Night Vision Helmets! Helmets everywhere! Which is best for NODs?
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Just got shipping notice, if it gets here by this weekend it'll be right around 12 weeks from ship to arrival. Not too bad, I'll be using it for the wife's NV setup so the extra comfort will be appreciated.
I can’t comment on this helmet specifically. I have the team Wendy ballistic SL, which I upgraded to from their bump version. In terms of weight I couldn’t really notice much of a difference at all. I originally ordered the regular xfil ballistic, but Steele upgraded me to the SL free of charge. Keep in mind this was off of a free $1000 gift card he sent me for an issue with a product in the past. Anyways I’m very impressed with the comfort and weight of the ballistic SL from them. My version even had Hillary’s autograph on the inside of the shell (LOL, trying to beat you guys to it). Only complaint I had was the new Wilcox SL shroud. It wasn’t as snug as I would have liked. A few pieces of electrical tape behind it though, and the issue was fixed. I’ve tried on an opscore, 3m, and a gentex. I think comfort and weight favor the Wendy SL.
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Mine is still hanging out in Koeln as well but it seems to have gotten there Friday at 0500 and hasn’t been scanned since.
I didn’t get a delivery estimate until mine hit the Memphis hub and hung out there for a few days.
Office is open today and apparently FedEx got lazy and said they couldn't deliver because it was closed
Got a text that it is still “in transit” in Koeln at 1900 Lima. Sounds like the version of “still on its way to its destination” update the post office uses when it hasn’t been scanned in awhile.
Bullet Proof is offering a sale on the Dane helmets.
That gets them to $449.
I see the Legacy helmets are also $449. Looks like Legacy has a metal wilcox and maybe the rails are actually ARCH standard.
Might order one of these if there is a discount code to get that rice down some.
That gets them to $449.
I see the Legacy helmets are also $449. Looks like Legacy has a metal wilcox and maybe the rails are actually ARCH standard.
Might order one of these if there is a discount code to get that rice down some.
Are there any differences between these two models? Visually they look the same, same price, etc
Glad I found this thread, been looking for a decent helmet system that isnt a $1500+ Ops Core
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Glad I found this thread, been looking for a decent helmet system that isnt a $1500+ Ops Core
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Are there any differences between these two models? Visually they look the same, same price, etc
Glad I found this thread, been looking for a decent helmet system that isnt a $1500+ Ops Core
Protection Group Denmark Level IIIA ARCH Ballistic Hi-Cut Helmet
The ARCH ballistic helmet from PGD body armor is made in woven aramids, making this resistant to some of the most advanced ballistic threats. Order Protection Group Denmark Level IIIA ARCH Ballistic Hi-Cut Helmet today from Bulletproof Zone. FREE Shipping & Insurance on all Ballistic Body Armor.
Legacy FAST Level IIIA Ballistic Helmet
Legacy Safety & Security FAST ballistic helmet is a high performance, multi-layer, light weight combat helmet. Order Legacy FAST Level IIIA Ballistic Helmet today from Bulletproof Zone. FREE Shipping & Insurance on all Ballistic Body Armor.
Man surprised to see you here. Your PX offerings are where I pickup/see great gear.
I did some research earlier and couldnt determine actual place of origin for Legacy. Think I posted in here somewhere the responses from the manufacturer.
The legacy looks like it has a metal accessory mount. Indications are the plastic mount with the Dane product is good.
The dane helmet comes with two sets of rails one in spec/one not.
Got one of the legacy hats in my cart, waiting to see if the bot offers a discount. $400 will cause me to pull the trigger.
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It does , in fact, have a bit of slop.
I ordered the khaki helmet and received only one set of rails. The only ones getting 2 rails seem to be the mulicam helmets. As far as spec..... I did get the Princeton light on but it took some effort.... haven't got the file out yet......
SERIOUSLY, did you all see this shit!? That's some serious protection. I suspect there will be special threat plates very soon that will stop some serious shit, I hate to speculate here. This helmet isn't anything special, it's just a lamination of existing shit --kevlar, ceramic and UHMW.So when will we see a Danish version?
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Gentex Announces Ops-Core® FAST Helmet System Passes U.S. Government First Article Testing for Higher Level Threat - Frag Out! Magazine
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Ops-Core FAST R2 Helmet - Defeats AK 7.62x39 rounds - Frag Out! Magazine
The FAST R2 helmet is the newest member of the Ops-Core FAST helmet family and the most innovative and advanced head protection on the market. In addition to protection against fragments and handgun rounds, it is capable to stop 7.62 x 39 AK rounds. The FAST R2 can be seamlessly integrated into...
The FAST R2 helmet is the newest member of the Ops-Core FAST helmet family and the most innovative and advanced head protection on the market. In addition to protection against fragments and handgun rounds, it is capable to stop 7.62 x 39 AK rounds.
It's a goddamn brain bucket that weighs no more than a typical ACH (maybe less) AND will stop a x51!!! It says nothing about deformation or impulse but I wouldn't wanna take one of those to the head, you may not splatter on the wall but you may get to drool and wear a bike helmet for life.
It's still pretty impressive. If I didn't have the Crye helmet already AND if I actually used the damn thing, I might consider it. But I gotta be honest, since I got that soft cover I don't really use much else with a set of 14's. And it is the most basic 3A ballistic protection for a little over 2lbs of weight.
SO on these new helmets you all are going on about, anyone done real testing on 'em?
Deformation is probably more important than penetration and then there's the reduction in impulse, how much force it minimizes over how much time.
I saw a documentary show on Amazon (ian mccollum, et al) where they took a few helmets and tested 'em. Some budget models and at least one no-shit milspec issue model. Well, the results were sobering.
The cheap helmets without fail took deformations with rated rounds that were lethal. Yeah, it stopped that .44mag and 12ga., and that's fine and all if you don't mind a baseball size crater in your head. WITHOUT FAIL the cheap helmets did this. So you do get what you pay for here.
They ain't like ceramic plates where the ceramic is pretty cheap and the main difference is the cost of the filler that determines weight. A cheap plate can hold up and it's been proven time and again. Helmets, not tested so much. So I recommend checking out that thing on Amazon, just search for it if you have prime. "Ian mccollum" and "helmets" should bring it up.
I could be wrong but I think a big part of the cost of a helmet is going towards the insurance and rating they provide and they get that through UL or NIJ or MSHA testing or whoever handles it.
Deformation is probably more important than penetration and then there's the reduction in impulse, how much force it minimizes over how much time.
I saw a documentary show on Amazon (ian mccollum, et al) where they took a few helmets and tested 'em. Some budget models and at least one no-shit milspec issue model. Well, the results were sobering.
The cheap helmets without fail took deformations with rated rounds that were lethal. Yeah, it stopped that .44mag and 12ga., and that's fine and all if you don't mind a baseball size crater in your head. WITHOUT FAIL the cheap helmets did this. So you do get what you pay for here.
They ain't like ceramic plates where the ceramic is pretty cheap and the main difference is the cost of the filler that determines weight. A cheap plate can hold up and it's been proven time and again. Helmets, not tested so much. So I recommend checking out that thing on Amazon, just search for it if you have prime. "Ian mccollum" and "helmets" should bring it up.
I could be wrong but I think a big part of the cost of a helmet is going towards the insurance and rating they provide and they get that through UL or NIJ or MSHA testing or whoever handles it.
Thanks I just went farther back and saw the notes on each model.
Even though the PGD looks like it is going to require some modification to use a Wilcox shroud and aftermarket arc rails, at $400 shipped it's still a good deal and less of a gamble than the $200-300 chinese ones on other sites
Well mine is finally stateside and is actually in my local sorting facility , although they say friday delivery. Whatever. It had better be worth the wait!
the stupid thing is, i ordered multicam, which is the best out of their offerings, but should have just went with fde as i want it to be atacs au or fg to match my camo.
the stupid thing is, i ordered multicam, which is the best out of their offerings, but should have just went with fde as i want it to be atacs au or fg to match my camo.
My PDG is supposed to arrive today. We'll see if I am surprised or disappointed when I get home.
My MC unit showed up as I was heading out the door for work so I didn’t have time to open the box yet. When I get home I’ll pop it open and make a report.
Well, let me start off with: the horta didn’t lie. This mofo is as comfortable as a pillow. Holy shit! I was not aware something could be so comfortable.
Boa system works as it should. my salty ass ebay mount fits snugly into the shroud like it was made for it. Zero wiggle.
have not worked up the rails yet, ill worry about those later as I don’t have anything to put on them as of yet.
just want to say, i could sleep with this thing on.
Boa system works as it should. my salty ass ebay mount fits snugly into the shroud like it was made for it. Zero wiggle.
have not worked up the rails yet, ill worry about those later as I don’t have anything to put on them as of yet.
just want to say, i could sleep with this thing on.
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Got my large in, weighs 3lbs 3oz with the pads added. Overall seems like a decent helmet for the price. Wish the rail played nice with my arc stuff but it's nbd (atleast it's not totally proprietary like the IHPS). This is gonna be the wife's setup anyways. Not bad for the ~$370, almost Chinese pricing but seems decently made from fondling it.
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Ok, opened the box and it was well packaged for the long journey. Put the pads in with the same configuration as Jgunner and, yeah, this thing is damn comfortable. It feels like a I have a slightly heavier ball cap on. Love the suspension system and the boa is a nice addition. Rail adapters are included but I haven’t taken delivery of the comtac mounts yet to see how they work with ear pro. A HUGE improvement from the MICH I was used to. That MICH will never be worn again as long as I have this bucket. Love this helmet already. I can definitely see this being worn all day or night and there being no issues.
ETA- My rhino 2 mount fits like a glove and there is zero wiggle or slop.
Going back to the beginning of the thread and rereading the posts again, I need to ask-
Any of you guys who took delivery of the multicam units this go around get that second set of FDE rails like the guys earlier in the thread? I got the multicam rails that are on the helmet but no spare set like the others got.
No big deal for me but if the FDE units were in spec I was going to use those instead of sanding/filing on the ones with the multicam finish.
ETA- My rhino 2 mount fits like a glove and there is zero wiggle or slop.
Going back to the beginning of the thread and rereading the posts again, I need to ask-
Any of you guys who took delivery of the multicam units this go around get that second set of FDE rails like the guys earlier in the thread? I got the multicam rails that are on the helmet but no spare set like the others got.
No big deal for me but if the FDE units were in spec I was going to use those instead of sanding/filing on the ones with the multicam finish.
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Supposed to be delivered today. If so, the FedEx guy is going to hate life getting up my driveway in his 2wd van. The run off from snow melt on my property is still keeping it a muddy mess. UPS was smarter as they provided their delivery guy with a Ram 5500 4wd truck to make deliveries to the people out here, where it is ALL dirt roads.
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mine didnt come with the extra rails i tried using the supplied rail mount unit and anther one i had to mount a light and they are tight as fuck like force on just to start will need sanding. i think from looking and trying it might be from the multicam coating going to try today again and do a little sanding. overall still happy with the helmet.
Mine just arrived so I did the drive to the house from work to get the package. I concur this thing is comfy!
Couple questions on this helmet.
1. Can some one tell me if it's as comfortable as wearing a team wendy bump for hours, considering it weighs a little more than a bump.
2. What do you need in addition to what's included to use comtac v's on it(also how well do they fold away and or pop up to relieve some pressure) .
Guess 3 questions, 3. Does a wilcox fit snugly?
1. Can some one tell me if it's as comfortable as wearing a team wendy bump for hours, considering it weighs a little more than a bump.
2. What do you need in addition to what's included to use comtac v's on it(also how well do they fold away and or pop up to relieve some pressure) .
Guess 3 questions, 3. Does a wilcox fit snugly?
Tried out a One Tigris helmet cover( $16/$23+ w/ship & tax....what the heck...). Was supposed to fit air soft l/xl or Opscore Fast ballistic L. My PGD is a large and as you can see it is sloppy big. It may fit an XL better. As per a suggestion on ARFCOM, I'm going to try the FirstSpear hybrid OpsCore cover next. Will pass on findings.
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I am looking at silynx, but their tech support is marginal at best. Takes a week to get a return email
And its short worded. I like not having something over my ear, prefer a ear bud type. No mounting necessary!
1- I haven’t had mine on all day yet but considering I got through a MICH all day, I believe this Denmark beauty will be so much better to wear all day just from the two hours I spent in it so far. Can’t compare to the TW since I don’t have one, sorry.
2- I have set of peltor arc rail adapters on backorder so I can’t comment on folding them away just yet but from what I understand there is an adapter in the plastic bag that came with it for mounting the arc rail ear pro adapters.
3- Assuming you mean the shroud interface, my rhino 2 locks up solid as a rock. Zero movement. Your mount may vary.
Triton225....
I have a TW Exfil bump. The PGD is WAY more comfortable. I wear mine while watch tv, taking out the trash and just checking for deer in the backyard and it still as comfortable when I doff as when I donn.
Can't help you on #2 since I have no ear pro as of yet.
I swapped out my shroud w/Wilcox. Mine was a tad sloppy. The Wilcox took care of that. See post #272.
I have a TW Exfil bump. The PGD is WAY more comfortable. I wear mine while watch tv, taking out the trash and just checking for deer in the backyard and it still as comfortable when I doff as when I donn.
Can't help you on #2 since I have no ear pro as of yet.
I swapped out my shroud w/Wilcox. Mine was a tad sloppy. The Wilcox took care of that. See post #272.
