Rifle Scopes Help choose an optic for me

[GhengisAhn175]

Looking to get a scope for an ar 762 platform. Unsure how I want to go about this..

It's on a 16.5" 7.62 battle rifle. I say battle rifle will be intended use.. Will do cqb up to medium range 500-600m for a 762) and occasional 800 +\- on man sized targets. I would like to do rapid engagements but when I need to fine tune a shot at distance be able to either with holdover on reticle or dialing.

With all this being said, several come to mind with
Additional questions.

Acog 6x, specter dr 1.5-6, vortex razor 1-6.

Currently have the NF nxs 2.5-10 but my issue with tube scopes is that I might not be able to make my quick high ready shots in short ranges without focusing on sight picture first.

That's what I worry about the vortex 1-6 . I haven't had time behind it but I'm assuming at 1x sould be easy to high readys like an eo tech. But to be fair, I suppose it would take practice and most shots outside of cqb take time to focus in target instead of putting the donut or dot of death.

Acog 6x is fixed and wonder if I can cqb with it.. I had an acog for a little bit for an m4 but didn't like it because of eye relief and it was
Hard to do reflexive firing. However I heard
The newer acogs are supposedly Better with this but my gripes is that it may be hard
For cqb purposes unless I get an rmr on top and I don't believe I can fine then dial in shots. Also if I handload the bdc may be off.

Specter. I love the specter, gave up the acog in my unit for one in a 1-4 and it's been my primary. I love how I can keep it at 1x and throw the lever for 4x and use a bdc. I haven't had time
Behind the 1.5-6 but my only gripe ATM would be that I cannot dial in shots unless they implemented such.

Leupold hamr w/ delta point. Another great
Consideration but I don't know if they have one calibrated for a 762 bdc reticle and again dialing. Also, forgot to mention on acog.. Worried about the reflex sight on top catching or breaking as it's an external feature.

Any other scopes or optics I should be aware of or maybe clarify?


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[fdkay]

New Steiner T5xi 1-5 with 7.62 reticle, Burris also has the new XTR II optics, Weaver 1-5 tactical and SWFA 1-6 should be considered. The IOR Pitbull operates with the same idea as the Spectre, it is 1x or 4x. can't speak to how well they pull it off.

 

[GhengisAhn175]

Did some more research and need a couple more suggestions..

I narrowed down my criteria to not have the reticle be restricted to a BDC. With that being said, any 1-6, 1-8, 1-10 will do as far as zoom. I need for the reticle at 1x to be a good red dot and when I need to zoom in for more precise shots, dial.
I plan on switching this from different calibers, which is why It cant be a BDC. I was looking through when I found a scope that had either a horseshoe,circle or broken circle that was visible at 1x but when zoomed in it virtually disappears or becomes an outer ring and you work with moa/mil reticle. Anyone know which scopes have this design that I would be interested in?

 

[Redmanss]

Your two best options for that are the SWFA 1-6x or the Leupold Mark 6 1-6x in TMR.

 

[delixe]

I prefer a Bushnell SMRS SFP BTR-2 1-6.5x24 over the SWFA 1-6.
BTR-2 reticle is mil hash.
Glass is as good as the SWFA.
4 ounces lighter than the SWFA, too.
For 1-x power scopes SFP is the way to go.
Vortex figured it out, their 2nd generation 1-x is SFP while first gen is FFP.
SWFA did a pretty good job designing a reticle to work in an FFP scope but the aiming circle is too large for rapid target acquisition in close quarters.

My experience only.

 

[GhengisAhn175]

Thanks found it redmanss!


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[sib1948]

I would suggest and ACOG 4X with BDC reticle. Looks and fits the best on that platform. EoTech with 3X mag also good, but bulky. Better yet get a nice bolt rifle and use a 45 cal pistol for your close quarter action!!!

 

[ptosis]

S&B's 1-8x24 PM ShortDot is absolutely fantastic [multiple exclamation marks here], if you have the budget. That's what the Germanz have adopted for their army DMRs, just for the type of use that you are describing.

ELCAN Specter DR 1/6 is fine as well, but personally I did have problems with eye relief on 6x -- too short for comfortable mount. Granted, it was on a SIG 550; AR-type platforms may (or may not) allow for closer mounting.

IOR's 1:4x32 looks totally convincing as well; good optics and exceptional field of view. Got it on order for applications similar to yours (don't have the budget for S&B).

EDIT: a word of caution re: last one -- the illumination of the reticle (contrary to the first two) is not visible by bright sunshine. By me, this is totally ok, as the horseshoe is very quick and intuitive to acquire.

 

[rangeryo]

Run a low power tube scope with a 45 degree mount and a red dot for close quarter work.

Something like this... http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m571/HP_doggie/red_dot1.jpg

 

[GhengisAhn175]

I thought about an aimpoint t-1
Micro canted but ive been told there are other comparable options with lower powered scopes. I think a t-1 would benefit if I had something like a 3-15 vs a 1-10 or below.

Might do it if I can get a decent 3-15 for the extra magnification to stretch out a 762 and know the dope and not have to rely on a bdc.. Better yet find a scope I can swap onto a 556 ar when I need to


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[colt933]

At the moment, I have the Mark 6 1-6 CMR-762 on a SCAR 17 and the Bushnell SMRS 1-6.5 BTR-2 FFP on a 16" blackout AR15.

Both of these scopes will do what you want to do.

The Mark 6 on 1x with the reticle illuminated makes for a slightly better red dot than the SMRS based on the size of the horse shoe in FFP at 1x. And the ballistic reticle is a pretty good match for M118LR from my rifle but not perfect at extreme range.

With the SMRS, I zero at 200 yards with my 125 SST supersonic load and use 3 MILs of holdover with subsonic at 100 yards and 7 at 200 yards - all in the same reticle without touching the knobs. The optics of the Bushnell are as good as the Mark 6 to my tired eyes. However, if you focus the Bushnell's reticle on 6.5x, then it will be a little fuzzy at 1x illuminated and vice versa. I am near-sighted but do not wear glasses when shooting through scopes.

While the Mark 6 has a 34mm tube and the SMRS a 30mm tube, both have 24mm objectives. And with the Mark 6 and this reticle there is no need to make elevation adjustments out to the usable range. So the 34mm tube is kind of pointless, IMHO, in this power range. I bet it makes more sense on the higher power models. So the Mark 6 looks a lot bigger but isn't really bigger in any usable way.

 

[GhengisAhn175]

Colt,

I can't use a bdc but I believe
The mark 6 does come in other reticles which i may be interested in. Currently looking at the bushnell 1-6 and the USO 1-8, although reading jims review of the USO makes me wait a bit. I don't know if the "fisheye"look he's
Referring to will bother me, as I do plan on doing scanning shots


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[BOLTRIPPER]

wow.....just fucking wow...................

if, you are throwing boolets out past 600yd, it gets real tuff to see your misses on 6x or even 8x which is up against the stops in the above mentioned glass.

there is no one piece of gear that will do everything at all times for all applications. if you are looking to do 1st round surgically precise hits at distance....you got to be able to see the target, and any other things such as mirage to help read wind........so get the glass that makes that happen, which typically ain't a short dot.


just sayin

 

[GhengisAhn175]

Bolt tripper,

Goal is for man sized targets. I have the ranges and capabilities to check all my shots.

If I came across this thread as a precision shot I would like to clarify again it's for man sized targets.

I said I would like to have something to dial in at
Distance because it'll be more accurate than a bdc and I would have Time to do so .





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[gohuskers]

Leupold 1-6 with TMR. Have you thought about a TA11-RMR?

 

[GhengisAhn175]

Go huskers,

Decided not to go with trijicon.
I need the optic to be versatile between my service 556 and my personal 762.

Only way I can do that is have a low profile med power optic .

I looked at the leupold but it's a consideration. This Thread was for exposure to other scopes and user responses. Never looked at swfa scopes but now that I have it's a possible contender too!

I'm not sold on burris... For some reason I feel like I can do better Or not confident in quality but that's from lack of experience.


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[alpine44]

Nevermind, I just saw that the OP mentioned "service 556".

If Uncle Sugar would send me humping an M4 into some war zone, I would bet my life on what the German Bundeswehr issued to mountain ranger marksmen during my service days - Hensoldt Fero Z24. Very compact, bomb proof, and of legendary optical and mechanical quality. Available with BDC drums for both 5.56 and 7.62 NATO. There is a reason why used, surplussed Z24 scope still fetch between $500 and $700 on ebay.

The magnification is "only" 4x but the extreme clarity and optical resolution will easily outperform the capabilities of a service rifle. Keep in mind that your effective range is limited by what you mount the scope on. You are not carrying an M24. If you get better than 3 MOA out of your gun and ammo combo, consider yourself lucky.

The Z24 was issued in 3 generations:

1st: straight tube, diopter adjustment, no reticle illumination, solid posts.
2nd: straight tube, diopter adjustment, QD interface for reticle illuminator, sceletonized posts.
3rd: belled tube, NO diopter adjustment, QD interface for reticle illuminator, sceletonized posts.

The attached picture shows a 2nd gen Z24 with a 5.56 round for size comparison.

ARMS makes a QD mount for the STANAG feet of the Z24 and they have revised their QD levers to be adjustable for off-spec picatinny rails.

Add to this some sturdy, canted backup/CQB irons and you are set.

If that is something you would consider, I could shoot the same setup in the upcoming Mason Dixon Sniper match and report the results. Of course, my barrel and ammo is a bit better than GI grade but we would have a good idea about what engagements are feasible. (I am shooting this match to learn and don't care about the final ranking.)

 

[GhengisAhn175]

Thanks alpine!
I have considered that also.. In trying to make this work for my personal and duty weapon. Actually looking to get a set of irons but reading discrepancies, especially for hk irons and how the rail is. Still trying to figure that one out. But not crossed off the list!


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[Preacher69]

I use BOTH a USO 1x8 and 3.2x17 on my SCAR. For your application, I would suggest the USO 1x8S. It will do everything you want and more. I have purchased 4 of them in the last 6+ months. I put one on my girl friend's 5.56 and she loves it. She had an EO-Tech EP on it before. The transition from CQB to mid-range shots is totally do-able with this scope. It is nearly bullet proof and I bet my life on them.

 

[GhengisAhn175]

Preacher, did you experience the same general remarks about the USO 1-8 in regards to the "fisheye look" , "looking through a straw" , etc?

I could understand the second one and it don't know how the fish eye look would bother me.. I couldn't even tell from big Jim fishs pictures.

That particular uso I'm looking hard at if I don't get canted red dot, otherwise also considering a fixed scope.

Wish I could try them all before I buy!.. ?


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[CSTactical]

There are a lot of great 1-6x scopes out there. The Vortex HD 1-6x is hard to beat for the price and the glass is good. I also really like the Leupold MK6 1-6x their glass is very good, the reticles work well for me, and the Locking exposed turret work great. If your looking for the best glass the Kahles or the Swaro is the way to go. If your set on a Trijicon look at the VCOG 1-6x they are very nice scope and the glass also out standing.

If we can be of help let me know.

Mike @ CSTACTICAL

 

[GhengisAhn175]

Thanks mike! Will touch base with vendors when I have it locked down..

Gonna do my research on the 10x fixed ones and that should be it.

So narrowed it down to:

A: a 1-6 scope

B: a 1-8 scope

C: an off set red dot and a fixed 10x power scope.


Each had their pros and cons but at least I have a better idea of what I want. Sfp/Ffp of no matter to me since I would only use scope when I can't hit man sizes targets with a red dot then switch to scope to hit man sized targets up to x00 meters.

Only thing that concerns me now is at what objective mm size is it too obnoxious for a m4?...



There's my example. My bushnell ers on my duty m4... Ugly as fuck and pointless.


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[GhengisAhn175]

Anyone know if there are 10x or 3.5-15 power scopes with an obj lens less than say 40mm?

Most of the 3.5-15 I've seen were at 50mm, wondering if it's possible for something smaller


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[bmt]

I have been down this road and it is an almost impossible problem to solve. The 308 has power and range that can use 10x easily.

In a carbine format with a red dot it can clear rooms handily.

The variables with true 1x at the low and going up to 6x or 8x seem to win.

The only guy I know who has worked with the variables on a 2 way range settled on a Leupold 1.5-5 w/ illumination.

Good Luck,

BMT

 

[ptosis]

Anyone know if there are 10x or 3.5-15 power scopes with an obj lens less than say 40mm?

Most of the 3.5-15 I've seen were at 50mm, wondering if it's possible for something smaller

IOR Valdada Tactical range:
Tactical Scopes - Scopes
There's 1-10x26 and 2-12x36.
Not bad at all.

EDIT: Nightforce NXS 2.5-10x32