Rifle Scopes Help me decide between fixed or variable

TKellogg

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I'm in the market for another scope. My problem is I can't decide if I want a fixed power or variable power. With my variable power scopes I tend to set it at max and leave it. I mainly shoot at paper and prairie dogs. I'm looking at Nightforce, IOR, USO most anything under 1700. The USO ST-17 and the IOR 16x42 look good to me but the Nightforce with 22x would be nice. The USO ST-22 is an option but I don't know...Can someone help me decide so I can get some sleep, LOL.
 
Re: Help me decide between fixed or variable

I don't know why you would'nt get the variable if you had to choose, but thats just me. I think USO is the only mfr you have listed that even offers a fixed power model.
 
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Strongly suggest you get a variable power scope, it will be much more flexible if you ever decide to do any type of hunting or close up shooting.
 
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With the quality of variables available today I don't understand why anyone would even consider a fixed power scope. As the other has mentioned the adjustment allows more versitility.

My 12-42X56 Nightforce allows easy use from 50 yards on out with pleanty of sight picture around the target.
 
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My trouble is no kind of hunting other than PD will be done with this rifle. Also I don't plan on shooting under 400m with this rifle I've got others for less than that and slightly over. Back to the internet search....
 
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If you did go with a fixed power I would go with US Optics. Its really cool being able to pick between all the different options and configure a scope. Between NF and IOR I would go NF unless you were getting FFP with the IOR for the same price as the NF.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tkellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm kind of leaning toward fixed power over variable just because I can get more scope for the money. 16x or 17x would be just about perfect I think</div></div>

Perfect till you try shooting through mirage....better look at 10X. PLENTY of power to 1k and beyond....An USO ST10 would be perfect.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tkellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have an IOR 2.5-10x42 and love it but need more power...I thought about it more and I'm just going to take the plunge and get a Nightforce</div></div>

You should definitely do it and sell me the IOR.
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Never seen mirage so bad that a fixed 16 would be unusable. Every spotting scope I've owned has had 20x on the bottom, and mirage is never an issue with those until you get well above 30x.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kombar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never seen mirage so bad that a fixed 16 would be unusable. Every spotting scope I've owned has had 20x on the bottom, and mirage is never an issue with those until you get well above 30x.</div></div>

It does happen. Rolling mirage at my location has rendered spotting scopes all but useless. Not all the time though....just informing you of potential adverse conditions you may encounter. I'd hate to see you buy an optic and be unsatisfied with it's performance.
 
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It's true what the others say. Variable quality has come a long way and is no longer a factor, except in theory. For example, a NF or USO. Have you seen any of the torture tests? The claim that variables are fragile is obsolete. However, in theory - a fixed of the same build quality would be even better, since as always, less parts and less moving parts is more reliable. But it's moot, since how much extra durability will one need when existing high end, tactical grade variables can be used as a hammer to drive nails or stakes? Or being dropped from heights that makes one cringe to watch. They survive, and do not lose zero.

On the low end, the fixed is still better - but you're not concerned with lower end optics.


There's the issue of optical quality. Fixed scopes, again in theory, will be brighter and clearer. Each lens reduces the amount of light transmitted through the scope and variables have more lenses. Particularly, lenses that move which makes matters worse. Which is why they are so expensive. High end scopes cost so much due to the precision tubes, threading and alignment of everything. The super precise fit - to eliminate or minimize unwanted movement which distorts the image quality, as well as the repeatability of the optic.


However, all that said - the glass on high end variable scopes is so very good, and they are made with such precision that it is tough to see the difference. It becomes moot. Can you benefit from the difference is the difference is too fine to discriminate?


You mentioned your budget of around $1,700....I would say NightForce for variable, and if you want a fixed - then the S&B PMII 10x. That thing is the creme de la crop of fixed scopes. I don't think there exists a better one. Just know that it has a fixed parallax setting of 300 meters. Which is brilliant on the part of S&B. It's excellent as it makes parallax a moot issue across the entire effective range of rifle cartridges like the .308 Winchester within the 1,000 yard realm, which also corresponds with the practicality of 10x magnification. One less thing to fiddle with. Very practical. However, the poseur with the safe-queen who never shoots past 100 yards will hate the lack of a side focus or parallax adjustment because shooting tiny groups at 100 yards will be difficult to do without a perfect stock weld and the image will not be the clearest it can be.


That is why it always ends up being a question of versatility. The variable gives you more options. Even if you leave it on maximum magnification all the time, you have the choice and thus the option. With the fixed, there is no option.


While I personally love fixed power scopes, the practical usefulness of variables trumps the fixed scope's slight advantages. In practical shooting situations, one may need to make shots at closer range, and having 10x is ridiculous inside of 200 meters at the expense of field of view which is the trade off. Field of view is important, since you can better track movers on lower power, and you have far greater situational awareness since you can see more of the downrange field through the scope.


With a 10x, you're stuck with 10x and it is difficult to use at short range, where things move faster relative to you. A NF with a 3.5 or 5.5 low end is much more useful. Especially 3.5x. Buying a fixed power, you assume that your targets will always be at extended ranges. If that holds true, the variable isn't needed. However, if that assumption proves wrong - which it often does in tactical or hunting applications, the fixed power scope will be a crippling limitation.


Better to have and not need, than need and not have.
 
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If you can afford a variable like the NF3-15 w/10mil turrets, IOR 3-18x50, Razor HD, USO then I would get one of those instead. The extra features are worth it. I love my IOR 3-18 and won't be selling it anytime soon unless it's to get another one or upgrade to another variable FFP style scope.

Fixed power scopes like those are great if you don't have a ton of money and want a sturdy, clear scope but they aren't very flexible and the knobs don't match the reticle on most. So if that's what you're looking for the 16X IOR is a screaming good deal. The IOR's have steel tubes, great reticles and great glass.

Also if you decide to sell your IOR 2.5-10 (I wouldn't if it works, odds are in the future you'll have another rifle to put it on) pm me I've been looking for one depending on the model.
 
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if your just going to pdog hunt and paper then take a look at
the new bushnell 6x24 tactical line . under a grand , plenty of
adjustment and really good glass
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tkellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks all for the great advice. I've went with the NF 5.5-22 and can't wait to get started</div></div>

That was a great choice! You'll enjoy it for many years to come.
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I really looked hard at a 10X S&B or USO, but use with NV (PVS-22) pretty much made me go with a variable.
One more thing to consider.