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Help me Comprehend Silencer Advice
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This ^^^^^^^^
I have a Nomad L and a TBAC 22L
Happy with both of them
Better ones out there? Maybe, probably.
Are they good enough for me? Yes
The interweb while opening up a great source of information has my old tired brain tripping the overload.
Each person's requirements are slightly to largely different from the person posting next.
With the quick approval times I am considering a dedicated .556 flow through can for my AR's or maybe a .30 cal flow through for AR15 and AR10, see there it goes again
I think I will go to my dealer and see what he has or recommends and can get soon.
If it doesn't ring a bell as having alot of bad reviews, get it and be done.
I appreciate the time and effort some of you guys put into researching all the cans out there and passing along your opinions
I just have too many other project requiring my time.
Thank you for sharing yours.
Mr. A. Suave, your point seems to be, “You’re too stupid/lazy if you cannot understand word-salad guy.”
My point is, “If a regular guy cannot cut through word-salad guy’s needlessly complex writing and self-referential blathering AND his overall point seems inconsequential/unproven AND he has financial conflicts of interest, then I’m going to ignore his findings.”
I assume you are referring to his Hearing Damage Level™ (I shit you not, he apparently trademarked that) found here, entitled SSS.3 - Hearing Effects:
Like this and other pages on his site, while no doubt downright fascinating for the .000000001% of the population (hearing professionals, auditory enthusiasts, select autists), I am unable to determine if his work has been accepted into appropriate academic journals and independently replicated and verified.
Thus, Jay’s glittering bauble is placed upon the dusty shelf of “Interesting unproven ideas” and mainly ignored.
I am open to the possibility that I am wrong and should be paying attention. Or, that I fundamentally do not understand what he is done or discovered.
But thus far I have not been presented with any persuasive arguments as to why I should reconsider my position.
Perhaps you could take the time to painstakingly walk the group through each detail of Jay’s work? It is, after all, something you obviously deeply understand and is of a particular interest of yours.
Oh, the whomping you just gave me! Ow ow
Has it ever occurred to you that a) some people actually limit the reading of Jay’s suppressor Sound Signature Reviews™ long enough to go shoot a sufficient number of rounds to necessitate a cleaning more than once a year (esp. rimfire suppressors) and, b) I might actually own suppressors other than TBAC’s?
And thus have to clean them myself?
And that titanium stands largely alone as ideal to use with a widely recommended cleaner named CLR?
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99% of suppressor recommendations are by people seeking confirmation on their own "life long" purchase.
I disagree. You should really buy a brand new can I’m interested in so I can get an opinion before I decide to buy it.
lol
Ok, I actually agree and that happens not just with suppressors.
Oh yeah, for any confused future suppressor owners that have plowed through to this point, I just remembered my treatise entitled:
The Suppressor Stages of Ownership (SSO):
www.snipershide.com
Addendum 1
www.snipershide.com
Addendum 2
www.snipershide.com
It’s what you’ve got ahead of you
The Suppressor Stages of Ownership (SSO):
HUB to both Tilt Bbl Pistol and Rifle Interface?
Suppressor is both Intermediate (300 Supers, 5.56, 308) and Handgun (9mm) rated. It also has a HUB interface. Does there exist a HUB adapter that will adapt to 9mm tilting barrel handgun (piston, I dont think there is another system that works in this app), and also adapt to non-tilting barrel...
www.snipershide.com
Addendum 1
HUB to both Tilt Bbl Pistol and Rifle Interface?
Suppressor is both Intermediate (300 Supers, 5.56, 308) and Handgun (9mm) rated. It also has a HUB interface. Does there exist a HUB adapter that will adapt to 9mm tilting barrel handgun (piston, I dont think there is another system that works in this app), and also adapt to non-tilting barrel...
www.snipershide.com
Addendum 2
HUB to both Tilt Bbl Pistol and Rifle Interface?
Suppressor is both Intermediate (300 Supers, 5.56, 308) and Handgun (9mm) rated. It also has a HUB interface. Does there exist a HUB adapter that will adapt to 9mm tilting barrel handgun (piston, I dont think there is another system that works in this app), and also adapt to non-tilting barrel...
www.snipershide.com
It’s what you’ve got ahead of you
Shame you can't think/write beyond barfcommer or redditor "insults" that fail to wrestle with my points.
Did you have a rebuttal, little man?
I believe he’s agreeing with you…ego can be boastful (your example, I think) or needful stroking (his example)
And now I’ve somehow grossed myself out lol “stroking”
What other sources or individuals do you typically reference for suppressor shopping, and require the standard of have academic journals and independent verification? The Silencershop blog?
This is "upset highschool girlfriend" levels of moving the goal posts, just to avoid admitting that you're intentionally ignoring data, because you dont like the guy (because the website forum you visit the most told you not to).
If you clean your own cans (like the rest of us do), and as you've said you do too, then the offer to clean a can for you by a manufacturer, which requires sending it out and not having access to it, is irrelevant as a selling point.
Im impressed by your constant references to autism though, as some weird explanation for not understanding technical articles. Very modern. I've heard the kids are all about self-diagnosis and "mental health" now. I recommend you ask chatgpt to "ELI5" if you find a technical article that you feel is "word salad". Its amazing how useful technology is in teaching things to us now.
I have a buddy who works in concrete, couldn't spell Pythagorean if you put a gun to his head, but if you tell him to use the "3-4-5" he'll know exactly what you're talking about. Its really not that difficult to understand things, you just need to make the effort yourself, instead of making stupid excuses about autism.
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If you believe you had a point, worth rebutting, anywhere in that "old man yells at cloud" romanticizing of the 70's and 80s, then there's likely a mesothelioma lawsuit you qualify as a victim of.
Whines about insults, while insulting. Was irony lost in the 70's and 80's for you as well?
Still running pilpul instead of addressing my points, such a spoiled child.
What point did you want to make, child?
It appears Jay/Pew is saying he set a new “standard.” I see no proof that this new standard has been verified to be any better than other standards.
Especially if you’re selling something, as Jay is, then I do not just casually accept arguments coming from the seller’s mouth, however logical they may appear.
This applies even if some or all of the info is free. If it’s all free, you’re mainly using only your reputation as proof of your premise.
It’s amusing you think I cannot understand Jay’s website. Up to now, I just didn’t think it was worth my time. Girding my loins, I entered the Maze of Pew and looked at:
SSS.1 - Main Page
SSS.2 - Methodology Introduction
SSS.3 - Hearing Effects
SSS.4 - Test Method and Results
SSS.5 - Suppression Rating™
Here’s a short take (realize I have probably made mistakes):
TL;DR JAY/PEW RECIPE
Mince on a clean cutting board:- 1 gov standard hearing model (AHAAH*, no ear pro!)
- 2 sound measurements (one perhaps proprietarily measured/scaled?)*†
Now you have a fresh ARU** seasoning!
- mix ARU with PEWSOFT computerized blender until…soft. Really pewsoft.
So fresh!! It’s now called HDL†…using spoon, scoop some out!!
- plop dollop of HDL dough onto well-greased baking sheet. Place into PEWSOFT computerized oven and bake at 6000°F for one week
- make it two weeks!
- while baking, assemble proprietary shot dose scale†† with included Lincoln Logs™
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Out pops your beautiful shot dose single number Suppression Rating‡…but hurry! We do hope you’ve already set your table for your wonderful unprotected-ear guests!!!
Why! The Rating stays fresh for only 1 day a week for unprotected and ready-to-be-shocked ears! We’re not even sure how ear protection factors in!
*The model is the Army’s AHAAH warned-about-the-shot (vs. unwarned) unprotected ear model
*†Peak dB and sound pressure over time (dB-ms)
**ARU (Auditory Risk Unit); Jay describes it as, “relatively accurate, established, peer reviewed (sic), and present in MIL-STD 1474-E.” I am unclear if Jay created this or if it’s an industry-standard term and what, scientifically/practically, the term “relatively” means/implies.
†HLD = Hearing Damage Level, a PEWSOFT proprietary calculated number
††Proprietary shot dose scale created using 24hrs, once/week, shooter & bystander composite inputs
‡To Jay’s credit, the Rating is broken down into bits elsewhere in the data from each suppressor test, so a shooter could see what is his suppressor’s ear or muzzle Rating
I am rather exhausted after parsing roughly 5,358 words located within a sprawling Byzantine-like construction into a hopefully understandable and simple 120-ish words (sans disclaimers/headline, but including jokes).
About 245 words with everything.
That’s about 21x less verbiage. And with the proprietary stuff hopefully correctly identified.
As you can see, there seem to be some proprietary calculations and scales/charts happening. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m no scientist, that’s for sure. Realize this is waaaayyy out of my wheelhouse.
Jay’s analysis seems of limited utility for someone who wears ear protection, often doubled up. For example, how does a NRR 32 earmuff affect the Rating? What if I shoot 4 days a week? No idea. Someone help me out here.
Your other strange points are obviously geared to provoke an unsavory response.
Let’s just say that manufacturers probably clean cans better than I could (better tools, fixtures, etc), and there’s nothing wrong with being autistic. Zeus knows, many are geniuses.
The problem occurs when said autist cannot understand why people make fun of him/her, and don’t seriously recalibrate their mouth to attempt to effectively communicate with the bulk of the world.
Of course, if that’s what they really want; to be broadly understood. If not, well, so be it.
You’ve seen what happens.
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I think I remember @GRIFFIN_ARMAMENT (Austin) saying it was around $10K? Coulda been on here or arfcom, can’t remember.
On this sunny Friday afternoon, after reading Jay’s five thousand, three hundred and fifty-eight word treatise on his methodology, if I don’t deserve a Beer Friday then I don’t know who does. 
For comparison, the entire collected works of Edgar Allen Poe (Raven ed.) amount to 3,971 words.
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.
For comparison, the entire collected works of Edgar Allen Poe (Raven ed.) amount to 3,971 words.
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.
If you're already confused between thinking you made a point, and arguing about someone else doing so, you might need to get your meds checked.
The irony is hilarious there, a guy talking about using data in selfish ways.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1421365/ It wasnt until the end of the 70's that lead paint was even illegal here, yet the research for it had been available for over 50 years and already banned by other countries.
Looks like the repeat exposure to it has already had an effect on your ability to think clearly. Or maybe you learned the ability to ignore data back then, relying on what you believed to be informed analysis.
If you're upset that more information exists to inform the consumer shopping for this stuff, thats ok too. Nobody forces you to use it. You dont have to get your panties in a bunch when others choose to do so. Unless you're paying for it, why are you upset about what someone else buys?
I believe you may need a one Bourbon, One Scotch, one one beer. Repeat as needed to cleanse you soul, or for get you ever saw the mess.On this sunny Friday afternoon, after reading Jay’s five thousand, three hundred and fifty-eight word treatise on his methodology, if I don’t deserve a Beer Friday then I don’t know who does.
For comparison, the entire collected works of Edgar Allen Poe (Raven ed.) amount to 3,971 words.
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.
Thanks for repeating the obvious point ad ad nauseam. Information exists, yet you're lacking in the understand to comprehend it. If the collected works of edgar allen poe influenced my decision when I went to spend $1500 for a supressor, I'd begin to give a shit about your example. Unfortunately, they dont.On this sunny Friday afternoon, after reading Jay’s five thousand, three hundred and fifty-eight word treatise on his methodology, if I don’t deserve a Beer Friday then I don’t know who does.
For comparison, the entire collected works of Edgar Allen Poe (Raven ed.) amount to 3,971 words.
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.
Here, I did you a solid though.
Explaining suppression rating, methodology used
Chatgpt prompt: please summarize the following test methodology as if you're explaining it to either a 5 year old, or an imbecile
Imagine you have a toy that makes loud noises, and you want to know how quiet you can make it with a special silencer. The PEW Science Suppression Rating is like a score that tells you how quiet the toy gets with the silencer on. Here's how it works:
- Loudness at Two Spots: It checks how loud the toy is right where the noise comes out and where you are standing.
- How Long the Noise Lasts: It also looks at how long the noise lasts in both places.
- Hearing Safety: The score tells you if the noise can hurt your ears or the ears of people nearby.
- Silencer Match: It checks how well the silencer works with your specific toy.
- Overall Quietness: It measures how quiet the toy gets, which is important for keeping your ears safe.
Further explanation on the test methods and results:
Imagine you have a bunch of toy guns and you want to know how loud they are when you play with them and how safe they are for your ears. Here's how we figure that out:
- Special Microphones: We use special microphones to measure the loudness. We put one near where the toy makes noise (the muzzle), one near your ear, and sometimes a few others in different spots.
- Different Toy Guns: We try lots of different toy guns with and without the silencer (the quiet maker). We shoot them from the same height off the ground and measure the noise.
- Five Shots: We shoot each toy gun five times to get good data, doing this inside and outside to see how different places affect the noise.
- Fancy Computer Tool: We use a special computer tool (PEW-SOFT) to understand all the noises from the microphones. It helps us know how loud each shot is and if it can hurt your ears.
- Safe and Not Safe: We look at the data and figure out how many times you can shoot each toy gun without hurting your ears. We make colorful charts that show this information.
- Different Spots, Different Noise: The noise near the toy and near your ear is different, so we look at both spots. This helps us know how safe it is for you and anyone nearby.
- Growing Data: We keep testing more toy guns and silencers, so our data gets better and more accurate over time.
- Hearing Damage Levels: We create special charts (Hearing Damage Levels) that show how many times you can shoot each toy gun without permanent ear damage, both near the toy and near your ear.
Less than 600 words. Enjoy. Should be "minimally-autistic" and easy to digest, even in your case.
It’s too bad you don’t seem to have a sense of humor or wish to engage constructively with, well, pretty much everyone here.Thanks for repeating the obvious point ad ad nauseam. Information exists, yet you're lacking in the understand to comprehend it. If the collected works of edgar allen poe affected me every time I went to spend $1500 for a supressor, I'd begin to give a shit about your example. Unfortunately, they dont.
Here, I did you a solid though.
Explaining suppression rating, methodology used
Chatgpt prompt: please summarize the following test methodology as if you're explaining it to either a 5 year old, or an imbecile
Imagine you have a toy that makes loud noises, and you want to know how quiet you can make it with a special silencer. The PEW Science Suppression Rating is like a score that tells you how quiet the toy gets with the silencer on. Here's how it works:
The score goes from 0 to 100. A score of 0 means it's super loud and can hurt your ears, and 100 means it's super quiet and safe. This score helps everyone understand how well the silencer works to make the toy quieter and safer to use.
- Loudness at Two Spots: It checks how loud the toy is right where the noise comes out and where you are standing.
- How Long the Noise Lasts: It also looks at how long the noise lasts in both places.
- Hearing Safety: The score tells you if the noise can hurt your ears or the ears of people nearby.
- Silencer Match: It checks how well the silencer works with your specific toy.
- Overall Quietness: It measures how quiet the toy gets, which is important for keeping your ears safe.
Further explanation on the test methods and results:
Imagine you have a bunch of toy guns and you want to know how loud they are when you play with them and how safe they are for your ears. Here's how we figure that out:
So, in short, we shoot toy guns, measure the noise in different places, and use fancy tools to make sure it's safe for your ears. The charts help us see which silencers work best to keep things quiet and safe.
- Special Microphones: We use special microphones to measure the loudness. We put one near where the toy makes noise (the muzzle), one near your ear, and sometimes a few others in different spots.
- Different Toy Guns: We try lots of different toy guns with and without the silencer (the quiet maker). We shoot them from the same height off the ground and measure the noise.
- Five Shots: We shoot each toy gun five times to get good data, doing this inside and outside to see how different places affect the noise.
- Fancy Computer Tool: We use a special computer tool (PEW-SOFT) to understand all the noises from the microphones. It helps us know how loud each shot is and if it can hurt your ears.
- Safe and Not Safe: We look at the data and figure out how many times you can shoot each toy gun without hurting your ears. We make colorful charts that show this information.
- Different Spots, Different Noise: The noise near the toy and near your ear is different, so we look at both spots. This helps us know how safe it is for you and anyone nearby.
- Growing Data: We keep testing more toy guns and silencers, so our data gets better and more accurate over time.
- Hearing Damage Levels: We create special charts (Hearing Damage Levels) that show how many times you can shoot each toy gun without permanent ear damage, both near the toy and near your ear.
Less than 600 words. Enjoy. Should be "minimally-autistic" and easy to digest, even in your case.
Toodles
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My one observation about you is based on the hyperbola filled attack on anyone who does not share you views and your use of sarcasm in the place of simple details and proven research. My observations are based on over 3 decades of dealing with insecure, less than capable people trying to impress senior leaders. But regardless of these observation Please go upstairs and give your mom a big hug.Thanks for repeating the obvious point ad ad nauseam. Information exists, yet you're lacking in the understand to comprehend it. If the collected works of edgar allen poe influenced my decision when I went to spend $1500 for a supressor, I'd begin to give a shit about your example. Unfortunately, they dont.
Here, I did you a solid though.
Explaining suppression rating, methodology used
Chatgpt prompt: please summarize the following test methodology as if you're explaining it to either a 5 year old, or an imbecile
Imagine you have a toy that makes loud noises, and you want to know how quiet you can make it with a special silencer. The PEW Science Suppression Rating is like a score that tells you how quiet the toy gets with the silencer on. Here's how it works:
The score goes from 0 to 100. A score of 0 means it's super loud and can hurt your ears, and 100 means it's super quiet and safe. This score helps everyone understand how well the silencer works to make the toy quieter and safer to use.
- Loudness at Two Spots: It checks how loud the toy is right where the noise comes out and where you are standing.
- How Long the Noise Lasts: It also looks at how long the noise lasts in both places.
- Hearing Safety: The score tells you if the noise can hurt your ears or the ears of people nearby.
- Silencer Match: It checks how well the silencer works with your specific toy.
- Overall Quietness: It measures how quiet the toy gets, which is important for keeping your ears safe.
Further explanation on the test methods and results:
Imagine you have a bunch of toy guns and you want to know how loud they are when you play with them and how safe they are for your ears. Here's how we figure that out:
So, in short, we shoot toy guns, measure the noise in different places, and use fancy tools to make sure it's safe for your ears. The charts help us see which silencers work best to keep things quiet and safe.
- Special Microphones: We use special microphones to measure the loudness. We put one near where the toy makes noise (the muzzle), one near your ear, and sometimes a few others in different spots.
- Different Toy Guns: We try lots of different toy guns with and without the silencer (the quiet maker). We shoot them from the same height off the ground and measure the noise.
- Five Shots: We shoot each toy gun five times to get good data, doing this inside and outside to see how different places affect the noise.
- Fancy Computer Tool: We use a special computer tool (PEW-SOFT) to understand all the noises from the microphones. It helps us know how loud each shot is and if it can hurt your ears.
- Safe and Not Safe: We look at the data and figure out how many times you can shoot each toy gun without hurting your ears. We make colorful charts that show this information.
- Different Spots, Different Noise: The noise near the toy and near your ear is different, so we look at both spots. This helps us know how safe it is for you and anyone nearby.
- Growing Data: We keep testing more toy guns and silencers, so our data gets better and more accurate over time.
- Hearing Damage Levels: We create special charts (Hearing Damage Levels) that show how many times you can shoot each toy gun without permanent ear damage, both near the toy and near your ear.
Less than 600 words. Enjoy. Should be "minimally-autistic" and easy to digest, even in your case.
You win the progressive/leftist BINGO card lottery for the day. (1) Over-wordy. (2) Pointless polysyllabics. (3) Massive self-impression. (4) Confirmation Bias extraordinaire. (5) Absolute dearth of humility. (6) Inability to recognize your superiors, while assuming they all are your inferiors (redundant on nos 3 and 5 perhaps here).
If you think you are debating me, think again.
If you think you "taught me a lesson," rethink yet again.
If you admit you have more to learn than previously suggested, maybe I'll consider you are growing up.
Your posts on barfcom are equally as smug as these. Juvenile megalomania is a tough thing to conquer, I guess.
The entire collected works of Poe vastly exceed your stupid claim.On this sunny Friday afternoon, after reading Jay’s five thousand, three hundred and fifty-eight word treatise on his methodology, if I don’t deserve a Beer Friday then I don’t know who does.
For comparison, the entire collected works of Edgar Allen Poe (Raven ed.) amount to 3,971 words.
Perhaps his poetry only reached that total. Poe wrote story stories, novels and poetry.
Probably any of his shorts exceeded 3,971 words.
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Honestly, they're metal tubes with some baffles in them. That it is some special NFA bullshit is just that.
If they were over the counter they would cost $30, with no theft from Uncle Stupid.
If they were over the counter they would cost $30, with no theft from Uncle Stupid.
On this sunny Friday afternoon, after reading Jay’s five thousand, three hundred and fifty-eight word treatise on his methodology, if I don’t deserve a Beer Friday then I don’t know who does.
For comparison, the entire collected works of Edgar Allen Poe (Raven ed.) amount to 3,971 words.
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.
You had better not be complaining about Edgar Allen Poe . . .
My two little kids got me a coffee cup for Fathers Day with a short quote from The Raven on it . . .
My little girl (10) asked me not to finish that poem with her or she would not "be able to sleep." Both she and her 7 year old brother made it through The Tale Tell Heart but said it was "creepy." I'm going to wait a few years before The Cask of Amontillado is introduced to them, or, gasp, The Black Cat, because my little girl loves cats.
Old Eddie Poe, poor guy lived a lousy young adulthood and died pretty early. Wrote some great things. The sorts of things that entertained my young kid mind and still are good to read now, as an old man. Eddie was an old soul and maybe burned all his energy too quickly. Too much booze can do that to a guy.
My word, good man, no criticism of Mr. Poe shall pass from my lips!
The Poe story that has stuck with me…
I'm going to make a lead can using asbestos as a damper. It will be loud but at least it will be heavy and cancerous.
That PTR Vent 3 seems pretty neat, but it's $1500.
Why, I do believe you are correct, and yes, perhaps the numbers are about just his poetry. I was just going by the links I dug up.
Jay, however, still is an extremely garrulous communicator
If I’ve offended you, I offer my apologies.
Alot of engineering goes into shaving a Db or two off a design. A tube with baffles will work. There's nothing black box in a suppressor. Extremely simple to make if it wasn't a federal felony to do so without a license to Mfg. Now, are the $1000 ones alot nicer than I could machine? Yes.
An auto-sere is also a small piece of metal, and maybe adds $15 to the value of a rifle. Yet, $30K for an M-16... Rulz.
You think there's more magic in an auto-sere?
The market is the market.
My favorite is not so popular, but I love it, the language, everything. I have sections of it memorized, not on purpose, but just because the language is so beautiful.
I wish I could write like that.
The Masque of The Red Death
I think Poe is responsible for single handedly increasing my vocabulary when I was younger more than any other potential cause. Where else would I have run across the word "habiliments?" as in "shrouded from head to foot in the habiliments of the grave . . ."
5.56 is quiet enough to be hearing safe when you are shooting it with a Dead Air?
Stupid newb statement here, but I did not realize that there were any truly hearing safe 5.56 silencers - the ones I have heard at the range are surprisingly loud and definitely not hearing safe.
My ears ring enough already . . .
I have shot plenty of very quiet 9mm and .22 lr silencers.
Are there quiet, hearing safe 5.56 silencers available?
My ears ring enough already . . .
I have shot plenty of very quiet 9mm and .22 lr silencers.
Are there quiet, hearing safe 5.56 silencers available?
There's true hearing safe, 70 dba and below, and "It don't hurt mah ears so it's hearing safe." Short answer: no.
I have tempted the hearing fates too long walking around Running Jet Engines, Roaring Racing Engines and shooting. I am sure I have lost a bunch, but I know I still have the best parts to lose. Always wear Ear Protection!
70 dba is a lot lower than we think. Just driving with your windows down can do it.
Current and former Jeep, motorcycle, and boat owners would agree! For example, wind noise on the highway, especially without a helmet or earplugs, is definitely not good for hearing. Especially over longer periods.
Yep, as a former Jeep owner, boat owner, and carpenter running saws all day, I agree with your statement.
My left ear, which has spent nearly 50 years of driving with a lowered driver's side window, has more muffled sensitivity than my right ear. Both have tinnitus but the left one is also muffled. It's more the persistence than the absolute loudness perceived, I think, when it comes to what can damage your hearing.
My stepdad flew planes his whole life, USAF then instructor with USAF then some active duty then private business pilot. His hearing, from being around aircraft engines both in-cabin and outside, was shot by his mid-50s. He learned to lip-read rather than get hearing aids, for about 20 yrs at least. Aircraft engines are loud whether combustion cylinder or jet, and inside the craft there are vibrations/frequencies you would not encounter except for those engines attached.
I finally got the .22 silencer. A frustrating process. They send them to local representatives who then mail them to buyers, signature required. I had no idea I would have to sign anything, so when the box arrived, my gate was closed.
Told the USPS to bring it after the weekend. Then the tracking info froze for 6 days. Had to leave the gate open for days. I called the USPS, and they said they would get on it. Gave me the number of the local main branch so I could keep track. Of course, nothing happened. Called the number, and the phone rang many times before I was disconnected.
Tried to use the USPS website to change delivery instructions to hold it at the branch. The site said no changes were allowed.
Drove to the branch. The box was there, but the tracking number was wrong. Not the same number I got from Silencer Central. The lady at the counter had to go by my address. I guess they would have sent it back if I hadn't taken a long drive.
I was disturbed to see it was only insured for $100. I wondered what happened when the government lost silencers. I don't see a serial number on the stamp, so I guess they could send a new one, but I don't know. Maybe the low insurance cost is a reflection of the low cost of making silencers.
Tried the silencer out back with high-velocity rounds. I knew it wouldn't be like a Hollywood silencer, but it was still pretty loud compared to my expectations. Nothing like the suppressed high-powered rifles I've heard, though.
A Banish 30 has been ordered. They told me applications were flying. Individuals in a week. Trusts in a week to a few months.
Told the USPS to bring it after the weekend. Then the tracking info froze for 6 days. Had to leave the gate open for days. I called the USPS, and they said they would get on it. Gave me the number of the local main branch so I could keep track. Of course, nothing happened. Called the number, and the phone rang many times before I was disconnected.
Tried to use the USPS website to change delivery instructions to hold it at the branch. The site said no changes were allowed.
Drove to the branch. The box was there, but the tracking number was wrong. Not the same number I got from Silencer Central. The lady at the counter had to go by my address. I guess they would have sent it back if I hadn't taken a long drive.
I was disturbed to see it was only insured for $100. I wondered what happened when the government lost silencers. I don't see a serial number on the stamp, so I guess they could send a new one, but I don't know. Maybe the low insurance cost is a reflection of the low cost of making silencers.
Tried the silencer out back with high-velocity rounds. I knew it wouldn't be like a Hollywood silencer, but it was still pretty loud compared to my expectations. Nothing like the suppressed high-powered rifles I've heard, though.
A Banish 30 has been ordered. They told me applications were flying. Individuals in a week. Trusts in a week to a few months.
I wasn't even aware you could get one without receiving it in person from the NFA dealer!?!?!?!?
It is because you used high velocity rounds. for Hollywood quiet you must use sub-sonic rounds. It will still make things quieter, but it will not be super quiet.
Yeah, the longer the barrel and the longer the silencer, the quieter the report is. Suppressor diameter makes a smaller (relative) difference than length.
And as others have said, no supersonic ammo will be really quiet. You cannot eliminate the supersonic crack, which occurs all the way to the target…or at least until the bullet goes transonic as it falls under the speed of sound.
That’s why it is wise to wear ear pro when shooting with a suppressor with supers. You will slowly lose hearing if you don’t.
I wear ear pro even with subs, but hey, to each their own. I have enough ear problems.
With rimfire subsonic ammo, I like the stuff just under the sound barrier. If you get the really quiet stuff, like CCI quiet at ~770 fps, that stuff is like shooting artillery and travels as fast a weaker pellet gun. Limited utility.
My main rimfire ammo is at 1050fps or so. CCI Standard is listed at 1070fps, which is still usually subsonic. The colder the air, the lower the speed of sound and you might get a crack anyway in cold temps with nominally subsonic ammo.
The limited research I’ve read indicates that air temp, not elevation or air pressure, is the main factor as to when you’ll get a crack or not. At least, if you’re not a physics professor?
Note that I’m not talking about ballistics! Elevation and other factors definitely come into play there.
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Is Standard Velocity Ammunition Subsonic?
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subs going supersonic in cold weather
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I’m no scientist, so I could be wrong about the speed of sound stuff. I probably am.
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