to give them commands several times, that doesn’t seem to be a question.

first off, the cop shouldn't have even entered before calling out. The wife actually never gave permission to enter and the man, lawfully so, said not come near him.

you guys crack me

 

[PolarisBreach]

cops didn't

first off, the cop shouldn't have even entered before calling out. The wife actually never gave permission to enter and the man, lawfully so, said not come near him.

you guys crack me

Exigent circumstances. You forgot about the minor inside the residence who was so concerned about the altercation that he called 911. Cops can enter the dwelling to ensure the safety of other occupants, prevent the destruction of evidence, and prevent the escape of the suspect. Just because you don't like what happened doesn't mean it's a 4th amendment violation.

And the man didn't object to the officer entering until after he scurried around the corner and grabbed the weapon.

 

[TexPatriot]

cops didn't

first off, the cop shouldn't have even entered before calling out. The wife actually never gave permission to enter and the man, lawfully so, said not come near him.

you guys crack me

The cops got their permission to enter and shoot the guy when she gave them the free "He hit me, pushed me, assaulted me, please save me" passcode.

They will take that to court and say 'We were intervening in a case of DV.'

 

[HeavyAssault]

Keep on mag dumping. Cause this kind of thing keeps helping any case of self defense where more than 3-5 rounds fired will make it WELL within the “reasonable person” standard.

 

[Milf Dots]

I just watched it for about the sixth time and it sure looks like the guy has the AR in his hands when he turns away from the front door and he's fleeing the living room into the kitchen- see the vid at about the 44-45 second mark and reduce the playback to half or quarter speed.

 

[Tater Salad]

AR or no AR. If you listen closely, you can hear an acorn hit the kitchen floor.

 

[918v]

The old man was ready to die.

 

[Ronws]

AR or no AR. If you listen closely, you can hear an acorn hit the kitchen floor.

Damn it, I laughed out loud.

Well done.

 

[NoDopes]

AR or no AR. If you listen closely, you can hear an acorn hit the kitchen floor.

African or European acorn? They sound distinctly different.

 

[LawTalker]

I don’t know about you all, but I value staying alive, so I don’t fucking go try grab a gun and point it at the cops and expect nothing to happen.

So if I'm in my house and a stranger barges into my house in the middle of the night, I'm supposed to calmly evaluate who he is, what he wants, and make sure my hands are empty and visible in case it happens to be a police officer?

I typically carry a pistol on my person when inside my own home. Does this mean any cop who wants to barge into my house has the right to just storm inside and shoot me down the instant he sees that I am in my own house and am armed inside my own home?

 

[LawTalker]

Exigent circumstances. You forgot about the minor inside the residence who was so concerned about the altercation that he called 911. Cops can enter the dwelling to ensure the safety of other occupants, prevent the destruction of evidence, and prevent the escape of the suspect. Just because you don't like what happened doesn't mean it's a 4th amendment violation.

And the man didn't object to the officer entering until after he scurried around the corner and grabbed the weapon.

Exigent circumstances do not extend to entering a home where the minor caller said he was "annoyed" because "being annoyed" does not rise to the level of his life being in serious danger.

If he had said, "my drunk dad was pouring gasoline all over the place and threatening to torch the house, I called him out on it and he beat me and locked me in a closet" yeah, the cop could probably enter on exigent circumstances.

What I saw was a woman [the presumptive victim] leave the house and talk to the officer outside. The woman was outside of the house. Instead of staying outside to converse with her, the officer charged inside, without a warrant and without any valid exception to the 4th Amendment warrant requirement. I do not believe exigent circumstances were such that, "I had to go inside to make sure the teenager who called us was no longer being annoyed" is going to cut it.

 

[beetroot]

So if I'm in my house and a stranger barges into my house in the middle of the night, I'm supposed to calmly evaluate who he is, what he wants, and make sure my hands are empty and visible in case it happens to be a police officer?

Exactly.
The cops didn't announce who he was, and that he was coming in, just walks straight in with his gun drawn.
If the man was already worked up and/or drunk he wouldn't be thinking straight, allowing him additional 10 seconds to get his shit together would've gone a long way.

 

[beetroot]

This video seems to be a somewhat similar scenario.
The cop here was way too quick to approach the man and draw a gun on him, and at no point mad any attempt to de-escalate the situation.

The guy was stupid to reach into his pocket while being approached by the cop, but she didn't need to be approaching him at that stage (as proven in the interview later) and a guy in swimming trunks standing in broad day light isn't exactly a threat at any point in this video.

 

[LawTalker]

The wife walks out like it is not unusual to see police at the door.


Her saying "He is trying to hit me," is fear of physical assault and he has the right to go in and investigate and possibly prevent a physical assault.

So the wife walks *OUT* and you believe the officer needs to go inside to prevent a physical assault? How is the man going to assault her through a wall, through a door, and from 30-40 feet away? She is nowhere within his reach at the point in time when she comes outside.

 

[TexPatriot]

Your right to protect yourself from an armed intruder who was given the green light to kill you is over when they announce "Police!"

 

[AngryKoala]

Should have dropped his pants and wiggled is dangling bits at the officer.

 

[TexPatriot]

So the wife walks *OUT* and you believe the officer needs to go inside to prevent a physical assault? How is the man going to assault her through a wall, through a door, and from 30-40 feet away? She is nowhere within his reach at the point in time when she comes outside.

Best asked in Steve Bushemi's voice in "Fargo".

 

[Bolt_Overide]

I just cant understand how the idea that this sort of shit is what's causing all the cop hate. Where is the evidence the guy did something, anything wrong? An offhand comment from his wife as she LEFT THE FUCKING HOUSE? His kid calling 911 because their fighting was keeping him awake? The fact that he had a firearm IN HIS FUCKING HOME?!

Do you not see how this sort of shit is turning normal, reasonable, formerly police backing people against you? My old man was a fed, he did a lot of good putting a ton of really evil fucks away, he and his contemporaries are probably rolling over in their graves at you disgusting fucks.

 

[jakelly]

There’s just way too much I don’t know about this situation.

Here’s a total fiction story that I couldn’t refute based on what I saw:

What if the guy just wrestled the rifle away from the wife? What if she has recently gotten strung out on pills and gets physical and crazy when he confronts her? This particular night he has 7-8 beers watching TV and she shows up loaded. When he makes a comment, she goes off. Spitting, hitting, breaking, the whole shebang. She even picks up his AR which he doesn’t actually think she’ll use, but in her condition she needs disarmed, which he does as she screams and spits in his face. She turns and leaves right as the cops are coming up the driveway. Panic sets in and he looks for a place to stash the gun. Too late.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Or new idea.
You see a cop with their hand anywhere near their gun, "you are in fear for your life" and have to mag dump on them.

This is exactly what one of my biggest issues are with this new SOP the police have adopted. It's VERY legitimate to believe "if a cop comes in my house and is touching his gun, he's going to kill me".

#2- as stated, how in the hell is anyone supposed to identify a police officer in a second or two??? This scenario is tantamount to "police have the right to come into my house and shoot me". We either have rights or we don't. It's painfully obvious that we don't.

 

[Milf Dots]

Lots of good observations on both sides of this.

 

[PolarisBreach]

Exigent circumstances do not extend to entering a home where the minor caller said he was "annoyed" because "being annoyed" does not rise to the level of his life being in serious danger.

If he had said, "my drunk dad was pouring gasoline all over the place and threatening to torch the house, I called him out on it and he beat me and locked me in a closet" yeah, the cop could probably enter on exigent circumstances.

What I saw was a woman [the presumptive victim] leave the house and talk to the officer outside. The woman was outside of the house. Instead of staying outside to converse with her, the officer charged inside, without a warrant and without any valid exception to the 4th Amendment warrant requirement. I do not believe exigent circumstances were such that, "I had to go inside to make sure the teenager who called us was no longer being annoyed" is going to cut it.

The minor specifically said that his parents arguments "get out of control". We don't have the full recording to see what else was said. What the officer did see when the woman exits the house to talk to his partner was the guy running away. Since the woman said he was assaulting her and you could hear the fight from the street, the police now has probable cause and the guy is a suspect. Furthermore, is he going to beat the shit out of his kid for calling the cops? Who knows. I do know that if both cops stayed outside and the guy went and killed his kid for calling the cops, we'd have another thread about how all cops are cowards.

Exactly.
The cops didn't announce who he was, and that he was coming in, just walks straight in with his gun drawn.

What video did you watch? The cop didn't draw his weapon until after he saw the guy with his. You can hear the gun clear his holster. He most likely had his hand on it, but you can tell from the tone of his voice he wasn't expecting to walk into an armed suspect.

 

[beetroot]

The minor specifically said that his parents arguments "get out of control". We don't have the full recording to see what else was said. What the officer did see when the woman exits the house to talk to his partner was the guy running away. Since the woman said he was assaulting her and you could hear the fight from the street, the police now has probable cause and the guy is a suspect. Furthermore, is he going to beat the shit out of his kid for calling the cops? Who knows. I do know that if both cops stayed outside and the guy went and killed his kid for calling the cops, we'd have another thread about how all cops are cowards.

The woman walks out of the house relatively calmly, claiming "he tried to hit me" hardly the response of someone in fear of their life.
The son also says on the phone call they've been arguing for hours, and he can't sleep, and it's "annoying".

What video did you watch? The cop didn't draw his weapon until after he saw the guy with his. You can hear the gun clear his holster. He most likely had his hand on it, but you can tell from the tone of his voice he wasn't expecting to walk into an armed suspect.

Yeah, the Police approach the house not expecting an armed suspect, the walk up pretty casually all things considered.
If you have no information to suggest there is imminent danger to life, why rush straight into the house? If you are surprised to see the guy armed (in his own home not threatening anyone) why put your self in danger?
What if the sons bedroom was behind the kitchen area and got caught in the crossfire?

The Police are undeniable far to quick to enter to draw their weapon on someone, especially when they are in their own home.
The video I posted previously was further evidence of this, and probably had more reason for the guy to get shot as they had reports of someone armed and the guy reached into his pocket.

Don't forget this recent gem.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dramatic-body-camera-video-released-officers-shooting-woman/story?id=107171359

 

[TexPatriot]

Or new idea.
You see a cop with their hand anywhere near their gun, "you are in fear for your life" and have to mag dump on them.

This kinda reminds me of another cop / homeowner interaction. Feds showed up at guy's front door and began questioning him about his recent purchase of solvent traps, telling him if he turned them over right then he wouldn't be in any trouble.

When he refused to answer questions, one Fed told him "I tell you what, do me a favor and keep your hands out of your pockets."
The homeowner responded with "You're trespassing on my property, I'll put my hands anywhere I want to."

Then he told them to get fuc't...and stop shooting people's dogs.

 

[tucaz]

ho-lee-fuk thats a messy cluttered house.

 

[Milf Dots]

ho-lee-fuk thats a messy cluttered house.

The woman clearly spent way too much money on pointless decorative type junk.

 

[LawTalker]

ho-lee-fuk thats a messy cluttered house.

With the settlement money they can probably buy a new uncluttered house and have enough money left over to start cluttering things again.

 

[LawTalker]

The woman clearly spent way too much money on pointless decorative type junk.

I wonder if people ever ask themselves, "how embarrassing will it be for people to see my house if I'm getting wasted on police body camera footage and the world is going to watch the footage when it goes viral."

That might motivate some people to keep a cleaner house.

 

[jakelly]

The woman clearly spent way too much money on pointless decorative type junk.

That’s a characteristic of the Northern Methican style.

 

[Milf Dots]

That’s a characteristic of the Northern Methican style.

Or the female's 'Gatherer' instincts on hyperdrive.

 

[tucaz]

Or the female's 'Gatherer' instincts on hyperdrive.

that does seem to be a thing doesnt it

or is that the board housewife, right before they step out on ya. lol

 

[LawTalker]

The woman walks out of the house relatively calmly, claiming "he tried to hit me" hardly the response of someone in fear of their life.
The son also says on the phone call they've been arguing for hours, and he can't sleep, and it's "annoying".


Yeah, the Police approach the house not expecting an armed suspect, the walk up pretty casually all things considered.
If you have no information to suggest there is imminent danger to life, why rush straight into the house? If you are surprised to see the guy armed (in his own home not threatening anyone) why put your self in danger?
What if the sons bedroom was behind the kitchen area and got caught in the crossfire?

The Police are undeniable far to quick to enter to draw their weapon on someone, especially when they are in their own home.
The video I posted previously was further evidence of this, and probably had more reason for the guy to get shot as they had reports of someone armed and the guy reached into his pocket.

Don't forget this recent gem.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dramatic-body-camera-video-released-officers-shooting-woman/story?id=107171359

I've seen police trespass into a dude's back yard by hopping a fence or opening a gate [to get across his property to another person's property] in a non-emergency situation and then kill the dog in the fenced in area when the dog comes running up.

Police, generally speaking, don't respect the private property of basic citizens. They seem to think their badge empowers them to enter, cross, break into, or otherwise intrude upon, anybody's property at any time for any purpose.

 

[TexPatriot]

I've seen police trespass into a dude's back yard by hopping a fence or opening a gate [to get across his property to another person's property] in a non-emergency situation and then kill the dog in the fenced in area when the dog comes running up.

Police, generally speaking, don't respect the private property of basic citizens. They seem to think their badge empowers them to enter, cross, break into, or otherwise intrude upon, anybody's property at any time for any purpose.

Some don't think made men be like 'dat, but 'dey do.

 

[ironpony52]

My Mom taught me 2 things at about 5 years old, well 3.

Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see

The only way 2 people can keep a secret is one has to be dead

NEVER trust a cop.

Has served me well for 60 + years.

I have had 3-5 interactions with police on Official business, I acted respectful and all went well.

I have shot competitive for many years and every officer I have encountered has a problem with following the rules.

The few I have been around in personal scenarios treated everyone like a criminal.

YMMV.

as far as the video and many others on the news the police are way too fast to shoot. IMO if they are that skittish about being confronted they need to find other employment.

I am sure we all remember the acorn incident.

 

[Ronws]

My Mom taught me 2 things at about 5 years old, well 3.

Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see

The only way 2 people can keep a secret is one has to be dead

NEVER trust a cop.

Has served me well for 60 + years.

I have had 3-5 interactions with police on Official business, I acted respectful and all went well.

I have shot competitive for many years and every officer I have encountered has a problem with following the rules.

The few I have been around in personal scenarios treated everyone like a criminal.

YMMV.

as far as the video and many others on the news the police are way too fast to shoot. IMO if they are that skittish about being confronted they need to find other employment.

I am sure we all remember the acorn incident.

Full disclosure - if I get another dog, I may dress him in a cat suit. Or learn some Jedi mind trick like the soldiers at Mos Eisley.

"This is not the dog you are looking for."

 

[ironpony52]

Full disclosure - if I get another dog, I may dress him in a cat suit. Or learn some Jedi mind trick like the soldiers at Mos Eisley.

"This is not the dog you are looking for."

I do not get it, a movie ??